00:00On the Wise Heart Right, we make it right.
00:01Call Cow Right Hotline, Emery Hunt, CBS Sports Football Analyst.
00:06We're going to say years from now, we knew him back when.
00:09He is blowing up.
00:11He is terrific.
00:12His scouting and his analysis, sometimes we get into it with him,
00:15which makes it even better.
00:16Emery, welcome to the show.
00:18Just have to punch Emery up.
00:20What's going on, Emery?
00:21How you doing?
00:23I'm doing fine, guys.
00:25Appreciate y'all having me out.
00:26All right, Emery, were you as surprised as most of Cleveland
00:30with what went down down in Tampa Bay?
00:32It was supposed to be the revenge game for Baker Mayfield,
00:36and instead we left that game saying,
00:39how many games is Deshaun Watson actually going to start this year?
00:42Yeah, I was kind of surprised, man.
00:44I watched that game on the flight back from Springfield, Missouri,
00:48so thank God for the Starlink internet access.
00:52I was able to catch the first half before you had that three-hour delay.
00:55But it was impressive, man, to see him move the ball down the field.
00:58What stood out to me the most is that with how fast Tampa marched
01:03down the field in the beginning, the Browns marched down the field,
01:06Tampa responded, then the Browns responded.
01:08So that right there in and of itself impressed me.
01:11And there was a glimpse, maybe one throw in particular from Watson
01:15that I saw early in that game where he kind of just ripped it.
01:18And it was that old school Deshaun Watson where he just let it go.
01:23He wasn't hesitant about the arm, wasn't hesitant about whether or not
01:27he can get it there.
01:28He just let it go.
01:28And it was an intermediate throw, I want to say, to Fannin.
01:32And I was like, okay, that's a good sign.
01:34And then to play in the fishing game the rest of the way and made the plays
01:38that were there to be made.
01:40So it was overall a very good performance for Watson.
01:43Well, you said old school, he just ripped it.
01:46Fans here don't even believe there was an old school now.
01:48It's been four years of bad training camp and preseason.
01:53Didn't really do anything, even though he won the competition.
01:56He really didn't do anything to inspire fans to think he was going to play great.
02:01And then he had a huge drive, 8-9, marched him down the field
02:04for a go-ahead score as well.
02:06And the question is, how sustainable is any of that?
02:10Because we see even bad quarterbacks have a good week.
02:12Is there something here with Todd Munkin and these young receivers
02:15that you think we could see more of down the road?
02:19Well, I've said before that the small ball approach can work.
02:23The problem is when teams start to take away the short routes
02:27or you run up against a team that can actually tackle,
02:30it puts a lot of strain.
02:31You're going to have to hit plays deep down the field.
02:33And there was one play in particular.
02:34Now, granted, this was in concert with the offensive line
02:37not getting the best protection.
02:39But it was a play where Watson scrambled up for about two yards,
02:43so he mitigated the loss by taking a positive gain.
02:46But, man, Jerry Judy or whoever that was was running a deep overall,
02:49and he was wide open.
02:51And if he had just a half second more
02:53and would have let it go deep down the field,
02:56that's a huge chunk play.
02:58So those are the type of plays that are going to have to be made
03:01when teams start taking away the short stuff
03:03or starting to heat up a little bit of pressure.
03:05But on top of that, if you're going to play small ball,
03:08the one aspect that hasn't been shown the first two weeks
03:12that they have to get going,
03:13they're going to have to be able to run the football.
03:15Because Watson can't be your leading rusher.
03:17This is the same thing we said last year
03:19when Shadour Sanders was starting and he led the team in rushing.
03:23That can't be the case.
03:24You have to get production out of the run game.
03:27And a lot of that, to be completely fair and honest,
03:30is tied to a team's ability to throw the football vertically down the field
03:35because that alleviates a lot of that pressure off the box.
03:38Emery Hunt joining us, CBS Sports Football Analyst.
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03:42Okay, the Jerry Judy thing.
03:44I'm going to get back to the quarterback stuff.
03:45It's great stuff.
03:45Jerry Judy, do we have a problem with him?
03:48I don't know, man.
03:50Receivers are fickle, man.
03:51We've seen this since Ben.
03:53You know, you can go all the way back to the ice bowl
03:56where the late, great Bob Hayes is running routes
03:59with his hands in his pants because he was cold out.
04:01Like, bro, everybody cold.
04:02Like, you know what I'm saying?
04:03You can't be the only cold dude out there, right?
04:05So we've seen fickle play from receivers.
04:07I still feel like Jerry Judy provides enough pop
04:11to where it kind of counterbalances what you see from Boston
04:15and the Concepcion.
04:16But if you're able to get Isaiah Bond a little bit more involved
04:20and now you have the three young guys at wide receiver
04:22that does put a big spotlight on Judy.
04:25Like, hey, man, maybe you are expendable
04:28and they can find a way to get assets for him.
04:31But right now, until Bond becomes more involved in the offense,
04:36but the thing is with Bond, he's your deep threat.
04:39But if you're not pushing the ball deep down the field,
04:41then that nullifies his greatest asset,
04:44which is an issue, in my opinion,
04:46that's kind of handicapping this offense.
04:48What are your thoughts on,
04:50I mean, I'm sure they're positive,
04:51but Casey Concepcion and especially Denzel Boston
04:54over the first couple of games?
04:56Oh, listen, you talk about my number one X
04:59and my number two Z receiver.
05:01So obviously I love those guys as prospects.
05:04And what I love the most about Concepcion,
05:06sick targets, sick catches.
05:08So the thoughts of the drops
05:11and he has two wrists out there with no hands attached to him,
05:15all of that never made sense to me anyway
05:17because you watch him at A&M.
05:19Yes, he had some concentration drops,
05:21but you saw a guy that gave Matt some effort
05:23to catch the football,
05:25whether he had to go up top and win above the rim or not.
05:27He was trying to make the play.
05:29And for Denzel Boston, I always found it fascinating
05:32because, and you guys remember this,
05:34I've talked about this during the whole draft process,
05:35where he's a guy that can win short,
05:37intermediate, and deeper down the field.
05:39But I felt like folks in the draft community
05:42was talking about him as if he was slow as molasses.
05:46But at the end of the day, watching the tape at Washington,
05:48you saw a guy that was able to break a tackle
05:51and do things like he did last week at Tampa Bay.
05:54That was littered all across the tape at Washington.
05:59Emory Hunt, also CBS HQ, join us on the hotline.
06:02I know a lot of the Browns' analysis this year from anybody,
06:05including you, probably factored in Shador Sanders at some point.
06:10But let's just go based on what we've seen so far.
06:13Have you changed your mind at all?
06:15They've been blown out once.
06:16And the second game, they were massive underdogs
06:18to go on the road and win.
06:19And have you changed anything you've thought about this football team
06:23and Todd Munkin through two games?
06:25Not at all.
06:26Because if you guys remember the clip,
06:28obviously this was me saying this with Shador Sanders in mind as a starter.
06:32But when the schedule came out, we were in studio,
06:35and obviously they had a rapid reaction,
06:38break down the schedule, give us wins and losses.
06:40And I said, the Browns could start 3-1 on the season.
06:44Now, we're two games in, and they're 1-1.
06:48So that prediction is still in play.
06:53But I still feel like Shador Sanders lifts the ceiling higher
06:57with this football team, with this particular offense.
07:00Just go back to what I talked about with the passing game.
07:02Once you invite the deep ball in play,
07:05the run game becomes a lot easier to find lanes.
07:09So if Watson can continue to play like he did last week,
07:13and what I love about what he did last week
07:16was that the confidence is contagious.
07:18So once you start making plays, you start to feel like,
07:21oh, I can make more plays.
07:22And if he comes out against Carolina
07:25and is able to build on what he did in Tampa
07:28in terms of just seeing it and throwing it
07:29and getting rid of the football and protecting the ball
07:32and just moving the offense down the field,
07:34giving his defense time to really rest,
07:36get acclimated to what the other team is doing,
07:38and get stopped,
07:39then yeah, you like the fact that he can stack positive performances.
07:43But with Sanders back there,
07:45I do feel like that involves a deep passing game.
07:49You'll see more explosive plays,
07:50which then could even put you in a situation
07:52where you're not trying to battle to hold on to a lead.
07:55You know what I mean?
07:56Could another week or two be good for Shador Sanders
07:58before he takes over the reins?
07:59I know that's awful presumptuous.
08:01I just, I gotta put a timestamp somewhere.
08:05I will, I'll say this, Ken, like,
08:08and I'm glad you asked that question
08:10because it ties into what we had to talk about last night
08:13on CBS Sports HQ in terms of the Giants
08:17and who can be the backup quarterback, blah, blah, blah,
08:19or who's he to go and get.
08:20But there's no downside to playing good football
08:23and keeping good football players.
08:24So the more Shador Sanders can, you know, hone his craft,
08:28the better for him and the Browns.
08:30So you want to see Watson continue to play well.
08:35And when Shador Sanders steps out there,
08:37you know he's going to be more than equipped
08:39and ready to go.
08:40This is no different than a Alex Smith,
08:43Colin Kaepernick situation
08:44where the year they went from Smith to Kaepernick,
08:48Smith wasn't playing bad at all.
08:50They just felt like the ceiling was higher with Kaepernick.
08:53So they made the move.
08:54So it wasn't like, you know,
08:56Smith was playing awful football
08:57and they had to go to Kaepernick.
08:58Like, it's the most ideal situation.
09:01I think that could be the Browns situation
09:03if Watson continues to play well,
09:05but they also realize, okay, maybe we have reached the point.
09:08Maybe this guy behind him, Shador, gives him a better ceiling.
09:11Because what I brought up about the Giants quarterback situation
09:14was everyone wants the high name, the flashy name,
09:19but they should focus more on guys
09:21that are more within their shopping bracket, right?
09:23The Josh Johnson, the, you know, let's say,
09:26a DJ Uyunglele that has a relationship with the Harbaugh's, right?
09:30Someone like that more so than the J.J. McCarthy's
09:33or the Shador Sanders.
09:35All right, Emery Hunt, we know you do the deep dive
09:38basically every week on quarterback prospects
09:41and we'll still be certainly paying attention to them
09:44throughout the season.
09:45It seems like people are down on so many of them
09:48and it's like the third straight year
09:49that people have felt that way.
09:52Do you think we're overreacting right now
09:54to Arch Manning and some of the others?
09:57And who has emerged so far?
10:00Pro-down trouble, my guy, is not we overreacting.
10:04They have overreacted.
10:05Because I've been right here on the same point the whole time, right?
10:08So I told people before, like, you know,
10:14the rush to hype up Arch was something
10:17that was a detriment to Arch.
10:19And you can't have a rational conversation.
10:21So that's why the last time we talked,
10:23I told you guys who my number one quarterback was,
10:26was Darian Mensah.
10:27And my number two was, at the time, Dante Moore.
10:31And three was Trinidad Chambliss.
10:33But if you go back, I retweeted this last year,
10:36a comment I made at the beginning of 2026
10:39saying, man, I don't know why Chambliss didn't come out.
10:42He would have been my number one quarterback
10:43in this draft class.
10:44And that would have been over Mendoza.
10:46So they're still good quarterbacks.
10:49I also feel like this, too.
10:51And this is what I be talking about a lot, man.
10:53And I've said this forever.
10:55No one player is that good.
10:57I don't care who he is.
10:58It's a team game.
11:00You need 53 good players, right?
11:04And so, therefore, everybody can do their 111.
11:06So there are some quarterbacks that you can win with.
11:09I feel like what happens on social media
11:12and in the media space, we tend to look for a savior.
11:16No one – think about it.
11:18Dan Marino didn't win a Super Bowl
11:20and only got to one in his second season, I believe,
11:22or his rookie season.
11:23So that doesn't mean that Dan Marino is not a great quarterback.
11:27It's hard to get to the end goal.
11:29And when we make one guy that, quote-unquote, savior,
11:32you're setting yourself up for failure,
11:34the team up for failure,
11:35because the expectations are unrealistic.
11:39I totally agree with that.
11:40Emery Hunt joining us on the show.
11:42I like Trinidad Chambliss.
11:43I just wish he was heavier.
11:45I'm afraid of the punishment he would take in the NFL.
11:48I think it's one of the reasons I might have to pass on him
11:51and go with, like, a Darian Mensah or Dante Moore.
11:54Well, listen, Ken, you can't hit what you can't catch.
11:57You can't hurt what you can't touch.
11:59So they're going to have to get him first to hurt him.
12:01And that's the problem right now.
12:02They can't get him.
12:04And so when you look at someone like Chambliss,
12:06what really stood out to me the most, man,
12:08and because I cover all the college football,
12:11FCS, V2, NAIA, all that stuff,
12:14even youth sports in Canada,
12:15is the fact that I've known him for a while
12:18and seen him play for a while.
12:19So I've seen him do his thing at Ferris State
12:22under Coach Tony Anise.
12:24And I was like, man, you know, for me,
12:26it's about how he manages the game.
12:28He looks like Russell Wilson, plays like Russell Wilson.
12:30And, you know, I'm glad he's my colleague now
12:33because then I could show him the video I did back in 2012
12:35when I said he was my, he had a first-round grade on him
12:39and he was my number three quarterback behind Luck in RG3.
12:42And nobody had him back in that spot.
12:45So because I look at the game differently, man.
12:48Like, how do you affect the morale of the team?
12:51How do you make plays when things don't look, you know, optimistic?
12:55And how do you lock in when the team needs you to lock in?
12:59I thought last year told us everything we needed to know about Chambliss.
13:03And his play is different than a guy, let's say, like a, you know,
13:08a Dante Moore where you can see Dante Moore trying to figure out
13:12how to make something happen.
13:13But with Chambliss, it's instinctively, oh, I'm about to make this happen.
13:18And to me, that can help you mitigate getting hit, taking big losses,
13:22or taking, you know, these subjects of the pain you get
13:25at the quarterback position.
13:26So I have no qualms about him because of how he's played
13:30and how he's played consistently over the course of his, what,
13:3215-year collegiate career.
13:35Emery, I only got two minutes, and this is going to be a long answer,
13:39but I got to ask.
13:40Protect College Sports Act, yes or no?
13:43No, that's a simple answer.
13:44And here's the reason why, man.
13:45Why is the problem when the players start to get paid?
13:47How about we put a cap on these coaches?
13:49You know, coaches are supposed to be instructors of, you know,
13:53the next generation and growing student-athletes to, you know,
13:57productive people in society.
13:58If professors on campus are not making $5 million,
14:02then why should these coaches be making $5 or more?
14:04Now, see how that sounds?
14:05If you put that out there in the ether, they're like,
14:07whoa, whoa, why are you so anti-somebody getting paid?
14:10Exactly.
14:11Why are you so anti-somebody getting paid, i.e., the student-athletes?
14:16What if they did cap it at $5?
14:18Would that be okay?
14:20Yeah, because that means, well, you mean the coaches' salary?
14:23Yeah, the coaches.
14:24Yeah, because now you can use that money to go to other sports.
14:29Football, obviously, is the big moneymaker.
14:32But, man, how about these other non-revenue-generating sports?
14:34It's supposed to be about the entire student-athlete body, man.
14:37Let's get everybody paid.
14:41Emory Hunt.
14:41Now, hold on.
14:43What if they go, okay, Anthony Lima, he's a fabulous head coach,
14:48and now Notre Dame wants him.
14:49Marcus Freeman's gone to Ohio State.
14:53Notre Dame needs a coach.
14:54Anthony Lima's the head coach in Minnesota.
14:55They want to bring Anthony down.
14:56They go, hey, we'll give you the max.
14:57We'll give you $5 million.
14:59Plus, plus, plus, plus, plus, plus, plus, plus.
15:01Is that unfair to the players?
15:02Should the players be able to get those pluses?
15:05Yes, because at the end of the day, remember,
15:07it was supposed to be name, image, and likeness.
15:09I ain't seen no commercials yet from nobody.
15:11I just started paying players.
15:12So, yeah, you could let the plus, plus, plus be these commercials.
15:15Go out there and sell some, you know, McCallaghan car products
15:19or whatever, auto parts.
15:20Go do that, right?
15:21In addition to getting money from, you know, the school paying you,
15:24because they got it already.
15:25Think about how fast they was able to pay these players.
15:27So, that tells you they've always had the money.
15:30Emory, thank you so much for the time and the perspective, friend.
15:32We'll talk to you again soon.
15:34Appreciate you guys.
15:35Have a good one.
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