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00:30Natuloy ang testimonya ni AMLAC, Executive Director Ronel Buenaventura.
00:35Ayon sa prosecution, layunin nila na maipakita sa bank records ni na VP Sara Duterte at Atty. Manassez Carpio na
00:434.4 billion pesos umano ang dumaan dito mula 2007-2025.
00:50Hindi umano ito nakadeklara sa state profassets, liabilities and net worth ng BSE.
00:55May 1.6 billion na natukoy na pumasok sa mga account ng mag-asawa at 1.3 billion naman ang
01:02natukoy na lumabas.
01:041.4 billion pa ang hindi matukoy kung pumasok o lumabas.
01:09At ang mga ito ay base pa lamang sa mga CTRs at STRs na isinumiti sa AMLC.
01:15Her husband walked out of two banks with 41 million in cash in a single day.
01:21Sabi pa ng prosecution, isang tao umano na may kaugnayan sa iligal na droga ang bumili ng tseke na pangalan
01:30ng BSE ang nakalagay noong 2011 at 2012.
01:34May 34 suspicious transaction report umano laban sa BSE at 30 naman kay Carpio sa AMLAC, bukod pa sa anilay
01:42derogatory reports sa AMLAC.
01:44Nabanggit bin ang pera mula sa China na pumasok o mano sa mga accounts ng mag-asawa,
01:50impormasyong narinig din sa press conference ni dating Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV noong biyernes.
01:57Money from China poured into a food manufacturing company of her husband.
02:02Ang Kale 88 Foods Corporation ay tumanggap ng 319 million na remittance mula sa mga kumpanya sa China.
02:11Tatlo rito ang iniulat ng banko bilang kahinahinala.
02:15Banks and insurers report these transactions because this is how dirty money moves.
02:22Kinawasyon ng abogado ng BSE kung bakit tinatalakay sa trial ang bank accounts ni Duterte noong hindi pa siya nakaupong
02:29BSE.
02:30Katwira ng prosecution para ito matukoy ang baseline o yung pinagsimula ng yaman ng BSE upang maipakita kung paano ito
02:38lumaki
02:39at ma-establish ang unlay pattern na hindi pagdadeklara ng BSE sa kanyang salin.
02:44Kabilang dito ang mga transaksyon sa kanyang joint account ng amang dating si Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte
02:51na noong taong 2014 daw ay umabot-umano sa mahigit 193.7 million pesos ang halaga ng transaksyon sa loob
03:00lamang ng isang araw.
03:03CT RIA po means inter-account transferred so this is a movement of funds from one account to another client's
03:13account within the same bank.
03:15Different transactions. These are unique accounts in one day and he further explained that these are mere transfers from one
03:25account to another
03:27but that these are unique transactions.
03:30Nagpaula ng objection ang depensa bilang pangangalaga raw sa karapatan ng BSE.
03:35Gwardyado ng prosecution at depensa ang isa't isa kaya nagpaalala ang presiding officer.
03:41Lawyers can argue these legal points till kingdom come and I doubt if you will reach or intersect or come
03:50to an agreement.
03:51Let the witness speak.
03:52Lumabas din sa pagtatanong ng prosecution na merong dalawang suspicious transaction reports
03:57na naiugnay umano sa posibleng katiwalian sa flood control.
04:01Kaugnay sa pondong ibinayad noong 2019.
04:04Pero aminado si Buenaventura na nagmula ang impormasyon sa media reports kaya kinwestiyon ito ng depensa.
04:11Based on records, Your Honor, as reported by the covert person, the reason indicated is gruff and corrupt practices, Your
04:21Honor.
04:21It in no way creates a link between the actual corporation and the corporations mentioned by the news article.
04:28Nagkaroon din ang diskusyon tungkol sa pagbibigay ng testimonya patungkol sa dollar accounts
04:34dahil ayon sa depensa at sa ilang senator judges, labag ito sa batas.
04:39This court also clarifies that it is not at this point compelling the bank or covered institutions
04:44to disclose information concerning foreign currency deposits.
04:49The witness is simply being asked to testify on records and financial information that are already in his lawful possession.
04:56The confidentiality of foreign currency deposits cannot operate to place information lawfully reported to the MLC
05:02beyond the reach of the impeachment court.
05:05A contrary interpretation would be untenable.
05:08Si Sen. Judge Alad Peter Cayetano tinawag naman na official marites report
05:14ang presentasyon ng AMLOC tungkol sa umunay suspicious transactions ng BSE.
05:19This is just an official marites report.
05:22Magsasubmit kayo ng report ganito na narinig lang natin lahat, nabasa lahat sa dyaryo.
05:28Turo ng nanay at tatay ko, pag nakarinig ako ng chismis at tinanong ako, huwag kong ikakalat yung chismis.
05:35Kasi pagka ang chismis ay kinalat ko, credibility ko kasama rin.
05:41Bagay na sinagot naman ni Sen. Judge Rizahontiveros.
05:44Turo din naman po ng nanay at tatay ko, hindi ko muna ipepresume na ang anumang bagay o anuman ay
05:51chismis.
05:52Hanggang marinig ko po lahat.
05:54Sa cross-examination ng depensa, sinilip nila kung may pahintulot mula sa tatlong miyembro ng Anti-Money Laundering Council,
06:02si Atty. Buenaventura na tumestigo sa naging pagdinig noon ng House Justice Committee.
06:08When you appeared before the House Committee on Justice on April 22, 2026,
06:15did you obtain a prior written authority of the three council members?
06:21Your Honor, the authority granted was pursuant to our information exchange guidelines which the council already approved in 2022.
06:32So that is an authority granted.
06:35There's a provision there which authorizes me to appear whenever we're subject of subpoena.
06:42Meron din daw siyang pinadalang memo sa council ukol sa kanyang subpoena.
06:46Bukod dyan, inusisa rin ng depensa kung may pahintulot ng council members
06:51ang pagpapresenta niya ng confidential information sa naging pagdinig noon.
06:57It was already included in the guidelines, Your Honor, provided when I joined, Your Honor.
07:03Napag-usapan din sa pagdinig ang pag-rollover ng pera sa bangko,
07:08gaya ng pag-deposit ng mahigit P500,000 na may kaakibat na CTR o cover transaction.
07:16Duda ng depensa, kapag nagka-interes ang deposito, maari na itong panibagong CTR.
07:22Time deposit is 12 months for example, and the process repeats per month.
07:26Yung P600,000 will be around 12 times na in the AMLC reporting, correct?
07:35If they are reported po sa amin, yes po.
07:37Alright, meaning yung around P600,000 lang talaga,
07:41ang aggregated total niya in AMLC reporting will be around 12x or P7 million.
07:48When in fact, dun sa senaryo na yun, a little over P600,000 lang talaga yung true wealth, tama?
07:56Hindi yung P7.8 million na tinotal, tama?
07:59Yes, Your Honor.
07:59Na ay tanong din kay Atty. Buenaventura kung iligal ba para sa bisi at asawa na si Atty. Mance Carpio
08:07na kumuha ng insurance,
08:09mag-invest sa time deposits, stocks at bonds.
08:13Sagot ng opisyal, sa kanyang pagkakaalam, ay hindi ito iligal.
08:17Sa isang punto, sinabi ng depensa na maaaring paglabag sa Anti-Money Laundering Act,
08:21ang paggamit ng confidential information.
08:23Under this provision, Atty. Buenaventura, pati yung media pwedeng makasuhan, correct?
08:28Sinagot yan ang Senator Judges.
08:30The councils in the impeachment board should be reminded of the term parliamentary immunity.
08:38Mali rin na kahit indirectly, bantaan ang media.
08:43Dapat po walang chilling effect na either sadyang or disadyang lilikain sa hanay ng 4th Estate.
08:51I don't see any reason bakit paulit-ulit na lang itong defense na tinatakot pa, pati media tinatakot.
09:00Alam naman natin ni rule ng presiding officer na allowed dito sa impeachment court
09:06yung pag-divulge ng mga information coming from AMLA.
09:10Dulay si Lito Lapid, takot na magsalita.
09:13Pagod na tayong lahat. Give us a break.
09:15Pagpunto pa ni Senator Judge Kiko Pangilinan,
09:18kung tutol ang depensa sa pagpapahintul sa testimonya ni Buenaventura,
09:23ay maaari silang dumulog sa Korte Suprema.
09:25It leads us to think that maybe in the cross-examination, I don't know.
09:32The defense counsel will raise the issue of the possible criminal liability of the senator judges.
09:39I don't know.
09:40The Senate presiding officer has ruled.
09:44If the defense wishes to raise this issue, bring it to the Supreme Court perhaps.
09:50Sa isa namang panayam, sinabi ng depensa na hindi nila intensyong magbanta.
09:55We regret that they felt that way.
09:58Siyempre ayaw naman natin talaga ng gano'n.
10:00And I think naman for a 20-minute one that was not intentional.
10:04I think he was just reading the law and he just wanted to raise that with the witness.
10:10But again, we regret if any senator felt that way.
10:14Kasi as you know, hindi naman talaga intentional to threaten anyone.
10:18Sandra Aguinaldo nagbabalita para sa GMA News.
10:25Kasi as you know, hindi naman talaga intentional to threaten anyone.
10:26Kasi as you know, hindi naman talaga intentional to threaten anyone.
10:26Kasi as you know, hindi naman talaga intentional to threaten anyone.
10:26Kasi as you know, hindi naman talaga intentional to threaten anyone.
10:26Kasi as you know, hindi naman talaga intentional to threaten anyone.
10:26Kasi as you know, hindi naman talaga intentional to threaten anyone.
