00:00For the BIR, Your Honor, only there is a transfer, there is a tax.
00:04You are always like that.
00:07What I would like to say here is that B.P. Sarad,
00:11because they have stolen it.
00:14They didn't have it inlayo.
00:18Like what's happening now,
00:21they have stolen it.
00:23Are we having a tutorial on what the tax form contains, Your Honor?
00:28Actually, I'm learning, Attorney Irwin.
00:33But yes, Attorney Christine, you're going to a point, right?
00:37Prima faci fraud, in Tagalog,
00:40in the first opinion, there is a fraud or a fraud.
00:44Objection, Your Honor.
00:47I'm just translating it.
00:49What's the objection, Attorney Christine?
00:50We would like to propose, Your Honor,
00:52that the exact wording of the law be adopted,
00:54not translated into Tagalog.
00:57It might mislead the public, Your Honor.
00:59It's not misleading.
01:00In fact, I want the public to understand what it means.
01:03Because prima faci fraud,
01:04it may be technical for other people to understand, Your Honor.
01:07Matagal ko na pong sinasabi na hindi confidential ang katotohanan.
01:11This is a trial.
01:12We do not try here rhetoric.
01:15We try here facts.
01:17This court explicitly said that it has not issued any subpoena to this particular witness,
01:24and neither has it issued any authority for this witness to be handed over certain documents or specific documents,
01:32especially documents containing confidential data.
01:35I would like to correct the good defense counsel.
01:39It's not a supposed forensic report.
01:42It is a forensic report.
01:44The person is not a stranger.
01:47His name is Attorney Alexander B. Cabrera.
01:50Pinayagan ni presiding officer yung BIR records.
01:55Pinayagan ni presiding officer ang anti-money laundering records.
01:58Pinayagan ni presiding officer ang mga bank records, insurance company records.
02:03Ano po ang pinagsasabi nilang confidential?
02:06Magkano naman po?
02:07Your Honor, before the witness answer.
02:10Yes, Attorney.
02:12We would rather have this undeclared cash as alleged because this is still subject to cross-examination
02:21and offer of evidence and has not been proven as a fact yet.
02:25So, may we ask the Council if that can be used.
02:29The term alleged will be used.
02:32I don't think, if I may respond, Your Honor.
02:34I don't think the defense can dictate what words will come out of my mouth.
02:39I am simply...
02:41Kano po ang total undeclared assets at income ni VP Sara at kanyang asawa sa taong 2025?
02:48195 million, 692 thousand and 505 pesos po.
02:53At ano po ang suma total ng undeclared assets at income ni VP Sara at kanyang asawa
03:00para sa taong 2022 hanggang 2025, sir?
03:05817 million, 874 thousand and 867 pesos po.
03:11Wait lang po, Alex. Baka naman may double count yan.
03:14Wala po, Honorable Shell.
03:18Ang aming pong method na ginamit po dito ay very conservative.
03:22Yun po yung aming inalagaan na wala pong double counting, wala pong duplication po ng count.
03:27At ito pong mga na count ninyo ay hindi po kasama ang mga dollar accounts dito?
03:36Hindi po kasama ang dollar accounts except po may kasama po dyan na yung sakali 88 po.
03:42Pero bukod po doon, wala pong kasama po yung dollar accounts.
03:47Okay.
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