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Willard and Dibs react to another missed kick by 49ers kicker Eddy Pineiro and wonder if it's time for the 49ers to bring in a new kicker.
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00:00Will Eddie Pinheiro, Jennifer Lee Chan reports that Kyle said on his conference call,
00:08think about the way this is worded, I find this stuff fascinating.
00:13Kyle Shanahan shares he has not heard talk of the team bringing in kickers for tryouts
00:21in consideration of Eddie Pinheiro's missed PATs.
00:28The wording of that is fascinating.
00:30Right.
00:31He has not heard talk of the team bringing in kickers for tryouts.
00:38Well, wouldn't he be the one doing the talking for the most part?
00:42Not necessarily.
00:43I mean, this is his ballgame, let's be real.
00:46It is, but if he wanted them to, you know, actually have a different kicker,
00:51they'd have a different kicker.
00:52And so if there is talk, maybe he had his earbuds in and stuff and he or maybe he was
00:57in a different part of the plane because I know that the word yesterday was they will,
01:02you know, look at it on the plane and have those discussions.
01:05And so, you know, if there has been talk and I would imagine there has been even before
01:09yesterday and you actually said you're just one more missed kick away from I've had it
01:15and all the rest of it.
01:16And so, right, there is though, and I know it's not a huge dead cap number, but there's
01:22a dead cap hit and I know you have cap room and you don't want to just squander that at
01:28the same time, you can't have your kicker continuing to miss PATs, but you don't want to have a dead
01:32cap
01:33hit on the kicker.
01:34You don't, but the Niners can afford this.
01:37And this is the kind of thing to me.
01:38And listen, here's where I'm at on this.
01:41Just before we go deeper into the conversation, I'm not saying that today is an automatic cut
01:46for Eddie Pinero.
01:47I'm not saying that at all.
01:48You do not want to do that until you are comfortable with someone else.
01:53Am I using this bye week to bring some people in?
01:55You damn well better believe I am.
01:57Oh, hell yes, I am.
01:59And if Kyle hasn't heard talk of the team bringing in some tryouts, just go ahead and turn on 95
02:04.7
02:05in the game.
02:05We'll give you some talk right now because what fascinates me is you don't want dead cap.
02:11You signed him to a four-year deal.
02:14He was really good just last year.
02:17Hey, everyone, they're six in one and you cannot let anyone ruin this.
02:25They're the best team in football and they cannot afford to have someone out there missing
02:32extra points consistently.
02:35When you add together his field goal misses and his extra point misses this year, he has
02:39missed more kicks than any human being in the NFL.
02:42You can't do this.
02:45It was a disaster for the Los Angeles Rams.
02:48They made their move too late and now they're three and four.
02:52And the 49ers, I mean, if you even think, I know yesterday feels like, oh, four turnovers
02:58and pass rush, right, at the same time, how would you feel about George Kittle's fumble
03:03if the score was 29-21 instead of 29-20?
03:07You'd have felt a lot different.
03:09You'd have felt a lot different.
03:10The Niners would have still had a chance to win that game as a one-possession game.
03:14So that's all I'm saying.
03:17This is not a move on yet until you find someone that you like better.
03:21But the blasé nature of like, yeah, we'll just keep rolling with, we'll just get six
03:28instead of seven.
03:30No.
03:31No.
03:32Those of you who want them to be aggressive at the trade deadline, I say the exact same
03:36thing about the kicker position.
03:38You have got to be aggressive getting somebody you trust in that position.
03:43If Eddie can re-earn the trust, great.
03:45It can be Eddie.
03:47But somebody has got to earn that trust as they move into the second half of the season.
03:51One, you don't know who you could bring in, whether or not you can give that person that
03:56level of trust either.
03:57So right now you've got a kicker who's struggling and you've got a chance to, over the next 13
04:02days, hopefully have him figure out what's wrong, improve it, get better.
04:07And it might be the whole operation.
04:09I'm not smart enough to know if the hold is where he wants it.
04:12The snaps all seem to be good.
04:14I don't know if it's a holder kicker thing.
04:16If they need to just get on the same page and get more reps together, I'm not going to sit
04:20here and pretend to know exactly what's going on with the operation.
04:24But yeah, you can bring people in to try them out and you can apply even more pressure than
04:30Eddie's already feeling.
04:31I'm not saying he's going to wilt if you bring in people and try them out.
04:35But my only thing is you signed him to this deal, which we can look at that part of it
04:39if you want.
04:40And obviously it looks like a mistake that you gave him a contract, a four-year deal
04:45and whatever the money's only guaranteed to the extent of like six million is the cap
04:50hit, et cetera.
04:51But just because you want to get a new kicker in doesn't mean that that new kicker is going
04:56to be any better.
04:57No, but that's what, like right now, that's what I would start looking at.
05:01That was true when they brought in Eddie.
05:03Eddie was sitting on a couch.
05:05There was no proof that he was going to come in to be better than Jake Moody, but you couldn't
05:09have Moody anymore.
05:11And you got to bring in someone.
05:12And then Eddie was awesome.
05:14And then four-year deal, the potential out in the deal is not till after 2029.
05:20I don't know why.
05:21That's the free out.
05:22I understand that.
05:23I don't know why.
05:23Like, right.
05:24They've got tons of cap space.
05:26It's not ideal, but I'm not letting it get in the way of my playoff run.
05:30If I'm the Niners, like that's all I'm saying.
05:34Right.
05:34And so if you're in the camp of let's keep playing this out, yeah, that's probably what's
05:41going to happen for now.
05:42Like, I don't know that they'll find someone that they fall in love with who's just sitting
05:46on a street.
05:47The Rams have signed everybody who's on the street over just the last month.
05:52But their kicker, like they found a replacement and he got blown up, blew out his knee.
05:57And so now they're on to the next.
05:58Right.
05:59And I don't even know who's out there.
06:00I heard somebody earlier talk about Justin Tucker as somebody, and I don't know if he's
06:05persona non grata based on what he's done and beyond that.
06:09I don't even know outside of, I think, Jake Moody, who is out there.
06:13He's a kicker and you liked him so much that you use third round draft capital on him.
06:18But outside of that, it's not like there are just a bunch of kickers who are queuing up
06:23ready to come in and be good.
06:25Um, well, but they could young way coup is out there.
06:30No, thank you.
06:31Uh, Matt Prater is out there.
06:33Interesting.
06:33He's got to be what?
06:3440 years old by now.
06:36Uh, young way coup tends to miss a lot.
06:39Uh, see, no, I, I disagree.
06:42He did when we last saw him, but as Eddie Pinero will prove kickers find, they find it and then
06:50they lose it and then they find it again.
06:52And then they lose it.
06:53Young way coup was really good for the Falcons a few years ago and then he wasn't.
06:58And then they started calling him wrong way coup.
07:01And then they cut him.
07:02Yep.
07:02Graham.
07:03Gano.
07:04Don't you know?
07:05Don't you know?
07:06Um, you know, whatever.
07:09Tanner Brown.
07:10I mean, now you're just making stuff.
07:11No, I'm not.
07:12That sounds like a special team player of the year.
07:16That sounds like a nineties, uh, sitcom, uh, Tanner Brown starring.
07:21What's her name?
07:22I can't remember.
07:24Uh, Lacey Brown or Lacey.
07:27I mean, we're not at the point yet where you make a move unless you bring someone in
07:33for tryouts and you feel really good about it.
07:35But like, I'm not blowing this off.
07:39This is terrible.
07:41Four extra points by week seven.
07:44That's brutal.
07:46That's less than ideal.
07:47It's brutal.
07:48He missed four last year, uh, through week.
07:50And I think he kicked in what?
07:5214 games, maybe 15.
07:54So he's clearly not yucked in as we like to say here on this program, but I don't think
08:00it's at a point where you're just going to throw him out and replace him with who
08:05not coup, but who Tanner Brown.
08:09Okay, sure.
08:10Now I listen, I get it.
08:13And I, I, I understand that Eddie Pinero is probably going to kick against the Raiders.
08:17I get that, but I, I am not in the camp of, Oh, it did just, you know, let's, let's
08:24see
08:24how it goes.
08:25I mean, what if you or I said that to every person who called in and went, let's get to
08:29Forrest Buckner.
08:30Oh, well, we just, just wait.
08:34Let's see how CJ West does when he comes back first.
08:37Well, you got the deadline.
08:38The deadline is an actual thing.
08:40Right.
08:40And when it comes to kicking and last year I was saying, you know, Jake Moody, give him
08:45a chance, give him a chance to go out there and show you that.
08:47He's not the guy.
08:48And I think in the opener, he missed two field goals and an extra point.
08:52And that was about it.
08:53And they moved on.
08:55So I just don't think we're quite there yet with Eddie Pinero, but yes, open up the facility,
09:01have people come in, people named Tanner and go ahead and kick the football and let's
09:05see how you do.
09:06Yeah.
09:07This is kicker.
09:08I, and, and by the way, like, let's not act like this is definitely not a thing.
09:14If this was definitely not a thing, then Kyle Shanahan would not have answered that
09:17question the way he did yesterday.
09:19Well, he's not hearing conversations about it.
09:21That's today.
09:22Right.
09:22But yesterday when he was asked if Eddie Pinero was his kicker, he said, we'll have a conversation
09:28on the way home on the flight.
09:30That's not a ringing endorsement.
09:33Kyle Shanahan is not like, yeah, it's not a thing.
09:35We love Eddie.
09:37We trust Eddie.
09:38No, Kyle's pissed.
09:40Well, he hates kickers anyway.
09:42Well, everybody does in the NFL.
09:45They sit over there and do nothing all that.
09:48There's no other position.
09:49You know who doesn't hate kickers?
09:50Oh.
09:50D'Amico Ryans.
09:52Because he's got the best one.
09:53He's got the best one.
09:55You've got 13 kickers who are yet to miss an extra point.
09:59And in extra point percentage, Eddie Pinero is 26th out of 28 who qualify.
10:06Only two worse.
10:07Here's Kyle's three seconds on the kickers yesterday after the game.
10:11I don't know.
10:11I haven't talked to anybody about that.
10:14And we even clipped the end of it.
10:15Yeah.
10:16Hey, let me try it again.
10:16I don't know.
10:17I haven't talked to anybody about that.
10:19We'll probably discuss it on the plane.
10:20Okay.
10:20We'll discuss it on the plane.
10:21I haven't talked to anybody about it yet, but we're gonna.
10:24So we're going to talk about it on the plane, and yet today was I didn't hear any conversation
10:28about that.
10:29So did you fall asleep on the plane?
10:32That happens.
10:33Or, I mean, did they have like a conversation and you weren't around for it?
10:36Possibly.
10:37Is Kyle just coming up with like the 27th way that he knows to be like, I'm not answering
10:43that question right now.
10:44I'm not telling you.
10:46We have two weeks.
10:48We might try out kickers.
10:49We're not going to like tell you.
10:51We're not going to put like limo people at the airport with their name, like Graham Gano at
10:59the, like, waiting at the airport.
11:02We're not telling you.
11:03I'm not doing that to the current kicker we have because he's probably skittish enough as it is right now
11:10with the way it goes.
11:11Those dudes like, but I get it.
11:14At the same time, I was trying to think about this last night.
11:16Is there any other position in sports where you're literally like, we're asking you to do one thing?
11:26That's it.
11:27Kick ball straight.
11:28That is the, like, we're not, you don't need, don't go tackle anyone.
11:32I understand.
11:33Stop kicking off into the end zone.
11:35There's that too.
11:35So, I guess maybe it's two things.
11:37But you understand what I mean.
11:38A kicker's job has no nuance to it.
11:42The ball is either through the uprights or it's not.
11:45And if you are consistently not hitting it through the uprights, you got to go find somebody who does.
11:50Do you guys want to hear, you read it a little bit of it.
11:52Do you want to hear specifically what Shanahan said about it today?
11:54I would love to, Mark Grandy.
11:56Asked about any plans to work out, try out any new kickers.
12:00Here's Shanahan.
12:01I haven't discussed it with guys.
12:04I haven't been told that we are.
12:06I actually just finished with the team and just finished with the quarterbacks and came in here.
12:10So, I don't, as far as I've heard, we don't have any plans on that right now.
12:15Okay.
12:18So, it's a funny response.
12:20Because he's making it sound like this is a John Lynch thing.
12:23And there's nothing with the 49ers that's not a Kyle Shanahan thing.
12:28So, that is, I actually don't think that's as positive of a response as maybe it's not.
12:33It sounds like when you read it.
12:35Because what Kyle is also not saying is, Eddie's our kicker.
12:40Next question.
12:41And he can do that.
12:43But he's not doing that.
12:44I haven't heard yet.
12:46Right.
12:47But I haven't been in that room yet.
12:48But five seconds after I get off the phone with you.
12:51By the way, do the kickers have a room?
12:53I don't know.
12:54You know how everybody else has a room?
12:55We can go to the running back room.
12:57We can go to the quarterback room.
12:58Are the kickers and putters in like the janitorial closet?
13:01I'm just thinking about the closet.
13:02What do they do?
13:03Like, do they have their own room?
13:04And what do they do in there?
13:06Are they just playing cards?
13:07What are they doing in there?
13:08Hacky sack?
13:09There's probably a golf simulator.
13:11Because, you know, kickers love to golf.
13:13They're amazing, yes.
13:14I mean, they probably have some sort of a room.
13:16And there's like a golf simulator and stuff.
13:18And there's probably one of those fun kicking nets.
13:21And Eddie's hitting his ball OB right now.
13:23Probably a lot of decks of cards and, you know, video games and all the rest of it.
13:27So, I was thinking about what other job in sports.
13:30And the only one I can even approximate would be the long snapper.
13:34Like, your only job is to snap the ball really far behind you and then run down and tackle somebody
13:40if it's the punt team.
13:42And that's it.
13:43And if your snaps are not good and if you're not able to run down there and do it, then
13:48you're gone.
13:48But if you can do it well, hello, 20-year career.
13:52Some of these long snappers.
13:53Oh, totally.
13:54And if you look at the list, and I did this for Loneal, of the number of players who played
13:59more games than Lorenzo Neal.
14:01And there's about 90, 90 to 100 players.
14:05And at least half of them are either kickers, punters, or long snappers.
14:10Long snappers.
14:11Yeah.
14:12I told you, I've told you this story before that I grew up around the corner from Dave Bin.
14:16Yes.
14:17Who was the Chargers long snapper for, let me look at it now, from 19, he took my sister to
14:23the formal.
14:24Yeah, that like, and I played basketball with his younger brother.
14:28Yeah, Dave Bin.
14:30He, like, the families were, we were friends.
14:32Did he long snap the corsage to her?
14:34He did not.
14:35Well, I wasn't there, so I actually can't answer that question.
14:38That would have been very funny if he did.
14:40But the funny thing is, is I don't know, because that was high school, the specialization sensation of it all,
14:48we didn't know.
14:49Like, he was a tight end for San Mateo High School, and then he went to Cal.
14:55And all of a sudden, everyone's like, how the hell did he end up at Cal?
14:58Like, he's not, he barely plays.
15:00Well, it turns out, the dude could long snap better than anyone in the history of ever.
15:07I think he had one bad snap in his career.
15:10So he was the Chargers long snapper from 1994 to 2010.
15:15And then he popped over to the Broncos for a second, and that was the end of his career.
15:19But, yeah, almost 20 years.
15:21Nothing but long snapping.
15:23256 games played for the Binster.
15:26I just looked, Lo Neal's tied for 92nd all-time in games played.
15:31And that man was out there smashing people with his gigantic grilled cheese of a head.
15:36But your leaders in order, Morton Anderson, kicker, Vinatieri, Gary Anderson, Jeff Fiegel's the punter,
15:43George Blanda, who was a bit of a hybrid quarterback slash kicker, and then you get to Tom Brady at
15:50quarterback.
15:51But Jason Hansen, kicker, Phil Dawson, kicker, John Carney's up there, Andy Lee, forever niner.
15:57He played in 297 games as a punter.
16:01So, yeah, long snapper, kicker, punter, and if Eddie Pinero can play his cards right, he can climb this list.
16:08Let's go Lucky in the city.
16:10888-957-9570.
16:12Hi, Lucky.
16:15Afternoon, Willard and Dibs.
16:17You know, I had to call in because of, you know, me and Dibs' little sort of wager.
16:23And, you know, I have to say, Dibs, like titlins, your picks stink, man.
16:28So, it's frustrating that a Niner fan would bet against his own team.
16:35I'm not understanding this logic.
16:37Just talk to me.
16:38Well, here's how it works, Lucky.
16:40All I do is win, win, win, no matter what.
16:43That's not true.
16:44What?
16:44I won all three games so far this week, Lucky?
16:47That's this week.
16:48Not no matter what.
16:49You said no matter what.
16:50You know what, Lucky, when we do fade the Dibber, it's up to me to make the pick that I
16:56think is the correct pick.
16:57And all y'all can fade me.
16:59Like, Willard loves to fade.
17:01And so, I took the Falcons.
17:03And, you know, you all can just step back and just pay some homage to the Dibber, third person.
17:09Well, I have to say this, Dibs.
17:13You know, for one week, you're right.
17:15But for the rest of them, you're absolutely wrong.
17:18So, you can take a win for one week, man.
17:20A seven-day streak is good for you, Dib.
17:23After that, man, just get ready to sit in the garbage can like Oscar, man.
17:26Eat all them nuts.
17:28No, keep it up, Lucky.
17:30Grandy, what is his record on Niner games this year?
17:32Thank you, Lucky.
17:33Keep up the good fight.
17:35What's the record?
17:35Just on Niner games.
17:36That's three and four.
17:36Including today, yeah.
17:38Or, including yesterday, yes.
17:39And he's now three and four on Niner games.
17:41Okay, so win, win, win, no matter what.
17:43If you only pay attention to the games where he wins.
17:46What's my record overall, Grandy?
17:47On the season, you're now 16 and 11.
17:49I got you.
17:50You've been very good.
17:51That's also not, no matter what.
17:52So, I believe that at one point, I was four and eight.
17:55And so, I've now won 12 of 15.
17:58You were four and eight at one point.
17:59Wow.
18:00Wow.
18:01Okay.
18:01Keep fading, though.
18:02No, fade away.
18:03First of all, I didn't.
18:04I did not fade your Seahawks, kid.
18:06You've been coming up in an hour.
18:07I did not fade.
18:07You're 14 and three in your last 17.
18:10You've been hot.
18:11That's crazy.
18:12Yeah, you've been hot.
18:14Which, go ahead and peacock it, if you will.
18:15Sniff all you want.
18:16A couple sniffs there for you.
18:18Put snot all over the microphone for crying out loud.
18:20When you sniff, the snot goes in, not out.
18:22You've been around long enough to know, this ain't gonna last forever.
18:26Make it last forever.
18:27Key sweat.
18:28You ain't going 14 and three in your next 17.
18:31I guarantee you, I'm gonna win tonight, Kukush.
18:34Oh, I'm fading.
18:35You can't guarantee tonight.
18:36Yeah, I'm fading.
18:39I think I...
18:39What the hell's the number tonight?
18:41What the hell's the number?
18:41Four and a half, I believe.
18:42Is it?
18:43Like Cowboys?
18:44And I tailed you on...
18:45I think I tailed you on your couchie.
18:47Trade on anything.
18:48Oh, you did?
18:48Tonight?
18:49Tonight?
18:49We got ourselves a handful of activity.
18:51I got some people in town.
18:53The lovely Christy's coming into the city.
18:55And I, like, when you go sports barring, I actually put an ING on it.
18:59You gotta, like, you gotta lay the wood.
19:02You gotta, you gotta, right?
19:04So I'm like, we're gonna just combo everything on all the TVs.
19:09Let's just combo all of it.
19:11And tonight, we're drinking free.
19:16Because I know I'm gonna win that combo.
19:17I love it.
19:18I'm gonna win.
19:18Yeah, lock it.
19:19Yock it in.