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Jeremy White and Joe DiBiase kick off Victory Monday by sharing their initial thoughts on the Bills trouncing the Ravens 36-10 to improve to 6-1. The guys emphasize how strange of a game it was for the Bills, with the QB injuries to the Ravens, the penalties, and the sloppy play from the Bills. They also analyze how real the defensive performance was after it appeared they became more of the aggressive blitzing defense we all expected, but it was against a severely depleted offense.
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00:00happy football monday and victory monday football monday brought to you by tim hortons the official
00:04coffee of the jeremy and joe morning show on wgr start your day strong with tim hortons and the
00:10bills our phone number is 803-0550 if you'd like to join us a very strange day at the stadium
00:17if
00:18you were there you know because it lasted a week and a half the game itself it took forever the
00:24bills dominated and the bills fans for a large part of it were restless and frustrated and
00:29justifiably so but the bills dominate the ravens 36 to 10 in a score that had it been a regular
00:37game
00:37we'd feel great about because the third string quarterback went in it's probably a bit of well
00:43they effectively won a preseason game and it had all the intensity of a preseason game but whatever
00:48they won they are now in first place in the afc thank you denver that is the story that is
00:55the
00:55talk of the tables today the one seed is theirs to lose talk of the tables brought to you by
01:01treasure cave the official cheese of the buffalo bills so we'll get into everything there is to
01:05get into on the offense on the defense on the game itself on drops on play calling things that made
01:11you frustrated things that got you excited and it's a victory monday all the same so conor mcgovern at
01:17eight o'clock sal on the way as well all part of our football monday a beautiful day to start
01:22the
01:22month of november oh it is 60s again yeah and now the countdown to the chiefs game really because
01:28it's going to be minnesota this week who lost their first game then the dolphins and then oh sorry the
01:34jets then dolphins and then chiefs yeah we got 20 uh which is probably three and a half weeks until
01:40we
01:40get get to that chief and that's probably the game for the one seed or whatever between the two of
01:45them you know the tiebreaker all that stuff the jaguars will be live for that too but it was it
01:50was a good day for the bills they won chiefs lose end of story right the meaning of the day
01:55felt like
01:56the the moment that lamar goes out the first play of the game the day changed from okay let's see
02:05what
02:05we get here maybe we'll learn things and what are the bills going to look like against the ravens what
02:10is lamar going to look like all of that out the window to just all right what are the standings
02:14going to look like after today yeah like what's they win this game and what does this what does
02:19the slate now look like if you rewind back to before the season and go this is what i was
02:26doing
02:26this was like their toughest stretch at least it looked like it before the year where houston's going
02:31to be like an afc contender and detroit's a super bowl contender and the chargers are probably gonna
02:36be pretty good that did not happen new england the raiders the not the raiders the rams the ravens
02:41they're six and one out of that stretch and i know a lot of those teams are not as good
02:45as we
02:45thought they were in fact maybe if all of them are not as good as we thought they were is
02:50every team
02:51the raiders the raiders are better than we thought they'd be everybody else is worse everybody else
02:55might be at least a little bit worse yeah than we thought but still six and one you beat the
03:01ravens
03:02and i thought that'd be a really tough game going into the season one of their toughest games and
03:07it just became the moment jackson goes out it just it was they were going to win the football game
03:12it
03:12was frustrating they didn't win by 50 they still won by 26 yep it's another one of these games where
03:17i
03:17don't know how they got to 36 points because it didn't feel like they got to 36 points but they
03:22got
03:22there 36 points because the other team can't do anything on offense there's going to be a lot of
03:27possessions you're going to get your chances you have josh allen you know right the deep shot to dj
03:33more makes a big difference you finally get dalton kinkade going in this game the run game is always
03:37going to be good to great it was good in this game so yeah how'd you get to 36 i
03:43don't know you just
03:43keep going honestly how you get to 36 is you keep josh allen and james cook in probably longer than
03:49you
03:49should cook suffers that scare of an injury right where alec anderson is waving people onto the field man
03:55alec anderson made a lot of i was terrified terrified for james cook he comes off the field
04:01then he's back joe nothing scares joe brady i that would have been james cook's last fagnano
04:07going on three touchdown drives apparently scares joe brady yeah i guess so because i mean i would
04:12james cook would have been done allen would have been done a drive before he was done uh yeah i
04:18would
04:18have played a little bit more conservatively than than brady did but he gets the win they get the win
04:22minnesota this week there you go dj and that'll be a style fight yes yes it will i think the
04:28bills
04:28will be fine the the the i guess the big debate if there's a debate about this game is what
04:33to do
04:34with the defense and i will not say anything bad about the defense i will simply say i think i'm
04:41going
04:41to get nothing from it not even tendencies not even oh they blitzed at 63 yeah i bet why would
04:51they do
04:51that because they got a guy that had probably never run first team reps hey there's an if if something
04:58happened where joe dibiase won a contest and was going to pilot the ravens on a drive what should the
05:04defensive coordinator do you think you think they'd blitz you should blitz you every play you think
05:08they'd oh my god what's happening out here so i don't even want to get into tendencies on what
05:14jim leonard did it's cool that they that happened it was nice to see you know cole bishop blitz like
05:19they look great even whatever they might have been a little more aggressive than they normally are
05:23before uh finiano went in but either way like the even huntley i mean huntley you would think you
05:29would go it would be more more aggressive more lamar is a guy that you're probably not going to do
05:33that too lamar is has been in the last couple seasons good against the blitz he's the starter
05:38he knows what to do he's got the escapability you know the difference from the drop off from
05:44jackson to huntley is a lot of the escapability and the mobility even though huntley's fine with
05:48that he's not lamar and the drop off from lamar down to the third string undrafted free agent rookie
05:55backup not just third string not just rookie udfa skyler bell's quarterback went into this game
06:04but okay what do you want me to say about the defense what do you they got their numbers they
06:10got off the field they communicated better great congratulations i'm happy they had a fine game
06:17i just don't really expect to take much away from that going forward i think they could look good
06:22against minnesota look good against the jets sure look good against miami sure kansas city might be
06:27a little bit of a different test but at the end of the day their numbers defensively will probably
06:32in the next month or so regress all or progress whatever you know what i'm saying yep they'll level
06:39off they won't be the worst defense of all time i bet in a month we're talking about a defense
06:44that
06:44ranks 18th and we're relatively happy but much like everything else they can't convince us they're good
06:51enough to win the super bowl on november 1st no and again and they can't do it against faniano
06:56right right they certainly can't do that so i i don't maybe there's a couple of individual things
07:03i want to take away from like but i kind of even only want to do that with the huntley
07:09place right
07:09like okay so zay flowers had no catches do i want to take anything out of that because he was
07:15still
07:15catching the ball even without lamar right when it was huntley when it was huntley yes he didn't catch
07:20the ball with huntley but huntley was only on the field for 12th place so all right well 12th place
07:25i have maybe okay benford was covering flowers and he was doing a good job for 12th place then i
07:31have
07:31they stopped derrick henry the ravens all line is probably really bad like i was watching bad and
07:36they're they're banged up too there were moments where i'm watching and like you're trying to find
07:40like anything that that is separate from the quarterback and there's the third string guy back
07:46there on a on a fourth down and that could have been lamar lamar would have bounced out of the
07:50pocket but ed oliver drove the guard right through into his lap was it the left guard because their
07:55left their rookie left guard was out with an injury right right they're they're stud so that's maybe
08:00where right like everything that the bills did great yesterday there probably is a counter of all
08:05like they were playing right a preseason off i'm sorry vega ionia's uh right guard okay so it might
08:09have been the starting okay maybe it was the starting guy so like there's a moment there where like
08:12at oliver looks like he's back right into the lap of the quarterback immediately if it's lamar he
08:16bounces it out it's this guy he's going down for a sack or he tried to throw it and it
08:21was incomplete
08:21so yeah there are moments but the overall i i don't feel like you can take anything anything you cannot
08:29measure how good this defense is from what happened yesterday they can feel good about it they can feel
08:33good about and they should communication because there were not guys running wide open but if there was a
08:37guy running wide open we wouldn't have seen joe finiano reach him i don't think i need like two
08:44or three nice throws they were the first two throws a couple he came he came out i will say
08:49little finiano fear out of the gates because he came right out ripping the ball like three straight
08:55completions like oh i didn't even know who it was so i'm in the stadium very different than watching
08:59on tv like when something like this happens 12 comes out for baltimore who is this guy and before i
09:05could even i didn't want to look down at my phone because the game was happening and like i don't
09:10want to miss a play so i watched those three throws no idea who it was total mystery quarterback is
09:16just
09:16out there ripping the bill 12 like is brady just it's coming down from the booth who is this it's
09:20kind of fun game to play like did they draft a guy in the second round that i forgot about
09:24it who could
09:24it be i'm like is that i was trying to think of like old backup quarterbacks from the ravens like
09:30is
09:30that trace mcsorley like no that's he retired right like i could not figure out who it was kyle bowler
09:35back for a return is that flacco flacco where they retired his number so he had to use a different
09:41number no it's joe feniano right all right and then by the time i looked up who he was i
09:45don't
09:45think he made a nice pass the rest of the day it was it was by the time i knew
09:49who what his last
09:50name was no good passes yeah well good work bills you got the job done uh hey next time we
09:57have a
09:57game like that just a quick message to the officials can you guys can you guys just like get us
10:01out of
10:01there can you get this thing moving along we don't need procedural penalties we don't care
10:07just scrap the rules and running clock let's go we left with about six maybe nine to six minutes left
10:13got in the car and listened to the game cast here on wgr with zach and derek and nate and
10:18they're just
10:18begging for the game to end come on it is 420 what are we doing get them out of there
10:25dj moore is out
10:26there getting injured with at 440 in the afternoon i know should never be happening i know i know more
10:33had a nice day could have had a bigger day there was one play it's one of the benefits of
10:37sitting
10:37in the stadium and up top there's one play where he i tweeted about it too he absolutely smoked this
10:43guy on a double move and if alan had thrown it to him like the throw that alan missed to
10:47coleman as
10:48open as coleman was deep more was open by 30 more yards there was not a person in the zip
10:55code
10:55and alan didn't see him and kind of checked it down to kincaid and more was uh i don't know
11:00upset
11:00whatever he was jumping in the air holding his head like this was a free touchdown we just missed
11:06so he could have had you know a bigger bigger day but he didn't it's fine they win it's fine
11:12they won
11:12they won 26 they are 6-1 what are the ravens i mean they're dead their season is over that's
11:18what
11:19the ravens are they are cursed that's a team that's cursed they fired harbaugh because they're tired
11:24of the same life which is blowing leads and probably losing lamar to injury and guess what
11:30life they have again blowing leads and they didn't have one in this game and losing lamar to injury
11:34i mean you can't even really call lamar soft or anything like that because of this game you know
11:40it dislocates or breaks a thumb or whatever that's going to be a problem he's going to go on ir
11:43you
11:44can't throw a football that's not something you can play through so a little bit of bad luck but man
11:49the whole week was about his availability he plays one play i know game over all right i don't ever
11:57want to hear alan and lamar in the same sentence again until that guy can play 10 straight games
12:02i'll give him 10 play 10 consecutive games start to finish then you can enter the chat i know it's
12:10bad
12:11luck along the way and i feel for him but geez one play yeah all right we'll get some calls
12:19it's one
12:20of those isn't it to one of those freak injury plays yeah that's what's almost i don't know how
12:26much i want to assign to him on well like you can't say healthy which is has been true it
12:32has been true
12:32this season like i don't know what he would have looked like in that game we had cameron wolf of
12:36espn
12:36trying to feel like set the expectation low pre-game talking about how he still has pain when
12:41he's planting like we pain when you're planting like you're you're telling everybody by dropping
12:46that report they're like don't expect him to be lamar today his first throw was 10 yards short
12:50right was that because he his hand hit the helmet or hit or hit russo's hand or whatever i think
12:55it
12:55was he was off his back foot a little bit he's planting he and he was planting he didn't have
13:00it
13:00so you were already setting the expectation low is that the injury that could just happen to
13:05anybody though like sure like that one is different but whatever the overall point on
13:10lamar like it it's true like he is now at a point where you cannot trust him to stay on
13:16the field you
13:16cannot trust him to play through injury not that that's the injury you would want to do that with
13:20i was going to throw with no right thumb but and also now he's about to be 30 years old
13:26alan's 30
13:27and injuries stack on top of one another and i would wonder about his longevity and will the body hold
13:33up right like i would have had that with him just a little bit more than guys like alan anyway
13:38just
13:38because he's built differently right like he's slender and he's more about speed and and burst
13:44and not that alan isn't also speed and burst i mean he made a linebacker missing space and then pointed
13:49him after yesterday like he has those moments too but i i would wonder if jackson injuries on top of
13:58injuries now is going to make it so that he's never going to be fully healthy going forward like 10
14:03games in a
14:03row is going to be tough for him into his 30s yeah let me know when he gets to 10
14:07we'll start the
14:08clock we'll start the counter victory monday football monday hopefully you're in a good mood
14:13you had a good time monday night football that'll be a good one bills and vikings bears and oh sorry
14:19next yeah i thought you were talking about tonight bears and seahawks yeah tonight's a great game
14:22that's good too yeah that's good too uh tyrell and buffalo leads us off tyrell good morning
14:27good morning guys and happy victory monday you too um my my thing is i know we've won it all
14:36um
14:37i'm not thinking about now i'm thinking about long jeopardy i'm thinking about the playoffs
14:41and my concern is if they don't do something before the trade i'm i was leaning towards defense
14:48but seeing all these injuries and how things are playing out i think it might be better if we go
14:54out
14:54there and get john shannon another weapon um the bills do this every year you know we play like
15:01this they have these games like this and my concern is not how they're playing now my concern is
15:06defense they're in long jeopardy and to see the way dj moore is playing if he goes out the office
15:12kind of struggles a little you know but somehow they still put up 30 points but people keep forgetting
15:19that when you win the playoff some of the teams you're playing now with a backup quarterback
15:24it's not gonna be in the playoff you know it's gonna be a little bit harder so my concern is
15:30that
15:30they don't make no trade i just don't see how far that we can go deeper to the playoff
15:36but it's the bills you know we do it every year so but happy victory monday guys you too
15:42thanks tyrell so you know making moves this will be the week to talk about it the trade deadline is
15:46a week from tomorrow safety definitely in the mix linebacker definitely in the mix i've been saying
15:54for a couple weeks i don't see the pathway to adding a receiver while a lot of people bring it
15:59up you know
16:00i would love to but i don't see the pathway well now the pathway exists josh palmer's hurt yep is
16:05he
16:06gonna go on the ir if he goes on the ir you have an excuse to now bag it for
16:10the season he can't
16:12stay healthy we can't trust him to stay healthy put him on our short term go search for a receiver
16:17somebody that can stretch the field for you because with with palmer out i know we say what they are
16:24without dj moore but without palmer they look slow to me they're not a fast offense right they're
16:31throwing passes to jackson hawes and dawson knox and keon coleman and shakir's pretty fast actually
16:36shakir might have the fastest speed with ball of a ball carrier in the nfl this year he does yeah
16:42yeah i think on the play against the rams maybe okay he reached the fastest of any ball over time
16:47yeah yeah that might be right um so whatever there's some speed but i i worry a little bit about
16:53the speed of the offense and the field stretching ability which is you know it's okay
17:00moore was kind of quiet early in the game coleman was not to be found in this game which is
17:05not that
17:05big of a surprise like that's it's the new gabe davis that's what you're going to get out of coleman
17:10you're going to get 70 and a touchdown and you're going to get zero or 70 and a touchdown 110
17:15and a
17:15touchdown and two for 12 like that is that is coleman's role so if palmer is hurt they had greg
17:23dorch running things at receiver yesterday a little bit got some snaps you probably don't want that to
17:27happen i don't know who the name is i still think it's a long shot because they are more likely
17:33to
17:33pursue two other spots and they have so many what are limited resources in terms of what they could
17:39get but at least the door opened and i know matt perino's out there suggesting garrett wilson
17:45uh i'm into it i just don't i don't know that this gm and this team is going to look
17:52at what they've got
17:53and say offense because they can play what people would say a relatively sloppy game and put up 36
18:02so he's leaned on the 30 points per game before why wouldn't they just lean on that again i don't
18:08think they would add a receiver but the palmer injury definitely opens a door i think more likely
18:13is something really low level if they are going to add a receiver i keep thinking about keenan allen
18:19you know there's seven catches yesterday he's going to be free he makes no money
18:23he's not going to cost anything play the coleman role i mean he's a big slot he kind of goes
18:28and
18:28plays any role right like right like with the chargers last year he played on the outside mostly
18:32you know this year he's kind of done back and forth he's definitely i'll give you one thing he's
18:36definitely not he is not your speed point no that's right you could be further from the opposite
18:41no and if i want anything on this team added in the form of a weapon it's a little bit
18:46more speed
18:47i'm just thinking about him because he's a veteran and probably trustworthy and he's going to cost
18:51but what i need a little less of is just big rumbling people why am i throwing to jackson hall
18:58jackson hall's not working this year no he's hurting this team i pointed out yesterday in three games
19:04in some mistakes i shouldn't say that he's probably doing fine in the in blocking which he was drafted
19:08to do right but he costs them a turnover he costs them with a penalty and like i've got four
19:14tight ends
19:14on my roster and bills you know there's some that like to say they have the best tight end room
19:18in
19:18football who would who would say that right now no they've got they didn't one guy crazy when it was
19:22said right they don't they've got some nice players there and they like to spread it around but the
19:27fourth guy is a non-factor the third guy can't be trusted to catch the ball who's the second guy
19:31you
19:31want to make it knox or kinkade i think knox is a really good player it's knox is averaging less
19:36it's
19:36now averaging like it's six yards per game right and then kinkade he's been able to stay healthy and i
19:41think he's generally really good i'm not going to worry about a drop here or there because you know
19:45you're getting in position to make plays keep giving him keep giving him throws he'll still get it done
19:50but keenan allen is i mean that's closer to a wide receiver i'm thinking of like a tight end and
19:56i
19:56don't want to do that i don't want any more hybrids like this yeah i want josh palmer if he
20:01is going to
20:02be out someone in that mold but not for 11 million dollars right yeah does does that only separate still
20:09i'm
20:09sure um the tight i pointed out the tight ends in pregame yesterday because kinkade was going into
20:15the game saying he was pretty confident he should be able to play like not even like full go like
20:19okay that's interesting and will he be 100 he's always battling injury he's got this chest thing
20:24and last year the bills were getting 35 yards per game from the other tight ends other than other
20:31than kinkade a lot of that was knox like 417 from knox 187 from hawes last year like that's something
20:37that's a contribution yeah and this year knox is averaging six yards per game and he now he's got
20:44important drops in two of the last three games right he's got one in the end zone against new
20:48england yesterday he's running wide open across the middle it's a five yard pass and he can't hang
20:52on to it and he's kind of had drop problems since the beginning of his career a little bit so
20:56i've got
20:57i just six yards per game from dawson knox who is the 10th highest cap hit of tight ends in
21:01football
21:01by the way and jackson hawes who has no catches on the year he might as well be austin corbett
21:08right like what last year i had a second tight end who could catch the ball a little bit and
21:12then
21:13a third tight end that was different than my offensive lineman and this year i feel like
21:16knox has become hawes where i get this one catch per game and hawes has become the old lineman who
21:21can't you can't throw the ball to him at all or else it gets volleyballed 10 feet into the air
21:25that was a tough break that's a tough break i know it happens sometimes let's not chuck the
21:30ball up into the air though next time bump set spike volleyball is exactly what i thought too like
21:35just it was tough one tough break all right 8030550 got some time to talk to you join us it's
21:42a
21:42victory monday happy thrilled in the one seed spot driver's seat for the one seed you know just hold
21:49serve the rest of the way if backup tight end is your problem as an offense you know you have
21:52the
21:52best offense that's you're doing you're doing fine if that's your issue with an offense you have
21:56an elite offense but the palmer injury will be something to address like i don't know if skylar
22:01bell is just ready to go into that role yeah i wouldn't anticipate that he is shavers though
22:06okay shavers is coming back i mean i don't i don't necessarily say you love that answer but that
22:11might be their answer that's right that's probably right but i mean we're we're right here again where
22:15you know here i am i'm the og shavers truther and we're gonna talk about him like he's like a
22:20major
22:21addition at the deadline nice nice little piece he'll block and get maybe one ball a game all right
22:288030550 to join us it's victory monday bills win ravens are cursed they must be cursed it was a
22:35beautiful day at the stadium join us to talk about it whatever's on your mind offense defense
22:39special teams that's an area the ravens absolutely blew it in this game too we'll get to that jeremy and
22:45joe on wgr
22:47you
22:48you