00:00We are now three and a half hours till the trade deadline, not sure what's going to happen,
00:04what should happen, what will happen.
00:07Let's start with our guy Disco and Laurel.
00:09What's up, Disco?
00:11Hey, B-Mesh.
00:12What's up, JP?
00:12What's going on, fellas?
00:13Hey, Joe, what's happening?
00:15Hey, man.
00:16So, I love the conversation about the nucleus.
00:18Let me tell you why I think we're here, why we're here where we are right now.
00:22A combination of, you whiffed on, prior to Adam Peters, you whiffed on four consecutive
00:28first-round picks.
00:30You whiffed on five, excuse me, you whiffed on five top 100 picks.
00:36You also traded away picks, you traded away six or seven picks for Tunsell, Deboe, and
00:43Lattimore, two of which are no longer on the team.
00:46When that amount of draft capital that you gave away, plus the draft capital that didn't
00:53turn out, I think that's why we're here where we are, and that's exactly why we don't
00:57have that nucleus.
00:59Agreed.
01:00All right, man.
01:00I don't think you're wrong.
01:01I'm with that.
01:04I don't disagree with that at all.
01:08And to Brian's point, going after the veterans was something that made sense at the time.
01:13Even the Lattimore trade, as much as that was Bus City, it is Bus City.
01:17At the time, it made sense.
01:19They were good.
01:19They needed corner help.
01:20He was the best one available.
01:22It just didn't work out.
01:23He was still injured and then couldn't play once he landed.
01:26You can make sense of the moves at the time, but you can also now make sense of how it
01:32all
01:32kind of went sideways.
01:33Yeah.
01:33Let's go to Joe in San Diego.
01:36What's up, Joe?
01:38Joe, what's up, guys?
01:39What's up, man?
01:40Thanks for taking my call.
01:41Yeah.
01:42I'm leaning towards a no on selling, and this is why, JP, you were citing the players that
01:49we got back in the Montez Sweat and Chase Young trades.
01:54Those guys, those picks should have been our core, and they're not.
01:58And they're kind of marginal players at this point, and it kind of makes me feel like I'm
02:04a continuity guy.
02:05I say give time to develop coaching staff, but this staff hasn't really shown a propensity
02:12to be able to develop anybody.
02:14As a matter of fact, we're seeing regression in guys like Sandra still, and even Jaden at
02:20this point.
02:21So I don't have the confidence that this coach can do anything with the draft picks that
02:27we might get anyway.
02:28And you mentioned, like, Chase on.
02:30That's a dude, man.
02:32We need more of those guys.
02:33I agree with Mitch.
02:35Mitch is re-sign that guy.
02:38What, are you going to get a fifth-round pick from me?
02:40Do you think that's going to be a dude on our team?
02:42I think you stay put.
02:44I think we need more of those.
02:45Dan Quinn's got to go after the season and get a staff in here that can develop players.
02:51I appreciate the call, man.
02:54Yeah, I mean, Chase on's been really good for them.
02:59I'm not necessarily saying you should trade him because I don't think he's a good player.
03:03He's good.
03:03I'm saying you don't have a ton of assets you could move.
03:06Maybe he's one of them.
03:07Yeah.
03:08Let's go to Mike in McLean.
03:10What's up, Mike?
03:13J.P., Mitch, how you guys doing?
03:16Honor and respect, man.
03:17We're doing great, man.
03:18How are you?
03:19Outstanding, outstanding.
03:21Hey, I do agree with the last two callers.
03:24This is truly all about Adam Peters.
03:29It's time for people to really call him out.
03:32I recall back in the day, Charlie, we had a GM named Charlie Cassidy.
03:37He wasn't perfect, but my God, Charlie knew how to build an identity.
03:42And like you said, B. Mitch, sometimes you can buy a bunch of parts, but what are you building?
03:47What is that identity?
03:49What it looks like?
03:49And one thing about Charlie and Joe, what they did to get those championships, they knew how to build.
03:56Even Joe's second coming, it wasn't like the first, but Joe still was in it and knew how to build.
04:02Even being perfectionist in NASCAR, you know, this is how winners do.
04:07It's not how much you fall or go down.
04:10It's what you're doing to get yourself back up.
04:13So, A.T. has to look at it this way.
04:16I made these decisions.
04:17I overall had these coaches come in and make these moves.
04:21And let's face it, it was a bad move to let Cliff Kingsbury walk out that door.
04:29He made a bad move on that.
04:31Those egos can't get involved.
04:33You're going to agree to disagree.
04:35Guess what?
04:36You're seeing the results from it right now on that offense.
04:39So, at the end of the day, A.T. got to make some moves and get some good returns on
04:44his defense.
04:45All right?
04:46Thank you, guys.
04:46All right, brother.
04:47Appreciate you.
04:47Good call, man.
04:51He's right.
04:52I don't know that there are moves to be made, frankly.
04:58But there have been too many misses through three years.
05:01And there were misses prior to that.
05:04But at some point, you've got to wrap your hands around what you've built.
05:09Kenny is in Largo.
05:10Kenny, what's up, dude?
05:12What should they do?
05:13What will they do?
05:15What's up, y'all?
05:15How y'all doing today, man?
05:16We're good, man.
05:17What's up?
05:19Man, so, Adam Peters, man, I mean, he messed us up, bro.
05:24I ain't gonna lie.
05:25Like, he messed us up.
05:26So, he gonna have to make it up to us.
05:29Like, straight up.
05:32And trade that line, I could say we could do, like, a soft sale, like, if somebody want
05:36to throw an offer, you know, for Mariota or, like, or Diggs or something.
05:40You know what I mean?
05:41I guess we could take that.
05:44But, yeah, like, Adam Peters, yeah, he got to make this thing right, man.
05:48Because, like, our starters go out, man.
05:50We had the luck.
05:52There's nothing we could do.
05:54And I just got one question for y'all.
05:56Do y'all really think we could win with this old line that we got right now?
06:01Yeah, I think we could win some games.
06:03I think we got to find out ways to approach it differently.
06:05I can't, you can't put them out on a, out on a limb by themselves all the time.
06:09You got to put, give them some help.
06:10And I don't know why people don't think they can help offensive linemen out, but you got
06:15to.
06:15What's most important is protecting the quarterback, not getting all five people out for a route.
06:22B, I have, I've been kicking this around in my head a little bit.
06:31Organizationally, so they brought Steve Wilks in, right, to help with the defensive backs
06:36in a lot of ways.
06:37Trey Amos last week was, asked about him, was saying how helpful it's been.
06:41And how, how closely he monitors things, gives them feedback.
06:46It's been helpful.
06:47Yeah.
06:48What else is he supposed to say?
06:49But that's what he said.
06:52You had a team go five and 12.
06:55They fired both coordinators.
06:58They brought in two new coordinators.
07:02One was an in-house promotion.
07:04The other, they brought it, somebody in from outside.
07:08Generally, when you have a coordinator change on either side of the ball, there's going to
07:14be some significant assistant coaching turnover.
07:17They got two new coordinators, and in total, four new coaches here.
07:23Only four people from other programs here.
07:27That would be Durante Jones, Eric Henderson, who pretty clearly was one that Durante wanted.
07:33He came in as the D-line coach and the run game coordinator.
07:37I think the defensive rushing presence has been the thing they've done best all year.
07:43Then they brought in DJ Williams to be quarterbacks coach, and Danny Ettling as assistant quarterbacks
07:48coach.
07:49It's fairly odd to have that few changes to your coaching staff when you have such big changes
07:57at the top of that list.
07:59And going one step further, it was almost all internal promotions for guys that hadn't
08:06had that job before.
08:08And I don't know enough about things, but I know that assistant contracts are generally
08:13two or three years.
08:15And you had a whole bunch of guys that joined this organization in 24, so maybe a whole bunch
08:19of guys still had one year remaining on their deal.
08:23And I don't know that Quinn wanted to make more changes, or that Durante Jones wanted to
08:29bring more people with him.
08:30But if I'm Durante Jones, and I'm leaving Minnesota, and know, maybe it's all Flores.
08:36Maybe Flores deserves every inch of every credit there is.
08:39But my guess is there's probably some pretty good defensive assistants on that staff.
08:43True.
08:43And if I'm Durante, and I know these guys in Minnesota, and I'm going to Washington to
08:47run my own shop, I'm guessing he sure would have liked to bring some of those guys.
08:52I would agree.
08:53And I don't know what I don't know here, but I know eventually maybe you're talking about
08:58money.
08:59Like, alright, well we gotta fire these couple guys, and we still gotta pay out their deal,
09:03and we gotta bring in these new guys, and they're gonna want three-year deals to leave
09:07Minnesota, and I just wonder, let me be clear, I wonder if those conversations were had, and
09:14two, I wonder what they went like.
09:17Because it's remarkable to have two new coordinators, and including one of the coordinators, you
09:22only have four new coaches in that building.
09:24Yeah.
09:24And then we talk about the pass protection plan with Miles Garrett and Aaron Donald coming
09:29to town last week.
09:30It wasn't very good.
09:32That was an internal coaching promotion.
09:35Yeah.
09:35Because Bobby left, or was fired, whatever happened there, they promoted Stapleton.
09:41I mean, we talk about the defensive backs early on, they brought somebody in to help
09:45with that in-season.
09:47That's generally not the most glowing endorsement of the guys that are currently there doing
09:52it.
09:52Yeah.
09:54And that stuff is down the list, like, fans might not notice all those sorts of things,
10:01because, but like, the people running position group meetings matter.
10:07True.
10:08And, again, I'm more raising questions there.
10:12Yeah.
10:12But I do wonder if the spend is the ask, or maybe people, as these conversations go, it's
10:21like, well, we might be blowing everybody out, so do we want to bring a bunch of new people
10:27in and have to give them three-year deals, and then we're looking at this next year?
10:30I would hope both of those conversations were had.
10:33I would hope that they had both of those conversations.
10:35But I'll say this.
10:36When we start about the pass protection, that's the schemer.
10:41That's the guy who puts it all together.
10:44Sure.
10:45And what I mentioned earlier about it's more important to protect your quarterback than
10:49it is to get people out in the route tree.
10:52We watch our team ball and snap, you see five guys go out into the routes, and you see five
10:58guys trying to block.
11:00Two of those guys could chip on their way out, or chip and leak late.
11:07You know what I'm saying?
11:08And I think that will give you a little bit more time on those outside rushers.
11:15Now, I recall coaches stating that they don't do that, and I watched it.
11:21I haven't heard anything discussed about it, but I don't see them chipping a lot.
11:26So, is it that they don't do it?
11:30And Blau, to his credit, a lot of people think really highly of David Blau.
11:35But the flip side is you promoted somebody internally to be your play caller that his previous
11:42experience was assistant quarterbacks coach in a room stacked with play callers.
11:47Yeah.
11:47You not only lose Cliff, you lose Brian Johnson, who plenty of people thought.
11:53I mean, he was an O.C. in Philly.
11:55Plenty of people thought he could be the O.C. here.
11:57Like, they lost a lot on the coaching staff and did not bring a lot new in.
12:05Which is at least interesting.
12:08And you wonder what the role is in a 2-5-1 season.
12:12You do, but I think we have to get to the point where we operate from a point of power
12:17instead of a point of fear.
12:19Every time we make a move and do something quickly like we did, we go from fear.
12:23We feared that Detroit was going to take him, right?
12:26So, we hired him.
12:28And everybody felt it was the right move.
12:30But I think also we understood.
12:33I know I understood you're going to have some groin pains.
12:37And now we're having these groin pains.
12:39And I think at that point, that's the guy who has tougher situations.
12:43Maybe lean on Anthony more.
12:45Anthony's been a play caller.
12:46He's been a head coach.
12:48You know, maybe lean on him more.
12:49I had a conversation with somebody that had a stint of head coaching in his league
12:57but was a coordinator and the offensive coach for a long time.
13:01And he was like, man, who's help?
13:03Is anybody helping this kid?
13:06Either he needs more help or needs to listen more.
13:09One of the two.
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