00:00 If you are saying that, then it would have been the same
00:02 if the tax was being collected from other avenues
00:04 then you would have to pay less taxation in these avenues
00:06 and the burden of the common man would have been less
00:08 Am I saying it right?
00:10 There are a few more things on this.
00:12 When there is taxation,
00:14 then things are documented.
00:16 When it is documented,
00:18 then crimes are also solved.
00:20 See, in the markets of Karachi,
00:22 heroin is also sold,
00:24 things are sold.
00:26 When the shops are documented,
00:28 then the tax will be collected.
00:30 But why doesn't the shopkeeper collect the tax?
00:32 Why doesn't the shopkeeper want to pay the tax?
00:34 He wants to get out of the system.
00:36 No, no, no.
00:38 He has special goods.
00:40 How will he show the receipt of the goods?
00:42 How will he show the receipt?
00:44 You tell me,
00:46 how will he show the receipt of gold to the jeweler?
00:48 I am trying to say this.
00:50 The interview I have given,
00:52 Mr. Basim,
00:54 I can assure you that
00:56 in two years,
00:58 we will repeat this again and again.
01:00 So, even after two years, the problem will not be solved?
01:02 I don't see it.
01:04 What did I discuss?
01:06 Aggregated income tax,
01:08 retailing,
01:10 smuggling, real estate,
01:12 tobacco,
01:14 and one more thing.
01:16 You tell me,
01:18 did you hear any debate about this?
01:20 Why did Mr. Shabbar say this?
01:22 Why did I say this?
01:24 Did anyone say that these issues are wrong?
01:26 Did anyone say that
01:28 what they said is wrong?
01:30 Did the meeting take place or not?
01:32 Did the agriculture income tax...
01:34 I have been the minister of
01:36 Sindh's revenue.
01:38 There is no department.
01:40 This is good.
01:42 The interview is ending.
01:44 The department is not even alive.
01:46 I am asking,
01:48 it is the morning of agriculture in Punjab.
01:50 In the Punjab's agriculture income tax department,
01:52 how many people tell me their names?
01:54 Okay.
01:56 If their collection is not even 2 billion,
02:00 but 4 billion, then what collection will there be?
02:02 So, Mr. Shabbar, if I say this in simple words,
02:04 you will tell me if I am saying it right or not.
02:06 One problem with this is that
02:08 you are not saying that we should tax the farmer,
02:10 but the middleman who takes from the farmer,
02:12 sells in the city, is a 'Aarti' (charity)
02:14 he makes a good amount of money.
02:16 There is a need to tax this.
02:18 Taxation is not done because the person who has to pay tax
02:20 does not allow tax to be imposed on himself.
02:22 Am I saying this right?
02:24 Sir, Aarti is their financer.
02:26 They run their election campaign.
02:28 So, it is over.
02:30 So, what is the solution?
02:32 You have told the solution.
02:34 What is happening on this is that
02:36 Aarti and her children, MNA and the government,
02:38 they are about 1.5 crore people.
02:40 There is a lot of rush
02:42 in the restaurant with Karachi today.
02:44 Real estate ads are coming
02:46 in every newspaper in Karachi.
02:48 People are buying houses, cars are being sold.
02:50 So, 1.5 crore people are living a good life.
02:52 The rest, like us,
02:54 15 crore, 16 crore, 24 crore
02:56 are poor.
02:58 They are poor,
03:00 they will live.
03:02 And the system
03:04 wants to keep them poor.
03:06 They have decided.
03:08 I spoke to a expert today,
03:10 without taking his name.
03:12 He said, "Tell Shabbar bhai
03:14 that in such a time when the government
03:16 and the government's support was so good,
03:18 when the army chief was with them,
03:20 we could not do all the work.
03:22 When will it happen?
03:24 There was an ideal relationship
03:26 between the government and the establishment.
03:28 So, let's do it.
03:30 I told you about the right retailer.
03:32 So, you did not go to the army chief later
03:34 and say, "Sir, you do it."
03:36 If I come back, what does it mean?
03:38 You must have said that the election did not take place.
03:40 No, no, it is not about the election.
03:42 It is about, "Stop now."
03:44 What can they do?
03:46 And they will say this.
03:48 Shabbar Dehdi, the chairman of the FBI,
03:50 has become so strong that he can tell the Prime Minister
03:52 and the senior officer to do it.
03:54 This is not possible.
03:56 Don't say that.
03:58 It is necessary for the economy.
04:00 Sir, I said this 50 times.
04:02 And the one in front of you will say,
04:04 "No, no, listen to me."
04:06 Forget about this.
04:08 I was very close to Musharraf.
04:10 I told Musharraf sir 100 times.
04:12 He said, "Your government is a good government."
04:14 "Sir, you should do this taxation."
04:16 "You should do this taxation."
04:18 He said, "Okay, but what can we do now?"
04:20 "Otherwise, some party will blackmail us."
04:22 "What blackmail?
04:24 You are using the word blackmail."
04:26 "You are using a good word."
04:28 "No, no, they are blackmailing us."
04:30 "Listen to me, Waseem. Try to understand."
04:32 "They do not consider this as blackmail."
04:34 "Try to understand."
04:36 "They think that this is permissible."
04:38 "We do not want to give it."
04:40 "Try to understand."
04:42 "They have a mentality that they are being oppressed."
04:44 "Why should I give it?"
04:46 "You will talk to them."
04:48 "You do not give me water."
04:50 "Why should I give this tax?"
04:52 "You tell me that the villages of Pakistan."
04:54 "Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad, Faisalabad, Sialkot."
04:56 "These are 5-6 big cities."
04:58 "You tell me about the tax collection of all other cities."
05:04 "It is happening from here."
05:06 "It is of 5-6 cities."
05:08 "Do people live in other cities?"
05:10 "Do they sell clothes?"
05:12 "What happens?"
05:14 "Listen, Waseem, the matter is very simple."
05:16 "When you have decided that the state's tax will not be used."
05:22 "The people who are saying that why did you not do it?"
05:24 "I was an outsider."
05:26 "Let them do it."
05:28 "Or give a statement."
05:30 "Give a statement that this is the problem."
05:32 "Waseem, tell me that I have raised 6 items."
05:34 "These are the items of Pakistan."
05:36 This is Pakistan's item. There is nothing else.
