00:00 You said that the cipher copy was lost from him. But was it lost as the Prime Minister or later when he stepped down as the Prime Minister? Can you clarify that, sir?
00:12 If you refer to social media, you will be able to confirm how the cipher operates. Rana Sonaullah has given a statement on this and the Federal Investigating Agency has also given its opinion during the remand hearing of Shah Mehmood Qureshi that the original cipher is in the office of the Foreign Office.
00:39 When this message arrives, it is made into four copies and one of them is a photocopy or carbon copy and is given to the Prime Minister.
00:50 And when it is given to the Prime Minister, then it is the responsibility of the Prime Minister of the office and not of the individual. So when an individual leaves the office of the Prime Minister, it is not something that he can take along.
01:05 And what was in his possession at that time was a photocopy, a carbon copy, of which various copies of course go to the President first, to the Army Chief, to the DGISI and to the Prime Minister.
01:19 So this copy is in the transfer of the Foreign Office and they have changed their stance so much that where is this copy? And half the case of the cipher is that we have to get a copy of the cipher from Mr. Imran Khan.
01:35 So there is so much contradiction in their own statement and so much inconsistent and contradictory approach that now I think it is clear that the cipher is where it should be, it is in the Foreign Office.
01:51 But Mr. Salman, if the copy is lost as the Prime Minister, then it is the responsibility of the PM House, because it is a matter of National Classified Document. If it is lost from the Prime Minister's House, then the case changes.
02:05 Exactly. See, this is our position that if you say for the sake of arguments that he had a copy, then what is written in it, those copies and that version, that position can be verified from four places, that what was in it.
02:25 On a photocopy, as they say, to make a mountain out of a molehill, that has been done here. I will tell you at the same time that we see criminal prosecutions and we see the Official Secrets Act,
02:39 so far there are very few prosecutions that have been initiated in the Official Secrets Act and it is reserved for internal matters of the armed forces,
02:54 if there is a charge of spying, if there is any anti-state activity with the enemy state, then these prosecutions are initiated on it. I am surprised that the Federal Investigating Agency has put a diplomatic exchange of communication between two countries on the former Prime Minister of Pakistan, the former Foreign Minister of Pakistan.
03:17 You have put it in the sphere of criminal law, it is very unfair and it is a very dangerous trend that may be used in the future for political score settling and political victimization.
03:32 But sir, tell me, Salman Sardar sahib, the old section 5 of the Official Secrets Act has been put on the former Prime Minister, the FIR that is in front of us, after the amendment, is there any issue of the new Official Secrets Act?
03:44 Because after these amendments, not only physical and digital evidence can be used as evidence, but if you get such a copy from the press at home, then your whole case falls apart.
03:55 As soon as Imran Khan sahib's conviction is in Tosha Khana, a very comprehensive surprise raid is done within 30 minutes of announcing of the verdict, and everything at home is done in reverse.
04:12 So if there was a message of cipher at that time, it would have been taken in its translation at that time, because you know that his stay and residence in Zaman Park for the past 10 months.
04:24 So if there was anything in his physical custody, then in two and a half hours, as they say, the whole house was postmortemed, that thing would have been found.
04:32 Now coming back to your question, why was the need for the amendment? It is an old law of 1923, many years have passed since 1923, this is 2023.
04:47 So that law was not catering to the message of cipher in any way. So today the need was felt that to do the right prosecution, it should be amended so that the law can be stretched and the current government can take Imran Khan sahib in its custody.
05:05 But neither the old law nor the new law, both are spineless, both are the prosecution, neither section 5 is applied on them, nor is section 9.
