00:00 Senior Anchor Kashif Abbasi is with us now. Thank you for your time.
00:03 The PPP has announced to vote for the PM.
00:06 Along with that, the Speaker, Chairman of the Senate and the President will be elected.
00:11 What will you say about this political reaction?
00:13 Look, I am waiting for the reaction of the Muslim League.
00:20 Because this is a very unstable system, which is being envisaged by Bilawal.
00:25 In which the PM is not in the cabinet.
00:30 He can decide issue to issue on who he wants to support and who he wants to oppose.
00:35 And he can make him a Prime Minister and take the responsibility.
00:38 And say, you go and govern.
00:40 You make the difficult decisions, we will not take the burden.
00:44 And maybe he also thinks, looking at the situation, he also thinks that the system or the assembly is not going to work for a long time.
00:54 That is why he has refused to stand with the Muslim League, to stand directly with them, to become a part of the cabinet.
01:01 And he has definitely said that he will vote for him.
01:06 It is a very surprising thing for me that how will this system work now?
01:11 Because this will be an extremely unstable system, in which the PM of the Muslim League will always look back.
01:17 That is, is my majority or my votes standing in their place?
01:21 Our screen is running that there are 75 MNAs of the Muslim League.
01:26 Okay, we have added another 10-15, so 80-90 have been added.
01:30 Or by adding the reserve, it has become 125-25.
01:33 How will they run the government with 125-25 MNAs?
01:37 This is beyond my understanding.
01:39 I will say again that I will wait for the Muslim League to give its response to this.
01:44 After that, let's see if this arrangement is acceptable for them or not.
01:50 I would be very surprised if they accept this arrangement and say that we just have to make a minister.
01:57 Because they don't just have to make a minister, they have to run a government.
02:01 They have to make some very difficult decisions.
02:04 And they have to take a brunt of those decisions.
02:07 Their reaction will come, the inflation will increase, they have to take that for the next 2-3 years.
02:12 If they remain in the same trouble that when will they leave us, because they are not even a part of the cabinet.
02:18 This seems like an unstable system.
02:23 I feel that the Muslim League should go after the free elected people,
02:30 and bring 30-40 from there, so that they can make a majority.
02:34 And of course, you keep running Faisal Wada Sahib,
02:38 although I completely disagree with him that such a thing should not happen.
02:42 That they will break, they will break.
02:44 So it seems that if the People's Party does not agree,
02:48 then PM Lehne will also refuse that we will not make a minister in this environment.
02:53 This seems to be a very unstable system at the moment.
02:58 If we have to talk further about this.
03:02 There are some other things, I am sure you will come forward to talk about it.
03:06 I did not understand this thing that the PTI has to sit with some government.
03:10 What kind of democracy is this that if a party does not have a majority,
03:15 it is not in a position to govern.
03:17 And if it decides that we have to sit in the opposition,
03:20 and you say that this is an anti-democratic method.
03:22 You were PDM-2, you were PDM-1, you have run the government together.
03:29 This was already expected that you two will run the government together.
03:32 Putting this element in it that they also come and sit in the government,
03:36 because democracy is not harmful.
03:39 I do not understand this argument that Bilawal has given.
03:42 It is necessary for every party to be united in this government.
03:46 Tomorrow, if the PTI says that we will also vote for the PM.
03:51 But we will not sit in the cabinet, we will sit on the opposition benches.
03:54 And after that, if they start disagreeing on things, what difference does it make?
03:58 And in that, what Bilawal is doing,
04:01 the problem is that everyone will have to join their heads.
04:05 The atmosphere has become such that I will conclude on this.
04:11 I will wait for the Muslim League's response.
04:13 I do not think the Muslim League will accept such a government.
04:17 But let's see, it is possible that this is an arrangement from the beginning and they accept it.
04:20 I would be very surprised if the Muslim League accepts this arrangement.
04:26 Kashif Abbasi, you will be with us.
04:29 Anchor person Meher Bukhari has also joined us.
04:31 Meher Sahiba, after the session of BSEC, Bilawal's very important press conference decision has been made
04:36 that he is not a part of the government, but we will vote for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
04:40 The Ministry will not take the Noon League, but the permanent offices,
04:43 such as the Chairman's Senate, Speaker, President, for which they will set their expectations.
04:48 What will you say about this move?
04:50 I think it is a very good and great tactical move.
04:53 The Pakistan People's Party has taken two steps from one arrow.
04:57 Firstly, I was very clear that after the campaign of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,
05:02 and after such a hard stance in the election campaign, he will not work on the old salary.
05:08 And that old salary was that the senior partner of a government should be led by PM LN
05:13 and become a part of that government as a junior partner.
05:17 Many people thought that traditionally, Ashraf Ghani will prevail and convince,
05:25 but I found it difficult.
05:27 Because this is your first official election, where Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,
05:33 after being the Foreign Minister, after handling a very big calendar,
05:38 once again he has leaped from the front for the entire campaign.
05:42 He has come up very much. Because of this, other political parties were not campaigning.
05:47 Mohsen Lignon also came late. He started early in the Pakistan People's Party.
05:51 PTI was nowhere to be seen. Because of this, he was very prominent.
05:54 His stance was very much coming up.
05:56 So I found it very difficult.
05:58 See, for today's political capital, for today's RZ, to gain benefits,
06:04 to become a part of the government, to lose long-term capital,
06:08 which the People's Party has done in the past, by weakening its grip in Punjab,
06:12 by sitting with Mohsen Lignon again and again,
06:14 on a very large scale, Jiala has been disenfranchised, disillusioned.
06:19 After breaking, what was the second option he had?
06:22 That he started joining the ranks of Tehrik-e-Insaf.
06:24 He was an anti-noon vote.
06:26 So once again, Bilawal Sahib was trying to convince him.
06:30 So I found it difficult.
06:31 See, in a way, what are the two reasons for one thing?
06:34 One is that you are saying that we are playing a very democratic role.
06:39 Because at this time, no one has such a mandate that they can easily make a government.
06:44 And no one can make a government without the People's Party.
06:47 Whether it is Mohsen Lignon or PTI.
06:49 So in such a situation, it would have been even better for their politics
06:55 if they had come at this time and sat in the opposition.
06:58 But their saying that we are a government,
07:00 we have a lot of money and our most important issues are,
07:04 including, you are again standing on the verge of bankruptcy.
07:06 Another program of IMF has been put in place.
07:08 And it cannot be taken from the Red Cross.
07:11 So we will do this, sit on the treasury benches
07:14 and help them point by point, issue by issue, in legislation, in legislation.
07:19 But we will not be a part of the government.
07:21 But we will definitely do it for the presidency, your speaker-ship, your chairman, the Senate.
07:26 See, the president can still call for the vote of no confidence.
07:28 He will also have the power, if he becomes the president.
07:31 All the bills that are to be passed through the National Assembly,
07:34 they also have to go through Sadr Mumblikab.
07:36 Then if he becomes the speaker, he is saying that we will contest for him.
07:40 He also has his discretion and power to call a session.
