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00:00The issue of the dogma of citizenship
00:30The issue of the dogma of citizenship
01:00The issue of the dogma of citizenship
01:29The issue of the dogma of citizenship
01:59The issue of the dogma of citizenship
02:29The issue of the dogma of citizenship
02:59The issue of the dogma of citizenship
03:29The issue of the dogma of citizenship
03:59The issue of the dogma of citizenship
04:29The issue of the dogma of citizenship
04:59And well, what we have is dogma.
05:03But it's always nice to hear some stories
05:07How this transition happened
05:10As this story has unfolded
05:17It has been developing based on citizenship.
05:47The issue of the dogma of citizenship
06:17We cannot separate them, we cannot separate them, we cannot separate them, we cannot separate the mysteries of Mary and Jesus
06:26Then based on the dogma of citizenship
06:56The issue of citizenship
07:26The issue of citizenship
07:56Maria is now the dogma of citizenship
07:57She then receives the angel's announcement again, but this time he tells her that she will soon die.
08:01In other words, he's letting her know that he's going to heaven soon.
08:05And well, here in the tradition
08:10She answers, she answers just like she did at the beginning
08:16If you look closely, everything is built on the basis of parallels.
08:19Try to go then
08:21If it started like this, then maybe it will end like this too.
08:24It's important that you know, in this part I'm telling you, that this is a story that has no basis in fact.
08:33Our father told us that the Virgin Mary went to the garden and there...
08:38This is something we gather from the apocryphal texts, which we have already discussed and which are not entirely reliable.
08:46But they do reflect some of the church's thinking
08:50They say where there's smoke, there's fire.
08:52It carries water, even if it's just a little.
08:55How much of this is true, and how much is not?
08:58Well then
08:59I don't know but
09:01Could it have been like that?
09:03If it could have been like that
09:05How was it?
09:07Well, nobody knows
09:08TRUE?
09:09These are things that were not recorded in any history book.
09:12And so the Virgin Mary then warns Saint John
09:20That the angel told him he was going to die
09:24And then she said she wanted to see all the apostles before she died
09:31And then it appears, supposedly, among the hypotheses of Maria's transit.
09:37Which must have happened around the year 60 or 65
09:42Most likely if we consider that the Virgin Mary
09:46She had Jesus when she was 15.
09:4915, 16 years old
09:51Jesus will have been born
09:53So
09:54This is happening in year 0
09:57TRUE?
09:58From our history
09:59So if this is happening in the 1950s or 1960s
10:03She would be around 75 years old
10:06That's what people believe
10:08Within private traditions and revelations
10:12She must have died around the age of 70 or 75.
10:16In other words, his transit occurred during that time
10:20It is said that he never aged
10:22That she remained the same
10:25With the same expression
10:29TRUE?
10:30It never wrinkled
10:31She didn't get skinny
10:33He didn't age
10:34She always maintained her vitality
10:37And well, much has been said about fullness
10:40And that's great, maybe that's how we'll be in heaven
10:42TRUE?
10:44Very advantageous for those of us who are already past that age.
10:46More for those who are more damaged
10:48TRUE?
10:49That we'll be around 30 years old
10:55Which is supposedly the age of fulfillment
10:57Because, let's say, that's when Christ dies.
11:00No?
11:00And as Paul says
11:01Arrival at the fullness of time
11:03So that's it.
11:04We would have something like this
11:05So that Maria
11:06More or less like this is how we would see it
11:08A 30-year-old woman
11:10Now a fulfilled woman
11:11But from then on
11:13He no longer aged
11:14TRUE?
11:16You would say
11:17Chihuahua, how envious I am!
11:18TRUE?
11:18We have to keep putting ourselves
11:19You
11:20The creams
11:21And this and that
11:21She didn't use creams
11:23Nothing.
11:23And he always lived with his vitality
11:25Total lived to be 75 years old
11:2870, 75 years
11:30And he wanted to see all the apostles
11:33And well then
11:35Tradition tells
11:37TRUE?
11:37That they met
11:39As shown in the icon
11:40All the apostles
11:42From all parts
11:44Where they were already preaching
11:46I mean, imagine this
11:47It's happening
11:48At least 40 years ago
11:50Or 30 years
11:51After
11:52From the resurrection of Jesus
11:54In other words, everyone
11:54It's already on the missions
11:56TRUE?
11:56Some in Spain
11:57Others in Africa
11:58Others in different parts
12:00In Türkiye
12:00In the end
12:01All the apostles are already here
12:03And well then
12:04Like the angel
12:07That's precisely why
12:07He gives her plenty of notice.
12:08So that they could come
12:10And well then
12:11The Virgin
12:12It meets
12:13They're all there
12:14And here it is
12:15Herein
12:16In this icon
12:17And all the icons
12:18Traffic
12:19They are going to introduce us
12:21The farewell
12:22Of all the apostles
12:24Around our
12:26Most Holy Mother
12:27What's going on there?
12:30Well then
12:31This has given
12:32Well
12:33The place
12:34To both traditions
12:36That
12:37We have
12:39In
12:40Two
12:41Paintings
12:42A
12:43Much more modern
12:45If you look here
12:46All types
12:47Of expressiveness
12:48In the end
12:48All of this
12:49He presents us
12:51This is the
12:52Titian's Assumption
12:53What is
12:55Already one
12:56A painting
12:57With features
12:58Westerners
13:00And then
13:01Here we see
13:02To the apostles
13:03Below
13:04That they see
13:05Rise
13:06To the Virgin
13:06I mean
13:07The Virgin was there
13:08Laying
13:09Rise again
13:10Or being
13:12Without
13:12Without dying
13:14TRUE?
13:14It is at that moment
13:15Taken by angels
13:17Here we can see
13:18To all the angels
13:20Yeah?
13:22They carry it.
13:23To heaven
13:23TRUE?
13:25So
13:25This is
13:26A
13:27This is
13:28A tradition
13:29What is it called
13:30The tradition
13:31From Ephesus
13:32TRUE?
13:33I mean
13:34It's the tradition
13:34From Ephesus
13:35Where
13:36They
13:37Well
13:38The Virgin
13:39Simply
13:40From being asleep
13:41Or being sick
13:42Then
13:43Her body
13:44Recover
13:45Completely
13:46Life
13:47And the angels
13:48They take it
13:49And they wear it.
13:49And that's why
13:50Come here
13:50To all the apostles
13:51There trying
13:52To grab it
13:53And saying goodbye
13:54And well
13:54A whole scene
13:56No?
13:56From the farewell
13:58No?
13:58To see
13:59Increase
13:59To the mother
14:00Of Jesus Christ
14:01No?
14:02But we have
14:03Also
14:03Another tradition
14:05This is
14:07This is
14:07Another icon
14:08That
14:08After searching
14:10A lot
14:10I was able to find
14:11Something
14:12That we
14:12I could help
14:13This is
14:13The tradition
14:14That is known
14:15Like the one from
14:16Jerusalem
14:16That has
14:18A parallel
14:19With the
14:20Resurrection
14:21Of Jesus
14:22If you look closely
14:23Here we have
14:24A coffin
14:25Open
14:26Where already
14:27There is nothing.
14:27Yeah?
14:29Well
14:30The tradition
14:31One of the traditions
14:33Says
14:33That
14:34The only one
14:35Who was
14:37The apostle
14:38That he wasn't
14:39When
14:39It is presented
14:40For the first time
14:41Jesus
14:42With the apostles
14:43Thomas
14:45Well
14:46Well, the good
14:47Thomas
14:47He wasn't there either.
14:49When he died
14:49The Virgin
14:50TRUE?
14:53He left
14:54The plane
14:54Huh?
14:56He arrived late
14:57To the train
14:58And it had already happened
14:58Gone
14:59So Thomas
15:01It's not there
15:02When it arrives
15:03When he dies
15:05Our mother
15:06Most Holy
15:07And then
15:09He begs her
15:10To the apostles
15:12Tell him
15:13Where they put her
15:14And let them take them.
15:15To say goodbye
15:16Of
15:17Her
15:18TRUE?
15:19So
15:19Well
15:20Well, the apostles
15:21They carry
15:22TO
15:23To Thomas
15:24So that he can say goodbye
15:25It's not that I don't believe here.
15:26Because
15:27In this tradition
15:29The tradition
15:29From Jerusalem
15:30It's because of the Virgin
15:31Dies
15:32I mean
15:33The Virgin
15:33Dies
15:34And they bury her
15:35TRUE?
15:36And then
15:37Tomás arrives
15:38And she asks to see her.
15:39Then they go to the tomb
15:41They open it
15:42And the body is no longer there.
15:44TRUE?
15:45So
15:46It is called
15:47From Jerusalem
15:48Because
15:48It works perfectly.
15:50The parallelism
15:51Of Jesus
15:53Jesus
15:53That is buried
15:55And from the tomb
15:56Already
15:57Ascend to heaven
15:59And the only thing
16:00That we have
16:00It is a
16:01Grave
16:02Open
16:04And empty
16:06Okay?
16:07So
16:07That's why it's called
16:08The tradition
16:09From Jerusalem
16:10Which is the one that
16:11Accepts
16:12Inside
16:13Of
16:14These possibilities
16:16Death
16:17I mean
16:18Maria dies
16:19And then
16:20Rise again
16:22Okay?
16:23The tradition
16:25From Ephesus
16:26He says no.
16:27Maria was
16:28Asunta
16:30To heaven
16:30It is based
16:31In the text
16:32From Saint Paul
16:34In his letter
16:34To the Thessalonians
16:36Where
16:37Says
16:37Where it says
16:37That
16:38In the end
16:39From the times
16:40Those of us who are
16:41Alive
16:41Pablo says
16:42We will be
16:42Snatched
16:44In the air
16:45And we will be
16:45Taken
16:46Towards God
16:47It is based
16:48In that text
16:49To say
16:49She was the
16:50First
16:51What was
16:52Snatched away
16:53To heaven
16:53In body
16:54And soul
16:54Are
16:55The two
16:57Traditions
16:57Particularly
16:59I bow
17:00For Jerusalem
17:01That most
17:02Of the theologians
17:03It is the one that
17:04Well, accept it
17:06Although there are other theologians
17:07That they accept the other
17:08Because it has a foundation
17:09Biblical too
17:10But
17:11The majority
17:12Of the theologians
17:13They say
17:13Well
17:14If Christ
17:15The Son of God
17:17He suffered death
17:18And then he rose again
17:19Well, too
17:20Our Most Holy Mother
17:22He suffered death
17:23And then he rose again
17:25I mean
17:25It would be the transit
17:27Natural
17:28Of all human beings
17:29Jesus as a human being
17:31Dies
17:32And then he resurrects
17:33And Mary
17:34Which is also
17:35A human being
17:35Like us
17:36Dies
17:37And then he resurrects
17:38Likewise
17:40It will be us
17:41Nothing but her
17:41He did not know
17:42Corruption
17:44Like Christ
17:44She is
17:46Resurrected
17:47Immediately
17:48Well
17:48We don't know
17:49At what point
17:49And she is taken
17:51To heaven
17:51Now resurrected
17:52And this is
17:54The scene
17:55Again too
17:56Carried by the angels
17:58It does not rise
17:59By its own virtue
18:01If it isn't
18:02Carried by the angels
18:03But finally
18:04Dies
18:05And he rises again
18:06And from there
18:07It has been created
18:08All of this
18:08What is Tomás from?
18:09Well, someone had
18:10Someone had
18:11That not being
18:12And someone had
18:13What to order
18:13That they open the tomb
18:15So that they would realize
18:16That he wasn't
18:17TRUE?
18:18So, well
18:19Well, they took a chance.
18:20He was touched
18:21And it was Thomas's turn
18:21So, well
18:24Well, these are
18:25This is
18:26The tradition
18:27However
18:28So the topic is
18:30He's not here
18:31He has risen
18:33TRUE?
18:33There are no angels
18:34Let them say
18:35None of this
18:35But let's say
18:36That for the
18:37The disciples
18:39Well, it's not anymore
18:40One thing
18:41This strange
18:42Because his teacher
18:43Well, it happened
18:44Exactly
18:45The same
18:48How did I get back there?
18:49I don't know
18:50But
18:50I stung him
18:52Something here
18:53Oh well
18:53Very good
19:02We are here
19:02In both traditions
19:03So
19:04That's more or less it.
19:05How it ends
19:06This story a little bit
19:07TRUE?
19:09History
19:09Legend
19:11Traditions
19:12Etc
19:13Oh well
19:14It gives us
19:14A panoramic view
19:15How it's painted
19:17All of this
19:18And the conception
19:19That at a given moment
19:20We are beginning to understand
19:22On the subject
19:23Of the assumption
19:24Of our Most Holy Mother
19:26Let's go now
19:29Let's see.
19:29The icon
19:30There are, as I tell you
19:32Many
19:33Many icons
19:35But if you
19:35They fix
19:36All icons
19:38Have
19:38The same composition
19:41If you look closely
19:43Have
19:44The same composition
19:46Theological
19:47Our icon
19:48Our icon
19:50It's this icon
19:52Which is the one we have
19:53Here
19:53What is an icon?
19:56Of Theophanes
19:56Theophanes of Crete
19:58That was painted
19:59In 1546
20:00And it is found
20:01At the moment
20:02In the monastery
20:03Stavronikita
20:05In the mountains
20:06Atos
20:06In Greece
20:07If anyone
20:08If anyone goes
20:08I've already told you
20:09There are many there.
20:10Of the icons
20:11That we have been
20:12Reviewing
20:12If anyone
20:13You have the opportunity
20:14If we go there
20:15Well, don't miss out!
20:16To visit
20:17The mountain
20:18Atos
20:18So
20:19If you look closely
20:21For what right now
20:22He was saying
20:23Well, our icon
20:24It's an icon
20:25Classic
20:25The colors
20:27Ochres
20:28It doesn't have
20:29Many colors
20:31The yellow ones
20:32Different yellows
20:34The Reds
20:35The blacks
20:36TRUE
20:37Some blues
20:39AND
20:39If we saw
20:41The faces
20:41We would see that rather
20:42They seek to give us
20:43Expressions
20:44But we're not going to see
20:45Beautiful faces
20:46He lacks vision
20:48Of the painters
20:49Westerners
20:51What are they looking for?
20:51Make it look nice
20:52And a pretty nose
20:53AND
20:54Beautiful faces
20:55In the end
20:55Him
20:57That really
20:58Well, he's not interested.
21:00He's more interested in
21:01That we may pray
21:02That this
21:04As we said
21:06At first
21:07Well, one element
21:08Reading
21:09So
21:10What are we going to do?
21:11Let's read
21:11A bit
21:12This icon
21:13So that afterwards
21:14You
21:15If this is the icon
21:16That you
21:17At the given moment
21:17They will use it for prayer
21:19That we have
21:20Well, invited
21:21That
21:21Let it be nothing more
21:23Oh, how beautiful!
21:24The conversation took place
21:25And the icon
21:26And all
21:26No
21:26I mean
21:27This is a method
21:28Prayer
21:28This is all a new
21:30Shape
21:31Upon entering
21:32In contact
21:33With the mystery
21:33From God
21:34Through our
21:35Most Holy Mother
21:36Yeah
21:36That's why too
21:37Along
21:38From our
21:39Our development
21:40Well, we were watching
21:41Some icons
21:42They are not from Mary
21:44To see that
21:45All of this is a
21:46It is a path
21:47Prayer
21:48That's what it was called
21:49This cycle
21:50The iconography
21:51A path
21:52Towards prayer
21:53So
21:54This is
21:55The icon
21:56We're going
21:56To be reviewed
21:58For a start
21:59The position
22:00Of the Virgin
22:00Always speak
22:01From being asleep
22:02Death
22:03She had no possession of it
22:04The victory
22:05I mean
22:05If he died
22:07Or he didn't die
22:07Really
22:08What he wants to tell us
22:09The icon
22:10The thing is
22:11She
22:12TRUE?
22:13He is always
22:14Viva
22:15TRUE?
22:15I mean
22:16She
22:16He does not die
22:17She is asleep
22:19She is not dead
22:21I mean
22:22Death
22:22It's a topic
22:23That we have
22:25What to remove
22:26From our mind
22:27I mean
22:28We don't die
22:29We never die
22:30There are also
22:30A transit
22:31That we
22:32It's a transit
22:33Different
22:33Our body
22:35Stay here
22:36But
22:37The soul
22:38She remains alive
22:39There is traffic
22:40Different
22:40So
22:41That's why
22:42In many of the sentences
22:44When they are done
22:45The funeral
22:46It is being talked about
22:47He's not dead
22:48She is asleep
22:49He is waiting
22:50Let Jesus come
22:51Let's wake up
22:53It's an idea
22:54We have to leave
22:55Putting on the head
22:57About what
22:58Life
22:59It doesn't end
23:00And then
23:01That's why
23:01The iconographer
23:02He intends to put it like that
23:04If you look closely
23:05Herein
23:05In this one here
23:06That's why I chose
23:07This one is even
23:08Half raised
23:10I mean
23:10How do we put
23:11To the people
23:12That are
23:12Delicate
23:13TRUE?
23:14Raised
23:15But that is
23:16He is resting
23:17This
23:18In this position
23:20TRUE?
23:21The Mother of God
23:23In his dormancy
23:24Clothed in her purple robe
23:26We've talked
23:26Of the colors
23:27TRUE?
23:28Purple cloak
23:29What does it tell us?
23:30From life
23:31Human
23:32TRUE?
23:33She is a human
23:34And in this case
23:35We see that it has
23:37Yeah
23:38They remember
23:38The first one we saw
23:39His clothing is blue
23:41TRUE?
23:42Because?
23:43Because it's the combination
23:45From this participation
23:47In the mystery of God
23:48The blue
23:49It represents
23:50The sky
23:50The red
23:51It represents
23:52The land
23:52We've talked
23:53From the representation
23:55Of the colors
23:56Within the
23:57Iconography
23:58And also
23:59An important detail
24:00That this icon
24:01Has
24:02That does not have
24:03The one we
24:04Let's review
24:05Here
24:06The iconographer
24:07He put
24:08The three stars
24:11We talked about them
24:13In our icon
24:14Past
24:15And we remember
24:16What is participation?
24:17From Mary
24:17In the mystery
24:19Trinitarian
24:19We were saying
24:20That Mary
24:21It is the only creature
24:23That has a relationship
24:24Completely
24:26Particular with the
24:27Trinity
24:28She is the father's daughter
24:29Wife of the spirit
24:31And mother of the son
24:32Something that we...
24:34We are only
24:35Children of the Father
24:36Yeah?
24:37So
24:37Everything else
24:39Well, it's
24:40It is a prerogative
24:41Unique of her
24:43Because she is
24:44The real one
24:45Mother
24:45From the verb
24:46So
24:47The iconographers
24:48They have searched
24:49Continuously
24:50To make this mention
24:52From the relationship
24:53So deep
24:54That has
24:55Maria
24:56With
24:57The Trinity
24:58When we
24:59We pray over the icon
25:00And we stop
25:01In this part
25:02Well, our mind
25:04It rises
25:04Towards these mysteries
25:06From the relationship
25:07What's up?
25:07Between Mary
25:08And the Holy Trinity
25:10To the center
25:14Of course
25:15From the icon
25:16TRUE?
25:17Well, there's Christ
25:18That appears
25:19In his arms
25:20The Virgin
25:20Like a child
25:21It's heaven
25:23That welcomes the earth
25:24The son
25:25What makes a mother
25:26Sharer in the glory
25:28The divinity
25:29That receives
25:30To heaven
25:31In the sky
25:32Humanity
25:33So we have here
25:34As
25:35Jesus
25:38It's in the center
25:39If you look closely
25:40He is the central figure
25:42If we
25:42We trace
25:43Remember
25:43Also what
25:44We saw
25:45As the iconographer
25:46Trace
25:47A center
25:50Perfect
25:50And right in the center
25:52We're going to find
25:53The mystery
25:54TRUE?
25:55To Christ
25:56With the Virgin
25:57TRUE?
25:58Right in the center
25:59Of the entire icon
26:00This
26:01The element
26:02Fundamental
26:03Christ
26:05That sustains
26:05To Mary
26:06Because like a child
26:08Because he speaks
26:09Of purity
26:10Of innocence
26:11Of what
26:13All that
26:13Jesus spoke
26:14About children
26:15The soul of Mary
26:17That's right.
26:17It is the soul
26:18From a child
26:19It's pure
26:20Holy
26:20Perfect
26:21And she represents it
26:23Or the iconographer
26:24She has presented it
26:26Like a child
26:27Even
26:27A child
26:28In diapers
26:29Well
26:29It's wrapped
26:30How would they be wrapped?
26:32The children
26:33Even still
26:35Well, whoever they are
26:36From cold places
26:37TRUE?
26:38They make them like tamales
26:40TRUE?
26:40They all get wrapped up
26:41And also
26:42They put their hands on them
26:43Among the
26:44Rags
26:45There so that it can't be done
26:45To be scratching
26:46Because they see that they have
26:47The little nails
26:48Very sharp
26:49So
26:50I don't know
26:51How could we be
26:52So, all mixed up like that
26:53Oh well
26:54That's how we
26:54That's how they mistreated us
26:56And well
26:59Well, we have
26:59To the center
27:00From the icon
27:01Have
27:02To Jesus
27:03That sustains
27:04To Mary Most Holy
27:06In the arms
27:08Is
27:08Paradoxical
27:09TRUE?
27:10The relationship
27:11What's up?
27:12In this situation
27:13To be
27:14The Virgin
27:15Here
27:16In relation
27:17With everyone else
27:18Your part
27:18Earthly
27:19As you can see
27:20Also
27:21In this
27:21I mean
27:22He does not have the garment
27:23But it has
27:25The color red
27:27From the bed
27:28From the bed
27:30TRUE?
27:31If you look closely
27:31It is also
27:32Raised
27:33TRUE?
27:34But since it's an icon
27:35Older
27:35Still the third dimension
27:37No
27:38It's not there
27:38He's not interested
27:39Look for
27:40The topic
27:41From the third dimension
27:42So that it can be seen
27:43As in the other
27:43Where it looks more inclined
27:44But here
27:45This curvature
27:46He tells us
27:47That the Virgin
27:48It's not flat
27:49She's not dead
27:50You see, that's what we
27:51Identify the dead person
27:52Already
27:53Lifeless
27:54No
27:54Here it is
27:55Raised
27:57He does not have the garment
27:59He does not have the red robe
28:00But it has
28:00The red bed
28:02Because it has to say
28:04Always related
28:05With the land
28:06Mary is human
28:08Yeah
28:09I mean
28:09He is not a divine being
28:10She is human
28:12And that's why
28:12And that's why
28:12She does not present it
28:14With this bed
28:15So to speak
28:17This bed
28:18Red
28:19Jesus is taking
28:21To the girl
28:22The soul of Mary
28:24Not like I would
28:25A mother
28:26But as if
28:27He was
28:28Showing everyone
28:29What God can do
28:31With all my soul
28:31That is left
28:32Model
28:34We see here
28:35To Mary
28:37That she is presenting it
28:39Let's see it
28:40There it is
28:42AND
28:43An approach
28:45From this icon
28:47He presents us
28:48To the Virgin
28:49TRUE?
28:50But she's introducing it to you
28:51Not like
28:52Just like the mother would
28:53Hugging her
28:54Just look
28:55As if to say
28:56Look
28:56What God can do
28:58With a soul
28:59That is left
29:00Model
29:01I don't know
29:01As a presentation
29:03That's what God can do.
29:04With you too
29:05If you too
29:06You let yourself go like Maria
29:07Model
29:08Then he enters
29:09All this paper
29:10Imitative
29:11Where Maria
29:12It is presented
29:13Like the model
29:15We have another one
29:16I mean
29:17In all
29:18The same thing appears
29:20I've searched
29:21In which it manifests
29:23More clearly
29:24As I tell you
29:24They are all
29:25This
29:26Based on the
29:28Theophanes of Crete
29:29TRUE?
29:30But
29:30Some present it
29:32A little better
29:33And well
29:33It was the images
29:35That I chose
29:36To illustrate
29:37This topic
29:38On the other hand
29:40We can observe
29:41The unit
29:42Of the mystery
29:43Of Mary and Jesus
29:44Highlighted
29:45Because of the frame
29:45Of angels
29:46That in adoration
29:47Veneration
29:48They welcome
29:49The mystery
29:50From the unit
29:50We have here
29:52Los Angeles
29:53That frame
29:56The mystery
29:58Los Angeles
30:00Los Angeles
30:00That frame
30:03It is the only element
30:04That it comes out
30:05From the painting
30:06Yes, I mean
30:07It's for
30:08Show us
30:10That this
30:10Is
30:12One unit
30:14Yeah
30:15In the unit
30:16This
30:17Jesus
30:18And Mary
30:20Like
30:21We were talking
30:22You can't
30:23Separate
30:24It is only one
30:24It is only one
30:25Mystery
30:26And this
30:27The iconographer
30:29It presents
30:30Creating
30:30This framework
30:31Where we see
30:32To the angels
30:34That are
30:35Worshipping
30:36To Christ
30:37And venerating
30:38To our
30:38Most Holy Mother
30:39The mystery
30:41From the
30:41Incarnation
30:43When we
30:44We separated
30:45The mystery
30:46Of the incarnation
30:47So then
30:48We get lost
30:49Because we no longer know.
30:50Who is Christ?
30:51And we don't know either.
30:53Who is our
30:54Most Holy Mother
30:55Then the iconographer
30:57He doesn't want to lose it.
30:58From a point of view
30:59And that's why
31:00Presents
31:01To the center
31:01From the painting
31:02When we get back
31:02To put
31:03The painting
31:04Complete
31:04I'm going to do
31:05So that they can see it
31:06We already said so
31:07How are you
31:08Precisely
31:09To the center
31:10Of the entire painting
31:11This
31:12The mystery
31:13Of the incarnation
31:14The mystery
31:15Of Christ
31:16And of Mary
31:17That once
31:18That joins
31:19In the incarnation
31:20Stay united
31:21For all
31:22Eternity
31:23Maria
31:25In our icon
31:26She is taken to heaven
31:27We noticed
31:29The posture
31:31That has
31:32It's a stance
31:34Of humility
31:36Of simplicity
31:37TRUE?
31:38This is
31:39The humble slave
31:40From the Lord
31:40Yeah?
31:42I mean
31:42It's the natural gesture
31:44With which
31:45The iconographers
31:46I mean
31:46Or like theology
31:48Always recognize
31:49To our
31:49Most Holy Mother
31:50When we
31:51We're carrying this
31:52Now to the painting
31:54Western
31:55We're going to find
31:56In all
31:57A position
31:58What does that have to do with it?
31:59Rather
32:00With glorification
32:01From God
32:02And a stance
32:03Rather
32:03Of triumphalism
32:04Again
32:06Los Angeles
32:06Bringing our
32:07Most Holy Mother
32:08As shown here
32:10But if you look closely
32:11Now
32:12Although they are
32:13The colors
32:14Present
32:14From the land
32:16And from heaven
32:17As it
32:17We've been saying it.
32:19But the stance
32:20And if we saw
32:21Well, the face
32:21Of the Virgin
32:22With joy
32:24With joy
32:25Of exultation
32:25Of praise
32:26While
32:27In the icon
32:28Traditional
32:29He wants to show us
32:30Rather
32:31Theology
32:32Of humility
32:33Here
32:34The Lord's servant
32:35And that's why
32:36God has looked
32:38Humiliation
32:38From his slave
32:39And she has exalted her
32:41Because he has looked
32:43Humiliation
32:44From his slave
32:45So
32:46This is theology
32:47Biblical
32:48This
32:49It is already a theology
32:51A bit
32:52Different
32:53Where
32:53Rather
32:54We must glorify
32:55Bye
32:56Maria
32:57In a
32:58What is it that
32:58We are going to present
33:00Normally
33:01If you look closely
33:02It no longer appears
33:03It no longer appears
33:04Jesus
33:04Something that in everyone
33:05The icons
33:06It always appears
33:07We cannot
33:08Separate
33:09The mysteries
33:10So
33:10I wanted to highlight
33:12Like here
33:13In painting
33:14Have
33:15To Mary
33:16So
33:17Go up
33:18To heaven
33:19She is taken
33:19By the angels
33:20But it is
33:21In a position
33:22Always
33:22Of humility
33:24When we are
33:24Reading it
33:25When we are
33:26Praying
33:27In the icon
33:28Well, again
33:29We can enter
33:30In this invitation
33:32That makes us
33:33God
33:33To live
33:34In humility
33:35In being
33:36Like her
33:36Here
33:37The slave
33:37From the Lord
33:38We are always
33:39To do
33:40His will
33:41However
33:43However
33:43Of course
33:44That in the paintings
33:45In iconography
33:46Modern
33:46Well, nobody
33:47You are watching
33:48That
33:48Here's what
33:49We are interested
33:50They are the faces
33:51Of the angels
33:52The forms
33:53From the arms
33:54From the legs
33:56The attitude
33:57From Mary
33:57The hands
33:58The colors
33:59In the end
33:59That's what I would do.
34:00That you
34:01At an exhibition
34:02You decided
34:03Buy it
34:04Nobody
34:06I would buy
34:07This icon
34:07I wouldn't pay
34:08Big deal
34:10Therefore
34:10Because
34:11No, it's
34:13It's weird.
34:13There's this story
34:14When I went
34:18Let's buy
34:20These icons
34:21There in the United States
34:22Say
34:22In Rome
34:24There is a center
34:25Of spirituality
34:26Eastern
34:27And that's where they sell it.
34:29Well, lots of icons
34:30I bought them
34:32On paper
34:32They can buy
34:34In this
34:35Already in the painting stage
34:38TRUE?
34:39I mean
34:39Already in the painting stage
34:40As well as
34:40Those of us who have here
34:41That we have been offering
34:42Well, those are the ones.
34:43They cost a fortune
34:44But
34:45The
34:46The paper ones
34:47I brought them with me.
34:48More or less
34:49That size
34:49Well, they cost
34:50More or less
34:51About three or four euros
34:52TRUE?
34:55But go and ask.
34:56For one of these
34:57By another painter
34:58And he's going to tell you
34:58What does it cost you?
34:59A fortune
35:00I mean
35:00We like it more
35:02Another type
35:03Paint
35:04Another type
35:04Because we are Westerners
35:06That's why I felt
35:07Very important
35:08To understand this spirituality
35:10Because I was telling them
35:11When I met her
35:12Well, I was fascinated.
35:13TRUE?
35:14And really
35:15I learned a lot
35:16From this
35:16How truly
35:18It can be read
35:19An icon
35:20And how can we
35:21Well, to delve deeper
35:22Our prayer
35:23Obviously
35:23To do
35:24This work
35:25Well, I had to read
35:25Much more
35:26In order to enrich myself
35:28And be able to pass them on
35:28A little more
35:29Information
35:30To all of you
35:31The whole church
35:33Venerate in heaven
35:34And on earth
35:35To our most holy mother
35:37We have on the side
35:39From the icon
35:40Have
35:41To the whole church
35:43Here you can see
35:43Bishops
35:45Potatoes
35:45And the apostles
35:47TRUE?
35:48The same on the other side
35:50We would have
35:50Other clergymen
35:52And also
35:53We would have
35:54To the church
35:56I mean
35:57The whole church
35:58Love Mary
36:00The whole church
36:01He worships him
36:02We'll talk in a bit.
36:03A little more
36:03About the
36:04Expressions
36:05What do they have there?
36:06Directly
36:07About our icon
36:08But also
36:09The Church of Heaven
36:11And then
36:12In the icon
36:13We can see
36:13The entire part of the sky
36:15How the angels
36:17They are also
36:18Stay tuned for the mystery
36:20Even now
36:21We'll see how
36:22The painter
36:23He has associated
36:24Still
36:25We don't know
36:26A prophet
36:27Or someone
36:28He's already in heaven
36:29It has opened
36:31The sky
36:31If you see
36:33It's open
36:34The sky
36:35And the angels
36:36And the angels
36:36They are showing him
36:37The mystery
36:38The recap
36:40Of the mystery
36:41This is
36:42As we know
36:43She is the only one
36:44Resurrected
36:45They
36:46Well, they wouldn't be
36:47Resurrected
36:48And they show them
36:49That's what it will be like
36:50Okay
36:52I mean
36:52They open
36:53A window
36:54From a window
36:54In the sky
36:54So you can see
36:55That moment
36:56Of the assumption
36:57Saint Bernard
36:59When he speaks
36:59From the day
37:00Says
37:00And the entire universe
37:02It is awaiting
37:06Waiting for your reply
37:08Maria is part of it
37:11Of a mystery
37:12Fundamental
37:13In history
37:14Of salvation
37:15Without her
37:16There would not have been
37:17Nothing built
37:17From what we have
37:18So
37:19Here
37:20The iconographer
37:22He wants to recap
37:23Opening
37:24A window
37:25In the sky
37:25For everyone
37:26Those who are already
37:27In the sky
37:27To show them
37:28The end of the mystery
37:30It will be like that too
37:31The recap
37:32Of all of us
37:34So
37:34Both the church
37:36From the sky
37:36Like the church
37:37From the land
37:38They are paying attention
37:39In this mystery
37:40What is the mystery?
37:41Fundamental
37:42From our ending
37:43From history
37:44All of us
37:46We're going to have
37:47An ending
37:47Just like Maria's
37:48So
37:50Obviously
37:50Well, the whole church
37:51He wants to know
37:52What's happening
37:53And it will happen
37:55That's how it's happening
37:57With our
37:58Most Holy Mother
37:59So
37:59The church
38:00Also represented
38:01We've seen it before.
38:02In other icons
38:04When the iconographer
38:05He wants to represent
38:06The church
38:07It puts us
38:07Some little houses
38:08They remember
38:09It is the
38:10The oikia
38:11I mean
38:12The house
38:12What does it represent?
38:14Well, the house
38:15On Earth
38:16What is
38:16The church
38:17And it puts it
38:18From both sides
38:19From both sides
38:21We have these little houses
38:22And they're going to see them
38:23In all icons
38:25Of the assumption
38:26Of the Virgin
38:26All these elements
38:28They're in all the icons.
38:30One way or another
38:32Some add
38:33A few things
38:34Or they remove them from other places.
38:35But the fundamentals
38:36What are these?
38:37What am I explaining?
38:38They are present throughout the iconography.
38:40Which refers to
38:41To the mystery
38:42Traffic
38:43Of the assumption
38:44Of the Blessed Virgin Mary
38:46To heaven
38:47The mother
38:49He has left
38:50To heaven
38:50The apostles
38:51They cry
38:52His absence
38:52They venerate her
38:53And they want her.
38:54Keep listening
38:55Here we see
38:57Ordinarily
38:58This garment
39:00It represents
39:01Generally
39:02To Pedro
39:02And the one who is
39:03Back
39:04The young man
39:05It will always be
39:06Juan
39:07To the right
39:09It has also
39:10Represented
39:11To Pablo
39:12That is to say
39:13All the apostles
39:15They came
39:15At this moment
39:17In which
39:18The story ends
39:19Of salvation
39:20To whom
39:21The first
39:22The first member
39:23Of our race
39:25She is taken to heaven
39:26That's how we'll all be.
39:27So, like,
39:28The whole church
39:30It has to be there
39:31Seeing
39:31How it ends
39:32This story
39:33Because history
39:34It didn't end
39:35With the
39:35With the ascension
39:37Of Jesus
39:37And the coming
39:38Of the Holy Spirit
39:39That was
39:40One part
39:41Important
39:42That determines
39:43The next one
39:45Which is ours
39:46I mean
39:47The story
39:48Of salvation
39:49It ends
39:49When everyone
39:51Men
39:51From this land
39:52They have finished
39:53His walk
39:54And all this
39:55As it says
39:56Finally
39:56Saint Paul
39:57Well, everything
39:58It has been consumed
39:59Through the fire
40:00And then
40:00We will all be
40:01Just one thing
40:02In God
40:02In the sky
40:03So we have
40:04Here to the apostles
40:06Pablo
40:07Peter
40:08Juan
40:09And well
40:09We don't know who else
40:10Here
40:10And we see
40:12Like Paul
40:13And Peter
40:14They seem to be getting closer
40:16According to the interpretations
40:17That I was reading
40:18As if they wanted to
40:19Keep listening
40:20Maria was the advisor
40:22There's a movie
40:23That I started to see
40:24And I'm not finished.
40:25To see
40:25From Mary
40:27Which presents us
40:29This relationship
40:29What lies between
40:30The apostles
40:31And Mary
40:31Where they
40:33People ask him for a lot of advice.
40:34Because she is his mother
40:35And suddenly
40:37They doubt
40:37And suddenly
40:38They have problems
40:39And they always run
40:40Towards Mary
40:40And Maria always
40:42With that serenity
40:43It reminds them
40:44What was I saying?
40:46the Lord
40:47And so
40:50Return again
40:52But what was I saying?
40:53the Lord
40:53Maria never says
40:56None of it
40:57It always comes back to us.
40:59Well
41:00And what does God say?
41:00From this
41:01What did Jesus tell you?
41:02Well
41:04That little step
41:06From the scene
41:06It's really cool
41:07They are all lost
41:08They don't know what to do
41:09Peter
41:09He doesn't know either
41:11And he tells her
41:12Maria
41:13What did he tell them?
41:14the Lord
41:15So that we would go
41:17To Galilee
41:18Then go to Galilee
41:21It's easy for us
41:26Us
41:27When we read
41:28The stories
41:29Because we already know
41:29The endings
41:30But
41:32To the people
41:33When he lived
41:34All of this
41:34They are crises
41:36Truly serious
41:38TRUE?
41:38I mean
41:38Ah, the Lord has already left.
41:40And so
41:40No no
41:41I mean
41:41This has
41:43A human impact
41:45Deep
41:46TRUE?
41:47I mean
41:47What are we going to do?
41:48That
41:49What's up with this?
41:50Imagine that suddenly
41:51They're putting them in.
41:52In a mystery
41:53That surpasses them
41:54No?
41:54Like when we talk
41:55Of the incarnation
41:56Oh, so you're going to conceive.
41:58And you're going to give one
41:58Ah, okay.
41:59Well
42:00Say hi to God for me
42:01Hey?
42:03Well no
42:04I mean
42:05That's not the case.
42:06I mean
42:07What went through his mind?
42:08In his heart
42:09I mean
42:10Doubts
42:11Questions
42:11Internal
42:12So
42:14Here's the iconographer
42:15Says
42:16They want to continue
42:17Listening to a voice
42:19Not anymore either
42:20They're going to listen
42:20And look
42:21The sad face
42:23De Pedro
42:23And from John
42:25Yeah?
42:26I mean
42:27They're not pretty
42:28They reflect
42:29Expressions
42:31Yeah?
42:32They reflect
42:32Expressions
42:33If you look closely
42:35Now down here
42:36While here
42:37They want to continue
42:37Listening
42:38The rest
42:39Of the apostles
42:40Are
42:41In a position
42:43Of veneration
42:45So
42:46We're not going to do it anymore.
42:47Hear
42:48We are sad
42:49But
42:50They already recognize
42:51If you look closely
42:52Here are her little hands
42:53TRUE?
42:54Are
42:54In a posture
42:55Of veneration
42:57We are not talking about worship.
42:58Let only God be read
42:59But
43:00Venerating
43:01The Most Holy Body
43:02From our mother
43:04And well then
43:09She is
43:12The chosen one
43:14The always
43:15Virgin
43:16The Mother of God
43:17And if you look closely
43:19The angel
43:21Or the angels
43:22Are
43:23Precisely
43:25Indicating that
43:26No?
43:26I mean
43:27Look
43:28Yeah?
43:29Look
43:30Observe
43:31They opened the sky
43:32And he's introducing them
43:34Los Angeles
43:36They are presenting them
43:37To all the saints
43:39From the sky
43:40They are being introduced
43:41The central mystery
43:43From the Christian life
43:44What is the incarnation?
43:46From the verb
43:46TRUE?
43:48And that unites
43:49In a way
43:50Total and definitive
43:51To the Virgin
43:52Both
43:53Resurrected
43:56Yeah?
43:57The mystery
43:58Of the incarnation
43:59It ends with the
44:00Resurrection
44:01Of humanity
44:02That is received
44:03For the same reason
44:04Christ
44:05In the sky
44:06AND
44:07All the angels
44:09If you look closely
44:10All expressions
44:11Of the angels
44:12They're talking
44:13With these people
44:14And they are showing them
44:16Look at the hands
44:17They are showing them
44:18Towards the center
44:19The mystery
44:21Of Christ
44:22She
44:23Is
44:24The chosen one
44:25That's why
44:26When we hear
44:27That no
44:28Well, the Virgin Mary
44:29Not even if I am
44:30Christian
44:31I love Christ
44:32And well
44:32The Virgin
44:33She is the mother
44:34From God
44:35But
44:35Well, that's it.
44:37But
44:38He already disqualified you
44:39Gachamente
44:40TRUE?
44:40Because
44:41You haven't understood.
44:43Absolutely
44:44Nothing
44:44Of the mystery
44:46From God
44:46And of the mystery
44:48Of salvation
44:49So
44:49She is chosen
44:51The ever-virgin
44:52The Mother of God
44:54And with that
44:54Well, we've said it.
44:56All
44:56No?
44:57I mean
44:57She is
44:58Yeah?
44:59So
44:59All of us
45:02We also have
45:03To focus
45:04And focus
45:05Our attention
45:06To this mystery
45:08We wanted
45:09Along
45:09Of these
45:11Meetings
45:12Well, start focusing
45:14And to realize
45:15That Maria
45:16It truly is
45:17Someone important
45:18Of the one we have
45:19What to talk about
45:20And that this
45:21Talking about her
45:22It's going to take us
45:22To know
45:23The mystery
45:24From God
45:25And from there
45:26The mystery
45:27From our own
45:28Redemption
45:28Yeah
45:29She is
45:30As it says
45:31The father
45:33Laurentin
45:35TRUE?
45:36The father says
45:38René Laurentín
45:39Says
45:40She is
45:41The key
45:42Of interpretation
45:43From theology
45:45Christian
45:45If we want
45:47Understand
45:48Our mystery
45:49Mystery
45:51Of man
45:51Anthropology
45:52We need to see
45:54What did he think?
45:55God
45:55Of man
45:56And we see it
45:57In the Virgin
45:57If we want to know
45:59What is the action
46:00From God
46:01Through the spirit
46:03Pulmonology
46:04We need to see
46:05How it works
46:06In the Virgin
46:07If we want
46:08Understanding the mystery
46:10Of our salvation
46:11Soteriology
46:12We need to see
46:13How he saved her
46:14To the Virgin
46:15If we want
46:17Understand
46:18The mysteries
46:19Well, he left us
46:21A model
46:21That's why he calls him
46:22The key
46:23Of interpretation
46:24In fact
46:25That's what it's called
46:26A book
46:27Absolutely gorgeous
46:28They can achieve it
46:29Probably on Amazon
46:30I don't know if they have it here
46:32It's a book
46:32Originally in French
46:35The key
46:37Mystery
46:38Cretian
46:39It's called in French
46:40They translated it
46:41To Spanish
46:42It's also available in English.
46:43They will be able to get it
46:44Also
46:45A book
46:45Great
46:47From the father
46:48René
46:49Laventan
46:49What does it tell us?
46:52Precisely
46:53Of all the elements
46:55From theology
46:57And like Mary
46:58He comes to show us
47:00In its mystery
47:02Our own mystery
47:04In all areas
47:05A truly
47:07Beautiful
47:08You'll see
47:09It's not even
47:10It's not very thick
47:10He doesn't write much.
47:12Because there isn't much to say
47:13Much to show
47:14But
47:15Well
47:16With that
47:16That's pretty clear to us.
47:18That God
47:20He chose
47:20To a woman
47:22To show us
47:23Us
47:23The path
47:25And that's why
47:26Well
47:27He said
47:28Well
47:30They said it
47:30Different saints
47:32TRUE?
47:32But mainly
47:33Luis María
47:34Monfort
47:36TRUE?
47:37Says
47:38The shortest path
47:40And safer
47:41To reach Christ
47:43It's Maria
47:44TRUE?
47:47So
47:47Luis María Grignon
47:48De Monfort
47:49Give that phrase
47:51Other saints have said it
47:52But it's his.
47:53And it's true
47:54So
47:55If we want
47:56Growing in our relationship
47:57God be with you.
47:58The shortest path
48:00And safer
48:01It will always be
48:02Our Mother
48:03Most Holy
48:04And I wanted to finish
48:06With this
48:06Absolutely gorgeous
48:07Absolutely gorgeous
48:08Absolutely gorgeous
48:09Chart
48:11By Botticelli
48:12Yes, too.
48:13Renaissance
48:14Already
48:15Online
48:17Not from the iconography
48:18But from the painting
48:19And so
48:20I tell you
48:20A painting
48:22Absolutely gorgeous
48:23For contemplation
48:24We can't here
48:25View details
48:26What we were watching
48:27This is for viewing
48:28On the whole
48:29Here we are
48:30Well, they can see
48:31All the
48:32Colors
48:33TRUE?
48:34Jesus
48:34Here in heaven
48:37Crowning his mother
48:38All the apostles
48:40All Saints
48:41From the sky
48:42We see here
48:43What it says
48:44Saint Paul
48:44That in heaven
48:45Well, there are
48:46Different levels
48:47From the sky
48:48So
48:48All levels
48:49From the sky
48:50Pointing towards
48:51The highest
48:52And she was taken
48:52To the top
48:54From the heavens
48:54And on the other hand
48:56We see it this way
48:56As if it had opened
48:57It's beautiful.
48:58This painting
48:59By Botticelli
48:59TRUE?
49:00I mean
49:00We see here
49:01Already
49:01Now yes
49:02In a painting
49:03That already has
49:04Dimensions
49:05Well, we see
49:06We can see
49:06How to do it
49:07Well, a hole
49:08To put it
49:09Somehow
49:10A hole is made
49:11In the sky
49:13And there
49:14In a third dimension
49:15We would be
49:16Seeing
49:17Towards the back
49:18No?
49:18Towards the top
49:19From the heavens
49:20And there we would be seeing
49:21The coronation
49:22Of the Virgin Mary
49:23While the apostles
49:25Again
49:26Translation
49:27The tradition
49:28From Jerusalem
49:28The open tomb
49:30And instead
49:31Of the Virgin
49:32Flowers
49:33TRUE?
49:34And well
49:34Well, here are the apostles
49:36A little bit as a sign
49:37Bewildered
49:38Very much in line
49:39From when Jesus
49:41Ascends
49:41TRUE?
49:42That they stayed
49:43Without knowing exactly
49:44What's going on?
49:45No?
49:46Then beautiful
49:47This painting
49:48It's not a painting
49:49For contemplation
49:51It's not a painting
49:52To read
49:52It's a painting
49:54For contemplation
49:55Her beauty
49:56TRUE?
49:57But we can
49:58Contemplate
49:59In all its splendor
50:00And in all its beauty
50:01Because we already saw
50:02We already knew
50:04The mystery
50:04From the
50:05Traffic
50:06Of the Assumption
50:07And now we can
50:08To contemplate it
50:09Regardless
50:11Now that it's over
50:12A beautiful painting
50:12Beautiful
50:13Made by the main
50:14Renaissance authors
50:16Or modern
50:17TRUE?
50:18Now we understand
50:19All this is better
50:21And we can
50:22Well, let's delve in
50:23In a spiritual moment
50:24With each one
50:25Of these paintings
50:26So that's the idea
50:28TRUE?
50:28That the paintings
50:29In our homes
50:30Don't just be
50:31Decorative objects
50:33But truly
50:34Express
50:35A spirituality
50:36That we
50:37We lived personally
50:38And in our homes
50:40Let them be places
50:41Where one can pray
50:42Where each
50:43In every corner
50:45May you have a moment
50:46For reflection
50:47Reunion
50:48Something that is
50:49Continuously
50:50Motivating the mystery
50:51Inside me
50:53And well then
50:54That's how we got here
50:55At the end of this cycle
50:56I thank you.
50:58From everyone
50:59The team of
50:59Active Vention
51:00Your participation
51:02I ask you
51:04I mean, hopefully
51:05AND
51:06Well, all this
51:09Share it
51:10TRUE?
51:10Let's not stay
51:12Nothing more with
51:13Having come
51:15And to have met
51:16And how beautiful!
51:16But then
51:18Let's share all of this
51:20With our loved ones
51:22Let them get home
51:23To talk to the husband
51:25To the children
51:25At the coffee meeting
51:27With friends
51:28In the end
51:29This
51:29That it
51:30May you be able
51:32Enter
51:32In this mystery
51:35From the iconography
51:37Let them be bought
51:38An icon
51:39Little one
51:40Huge
51:40In fabric
51:41Not made of fabric
51:42But that
51:42Well, let them practice it.
51:44Man
51:45Of all the ones we've seen
51:47Some will like
51:48And so
51:49Do this exercise
51:50At home
51:50TRUE?
51:51Put it facing forward
51:52Put on
51:53Seated
51:54Or on your knees
51:54In the end
51:55Look for that which really
51:58This be
51:58An instrument
52:00To enter
52:00To the mystery
52:02And not only that
52:03To have more
52:03Intellectual knowledge
52:05That the truth
52:06Little by little
52:07It will be useful to us
52:08An instrument
52:09An instrument
52:13An instrument
52:14Thanks for watching the video.