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00:09:02The Night of the Prophecies
00:09:09They can anticipate events and predict the future, what is about to happen.
00:09:15Incidentally, Carmen, Nostradamus, Michel de Notre Dame, the most famous prophet of all time,
00:09:20They say that where he was undoubtedly right was in his own death, in the most dramatic prophecy.
00:09:24There are many prophecies by Nostradamus that have been interpreted over the years,
00:09:29But what no one can deny is that he gave the exact date of his death, the day he was going to
00:09:34to die and so it was fulfilled.
00:09:36You have to be a bit of a doomsayer even to give that date, because he knew perfectly well when he was going to die and
00:09:44under what circumstances.
00:09:46And apparently, according to what they said, all the people around them were exactly as they appeared.
00:09:52the events.
00:09:54People who predict their own death well in advance. Is it possible?
00:09:57Well, there's a case that the explorer of this house, our dear friend Jesús Calleja, has done, as you know,
00:10:03extreme challenge.
00:10:04Sister Program, I can say that, right? With Cuarto Milenio.
00:10:07Jesus, welcome.
00:10:08We are sisters, we are sisters.
00:10:10What a joy to have you here!
00:10:11Well, it's difficult to have me here, because I'm, to be honest, all day long, as you know, I have a big villa,
00:10:16It's a tent, and I move it around to different places.
00:10:21Nomadic chalet?
00:10:22Well, I live in a chalet made of one and a half square meters of fabric, eight months a year.
00:10:27Jesus told me, "Listen, I have to tell you some things about the strange prophets, from a place I want us to talk about."
00:10:34present, from the map, from the globe, a place where there are people you have met, that what we were saying about
00:10:40Nostradamus, who is so far removed from us, puts it into practice.
00:10:43In other words, they can predict their own death, and I don't know if they can predict the death of others.
00:10:46In Nepal there is a valley, the Okumbo Valley of the Sun, the valley where the Sherpas live, the famous Sherpas who
00:10:52They climb mountains.
00:10:54Well, there are a number of monks, lamas, and teachers there who practice Lamaist Buddhism, which is quite different.
00:11:00of other types of Buddhism.
00:11:02They have a number of powers that allow them to predict the future, divine your past, and give wise advice.
00:11:12That's what they say.
00:11:14Our view is very skeptical.
00:11:16We always start from the idea that we never believe anything.
00:11:19I'm quite skeptical about these kinds of things, but really, when you're with them and go to their monasteries,
00:11:25Perhaps the situation or the place where you are influences you.
00:11:29It's amazing what they're able to say about your life, what they're able to guess and...
00:11:36how they do it.
00:11:37And there's something else that's very important to me: you don't pay them there, there's no money, there's no
00:11:42There's nothing behind the scenes that you can say, 'These guys are trained, they know how to do it,' or not.
00:11:46It is true that there is a lineage of these lamas who set an exact date, that is, an expiration date for the soul.
00:11:51They know in some way that they are going to die at some point.
00:11:55This is real.
00:11:55Look, there, I repeat again that it's important for me not to think that I created everything myself, but really they,
00:12:04I have known a person, a lama in Haddad, in this valley, who had been a personal painter
00:12:11The Dalai Lama, as you know, is the great Dalai Lama, he is the most important figure for these monks, for Buddhists.
00:12:18And he voluntarily requested to be relieved of his very high positions; he's like a minister, a minister,
00:12:25And he went to Haddad in Jodaran Sala, which is the little Tibet where they live now, he went to Haddad.
00:12:30He requested a monastery, and within that monastery he was the prior of that monastery.
00:12:33And then, at almost 80 years old, he asked to be assigned the simplest task, cleaning or sweeping.
00:12:39because he already foresaw his death, he was very close to his death and he could no longer dedicate himself to others, he already
00:12:45He needed to dedicate time to himself, to reflect on the three big questions,
00:12:49Who are we, what do we do, what has my life been like, where am I going to go, how am I going to reincarnate?
00:12:53and who I will be reincarnated as.
00:12:55And he, as far as I know, since I've been writing his story, then went to a cave, which was relatively
00:13:02near the monastery, a day and a bit away on foot,
00:13:05And there he currently lives, there he spends 365 days a year, waiting for his death; he knows the date, but he doesn't know it.
00:13:11This means because he has a small student,
00:13:13who brings him food, very meager food, and he spends all day meditating.
00:13:19He says he doesn't even sleep,
00:13:20And that, when I started writing this book, he told me, hurry up, go in the coming winter, because it is possible
00:13:28that if you're late it won't be there anymore,
00:13:30And I did that, I went back the following winter and was able to finish a bit of the story of this person who has been
00:13:36incredible,
00:13:37This story began in Tibet, it began in the year 52, and now he is awaiting his death and receiving it with
00:13:43happiness,
00:13:43Because in our religion, in our culture, death is always something mysterious, something that frightens us and that
00:13:48We are terrified,
00:13:49For lamas and Buddhists, death is a blessing because you will be reincarnated.
00:13:56And if your level of good actions has been higher than your level of bad actions, you will reach a state
00:14:02superior,
00:14:02And he is already very eager to know his new state and his new reincarnation, it's impressive.
00:14:06How curious, and it's been a long time since the 1950s, when people in the West began writing about prodigies
00:14:11in this part of the world,
00:14:14Lamas with seemingly inexplicable phenomena around them; that school was already being talked about.
00:14:19People who knew how long they could act because they knew exactly when they would die.
00:14:25Of course, this is very impressive, especially when you talk to one of these people and they start telling you things
00:14:30of one.
00:14:31And something else happens too, you say, how can Buddhism be so deeply rooted and so decisive in the
00:14:39lives?
00:14:39Sure, you get there and imagine the scenery, some brutal mountains, the highest on the planet,
00:14:46with very alpine valleys, imagine glaciers everywhere,
00:14:52And on a cliff they always choose the best spots, the most powerful energy points, according to them.
00:14:57And there they build their monastery. Of course, that vision also affects you a little.
00:15:03You ask yourself, "Which place?" And he starts telling you things, but everything flows very calmly.
00:15:09That is, he has one tea, then he has another tea, we laugh because they are funny people,
00:15:15They're also very clever people, and then little by little he starts revealing things, he keeps revealing things.
00:15:20And then you go into a kind of trance and the situation you're in starts to scare you.
00:15:26finding,
00:15:26Because you yourself are realizing that something is happening, something is happening in the atmosphere.
00:15:32And he asks me, and everything, do you want to know when you're going to die?
00:15:36And he asks me this question and I'm like, and then my friend Chabón Punchó,
00:15:41who is the trusted sherpa, looked at me from behind and said,
00:15:44No, no, no, no, no, don't do that, don't do that,
00:15:47That's bad for your life and it can affect your future.
00:15:50You are not prepared to know when you are going to die because you are Western.
00:15:53Therefore, they know it perfectly well.
00:15:56He asked me, with absolute candor, if I wanted him to adjust my date.
00:16:03in which I'm more or less going to die.
00:16:05He didn't say, you're going to die on the 13th either, no, he says, I can more or less tell you the year
00:16:08and the month in which you will die.
00:16:10I mean, I was like...
00:16:13Of course, then from my point of view in the West I was going to say, well, I don't believe any of it,
00:16:16I'm going to say yes.
00:16:17But then I thought about it, because I was looking at him and everyone was looking at me.
00:16:21And the other two Sherpas were looking at me like that, and my friend Emilio Valdés was there too.
00:16:25The cameraman told me, "If I were you, I wouldn't do it."
00:16:27In other words, everyone scared us and I backed away.
00:16:30But he told me, at least let me tell you that I know that in your life
00:16:35You have either gone through or will go through three moments in which your life is in great danger.
00:16:40And then, of course, I was also like, "It can't be."
00:16:44And then I remembered two, two reales.
00:16:47One from a year and a half ago, the tragic accident I had while training for the Dakar Rally,
00:16:50in Morocco, where I was badly injured, as I don't remember the number of bones I broke,
00:16:55in which I truly believed that he was going to kill me.
00:16:57I visualized on my motorcycle, when I was falling, that I couldn't get out of that, out of that accident.
00:17:02Another one was in a tremendous avalanche that came down on me on Everest,
00:17:07I don't know exactly how I was lucky enough to free her.
00:17:10And there's a third one that isn't there.
00:17:13That's the one that really worries me.
00:17:15And indeed, this year at the Macalu as well,
00:17:18The weather conditions were terrible.
00:17:21And I made decisions I had never made before.
00:17:25In other words, my threshold is that if I cross this line I could kill myself or die.
00:17:30And sometimes, when we indulge in somewhat extreme penitence and the like,
00:17:34Well, we crossed that line.
00:17:36In fact, there is a barrier called the Barrier of Death,
00:17:38It is 1,500 meters long.
00:17:39But you can still make your life more complicated.
00:17:42I always set the bar pretty high for myself.
00:17:43because I've always had a bit of a feeling of
00:17:45How lucky I am, I'm practically immortal.
00:17:48I've always had this thing about myself.
00:17:50It won't happen to me.
00:17:52In other words, what happens to others won't happen to me.
00:17:53That's a mistake to think.
00:17:55Well, that conversation with that lama in that monastery,
00:17:58This year has marked a turning point for me.
00:18:01Well, I've made decisions I never would have made before.
00:18:05and because a voice in my head was telling me
00:18:07There's a time when you have it there.
00:18:10I have a life that I can lose, and there's a moment that's there.
00:18:14It hasn't arrived yet, but I can tell you
00:18:16that on this expedition, and I don't want to reveal
00:18:18how the expedition happened, because this was a program,
00:18:20But what happened was very important.
00:18:23in that monastery before the expedition.
00:18:25And I want you to see it on the show, because it really
00:18:28I think it all depends, this program,
00:18:31about what happened to us at the Macalu, and there were many things,
00:18:34It revolves around this, this piece of information that the lama gave me.
00:18:39We will definitely see it.
00:18:40Yes, he did predict less important things for you.
00:18:42some hidden things about your life or even your body.
00:18:45They do it, Carmen, because it's a way of telling you
00:18:49This is not nonsense.
00:18:51In other words, don't come here with your Western worldview
00:18:54to mock you, to laugh at you, or to tell you something
00:18:58or give an idea that isn't true.
00:19:01Because they don't need us for anything.
00:19:03nor do they need us.
00:19:05In other words, we are the ones who go there.
00:19:07So this isn't like, call 9, I don't know what
00:19:09that we can predict your future.
00:19:10This is a reality for them, it's their life.
00:19:13And he would say, well, you have a mole in such and such a place.
00:19:15Damn, sorry.
00:19:18It's true, you're so surprised that you don't...
00:19:20It's true.
00:19:21You have another one in such a place that you haven't looked at.
00:19:24I took off my shirt and said, Emilio, take a look.
00:19:25I said, it's true, you have it there.
00:19:27You have this mole here.
00:19:28In other words, he could guess little things about her.
00:19:30And then he would laugh and say, "Come on, have another tea."
00:19:32No, we'll talk later.
00:19:33He was going in bits and pieces, in bits and pieces, in bits and pieces.
00:19:36And then he told me, I'm very worried about him.
00:19:42This third question is that you don't know what will become of your life.
00:19:46And he worried her.
00:19:47And then he said, well, you're going to stay for lunch at the monastery.
00:19:49You're going upstairs to the kitchen,
00:19:51You're going to eat with all of us.
00:19:54Because I need to meditate and reflect on what I have seen
00:19:57I don't want to tell you any more either.
00:20:00because I know you didn't like me telling you more.
00:20:02And he didn't come to eat,
00:20:04He stayed in the main area of the monastery,
00:20:07which they call the gompa,
00:20:09which is where everything sacred is.
00:20:10And then there are the houses, the dining rooms, etc.
00:20:12And it was fantastic to be invited to a monastery,
00:20:16the most important lama of the Serpas Valley,
00:20:18considered one of the most important lamas in all of Nepal,
00:20:22He invites you to his monastery,
00:20:23invites you to its rooms,
00:20:24He cares about you,
00:20:26He will meditate for you
00:20:27And you'll go eat with the rest of the lamas.
00:20:30It was fantastic eating with them.
00:20:31Okay, you're going to see some pictures,
00:20:32I think they're unique and fun.
00:20:34I was there with some giant pots in the kitchen,
00:20:37Furthermore, this man stayed behind preparing a number of things.
00:20:40which he then gave me.
00:20:42He told me, "I need you to always take me with you."
00:20:44an envelope, what a shame,
00:20:46You caught me running like this today,
00:20:47If I hadn't brought it for you to see,
00:20:49some envelopes containing a series of herbs that he crushed,
00:20:51another envelope that is somewhat white,
00:20:53I don't know what it is,
00:20:54He made a series of snide remarks to me,
00:20:57which are protective collars.
00:20:58I have one that I can't get rid of,
00:21:00This one you see here.
00:21:01Can't you take it off? Why?
00:21:02Because if I break it, if I remove it,
00:21:06I am taking an action which is that I don't believe myself
00:21:09all those protective jabs he made at me.
00:21:11So it's an act that he has to fall off on his own.
00:21:13So, well, it's going to stay here.
00:21:14And it's going to move, let's go here.
00:21:24In this time of widespread discrimination,
00:21:26in the most remote places on the planet,
00:21:28There are some people about whom much has been written
00:21:30and sometimes with a certain distance
00:21:32which seems to be at this same time
00:21:35they will be surrounded by things
00:21:36that we neither control nor know
00:21:38And yes, they are mysterious.
00:21:39Sure, like guessing things such as a mole
00:21:41that one has never even seen oneself
00:21:42It's surprising.
00:21:44I believe we will learn many more things
00:21:45from that absolutely wonderful area.
00:21:48Jesus is leaving for there right now.
00:21:49and will give us more information.
00:21:52Goddesses, goddesses who are actually reincarnated as people,
00:21:56The Kumari, incredible ceremonies,
00:21:59You'll be able to see all of that on Extreme Challenge
00:22:01And we too will try from time to time
00:22:04Bring our friend Jesús Calleja here
00:22:06who has the power to tell it
00:22:07in that close way.
00:22:09Almost all of us have attended a consultation
00:22:12with an exceptional blade
00:22:13He who knows the future, knows about life and death
00:22:15And he told us about it this way.
00:22:18Jesus, as always.
00:22:18Good luck, mate.
00:22:20It's a pleasure to be here, we are sisters.
00:22:21And you know I have a great time on your show.
00:22:24And we're listening to you too, my friend.
00:22:26Well, that's all, see you later.
00:22:27Good luck, take care.
00:22:29Likewise.
00:22:29We need to bring a lot of material,
00:22:30You have to bring us a lot of material here at four.
00:22:32Thank you Jesus, as always, truly.
00:22:35Well, this is surprising,
00:22:36The thing about the moles, especially.
00:22:37Yes, yes, we'll have to go and consult about it someday.
00:22:40although I, like Jesus to me,
00:22:41And don't tell me the date of death either.
00:22:43No, me neither.
00:22:43It's better not to know because you'll just become obsessed with it yourself.
00:22:46In fact, they have a book
00:22:47which is called The Book of Life and Death
00:22:49because they study and prepare from a very young age
00:22:52to die, so that it is not traumatic.
00:22:54We have a lot to learn.
00:22:55There's the fact, nothing more, nothing less.
00:22:57And surely many are meeting him for the first time.
00:22:59Thank you Jesus, as always, my friend.
00:23:00Shall we talk about other unusual things?
00:23:02Let's go to Unusual World.
00:23:03Unusual World!
00:23:10Today's first unusual news story
00:23:12This leads us to a truly spectacular ranking,
00:23:15The 10 strangest deaths in history.
00:23:18We go back to the year 458 BC.
00:23:22The Greek writer Aeschylus is in the countryside,
00:23:25perhaps thinking about his next writing,
00:23:29when an eagle flies by carrying a turtle in its beak
00:23:32and throws it at his head and kills him instantly.
00:23:36Let's move on to the second one.
00:23:37Duke of Clarence, member of the British royal family.
00:23:41How does he die?
00:23:42Executed.
00:23:42But how?
00:23:43In the most abnormal way.
00:23:45In a wine vessel.
00:23:47It was the year 1478.
00:23:50Alan Pinkerton, a famous American spy and detective.
00:23:54Normally, he dies from a gunshot wound or at the hands of someone who murders him.
00:23:57TRUE?
00:23:57Perhaps out of revenge.
00:23:59No, in this case he dies of gangrene.
00:24:02And why?
00:24:03Because while I was playing with some friends one day,
00:24:06He fell and injured his tongue.
00:24:09He bit his tongue, and from then on, gangrene developed, leading to his death.
00:24:13Jack Daniel, famous and known to all,
00:24:16Because of the whiskey, right?
00:24:18Well, one day when I was very angry,
00:24:21because some of his business deals had gone badly,
00:24:23With one of his legs he gave a strong kick to the iron safe they had.
00:24:28Okay, what does that make you feel?
00:24:29Bacteria in the blood and six years later they bury him.
00:24:34Let's look at more unusual deaths.
00:24:37Sir Cunardenson swallowed a toothpick at a party,
00:24:41which caused him to develop peritonitis.
00:24:43From there back to the cemetery.
00:24:44And in 2006, the last one, the most recent, is the crocodile hunter.
00:24:48You'll remember him, won't you?
00:24:50We have many images.
00:24:51Sometimes recordings bring dangers.
00:24:54And in this case, when he was on one of those film sets,
00:24:57A stingray stings him in the heart and he dies instantly.
00:25:02And speaking of animals, we go to the German town of Amelin.
00:25:05You'll know her from the legend of the Pied Piper, right?
00:25:07That got rid of all the rats.
00:25:09Well, maybe they'll have to send it again.
00:25:12because there is a tremendous plague
00:25:13which is destroying all the crops and gardens in the town.
00:25:17You know, in this case, pay him.
00:25:19Because if not, he'll take all their children.
00:25:21And take a look at this discovery.
00:25:23It has occurred in Honduras.
00:25:25It is the longest blind snake in Mesoamerica.
00:25:28Almost 4 meters.
00:25:30She was dead when they found her.
00:25:32But even so, it is still unusual.
00:25:35Therefore, they have taken it to a museum to be exhibited.
00:25:37And now we're going to tell you the story of a ghost.
00:25:40From a very special ghost.
00:25:42Let's go to the archives.
00:25:54June 1954.
00:25:56The press is talking about a ghost in the Espinar cemetery.
00:26:01The best place ever, right?
00:26:03Evoking almost romantic and terrifying stories.
00:26:07Province of Segovia.
00:26:08This whole story, in reality, has a beginning.
00:26:10A surprising start, Carmen.
00:26:12We are going to refer to Concepción Miño.
00:26:14She belonged to a family of six siblings.
00:26:17She had gotten married.
00:26:18It was only five years ago.
00:26:20And her mechanic husband is going to learn the trade better all the way to Algiers.
00:26:24Suddenly, the family receives a visit from their daughter,
00:26:28precisely in El Espinar, where they were from.
00:26:30But you can see that she's already acting a little strange.
00:26:34It wasn't the same Concepción that had left.
00:26:37He starts doing strange things.
00:26:39He spent his days praying on his knees with his arms outstretched in the form of a cross,
00:26:43such as praying or meditating.
00:26:45They even feared that something had happened to him
00:26:47when she got locked inside the bathroom.
00:26:50Her father knocked on the door, but Concepción didn't answer.
00:26:54They decided to look through a small window in that room.
00:26:58and they saw that he had escaped.
00:27:00But where was Concepción?
00:27:01They called the Civil Guard. Iker
00:27:03And the next scene of how they find her is terrible.
00:27:07What you find in some neighbors is surprising.
00:27:10Some people speak of trails of blood on the cemetery wall.
00:27:14Streams of blood liquefying among the stones.
00:27:17Then, two hands on a grave.
00:27:20The gravedigger, who even appears in the press,
00:27:23He is absolutely stunned.
00:27:25What is happening?
00:27:26And of course, think about the night, the surroundings.
00:27:29And one more resident of the town of Espinar,
00:27:31which descends along the other side of the road,
00:27:34He encounters a vision of what a ghost is.
00:27:36An image of a kind of body wrapped in robes,
00:27:41climbing the wall, wandering slowly.
00:27:44And what's more, it's even visible, Carmen,
00:27:46how do they define the exact position
00:27:48in which the gravedigger himself sees that figure.
00:27:51Someone who is letting out pitiful cries of pain,
00:27:56wrapped in those white robes,
00:27:58in that situation in the middle of the night,
00:28:00And also, as the press says,
00:28:02wearing that blood-stained nightgown.
00:28:04They think they are seeing a horrible specter.
00:28:06Yes, and it's a terrible scene because,
00:28:09And look, and I'm going to read it literally as the press published it,
00:28:13They ask the gravedigger Concepción for a knife,
00:28:16in that state between mystical and altered of consciousness,
00:28:19he tells her,
00:28:20Give it to me, Jacinto,
00:28:21because I am not of this world.
00:28:23And I want to go to the other one.
00:28:26Well, Pedro Marcos,
00:28:28the doctor from the Segovian town,
00:28:30confirm when this woman is arrested
00:28:32in the middle of the cemetery in the early morning
00:28:33who has several such deep wounds,
00:28:36on arm, foot and leg,
00:28:38who has lost two liters of blood,
00:28:40who has been watering the cemetery with his blood.
00:28:42What kind of ritual was this?
00:28:43Because?
00:28:44We never knew.
00:28:45This woman, Concepción,
00:28:46She was admitted immediately
00:28:47at the Quitapesares mental health center,
00:28:50practically in the same town,
00:28:51and a few hours later he escaped again.
00:28:54They found her wrapped in those white robes
00:28:57inside the attics.
00:28:58What a story.
00:28:59The ghost of the Espinar cemetery.
00:29:02Now let's put ourselves in that situation, Carmen,
00:29:04in being near that cemetery
00:29:06and observe a figure covered in blood,
00:29:08arms outstretched and calling us.
00:29:10Surprising is an understatement.
00:29:12Other figures, those of the souls,
00:29:14They have always been present in Christian iconography,
00:29:16but long before,
00:29:17And then I'll tell you at the end of the program.
00:29:19the feeling that soul and body can separate and travel
00:29:22It's there in different places,
00:29:24always have been,
00:29:25firmly settled.
00:29:27The investigators continue their inquiries.
00:29:31they try to glimpse
00:29:32What lies beyond that tunnel?
00:29:34that connects life with death.
00:29:56And that's because they're interested in everything that happens
00:29:59between life and death,
00:30:00You can't miss this information.
00:30:01Breaking news.
00:30:02Real science is making progress.
00:30:05It gives the impression that it is going deeper
00:30:07truly without complexes
00:30:08in this enigma that you are already seeing.
00:30:10That strange passageway,
00:30:12that conduit that leads from the earthly world,
00:30:15of the world of the living,
00:30:16to that other dimension.
00:30:17Deep down,
00:30:18this journey
00:30:19which has intrigued
00:30:20to all of humanity
00:30:22from the beginning of our history.
00:30:24Many centuries ago,
00:30:25Even artists drew this same thing
00:30:28that they are now contemplating.
00:30:29Exactly the same
00:30:30that many people at UBI,
00:30:32after traffic accidents,
00:30:34people who have been
00:30:35scientifically resurrected,
00:30:36They have described it exactly the same way,
00:30:38like a code that unites us all.
00:30:40Perhaps it's the images
00:30:41that are really there,
00:30:43on the other side.
00:30:44We have been able to get exclusive
00:30:45the statements.
00:30:46We interviewed Sam Parmia,
00:30:49the cardiologist scientist
00:30:50who is initiating these investigations.
00:30:52The numbers are staggering.
00:30:5425 hospitals
00:30:55They will participate
00:30:56in this other dimension
00:30:58of knowledge.
00:30:59We hear him and we see him.
00:31:01It's going to be extremely interesting.
00:31:03However,
00:31:04a proportion of people
00:31:05Yes, they return and describe
00:31:06what they call
00:31:07out-of-body experiences,
00:31:09which include
00:31:10the feeling
00:31:10of being separated from the body,
00:31:12climb to the roof
00:31:13and be able to see from there
00:31:15what's happening downstairs.
00:31:16In cases,
00:31:18these people
00:31:18can describe in detail
00:31:20what doctors
00:31:21and nurses
00:31:21They do with them.
00:31:23The question
00:31:24It's a question of whether this can be true.
00:31:26if human consciousness can
00:31:27detach from the body,
00:31:29ascend
00:31:29and see things from there,
00:31:30or if this is just an illusion.
00:31:33This can be verified
00:31:34competently,
00:31:35because these people
00:31:36They offer all kinds
00:31:37details
00:31:38of what happens to them.
00:31:40They describe how doctors
00:31:41They enter the room,
00:31:42how they run towards the bed,
00:31:44what instruments do they use
00:31:45and things like that.
00:31:46To find out if this is real or not,
00:31:48what we will do
00:31:49is hiding images
00:31:50that are only visible
00:31:51from the roof
00:31:52and from nowhere else.
00:31:54We will put them in a way
00:31:55that they couldn't see them before,
00:31:57only if they looked down
00:31:59from the roof
00:31:59and not from ground level.
00:32:03It's exciting to know
00:32:04that researchers
00:32:05like this man
00:32:06They are starting
00:32:07a project
00:32:07which could be...
00:32:09I'm thinking,
00:32:09Look, Carmen,
00:32:11Too bad
00:32:11than other good friends
00:32:12who are no longer here,
00:32:14who will be on that other side
00:32:15from the tunnel,
00:32:15like the master
00:32:16Dr. Enrique Vira
00:32:17from the Macarena Hospital
00:32:18from Seville,
00:32:19I wouldn't have had
00:32:19that help
00:32:20or that push.
00:32:2225 hospitals
00:32:23have been incorporated
00:32:24deep down
00:32:25to try to discover
00:32:26what lies beyond
00:32:26And that seems to me
00:32:27very commendable.
00:32:29Let's find out a little more,
00:32:30We have guests
00:32:30Except, as always,
00:32:31But first,
00:32:32Who is this man?
00:32:34Well, Sam Parnia
00:32:35He is a cardiologist
00:32:36of the University
00:32:36from Sunhampton,
00:32:37He also has a doctorate
00:32:40in Cell Biology
00:32:41and he's currently studying
00:32:44more than 200 cases,
00:32:46They have already studied
00:32:46together with Peter Fenwich
00:32:48of close experiences
00:32:50to death.
00:32:51He is also a pioneer.
00:32:52in what they have decided
00:32:53in joining
00:32:54to other hospitals,
00:32:56to other hospital centers
00:32:57to see if the cases
00:32:59They resemble
00:33:00not only
00:33:00in the same places
00:33:02but in different
00:33:03USA
00:33:03and Europe
00:33:04they will combine
00:33:05and even ask for help
00:33:06so that from Spain
00:33:08Let's send all the cases
00:33:09possible
00:33:10and thus be able to have
00:33:11a list
00:33:14better
00:33:15with those cases
00:33:16and be able to do
00:33:17a study,
00:33:18a true study
00:33:19of what they are
00:33:20those experiences
00:33:21near death
00:33:22because according to them
00:33:23are produced
00:33:24many coincidences
00:33:25when they are
00:33:26in those states
00:33:28of resuscitation
00:33:29that's how it is
00:33:30as they call it
00:33:30even Iker
00:33:31on their page
00:33:32have published
00:33:33And here it is.
00:33:34a whole study
00:33:35the first conclusions
00:33:37that they have carried out
00:33:38after studying
00:33:39to 63 patients
00:33:40the percentage
00:33:41of each of them
00:33:42who had experiences
00:33:44seeing tunnels
00:33:45to relatives
00:33:45We'll discuss it now.
00:33:46because it would be interesting
00:33:47make a first outline
00:33:48about that
00:33:48He's with us, of course.
00:33:50our friend
00:33:51and collaborator
00:33:52the psychiatrist
00:33:53José Miguel Gaona
00:33:53Good evening, José Miguel.
00:33:54Good evening
00:33:55when you were listening
00:33:56this man
00:33:58You said that there was already
00:33:59there had been, and I didn't know this.
00:34:00a previous experiment
00:34:02with that attempt
00:34:03add images
00:34:04that can only be seen
00:34:05from above
00:34:05indeed
00:34:06at the first congress
00:34:07precisely from experiences
00:34:09near death
00:34:09which was celebrated
00:34:10this past April
00:34:11in Madrid
00:34:12one of the speakers
00:34:14in this case
00:34:15an English ATS
00:34:17had built
00:34:18a similar experiment
00:34:19in which
00:34:19had placed
00:34:20various sheets
00:34:21For example
00:34:22on top of the television
00:34:23of the room
00:34:24above the lamp
00:34:25that is to say
00:34:25in places
00:34:26where the patient
00:34:27under no circumstances
00:34:28given also
00:34:29who was in a coma
00:34:29obviously
00:34:30and a nearby state
00:34:31to death
00:34:31I could see them
00:34:33the experiment itself
00:34:34It was really very satisfying.
00:34:36the results
00:34:36not so much
00:34:38because practically
00:34:39none of them
00:34:40could see
00:34:41these images
00:34:42none of them could tell
00:34:43once evidently
00:34:44returned to a conscious state
00:34:45what was the content
00:34:47of those images
00:34:47however
00:34:48That's also true
00:34:49that the study
00:34:49It was only preliminary
00:34:51preparatory
00:34:52of another larger one
00:34:53which in fact
00:34:53It will be carried out
00:34:54along
00:34:54of the coming months
00:34:55We're going to have a debate
00:34:57very interesting
00:34:57because that's the topic
00:34:59the big issue
00:34:59and the one who to everyone
00:35:00It distresses him
00:35:01and he's fascinated
00:35:02at the same time
00:35:02We have a new friend
00:35:03that is incorporated
00:35:04to the table of mystery
00:35:04and we are very happy
00:35:06that he is with us
00:35:07He is Mariano Betés
00:35:08de Toro
00:35:09psychiatrist
00:35:11faculty professor
00:35:12of medicine
00:35:13from the university
00:35:13from Alcalá de Henares
00:35:14doctor of pharmacology
00:35:15a true authority
00:35:17and that also has
00:35:17with good news
00:35:18I believe
00:35:19Mariano
00:35:20good night
00:35:20And that's because
00:35:22You have some documents there.
00:35:23What are you talking about?
00:35:23of what you are doing
00:35:24José Miguel Taén
00:35:25that effort
00:35:26José Miguel told me about it
00:35:28some time ago
00:35:28to unify criteria
00:35:30and to get this up and running
00:35:31that there is an association
00:35:33somehow
00:35:34who is in charge
00:35:35to study scientifically
00:35:36these documents
00:35:38And that's already a reality.
00:35:39Yes, indeed.
00:35:40precisely at the congress
00:35:43that we celebrate
00:35:43in the month of April
00:35:45from 2008
00:35:47we have created
00:35:48an association
00:35:50Spanish
00:35:51but associated
00:35:52to the international
00:35:53that is to say
00:35:54to the international association
00:35:56of nearby studies
00:35:57to death
00:35:58then the objective
00:35:59fundamental
00:36:00and primary
00:36:01of this association
00:36:03is to create a census
00:36:05among all people
00:36:07that have happened
00:36:08because of this experience
00:36:09to analyze it
00:36:10and study it properly
00:36:12and secondly
00:36:13help people
00:36:14in this situation
00:36:15because it is such
00:36:17the change
00:36:18that have experienced
00:36:19in their lives
00:36:20that sometimes
00:36:20They have problems
00:36:21psychological
00:36:21adaptation
00:36:22how interesting
00:36:23that is to say
00:36:23that there is also an after
00:36:25not of life
00:36:26but from experience
00:36:27and people suffer
00:36:28the people with whom he shares it
00:36:29Let's begin the debate
00:36:31And of course we present
00:36:32Santiago Camacho
00:36:32Santi, good evening
00:36:33good night
00:36:34who worked on this interview
00:36:35together with our colleagues
00:36:36documentation
00:36:38this individual
00:36:39that he is not alone
00:36:40because
00:36:40I believe that the great misfortune
00:36:41of all these topics
00:36:42It's that many times
00:36:43the initiatives
00:36:44They have been like personal
00:36:46But there are a lot of people here.
00:36:47involved
00:36:48and this man
00:36:49is a follower
00:36:50of another person
00:36:50whom we were already able to interview
00:36:52Peter Fenwick
00:36:53indeed
00:36:54in fact
00:36:54one could say
00:36:56that Dr. Fenwick
00:36:57has been his mentor
00:36:58and it has been
00:36:58who somehow
00:37:00has guided
00:37:00their first steps
00:37:02and has given it to him
00:37:04the witness
00:37:05from his research
00:37:06on the topic
00:37:06from the experiences
00:37:07near death
00:37:09as we already said
00:37:10in a previous program
00:37:11from Fourth Millennium
00:37:11Dr. Peter Fenwick
00:37:13that right now
00:37:13is more interested
00:37:15in the preliminary phase
00:37:16before arriving
00:37:16to the experience
00:37:17near death
00:37:18in the study
00:37:19of the dying
00:37:20of those visions
00:37:22that seem
00:37:22to have some people
00:37:2424 hours before dying
00:37:25of those close relatives
00:37:27that appear to them
00:37:28at the foot of his bed
00:37:29of those premonitions
00:37:31of a person
00:37:32apparently
00:37:33in an improvement
00:37:34But what does it say?
00:37:35to their doctors
00:37:35I'm going to die tomorrow
00:37:37and indeed
00:37:37it is fulfilled
00:37:38all that
00:37:39because already
00:37:39And so we were able to see it
00:37:41in the interview
00:37:42that we did
00:37:42at the time
00:37:43Dr. Fenwick
00:37:44I was absolutely
00:37:45convinced
00:37:46as a result of his work
00:37:47about what
00:37:48your goal
00:37:49which was
00:37:50find out
00:37:51if it could exist
00:37:53awareness
00:37:54soul
00:37:54mind
00:37:55no brain activity
00:37:57for him
00:37:58It was proven
00:38:10now
00:38:10now Carmen
00:38:11He's going to tell us
00:38:11the data
00:38:11or that is
00:38:12watching a little
00:38:13in those studies
00:38:15we'll keep watching
00:38:15and listening
00:38:16to Samparnia
00:38:17but above all
00:38:18the two specialists
00:38:18of the world of the mind
00:38:19do you believe
00:38:20that there is evidence
00:38:22that these cases
00:38:22occur
00:38:23For example
00:38:24the previews
00:38:25to death
00:38:25that is to say
00:38:26not just the tunnel
00:38:27which is the most well known
00:38:28but what Santiago was saying
00:38:29of people who sense
00:38:31who are going to die
00:38:31We've talked a little
00:38:32tonight
00:38:33from Nepal
00:38:34the lamas
00:38:35that some say
00:38:37who see the date
00:38:38of his death
00:38:38that actually happens
00:38:40or it's still not clear
00:38:41neurophysiology itself
00:38:43it's true
00:38:43can explain phenomena
00:38:45like the one in the tunnel
00:38:46can explain phenomena
00:38:48like the last sense
00:38:49that turns off
00:38:50due to lack of oxygen
00:38:51be fair
00:38:52the one in the ear
00:38:53dissociative phenomena
00:38:55to leave the body
00:38:56precisely because of alterations
00:38:57in the temporal lobe
00:38:58well yes
00:38:59Some are explainable
00:39:01but not all
00:39:02the truth is that
00:39:03there is a part
00:39:04a border
00:39:05so to speak
00:39:06in which
00:39:07we all stayed
00:39:07a little astonished
00:39:08before the majesty of death
00:39:10and especially those who return
00:39:11That is really
00:39:12what interests us
00:39:13What is happening?
00:39:15on that final frontier
00:39:16and Mariano
00:39:17at that congress
00:39:18that you carried out
00:39:19knowing cases
00:39:20knowing about stories
00:39:21specific ones studied
00:39:22personally
00:39:23just out of curiosity
00:39:24It surprised you
00:39:25one of these cases
00:39:25that may be
00:39:26on the threshold
00:39:27of the inexplicable
00:39:28or of definitions
00:39:29very specific
00:39:30of what
00:39:30the sick person
00:39:32or the one who was
00:39:32on the other side
00:39:33I could already be watching
00:39:34really
00:39:35the most surprising thing
00:39:36the thing is
00:39:37the vast majority
00:39:39from the experiences
00:39:40these experiences
00:39:41from case to death
00:39:42They are of a universal nature.
00:39:44that is to say
00:39:45that
00:39:45This is the proof
00:39:47data
00:39:47that refer to
00:39:49and accuracy
00:39:50with which they tell you
00:39:52that one
00:39:52directly
00:39:54has to clear
00:39:55the unknown
00:39:56of
00:39:56we will be
00:39:57saying
00:39:59something of his imagination
00:40:00It gives the impression
00:40:01about what
00:40:02We've seen it
00:40:03in all cultures
00:40:04along
00:40:05from all eras
00:40:07all ages
00:40:08all ideologies
00:40:10and perseverance
00:40:12is absolute
00:40:13No?
00:40:14What does that mean?
00:40:15What does that mean?
00:40:16That means
00:40:17really that
00:40:18we have nothing left
00:40:19no other option
00:40:20to suspect
00:40:21that the mind
00:40:22indeed
00:40:22and the body
00:40:24There are two things
00:40:25that they could
00:40:27dissociate
00:40:27could
00:40:29exist
00:40:30even if it were
00:40:30for a period
00:40:32short time
00:40:33separately
00:40:34And there they are.
00:40:35the roots
00:40:36from our research
00:40:38and the investigation
00:40:38is doing
00:40:39Saint Paul
00:40:39and even more
00:40:41perhaps also
00:40:41It is very likely
00:40:42just like others
00:40:43processes
00:40:43They are pre-programmed
00:40:45in our DNA
00:40:46the process of death
00:40:47somehow
00:40:48is also pre-programmed
00:40:50For example
00:40:50in the moments before
00:40:52if it is a death
00:40:52relatively placid
00:40:54There is general anesthesia.
00:40:55as if nature
00:40:57He would have also been in charge
00:40:58to perform
00:41:00a plan
00:41:00a plan
00:41:02We have scheduled you
00:41:03when you are born
00:41:04when you reproduce
00:41:05when you grow up
00:41:05but
00:41:06the moment of death
00:41:07We're not going to let you.
00:41:08abandoned
00:41:09There is one of the cases
00:41:10that has studied
00:41:11Saint Parnia
00:41:11which would ruin
00:41:13that hypothesis
00:41:14because
00:41:14He studies a patient
00:41:16that returns
00:41:16who resurrects
00:41:17and says
00:41:19that has been
00:41:19with a deceased relative
00:41:20a relative
00:41:21even though he didn't know it
00:41:23had died
00:41:23the previous week
00:41:24and it turned out to be
00:41:25her sister
00:41:26her sister
00:41:26who came to find him
00:41:28and he identifies
00:41:29and says
00:41:29It's impossible.
00:41:30if my sister is alive
00:41:31They hadn't told him
00:41:32that the sister
00:41:33had died
00:41:34a week before
00:41:34and she
00:41:35He goes back to look for him
00:41:37therefore
00:41:37It would no longer be at the cellular level.
00:41:39because he is identifying
00:41:40a relative
00:41:41that has the conscience
00:41:42that he is alive
00:41:42in that state
00:41:44so
00:41:45It wouldn't be either
00:41:46one thing
00:41:47things to keep in mind
00:41:49TRUE?
00:41:49because it seems
00:41:50that the relatives
00:41:51that we know
00:41:53that have left
00:41:54and anyone
00:41:55that it has been
00:41:55next to a dying person
00:41:56They start calling
00:41:57to deceased persons
00:41:58to his father
00:41:59to his mother
00:42:00to her grandmother
00:42:01even friends
00:42:02of childhood
00:42:03that seem to be returning
00:42:04to search
00:42:05to those people
00:42:06We can explain
00:42:08from a scientific point of view
00:42:09so far
00:42:10practically from the tunnel
00:42:11in fact
00:42:12already Kluber
00:42:13in the 1930s
00:42:16certified
00:42:16four types
00:42:17of hallucinations
00:42:18due
00:42:18to sensory blackout
00:42:20that we are suffering
00:42:21No?
00:42:21spiral
00:42:22online
00:42:23in a spider web
00:42:24and precisely
00:42:25the fourth
00:42:25It's in a tunnel.
00:42:26but beyond
00:42:27from the tunnel
00:42:28fairly
00:42:28We have some colleagues
00:42:30which in fact
00:42:30They are working
00:42:31at the reunion
00:42:34with relatives
00:42:35We have all known
00:42:36I think it's an experience
00:42:37further
00:42:37what happens
00:42:38is this
00:42:38socially
00:42:39as if it's hiding
00:42:40to a certain itch
00:42:42a certain embarrassment
00:42:43discussing it publicly
00:42:45but almost all of us know
00:42:46to that relative
00:42:47what weeks
00:42:48that days before
00:42:49to die
00:42:49fairly
00:42:50apparently
00:42:51He had some visitors
00:42:52from her mother
00:42:53from his father
00:42:53that with extensive conversations
00:42:55and everyone obviously
00:42:56they said
00:42:57Well
00:42:57It's part of the disease
00:42:58but also
00:42:59as Mariano rightly says
00:43:00part of
00:43:00of that physiology
00:43:02from that experimentation
00:43:04that we all suffer
00:43:05the reunion with family members
00:43:06and that in some cases
00:43:07as you rightly say
00:43:08No
00:43:09It's not the time yet.
00:43:10You're going to hold out
00:43:12a little more
00:43:13and it is delayed
00:43:14that death
00:43:15weeks
00:43:15or times months
00:43:16But look
00:43:16instead
00:43:17There is a study
00:43:17what it says
00:43:18that all people
00:43:19that family members see
00:43:20when they are sick
00:43:2280%
00:43:24in the end
00:43:25within a period
00:43:26two months
00:43:26also dies
00:43:27that's how it is
00:43:28and also
00:43:29we must demolish
00:43:30the feeling
00:43:31necessarily
00:43:32It is pleasant
00:43:33There is also a
00:43:35fortunately
00:43:36minimum number of cases
00:43:37that in that tunnel
00:43:39apart from that luminosity
00:43:40and that pleasant feeling
00:43:41well, apparently
00:43:42They're having a terrible time.
00:43:43that is to say
00:43:44come
00:43:44I'm not going to say demons
00:43:46but almost
00:43:47but almost
00:43:48that is to say
00:43:48figures
00:43:50anthropomorphic
00:43:50monstrous
00:43:51that somehow
00:43:52They fill them with fear
00:43:54precisely also
00:43:55are those that
00:43:57we think
00:43:58pay attention to them
00:43:58in the association
00:43:59because they need
00:44:00psychological support
00:44:01Let's talk a little bit
00:44:01about that
00:44:02José Miguel
00:44:02the whole table
00:44:03But first
00:44:03allow me to
00:44:04Let's listen again
00:44:05to Samparnia
00:44:06because he speaks
00:44:07precisely
00:44:08of a concept
00:44:09which can lead
00:44:10opinions
00:44:11irreversible death
00:44:12They are investigating
00:44:14in it
00:44:14the feeling
00:44:15about what
00:44:16there is a process
00:44:17which can be returned
00:44:18like in a series
00:44:19of minutes
00:44:19Let's see
00:44:20what does it tell us
00:44:21Samparnia
00:44:23if we think about it
00:44:2450 or 100 years ago
00:44:26when it stopped
00:44:27someone's heart
00:44:28when he died
00:44:28It was the end
00:44:29there was nothing
00:44:30to discuss
00:44:31about what was happening
00:44:32with the human mind
00:44:33because it happened
00:44:34whatever happened
00:44:34There was no way
00:44:36to return to life
00:44:36now progress
00:44:38of the technique
00:44:38and of medicine
00:44:39It allows us to bring
00:44:41back to the people
00:44:42to life
00:44:42And the big question
00:44:43is
00:44:44what happens to the mind
00:44:45and consciousness
00:44:46what they experience
00:44:49to know what's happening
00:44:50in the first few minutes
00:44:51in the first hour
00:44:52It opens a window for us
00:44:53unique understanding
00:44:54about the experience
00:44:55of death
00:44:57according to science
00:44:58progress
00:44:59we can keep going
00:45:00beyond
00:45:00those limits
00:45:01and understand
00:45:02What is death?
00:45:04I believe that progress
00:45:05of science
00:45:06will answer
00:45:07to the question
00:45:07what happens
00:45:08when we die
00:45:09and so?
00:45:10That's what we've started
00:45:11to do
00:45:11with this study
00:45:13worldwide
00:45:16words
00:45:16I don't know if you agree
00:45:17or not
00:45:17They are talking
00:45:18that science
00:45:19may discover
00:45:20It seemed impossible
00:45:21that threshold
00:45:22what happens right
00:45:24on that first step
00:45:26on the other side
00:45:26from which
00:45:28Some say
00:45:28who has returned
00:45:29Yeah
00:45:30indeed
00:45:31is that really
00:45:32in that situation
00:45:33border
00:45:33really
00:45:34we cannot say
00:45:35who has died
00:45:36the person
00:45:37since afterwards
00:45:38comes back
00:45:38that is a situation
00:45:40between life
00:45:41and death
00:45:42That's why we talk
00:45:43of experiences
00:45:43near death
00:45:44that although the brain
00:45:46give us
00:45:47flat electroencephalogram
00:45:48does not mean
00:45:49that there is some kind
00:45:50of movement
00:45:52no cell
00:45:53but
00:45:53a lot
00:45:55at a level
00:45:56much more basic
00:45:57at the molecular level
00:45:59level
00:45:59atomic
00:46:01even at the level
00:46:01subatomic
00:46:02that allows
00:46:04a perception
00:46:06or a
00:46:07some kind
00:46:08information
00:46:10information
00:46:11not only
00:46:12of the body
00:46:12but also
00:46:13of the environment
00:46:14abroad
00:46:14information
00:46:15of some
00:46:16deceased
00:46:17that one
00:46:17doesn't know
00:46:18up to that point
00:46:19that ends
00:46:21to die
00:46:21talk later
00:46:22of an interconnection
00:46:23data
00:46:23at that precise moment
00:46:25data
00:46:25that network
00:46:27we don't know
00:46:27where it reaches
00:46:28level
00:46:28universal
00:46:29I would speak
00:46:30of a consciousness
00:46:31universal
00:46:32And that's where
00:46:33We have to work
00:46:34There are also
00:46:35a factor
00:46:37that I always
00:46:37he called me
00:46:37a lot of attention
00:46:38which is perception
00:46:40weather
00:46:40in these
00:46:42experiences
00:46:42There are people who tell
00:46:43close experiences
00:46:44to death
00:46:45very long
00:46:46with conversations
00:46:48important
00:46:49with a series
00:46:51of experiences
00:46:52concatenated
00:46:52that they perceive
00:46:53as even
00:46:53of tens of minutes
00:46:55up to an hour
00:46:56and yet
00:46:57the period
00:46:57in which it has lasted
00:46:59that stop
00:46:59It's very short.
00:47:02We're talking
00:47:02probably
00:47:02one minute
00:47:03two minutes
00:47:04that
00:47:05you have
00:47:05some kind
00:47:07explanation
00:47:08For that purpose?
00:47:09clear
00:47:09is that really
00:47:10in the experience
00:47:11it is lost
00:47:13the meaning
00:47:13weather
00:47:14And it's another one
00:47:15of the elements
00:47:15very interesting
00:47:17that person
00:47:19when it is
00:47:19experimenting
00:47:20well that person
00:47:21No, that awareness
00:47:22He is no longer a person
00:47:23that awareness
00:47:24when you are experiencing
00:47:25the experience
00:47:27really
00:47:28It is beyond
00:47:29weather
00:47:30He's out
00:47:31weather
00:47:31in fact
00:47:32Many will have heard
00:47:34of this species
00:47:35like something out of a movie
00:47:35for which
00:47:37life goes by
00:47:38in front of one
00:47:39those slides
00:47:40indeed
00:47:40But of course
00:47:41the memoirs
00:47:42they start jumping
00:47:44are built
00:47:46neural networks
00:47:47that at a given moment
00:47:48were
00:47:49obsolete
00:47:50or that which occurs
00:47:51other use
00:47:52that falls within
00:47:53also
00:47:53of the mysteries
00:47:54that we are trying
00:47:55reveal
00:47:56but also
00:47:57again
00:47:57It's another one
00:47:58of the sensations
00:47:59what happens
00:48:00very frequently
00:48:01a whole life
00:48:02It seems unbelievable
00:48:02that could happen
00:48:04like a slide
00:48:04forward
00:48:05but that perception
00:48:05weather
00:48:06is altered
00:48:12There are several points
00:48:13in which they agree
00:48:14almost all people
00:48:16besides
00:48:16those who have
00:48:17stops
00:48:18those who have heart attacks
00:48:20are the ones who most
00:48:22they lean
00:48:23to this study
00:48:23and those who most
00:48:24common features
00:48:25have among them
00:48:26first
00:48:27the patient
00:48:28It feels like floating
00:48:29or he
00:48:29or the body
00:48:30that is to say
00:48:30he looks down at him
00:48:31as if it were
00:48:32from a form
00:48:33distant
00:48:34that's why
00:48:34they have put now
00:48:35the photographs
00:48:37what they want me to see
00:48:38from above
00:48:39which also
00:48:40There is one thing
00:48:41if we are
00:48:42in that experience
00:48:43so brutal
00:48:44that I imagine
00:48:44that it has to be
00:48:45we're going to look
00:48:47in a photograph
00:48:48that someone has put on us
00:48:48or we will focus
00:48:50in our body
00:48:51in doctors
00:48:51That's a good question.
00:48:52No?
00:48:53Because that's the last thing I want.
00:48:54I would notice
00:48:55That's it.
00:48:56instead
00:48:56if we put
00:48:57to a relative
00:48:58maybe
00:48:59Yes, we could
00:48:59identify
00:49:00point number 2
00:49:02it feels like
00:49:03after rising
00:49:05It passes through like a species
00:49:06tunnel
00:49:06in principle
00:49:07dark
00:49:08then it becomes clearer
00:49:09and we arrived
00:49:10to point number 3
00:49:12Bosch
00:49:13There we see that tunnel
00:49:14and the figure
00:49:15that is waiting for us
00:49:16behind
00:49:16visions of the afterlife
00:49:17in some cases
00:49:18family
00:49:19in other cases
00:49:20they say that according to
00:49:21religion itself
00:49:22of the person
00:49:23that he is living
00:49:23that experience
00:49:24angels
00:49:25or also
00:49:26There are experiences
00:49:28as I was saying
00:49:28Miguel
00:49:29are
00:49:31submerged
00:49:32in the dark ages
00:49:33in the monsters
00:49:35very black figures
00:49:36who stay
00:49:37besides
00:49:37in the mind
00:49:38of people
00:49:38who lives them
00:49:39the patient
00:49:41is the spectator
00:49:42of that whole movie
00:49:43as we were saying
00:49:44is living
00:49:45the person
00:49:46who lives the experience
00:49:46family
00:49:47deceased
00:49:48friends
00:49:49of that person
00:49:50who are going to meet him
00:49:52and at the last moment
00:49:53those relatives
00:49:54a very big light
00:49:54and they tell him
00:49:55that it's not their time
00:49:56and it turns out
00:49:57like a push
00:49:58very strong
00:49:59that returns them
00:50:00that is
00:50:01to the state already
00:50:01of conscience
00:50:02to that resurrection
00:50:04that has
00:50:05And that's when they tell
00:50:06these stories
00:50:07point by point
00:50:0863 patients
00:50:10They have recreated the same thing
00:50:1163 patients
00:50:12the same
00:50:12in this pioneering study
00:50:1325 hospitals
00:50:14There is one thing
00:50:15which is very curious
00:50:16and I was
00:50:16in going around
00:50:17to the phrase
00:50:18What did Mariano say?
00:50:18which I think is tremendous
00:50:20It's like an active consciousness
00:50:21we are not aware
00:50:23of that awareness
00:50:24perhaps
00:50:24that unites many people
00:50:26those ties
00:50:26and suddenly
00:50:27at certain times
00:50:28of absolute crisis
00:50:30joins
00:50:30and something arises
00:50:31Something emerges from that
00:50:32Now the big question is
00:50:35For example
00:50:36in these negative experiences
00:50:37that they exist
00:50:39must exist
00:50:39must be
00:50:41tremendous
00:50:41It appears that the individual
00:50:42based on what they describe
00:50:43goes to another world
00:50:44And it's not an interesting world.
00:50:45There were some jobs
00:50:47by Stanislav Grof
00:50:49who spoke
00:50:49of the visions
00:50:50at birth
00:50:51it was like
00:50:51those last visions
00:50:52again
00:50:52and equated it
00:50:53to visions
00:50:54of Goya's witches
00:50:55a kind of figures
00:50:56to which Goya's larre
00:50:58famous
00:50:59surrounding the child
00:51:00in some cases
00:51:01And it seems that those visions
00:51:02They occur in some cases
00:51:03Mariano was saying
00:51:04that in this type
00:51:05of visions
00:51:06so rare
00:51:06so far removed
00:51:07of the everyday
00:51:08and bright
00:51:09There could have been some kind
00:51:10of pathology
00:51:10perhaps
00:51:11Okay, well
00:51:12I the theory
00:51:13that I have
00:51:14the thing is
00:51:15the information
00:51:16that consciousness
00:51:19receives
00:51:20in that experience
00:51:22that information
00:51:23It has to be later
00:51:24translated
00:51:27in terms
00:51:29of the senses
00:51:30in term
00:51:31bodily
00:51:32in such a way
00:51:33that
00:51:34even though
00:51:35that information
00:51:36very generic
00:51:37then it is done
00:51:39it is embodied
00:51:40very
00:51:41very specific
00:51:42if I am a person
00:51:43very religious
00:51:44I probably
00:51:46that white image
00:51:47remind me
00:51:48to Christ
00:51:49the Virgin
00:51:50if it's an image
00:51:51the interpretation
00:51:52the interpretation
00:51:53therefore
00:51:54all the experiences
00:51:56near death
00:51:57that we have
00:51:58They are from
00:52:00interpretations
00:52:02sensory
00:52:03taking into account
00:52:03which is seen
00:52:04smells
00:52:05touch
00:52:06sounds
00:52:07That's just how it is
00:52:08because it's the only thing
00:52:09that we can capture
00:52:10everything else
00:52:11it escapes us
00:52:12therefore
00:52:13I am sure
00:52:14that there are so many
00:52:15information
00:52:15that we
00:52:16we cannot capture
00:52:17because they go beyond
00:52:18because they are
00:52:20extrasensory
00:52:20And that's why
00:52:21and forgive
00:52:22that's why
00:52:23is possible
00:52:24that when they appear
00:52:25these images
00:52:26we can
00:52:28give him an explanation
00:52:30psychopathological
00:52:30of that individual
00:52:32we need to realize
00:52:33as Mariano rightly says
00:52:34that once the individual
00:52:36become aware
00:52:36has to reinterpret
00:52:38all that
00:52:39obviously
00:52:39that you suggested to me
00:52:40and how do I transform it?
00:52:41in my symbols
00:52:42and how can I get there
00:52:42to tell it
00:52:43to transmit it
00:52:44which is really
00:52:45how to build
00:52:46that new reality
00:52:46that is to say
00:52:47perhaps it doesn't have
00:52:48lots to see
00:52:49what really
00:52:50It happened to him
00:52:51which it finally has
00:52:52For example
00:52:52There is a study of Morse
00:52:53of the decade
00:52:54of the 80s
00:52:55in which he warns
00:52:56that the children
00:52:56on the contrary
00:52:57They don't usually see
00:52:58religious images
00:52:59nor angels
00:53:00usually see
00:53:00classmates
00:53:01that is to say
00:53:02something very much
00:53:03but deceased
00:53:03already
00:53:04more banal
00:53:05not classmates
00:53:06that at a given moment
00:53:07they may be alive
00:53:08But they're just stories.
00:53:09obviously
00:53:10perhaps because of its development
00:53:11psychological
00:53:12less elaborate
00:53:13another study
00:53:14For example
00:53:14the Orientals
00:53:15by Tagishi
00:53:16observe
00:53:17like the deities
00:53:18obviously
00:53:19correspond
00:53:20to culture
00:53:22prevailing
00:53:23in their environment
00:53:25so far
00:53:26from the tunnel
00:53:26obviously
00:53:27We all have
00:53:28those variables
00:53:29that answer
00:53:30physiological
00:53:30then those
00:53:31interpretations
00:53:32obviously
00:53:33regarding the figures
00:53:34that are observed
00:53:35etc.
00:53:36Well, they're going to have
00:53:36they will be mediated
00:53:37somehow
00:53:38through culture
00:53:39prevailing
00:53:39are reinterpreted
00:53:41are translated
00:53:41obviously
00:53:42There is one of these
00:53:44negative experiences
00:53:45that called me
00:53:46a lot of attention
00:53:46because of their similarity
00:53:48to what he tells us
00:53:49theology
00:53:50Christian theology
00:53:51and also
00:53:52the Hebrew
00:53:53in this sense
00:53:54about hell
00:53:55that define it
00:53:56such as absence
00:53:57of the presence
00:53:58of God
00:53:58being deprived
00:53:59of the presence
00:54:00of God
00:54:00and this person
00:54:01who experienced it
00:54:03obviously
00:54:03with great anguish
00:54:04It only says
00:54:06that he couldn't see anything
00:54:08but what did I feel
00:54:09around
00:54:10a loneliness
00:54:11so overwhelming
00:54:12only rotates
00:54:14for regrets
00:54:15constant lamentations
00:54:16that I didn't know
00:54:16where they came from
00:54:37which in fact
00:54:38changed his life
00:54:39was a person
00:54:40that had
00:54:40serious problems
00:54:42of conscience
00:54:42with things
00:54:43that he had done
00:54:44in his previous life
00:54:44and it happened
00:54:45something positive
00:54:47or negative
00:54:47it happens to him
00:54:48almost everyone
00:54:49those who have had
00:54:50this type of experience
00:54:50which is
00:54:51They undergo a transformation
00:54:52extremely important personnel
00:54:55that stirs them
00:54:56the foundations
00:54:56of their own identity
00:54:57and always for the best
00:54:59or almost always for the best
00:55:00we are not going to generate
00:55:01a very interesting factor
00:55:03Santi
00:55:03what happens next
00:55:04from the experience
00:55:04because it seems
00:55:05that the individual
00:55:06after the trance
00:55:07He will never be the same again
00:55:09before answering
00:55:10and for example
00:55:11try to find out
00:55:12What can we say?
00:55:13What can you tell him?
00:55:13rather
00:55:14to that person
00:55:15who is at home
00:55:15and who knows
00:55:17that he
00:55:17a relative
00:55:18someone
00:55:18has seen this
00:55:20type of tunnel
00:55:21has had an experience
00:55:22in that way of interpreting it
00:55:23or has felt
00:55:24that presence
00:55:25of the relatives
00:55:26We'll try again later
00:55:27somehow
00:55:28answer
00:55:28But we'll be back
00:55:29if you agree
00:55:30with Sam Parnia
00:55:31which is also ours
00:55:32protagonist
00:55:33from the other side
00:55:34from the puddle
00:55:34and we listened
00:55:35another new statement
00:55:36his
00:55:37what we found
00:55:38It's that when the brain
00:55:39it stops
00:55:40the mind seems
00:55:40continue to function
00:55:41if we can test it
00:55:43It will be something very significant.
00:55:44that the mind
00:55:45and consciousness
00:55:46is an entity
00:55:47not yet discovered
00:55:48through science
00:55:48different from the processes
00:55:50chemicals that occur
00:55:51in the brain
00:55:52obviously
00:55:52if we manage to prove it
00:55:54This will have
00:55:54profound repercussions
00:55:55not only in science
00:55:56but also
00:55:57for all of humanity
00:55:59There is still fear
00:56:00We're talking about this country
00:56:01specifically
00:56:01talk about this
00:56:04We had experiences
00:56:05well, as very autonomous
00:56:06and often
00:56:07They were also
00:56:07absolutely blocked
00:56:10because?
00:56:11Yes, at an international level
00:56:12There are so many articles
00:56:13so much interest
00:56:14Many people will wonder
00:56:15Why in our country
00:56:17This isn't talked about much, is it?
00:56:19because?
00:56:19What do you think?
00:56:20probably because still
00:56:21we are in the phase
00:56:22latency
00:56:25So I think that
00:56:26the latest experiments
00:56:28and above all
00:56:29this great project
00:56:30of the 1500 patients
00:56:32that will be studied
00:56:33It's going to make us think
00:56:35indeed
00:56:36that this is
00:56:38one way
00:56:39It is a scientific area
00:56:41like any other
00:56:42but also
00:56:42It has more of an incentive
00:56:44of ethics
00:56:47even the supernatural
00:56:49I would like to say
00:56:50something related
00:56:51with this
00:56:51And that's because
00:56:52I'm very interested
00:56:53the returning patient
00:56:55but not only
00:56:56from a scientific point of view
00:56:57but also
00:56:58from a psychological point of view
00:56:59and from the point of view
00:57:00of what can
00:57:01to offer us
00:57:02a patient like that
00:57:03And it's one of the things
00:57:05fundamental to me
00:57:06the thing is
00:57:07these patients
00:57:08They stop being afraid
00:57:10to death
00:57:11key
00:57:12and then
00:57:13look
00:57:13what a lesson
00:57:15for everyone
00:57:15tell us
00:57:16if death is a thing
00:57:17even beautiful
00:57:18It's nice
00:57:19That will change us.
00:57:21radically
00:57:22our way of thinking
00:57:24in death
00:57:24like something eerie
00:57:25besides
00:57:25all this is
00:57:26fostered by a society
00:57:28consumer
00:57:28in which the word death
00:57:29attempts are made to avoid
00:57:30does not exist
00:57:31paradoxically
00:57:32this type of knowledge
00:57:33that changes us
00:57:35That's life
00:57:35the way we confront each other
00:57:37in daily tasks
00:57:39in which many times
00:57:40let's go
00:57:41of a series of objectives
00:57:43that would change
00:57:44in turn totally
00:57:45if we knew
00:57:46What is happening?
00:57:47beyond
00:57:48that we may face
00:57:49calmly
00:57:50It's curiously
00:57:51It's a study
00:57:51I say this for those who
00:57:52that they believe the topic
00:57:53It's rather eerie.
00:57:54It is not
00:57:55It's about life
00:57:56of one's own life
00:57:57of human beings
00:57:58and changes radically
00:57:59people's lives
00:58:00perception
00:58:00There is a study
00:58:01of the international association
00:58:02for the studies
00:58:03on the verge of death
00:58:0480%
00:58:05of people
00:58:06that they have studied
00:58:07her life changed
00:58:08radically
00:58:09For example
00:58:10they believe
00:58:1180%
00:58:12in a universal life
00:58:13in the afterlife
00:58:15most of them
00:58:16begins to believe
00:58:17in the afterlife
00:58:18a high proportion
00:58:19They believe in reincarnation
00:58:21total absence
00:58:22fear of death
00:58:24some acquire
00:58:26a certain sensitivity
00:58:27psychic
00:58:27also increases
00:58:29the desire
00:58:29of being alone
00:58:30It's very curious.
00:58:31lack of interest
00:58:33in material success
00:58:34but instead
00:58:35are interested
00:58:36in spiritual development
00:58:38It's a shock
00:58:39therefore
00:58:39what happens
00:58:40completely
00:58:40and look
00:58:41such simple things
00:58:42how to drink a glass
00:58:44or smoke
00:58:45most of them
00:58:46They stop drinking alcohol
00:58:47and they quit smoking
00:58:48we listen
00:58:48It is the last document
00:58:50of Saint Parmia
00:58:50because now we're talking
00:58:51of what can happen
00:58:53in Spain
00:58:53and of course
00:58:54if you have
00:58:55an experience
00:58:55of this type
00:58:56and wants
00:58:57Let them investigate her
00:58:59observe her
00:58:59contemplate it
00:59:01scientists
00:59:01high level
00:59:02I believe it's an opportunity
00:59:03important tonight
00:59:04We listen to Saint Parmia
00:59:06We are very interested.
00:59:07in listening
00:59:08the experiences
00:59:08of the people
00:59:09in different cultures
00:59:10So if anyone
00:59:11has had experiences
00:59:12in Spain
00:59:12I would be fascinated
00:59:13to listen to them
00:59:14talk about their experiences
00:59:15near death
00:59:16We are just getting started
00:59:17the collaboration
00:59:18between the United States
00:59:19and Europe
00:59:19in total
00:59:20of 25 hospital centers
00:59:22and we're looking forward to it
00:59:23extend this collaboration
00:59:24to Spain
00:59:24So if any doctor
00:59:25in emergency rooms
00:59:26or in cardiology
00:59:27or in any area
00:59:28I would like to collaborate
00:59:29with us
00:59:30we would be very happy
00:59:31to meet them
00:59:32if anyone wants
00:59:33to tell an experience
00:59:34José Miguel
00:59:34if anyone wants
00:59:36Show your case
00:59:37is interested
00:59:38to truly know
00:59:39what can you do
00:59:39well, it can be
00:59:41in contact
00:59:41with us
00:59:42For example
00:59:43in the email
00:59:44We see it there
00:59:44or on the web
00:59:45also through
00:59:46from the questionnaire
00:59:47narrating
00:59:48leaving your details
00:59:49we will put
00:59:50in contact
00:59:51with these people
00:59:53and of course
00:59:54We already have
00:59:54a database
00:59:56certainly important
00:59:57which without a doubt
00:59:58in the very near future
00:59:59It will shed new light
01:00:00and then
01:00:01It's going to make you feel
01:00:02to people
01:00:02in a way
01:00:03much more natural
01:00:04I think that also
01:00:05this type of experiments
01:00:06this type of studies
01:00:08will perform
01:00:09a transformation
01:00:10important social
01:00:12It goes beyond
01:00:12of the scientific
01:00:13go inside
01:00:14of the human
01:00:15a character
01:00:15so unlikely to be suspicious
01:00:16of having been manipulated
01:00:17like Goethe
01:00:18his last words
01:00:20fairly
01:00:20were
01:00:21and at that time
01:00:21besides
01:00:22of these types of topics
01:00:23There was no talking
01:00:24practically
01:00:24nor even less
01:00:25tunnel effect
01:00:26but his last words
01:00:27were
01:00:27the light
01:00:28the light
01:00:30José Miguel Gaona
01:00:32as usual
01:00:32friend
01:00:33a very large arm
01:00:34thank you
01:00:34one more time
01:00:35Mariano Betes
01:00:36Quite a discovery!
01:00:37thanks my friend
01:00:38for coming here
01:00:38to the mystery ship
01:00:39and Santi
01:00:40in the end
01:00:40we are on the threshold
01:00:41I hope we can say that
01:00:43that not only
01:00:44in the United States
01:00:44They have that drive
01:00:45they're moving forward
01:00:4625 hospitals
01:00:47than in Spain
01:00:48There is also an example
01:00:49I think some hospital
01:00:50Spanish
01:00:50or someone in charge
01:00:51research
01:00:52Spanish
01:00:52will take up the challenge
01:00:53because the topic
01:00:54It's worth it
01:00:55Thanks Santi
01:00:55as usual
01:00:56Let's look at some pictures.
01:00:57which have a lot to do with each other
01:00:58with all this
01:00:59well yes
01:00:59those strange images
01:01:00that many times
01:01:01They show us lights
01:01:02or tunnels
01:01:03Let's go with them
01:01:04images from Cuarto Milenio
01:01:16And the truth is that
01:01:17after the program
01:01:18tonight
01:01:19with matters
01:01:20like the one in the newspaper archive
01:01:21the Espinar cemetery
01:01:22they remember
01:01:22or like the studies
01:01:25of the scientists
01:01:26around the threshold
01:01:27of death
01:01:27It's perfect.
01:01:29this photograph
01:01:29obtained by Vanessa Estevez
01:01:31in the cemetery
01:01:32from Oxford
01:01:33were
01:01:34visiting this place
01:01:36was next
01:01:37to a friend
01:01:38and he sent us
01:01:39this photograph
01:01:40because I saw
01:01:40like strange luminaries
01:01:42as if they were
01:01:43flames coming out
01:01:44from the back
01:01:45of the cemetery
01:01:46also a cemetery
01:01:47as we see
01:01:48It has all the grass
01:01:49They are ancient tombs
01:01:51he told us
01:01:52what could it be
01:01:53Let's see, Iker
01:01:54where she saw
01:01:56precisely
01:01:59those anomalies
01:02:00Let's clarify
01:02:01even the photograph
01:02:02so that it can be seen
01:02:03Everything is so much better.
01:02:04There we see the tombs
01:02:05because of the lack of light
01:02:07that there was
01:02:07in the cemetery
01:02:08It seems that some
01:02:09They are out of focus
01:02:10and how moves
01:02:11They are as if they were
01:02:13stretched
01:02:14as if the light
01:02:14would reflect on them
01:02:16on the stone
01:02:17and this would have
01:02:18caused
01:02:18those effects
01:02:20There we have
01:02:21what they identified
01:02:22like a figure
01:02:23flamingo
01:02:25and in this case
01:02:26what we have to say
01:02:27and what they tell us
01:02:27the analyses
01:02:28by Guillermo León
01:02:29If you want, Iker
01:02:30We even expanded it
01:02:31to see if our viewers
01:02:32they can see
01:02:33something strange about them
01:02:35There it is
01:02:37what it tells us
01:02:38Guillermo León
01:02:39in the analyses
01:02:39It's simply
01:02:41It is about
01:02:41of the streetlights
01:02:42what lies behind
01:02:43in the city
01:02:44in the town
01:02:45where they were
01:02:46those streetlights
01:02:47due to the low light
01:02:48that is in the cemetery
01:02:49and to the conditions
01:02:50lighting
01:02:50that was right behind
01:02:52have caused
01:02:53that came out like flames
01:02:54and that it be made visible
01:02:56this figure
01:02:56which of course
01:02:57I wasn't there
01:02:57So in this case
01:02:59nor spectrum
01:02:59nor will-o'-the-wisp
01:03:00although it seems so
01:03:01look
01:03:01There we have
01:03:02There we have the image
01:03:03truly amazing
01:03:04as if it were
01:03:05with a thermal camera
01:03:06TRUE?
01:03:06but in this case
01:03:07nothing
01:03:08with solution
01:03:09Well, let's see if there's a solution.
01:03:10for this one that sends
01:03:11Carmen Lobato
01:03:12because here we have
01:03:13one of those presences
01:03:14which has become a cause for concern
01:03:16to people
01:03:17that coexist
01:03:18in this place
01:03:19Let's see
01:03:20photographs
01:03:20with anomalies
01:03:21like this one we're seeing
01:03:23And you already know
01:03:23that there are two ways to contact
01:03:24if they want to send us
01:03:26such strange photos
01:03:27or the videos
01:03:28like the one we have seen
01:03:29in Belchite
01:03:29with that shot
01:03:31TRUE?
01:03:31their experiences
01:03:32and their dreams
01:03:33that we are compiling them all
01:03:34to show them here
01:03:36on Fourth Millennium
01:03:37two ways of contact
01:03:38fourth millennium
01:03:39at4.com
01:03:40and the post office box
01:03:4218189
01:03:43with the postal code of Madrid
01:03:4628080
01:03:46And here we see a house
01:03:48a mirror
01:03:49Do you remember that recently
01:03:50in the program
01:03:51we talk about mirrors
01:03:52and what these reflected
01:03:54sometimes
01:03:54another reality
01:03:55TRUE?
01:03:56urban legends
01:03:57in this case
01:03:58we see it as if it were
01:03:59a figure
01:04:00besides
01:04:00It reminds me
01:04:01even
01:04:02to that figure
01:04:03that we have
01:04:04in mind
01:04:05and it's drawn
01:04:07in many places
01:04:07as if it were death
01:04:08Doesn't it remind you
01:04:09to a skull?
01:04:10look
01:04:12look
01:04:12See?
01:04:13like a hooded figure
01:04:14very white
01:04:15with empty basins
01:04:16What could it be?
01:04:17big scare
01:04:18the one this family had
01:04:19me too
01:04:20if I had it at home
01:04:20I would take it
01:04:21But let's see
01:04:22where is?
01:04:24look
01:04:24Guillermo
01:04:25Guillermo
01:04:25has
01:04:25even
01:04:26cut
01:04:27the figure
01:04:28has clarified it
01:04:29oh
01:04:29a little creepy
01:04:31TRUE?
01:04:32but
01:04:32again
01:04:33We have a solution
01:04:35there we recreated it
01:04:36I don't know if it's scarier.
01:04:37the image
01:04:37or recreation
01:04:38that has made us
01:04:39our analyst
01:04:41the solution
01:04:42It's that the ornaments
01:04:43that there is precisely
01:04:43behind
01:04:44even
01:04:45a jug
01:04:46or vase
01:04:46which is
01:04:47Guillermo identifies
01:04:48together
01:04:48with some stains
01:04:50that was in the mirror
01:04:51have caused
01:04:52This curious image
01:04:53just watch
01:04:54pareidolia in this case
01:04:56but one of the strangest
01:04:57that we have met
01:04:58Yes, yes
01:04:58and very realistic faces
01:05:00very emphatic
01:05:01and with an expression
01:05:02strange
01:05:03like being
01:05:04in another world
01:05:04and they really are
01:05:05They keep appearing
01:05:06in archaeological sites
01:05:07from all over the planet
01:05:09and sometimes
01:05:10I get the feeling
01:05:11that we don't give it to him
01:05:11the importance
01:05:12that it deserves
01:05:13For example
01:05:13this week
01:05:14a team
01:05:15by Spanish scientists
01:05:17found
01:05:17a large cemetery
01:05:19Phoenician
01:05:20one of those cultures
01:05:21who had an attachment
01:05:22fundamental
01:05:23to the afterlife
01:05:24to prove it
01:05:24another thing
01:05:25that has been discovered
01:05:26a few days ago
01:05:26experts say
01:05:28which is the first stele
01:05:29that speaks of the soul
01:05:31in the sense
01:05:32that soul
01:05:33it was stuck
01:05:34remained attached
01:05:35to the very stone
01:05:37It is Phoenicia
01:05:388th century
01:05:40B.C.
01:05:42we see the deceased
01:05:43the image itself
01:05:44of the deceased
01:05:44patiently sculpted
01:05:46We see him with a kind
01:05:47of food
01:05:48meat
01:05:49with a glass
01:05:50that is to say
01:05:50is enjoying
01:05:51of the delicacies
01:05:52out of this world
01:05:53and the registration
01:05:55I repeat
01:05:56they say that
01:05:57extremely important
01:05:58in its meaning
01:05:58states that
01:06:00the soul
01:06:01somehow
01:06:01has passed
01:06:02that threshold
01:06:03that gigantic tunnel
01:06:04but at the same time
01:06:06It will remain here
01:06:06part of its subject
01:06:07will remain
01:06:08enveloping the place
01:06:11first
01:06:11sign
01:06:12that for the ancients
01:06:14it was not only important
01:06:15to go beyond
01:06:15but the environments
01:06:17or sacred enclaves
01:06:18over there
01:06:19he stayed too
01:06:20part of its essence
01:06:22There is so much to learn.
01:06:23TRUE?
01:06:24so much so that it surprises us
01:06:25in this technological world
01:06:26emerging
01:06:27from the entrails
01:06:28of the earth
01:06:28us in seven days
01:06:30We will continue with that work.
01:06:31continue to surprise us
01:06:33looking at the cosmos
01:06:34and looking into the depths
01:06:36until next week
01:06:37friends
01:06:37I'll be waiting for you here.
01:06:38as usual
01:06:38on the mystery ship
01:06:40that surprises us
01:06:54on the mystery ship
01:07:10Thank you!
01:07:38Thank you!