- hace 14 horas
Categoría
📺
TVTranscripción
00:00:11This week we're doing a double feature in a place of mystery, the old town of Belchite.
00:00:16Remember that seven days ago, well, we broadcast a strange recording.
00:00:20It's happened again, Carmen.
00:00:22On the previous occasion, what we heard was a kind of gunshot, right?
00:00:26Furthermore, the sound was perfect, and the tape recorders were even placed in the foreground.
00:00:30It drowned out the voices of the researchers who approached the old town of Belchite.
00:00:36In this case, a friend, Jonas, sent us another video, this one of a noisy building.
00:00:43from this town also devastated by the war, and again voices.
00:00:48He tells us that he hears children's voices, or at least that's what he interprets, and says that he hears, uh, come all.
00:00:54There's a very loud noise, which seems to be in the background, and it's quite difficult to hear.
00:01:01But it is true that there is a voice that sneaks in around the twenty-second mark, and it says, uh,
00:01:06Come all.
00:01:07Okay, well, come on everyone, let's listen to her.
00:01:12Because it's new, because it's brand new.
00:01:15Okay, I'm fine with this.
00:01:33There's the document, there's the recording.
00:01:36Well, it would be interesting to compare it with many others that have been around for exactly, well, no more and no less,
00:01:43Twenty-two years, from the Fourth Dimension team, by Carlos Bogdánich, Radio Heraldo,
00:01:48Things have been recorded, and it seems that, well, it's an interesting goldmine.
00:01:52However, one word of advice: be very careful, because there are dangers in Belchite.
00:01:55and not necessarily supernatural, but dangers if one goes about it recklessly,
00:01:58The possibility of a wall falling down, or one of those pieces of wood or beams breaking, is dangerous.
00:02:04Please be careful, you always need to ask for permission, we're saying this from here.
00:02:08Seek advice from the authorities, and please proceed with great care.
00:02:13because it's part of our history.
00:02:14Part of the story, but of ufology, is what is happening in the United Kingdom.
00:02:18You remember, right? The declassification of UFO files.
00:02:21What's incredible is that this case is so recent and so close to home.
00:02:25Yes, a few days ago a previously secret UFO report was released in England.
00:02:31Apparently, a police helicopter almost collided with a UFO.
00:02:35while carrying out a reconnaissance mission over Birmingham.
00:02:38It all happened on May 2nd, around 9:50 a.m.
00:02:42According to the report, the three people who were on the helicopter
00:02:45They observed a small flying device directly in front of them.
00:02:48that emitted blue-green rays at a distance of 7 or 8 meters.
00:02:54To avoid the collision, the pilot was forced to change course.
00:02:58The report says the unidentified flying object
00:03:01It was small in size, possibly made of non-metallic materials
00:03:05and that he also came with bad intentions.
00:03:10A spectacular case, certainly, May 2nd of this year, surprising.
00:03:13As surprising as it is that Milosevic, no more and no less,
00:03:16It had a print by the most important artist, of course,
00:03:21from the border of the 18th and 19th centuries, such as Francisco de Goya.
00:03:27Also, a very famous engraving.
00:03:30Yes, well, in the mansion of the former Serbian president Milosevic,
00:03:34There was a Goya engraving.
00:03:37This is the engraving Muchachos a la Vío,
00:03:39which was made on copper by the famous Spanish painter Francisco de Goya.
00:03:43Apparently, the work, which was part of a series of engravings called Los Caprichos,
00:03:47It belonged to a museum in Belgrade and disappeared in 1996.
00:03:52It was found in the kitchen of the mansion where the late president lived.
00:03:57The experts who have examined it assure that the engravings belong to the collection.
00:04:01They were made in the 19th century and, of course,
00:04:05They don't have the same value as an original Goya painting.
00:04:07although they come from the original plates of this great master.
00:04:11Incidentally, we always pay homage to Goya with that series of Los Caprichos.
00:04:16There were many others, weren't there?
00:04:18Disasters of war, there were some even more disturbing ones, like dreams or nonsense.
00:04:25There are examples of that art, absolutely, which is a break with time.
00:04:31Guys, look at Vío, that engraving that was in the house of that absolutely terrifying man,
00:04:37much more than the content painted by the brilliant Aragonese.
00:04:41Incidentally, that's one of the zoological enigmas that was being discussed a long time ago.
00:04:45And, even if only in very closed circles, they debated,
00:04:48It might sound funny, but it has its quirks.
00:04:52which is the shell of turtles.
00:04:54How did it form and why does it occur with these animals?
00:04:57Now, a group of Chinese scientists has discovered a fossilized turtle shell.
00:05:02oldest in the world and, in addition, has revealed the origin of this part of the animal.
00:05:07According to Nature magazine, this discovery opens a new path
00:05:10in the investigation of reptile evolution
00:05:12and will cause scientists to rethink the origin of the turtle.
00:05:16The fossils found date back more than 220 million years,
00:05:21They possess a fully formed ventral shell
00:05:23and a dorsal shell that appeared to still be evolving.
00:05:27Furthermore, experts have discovered that the shell grew from the vertebrae,
00:05:31which contradicts previous versions that the shell
00:05:35It had formed from the fusion of bone deposits.
00:05:38The origin of turtles is much more complex than we had imagined.
00:05:42And the latest findings suggest that turtles may have evolved in the water.
00:05:48And now, although this news could perfectly well be,
00:05:51in the next everyday hodgepodge of the fourth millennium,
00:05:54that kind of Pandora's box, an unusual world.
00:06:02The first unusual news story takes us to the Gobi Desert.
00:06:06There, 500 tombs have been found, and one of them is very special.
00:06:10There is a mummy, a mummy of a man with light hair and blue eyes,
00:06:16which was also accompanied by some bridles, a harp...
00:06:19He is believed to have been a shaman.
00:06:21A shaman who had a bag with some strange herbs.
00:06:24Herbs that, after being analyzed, have been discovered to be marijuana.
00:06:29But marijuana was used for medical and divinatory purposes.
00:06:34Until now, the oldest reference was in Judea.
00:06:38That marijuana, which was used for childbirth, was 1700 years old.
00:06:43The women inhaled it and thus fell asleep more easily and had less pain when giving birth.
00:06:49And from the Gobi Desert we go to Gibraltar.
00:06:52There, the government has ceded a building, which in the 16th century was the old convent of La Merced,
00:06:58to the Cervantes Institute to set up its offices there.
00:07:01These people, while undergoing rehabilitation, have already realized that strange things were happening.
00:07:06The workers say they see strange figures or shadows.
00:07:09And it seems that the specter has been appearing for a long time, or so they say.
00:07:14of a nun who died under strange circumstances.
00:07:18A governor's wife saw her leaving her own room.
00:07:21And more recently, in 2007, a Maltese citizen was at a dinner party,
00:07:27precisely in that building, and he says that the nun appeared to him, habit and all.
00:07:32And the latest news seems like an urban legend.
00:07:36Those kinds of things that are sometimes presented as true in the media, but then turn out not to be.
00:07:41But in this case, it is. What's more, it's terrible.
00:07:44A woman in Arizona, in the United States, goes to the doctor because, apparently, she wasn't swallowing properly.
00:07:49and even one of his arms had lost mobility.
00:07:53The surgeon decides to operate on her and, when he opens the brain, he realizes that there is a worm inside it.
00:08:00Apparently, the 37-year-old woman ingested contaminated food.
00:08:05The worm grew and settled in his brain.
00:08:09And speaking of unusual things, almost with that concept in mind,
00:08:13We're going to resurrect an old publication that was truly full of terrors and anxieties.
00:08:23to the population of the 1910s in our country.
00:08:27Let's do it because it's going to be amazing.
00:08:29And for that, of course, we opened our old archive, the newspaper library.
00:08:41Tonight we dust off here in the newspaper archives a publication that marked an era, the 1910s.
00:08:47It will significantly delay our timeline for reaching the beginning of the 20th century.
00:08:54where there were spectacular cases.
00:08:56And let me read to you, even if it's just a fragment, how the events unfolded.
00:09:02That's the newspaper.
00:09:03For example, a story that happened in Mexico could be featured on the front page, like
00:09:05Eaten by mosquitoes, nothing more, nothing less.
00:09:08There are many people, Gre Carmen, who thought the case was the great weekly crime magazine.
00:09:12And no, there were others long before.
00:09:14For example, regarding the case of Enriqueta Martí, do you remember?
00:09:17The Vampire of Barcelona.
00:09:18You're going to see documents that I don't think have ever been exhumed before.
00:09:22Stunning photographs.
00:09:23But the events, his large audience said, were as follows.
00:09:26That's how he wrote.
00:09:28I was saying, it causes real horror.
00:09:30Read the details of the records carried out to clarify the sinister matter.
00:09:35The macabre findings of bones, creatures, jars of clotted blood, potions, strange recipes,
00:09:41They make you think of witchcraft and spells.
00:09:43And it's hard to believe that in this age of civilization, barbarism, ignorance, and superstition still exist.
00:09:48can be the cause of such heinous crimes.
00:09:51They were talking about the discoveries all over Barcelona, of children's bodies,
00:09:55by the gang of kidnappers of that vampire, whom we already talked about here, Enriqueta Martí.
00:10:01And yes, they did publish impressive police photographs.
00:10:05Shocking photographs showing parents with some children
00:10:09some were rescued and others wanted to be sold to Enriqueta Martí Ripollés.
00:10:14Also at the home of this woman, this strange lady of high society during the day
00:10:21and a vagabond at night, some documents were found that referred to her
00:10:28to death certificates.
00:10:30Death of children who even said so in the cemetery where they were buried
00:10:33who were then completely alive.
00:10:36And a discovery that chilled the blood of the entire police force.
00:10:39The bones, human bones, belonging to at least 12 people.
00:10:44Well, but bones, as we see here in Castellá's photograph,
00:10:47who was the photographer of the events, of the workers,
00:10:51Well, by excavating in a wall, and that's where those remains are found.
00:10:56These are real, vintage photographs.
00:10:59Not only that, we've talked, and we did it here,
00:11:01We truly brought this case to the attention of the general public.
00:11:03like that beggar woman who went around with her potions, with her ointments,
00:11:07to the parties of the most successful in Barcelona,
00:11:10It turns out she had a lot of houses, the beggar woman had a lot of houses.
00:11:13The search is carried out and in a kitchen the hair and skull of several children are found.
00:11:17Well, here's the photograph where the city hall official had to cut.
00:11:22documents from that era, real police documents,
00:11:25which, as Carmen said, freeze the blood.
00:11:28That's how things unfolded.
00:11:29As soon as they started talking about outright crime,
00:11:31as if they were suddenly giving credence to little-known stories,
00:11:35like girls who had dermographies,
00:11:38that is, drawings on the skin that appeared suddenly,
00:11:41cases that could fully enter into the mystery.
00:11:43And it's our tribute, right?
00:11:45This publication would obviously disappear.
00:11:47as soon as the civil war began,
00:11:49The events, illustrated newspaper.
00:11:51And here we pay him our sincere and humble tribute.
00:11:55We also talked about the press, because it has had a lot to do with it
00:11:57around, I believe, the great archaeological scandal
00:12:00of recent years, many years,
00:12:03Because this is truly amazing.
00:12:06I'm talking about what could be
00:12:09enigma of the inscriptions of Iruña Beleya.
00:12:16On Friday, June 9, 2006,
00:12:19The Post Office, an essential and fundamental newspaper,
00:12:24It published the following major headlines.
00:12:26Historical discovery in Álava.
00:12:27They were talking about archaeology,
00:12:29but of a strange archaeology.
00:12:30An archaeology that has now, in some way, exploded,
00:12:34becoming, surely, a huge scandal.
00:12:38More than a thousand tablets,
00:12:39like the ones you're seeing here.
00:12:41Iruña Beleya, 10 kilometers from Vitoria.
00:12:44The first Calvary, the first crucifixion of Jesus,
00:12:48described, apparently, by some children.
00:12:50Some children who, under orders,
00:12:52of a kind of teacher who came from Egypt,
00:12:54According to experts,
00:12:56They drew portraits, they drew things from everyday life
00:13:00what we're going to see,
00:13:01but they also mixed them with words in Basque.
00:13:03The first Basque language.
00:13:05Apparently, this whole discovery delayed history.
00:13:08the chronology.
00:13:09About three centuries, or even six, some say,
00:13:11of the known history of that language.
00:13:14It's very curious, because surprises appear, like hieroglyphics.
00:13:19which are not such.
00:13:20A chaos of information.
00:13:22There's talk of a lot of money,
00:13:23There is talk of political responsibilities.
00:13:25What really happened?
00:13:26Well, tonight we're going to see a lot of things
00:13:30that have not yet been seen.
00:13:31And they're going to be surprised.
00:13:33The big scandal.
00:13:35The incomprehensible topic
00:13:37of what was discovered in Iruña Beleya.
00:13:42Behind this fence,
00:13:43a deposit of incalculable value awaits.
00:13:47In the Roman city of Iruña Beleya,
00:13:49which is located just 10 kilometers from Vitoria,
00:13:53A team of archaeologists has been working on it since 2001.
00:13:57The discoveries have sparked controversy
00:14:00unprecedented among scientists.
00:14:12They were officially presented in June 2006
00:14:17by the team of archaeologists from the site itself
00:14:22and by his advisors in Vitoria.
00:14:26And of course, well, it was...
00:14:29It caused an impressive impact,
00:14:31because on that occasion they reported
00:14:34from the appearance of some unexpected pieces
00:14:39in these latitudes and for those times.
00:14:44Inside this Roman domus,
00:14:46owned by a wealthy family from the 3rd century,
00:14:49a sealed chamber was found
00:14:51with more than 200 ceramic pieces
00:14:53with inscriptions and drawings.
00:14:55If true, they would change the history books.
00:14:59Pieces like this,
00:15:00the first depiction of Christ on the cross,
00:15:02It dates from the 3rd century.
00:15:04The oldest one known to date,
00:15:07It was found in the Roman catacombs of the 6th century.
00:15:11Alongside the first Calvary in history,
00:15:13These other pieces appeared
00:15:15with drawings of everyday scenes,
00:15:17Latin inscriptions
00:15:18And something even more surprising,
00:15:21Egyptian hieroglyphs and fragments in Basque,
00:15:24the first in history.
00:15:25The first documented reference to Basque
00:15:29It is found in the glosses of San Miriam from the 11th century.
00:15:32Hieroglyphic writing had disappeared five centuries before.
00:15:44In light of the set of 270 pieces,
00:15:47The archaeologists interpreted it as
00:15:50from a teaching classroom
00:15:52where a learned Egyptian instructor came from the East
00:15:55She taught classes to the children of the house.
00:15:58This explained everything.
00:16:04The local press
00:16:05It echoed this, giving coverage
00:16:07up to the task.
00:16:09The little Spanish Pompeii
00:16:11He had just been born on the outskirts of the Basque Country.
00:16:15Politicians, media,
00:16:18as well as some professors,
00:16:20They joined in the rejoicing.
00:16:23The analyses seemed correct,
00:16:25But some things didn't seem to add up.
00:16:32From the Provincial Council of Álava,
00:16:34A multidisciplinary research committee is created
00:16:37made up of 26 scientists.
00:16:39Two years later,
00:16:42on November 19th,
00:16:44appeared in the historic building
00:16:46of the General Assemblies of Álava.
00:16:50The conclusions we have reached
00:16:52They are based on analysis
00:16:53of all the graffiti
00:16:56from the different archaeological interventions
00:16:58that have been carried out in Pamplona
00:17:00from Gratiniano Nieto.
00:17:031023 graffiti,
00:17:051023 cards.
00:17:06Now you will understand
00:17:09Why since November, December 2006
00:17:12We epigraphers have not said anything yet.
00:17:15to this day.
00:17:16There are no iconographic elements
00:17:19with sufficient quality
00:17:22as if, moreover,
00:17:25anachronistic in many cases.
00:17:27And this is simply a series of stick figures.
00:17:29While supports must be considered
00:17:31indeed as authentic
00:17:32and generally datable
00:17:34between the 1st and 3rd centuries AD,
00:17:38The graffiti turn out to be fake.
00:17:40carried out successively,
00:17:42almost certainly in very recent times,
00:17:44perhaps at the very moment of its appearance.
00:17:48It was all a fraud.
00:17:50But who was responsible?
00:17:5624 hours later,
00:17:58the director of the site
00:17:59appeared at a press conference.
00:18:02Let's say suddenly
00:18:03We met overnight
00:18:05with a, in my opinion,
00:18:07practically a media lynching.
00:18:09The documentation,
00:18:11the archaeological method
00:18:12He has no problem.
00:18:14In other words, we could have
00:18:16a completely opposite opinion
00:18:18to what was proposed yesterday.
00:18:21After half an hour,
00:18:23Elisha could not justify himself.
00:18:26Society asks itself
00:18:27what have they invested in
00:18:28the four million euros
00:18:30And politicians are demanding answers.
00:18:34The forger is a hack.
00:18:37Therefore, I find it hard to believe
00:18:38that there might be an archaeologist,
00:18:39some scientist or some professional
00:18:41involved in the forgery.
00:18:43I think at least
00:18:44He could have done a little better.
00:18:46Our mission
00:18:47as the government of the Provincial Council of Álava
00:18:49is to report the case
00:18:51before the Prosecutor's Office
00:18:52And then it will be up to the Prosecutor's Office
00:18:53the one who decides the course
00:18:54that he has to undertake.
00:18:57Linguists know
00:18:58which is very likely
00:18:59that Basque was spoken
00:19:01two thousand years ago
00:19:01in the historical territories,
00:19:03but still
00:19:04Nothing has been found.
00:19:09With the after
00:19:10Irunia-Veleia,
00:19:11one another
00:19:12They already have their place
00:19:14in history.
00:19:23A couple of weeks ago
00:19:24we announced to them
00:19:25that we were going to investigate.
00:19:26It's a case
00:19:27which also affects us
00:19:28because it has happened
00:19:28in our land
00:19:29And it's surprising.
00:19:30I don't know
00:19:31if I fall short
00:19:32Or I'll go too far,
00:19:32but I think it's
00:19:33one of the greats
00:19:35archaeological scandals
00:19:37occurred in Spain.
00:19:39And as always happens,
00:19:40it's falling apart
00:19:41like a sugar cube
00:19:42and surely
00:19:43may never know the truth,
00:19:44So we have
00:19:44to bring together a group
00:19:45of experts
00:19:45and to know,
00:19:47to know what happened
00:19:48with all this
00:19:48which is the most
00:19:49amazing
00:19:50that I have known,
00:19:50Of course.
00:19:51That's what we have for.
00:19:52to good friends
00:19:52and true eminences,
00:19:54in the case of the doctor
00:19:55Antonio Piñero.
00:19:56Antonio,
00:19:57good night.
00:19:58Hello good evening.
00:19:59Professor Antonio Piñero
00:20:00that is observing
00:20:01with great attention
00:20:04these crucifixes,
00:20:05these crucifixions
00:20:07and,
00:20:08Well,
00:20:09the pen,
00:20:10first impression,
00:20:10I don't know
00:20:11What do you have to tell us?
00:20:12about some documents
00:20:14which needs to be said,
00:20:15They even became
00:20:16newspaper front page
00:20:18not only national
00:20:18but international.
00:20:19Well,
00:20:20Well, my first impression
00:20:21I told her two years ago,
00:20:23precisely in a program
00:20:25your radio
00:20:26that I was
00:20:27at that time
00:20:28in Las Palmas
00:20:29giving a lecture,
00:20:30They asked me,
00:20:31I saw it
00:20:32and I replied
00:20:33which, of course,
00:20:34I'm not an expert
00:20:35in archaeology,
00:20:36that I would have to wait,
00:20:37but that to me,
00:20:38said,
00:20:39I get a sense of smell
00:20:40that everything is
00:20:41Absolutely false.
00:20:43And was it June 2006?
00:20:44Yes, yes.
00:20:45I think it was,
00:20:45or around there,
00:20:46more or less.
00:20:47And keep thinking,
00:20:48Sure, obviously.
00:20:49No, yes.
00:20:49And above all,
00:20:50now that,
00:20:51since we're here
00:20:52and I go over the figures again,
00:20:54Well, it's a figurative representation.
00:20:56fully modern
00:20:57because,
00:20:58Look,
00:20:58first,
00:20:59like the crosses
00:21:00which are tremendously wide,
00:21:02because they have a figure on,
00:21:04how is it mixing
00:21:05What is perspective?
00:21:06from the Gospel of John,
00:21:07because you can't see it from there
00:21:08where it says scandal
00:21:09with the two figures
00:21:10at the foot of the cross
00:21:11and the other two little ones
00:21:13which is understood
00:21:14who are the two thieves,
00:21:15What's more,
00:21:16Yeah,
00:21:16There we have the complete picture,
00:21:17which is perspective
00:21:19of the other evangelists
00:21:20which are not
00:21:21the one from the fourth Gospel,
00:21:23fundamentally,
00:21:23I mean,
00:21:24which is a perspective
00:21:24very modern
00:21:25comparison
00:21:26between the Gospels
00:21:27and above all
00:21:27what is truly
00:21:29awesome,
00:21:29truly impressive
00:21:31It's RIP,
00:21:33that requiescat
00:21:34impact.
00:21:35Tell me about it now,
00:21:36Antonio,
00:21:36Tell me about it now.
00:21:36because many people
00:21:37He said that was the key,
00:21:38what caught our attention
00:21:39from the specialists
00:21:40And as always
00:21:41Let's enjoy it
00:21:42with your wisdom,
00:21:43Antonio,
00:21:44and with wisdom
00:21:44from our guest
00:21:45which is the first time
00:21:46who comes here
00:21:46to Fourth Millennium
00:21:47and we thank you for it.
00:21:48really
00:21:48because it was a
00:21:50of the first people
00:21:51which he already said
00:21:52that much caution
00:21:53with all this
00:21:53back when it was a time
00:21:55And I think this needs to be said.
00:21:56boiling point
00:21:57and lots of people
00:21:58that now
00:21:59She remains very cautious,
00:22:00obviously,
00:22:02I used to almost offer
00:22:03with champagne
00:22:04because it was the great discovery
00:22:05And that needs to be said.
00:22:06and they were able to
00:22:07to the newspaper archive,
00:22:07That's how it was said.
00:22:09She is Alicia Canto
00:22:11and Gregory,
00:22:12member of the department
00:22:13prehistory
00:22:14and archaeology
00:22:14of the Autonomous University
00:22:15from Madrid,
00:22:15tenured professor
00:22:16epigraphy
00:22:17and numismatics
00:22:17and as we say
00:22:19a true sage
00:22:20in all these matters
00:22:22and that he also became passionate,
00:22:23I imagine,
00:22:24with something so strange,
00:22:25Alice,
00:22:25good night,
00:22:25as was the case
00:22:26from Iruña Veleya
00:22:27because I don't think there was one
00:22:28nothing like that
00:22:29in our land,
00:22:30Speaking of Spain
00:22:31in general.
00:22:32The first impression
00:22:33as for many people,
00:22:34To be honest, it didn't last long.
00:22:35the first impression,
00:22:37because it is also
00:22:38by surprise
00:22:39and enthusiasm
00:22:41because logically
00:22:43to any epigraphist
00:22:45a discovery
00:22:46of these characteristics
00:22:48It's something that impresses you,
00:22:50promises you
00:22:51high expectations.
00:22:52Because it would be very important
00:22:53If it were real,
00:22:54No?
00:22:54Yes, that's what happens
00:22:55is that the first thing
00:22:55I already realized it
00:22:57It was a set
00:22:58too varied,
00:22:59I mean,
00:22:59You can't revolutionize
00:23:01in so many fields
00:23:01both,
00:23:03hieroglyphs,
00:23:04Christianity,
00:23:05the first Calvary
00:23:07acquaintance,
00:23:09the words
00:23:09in Basque,
00:23:10that is to say,
00:23:12those of us who have already excavated
00:23:14and more or less
00:23:15You know what might happen
00:23:16in a deposit,
00:23:18well this set
00:23:19It was a little surprising
00:23:21and then
00:23:22when I started reading
00:23:23The news already
00:23:24that were arriving
00:23:25Well, it was already the 9th
00:23:27I already had to show myself
00:23:28surprised
00:23:29by some of the,
00:23:30especially some headlines
00:23:32impressive,
00:23:33It was immediately noticeable
00:23:34that many people
00:23:36above all
00:23:37Basque speaker
00:23:38because she had conceived
00:23:39immediately
00:23:40delusions,
00:23:41expectations,
00:23:43Well,
00:23:43fed a little
00:23:44logically too
00:23:45by philologists
00:23:46that guaranteed
00:23:47all these findings,
00:23:49But they've already started to come out
00:23:50some problematic parts,
00:23:52this,
00:23:52above all,
00:23:53where I saw immediately
00:23:55that the RIP
00:23:56It was literally impossible.
00:23:58because a Christian
00:24:00believes in the resurrection
00:24:01of Jesus Christ
00:24:02and the RIP
00:24:03people are put
00:24:04because of mortal flesh
00:24:05that is there
00:24:07expecting
00:24:07the day of the resurrection.
00:24:08I mean,
00:24:08little less than that
00:24:09It was a kind of heresy
00:24:10if it had been done that way
00:24:11in its time,
00:24:12No?
00:24:12I saw that it was a graph
00:24:14practically from FEMO.
00:24:15Don't lift me up again,
00:24:16Please, Alicia,
00:24:17because I believe the issue
00:24:17It's so exciting,
00:24:18But as we are seeing,
00:24:19that is to say,
00:24:19There were so many things
00:24:21that the researchers,
00:24:22those who really
00:24:23They were doing scientific work,
00:24:24they said this
00:24:25Or was that a discovery?
00:24:26that is to say,
00:24:26or history breaks down
00:24:27in a thousand pieces
00:24:28and in Uña Belé
00:24:29There was already something
00:24:30incredibly exceptional
00:24:31or something happens.
00:24:32And we're going to debate.
00:24:32Previously we presented
00:24:33to all my friends
00:24:34Nacho Ores,
00:24:38with this program.
00:24:39Good night.
00:24:40Good night.
00:24:41How are you?
00:24:41We've talked a lot
00:24:41Yours in this, huh?
00:24:42The truth is, yes.
00:24:44A few weeks ago
00:24:45on the radio program,
00:24:46maybe,
00:24:47as Alicia was now predicting,
00:24:49the element
00:24:50that perhaps
00:24:52initially
00:24:52to any researcher,
00:24:53even any fan
00:24:55to archaeology,
00:24:56may make him suspicious
00:24:58the possible fraud
00:24:59of this series
00:25:01of discoveries
00:25:02is that in an excavation
00:25:04you can find
00:25:05a unique piece,
00:25:06a unique piece,
00:25:07without parallels,
00:25:09But when you find
00:25:10such magnitude
00:25:11unique pieces
00:25:13absolutely extraordinary,
00:25:16enigmatic,
00:25:17singular,
00:25:18It's something to think about.
00:25:20There are so many questions,
00:25:21We're going to try to make them,
00:25:23that they tell us things
00:25:24and the last guest,
00:25:26not because of them,
00:25:26the least important,
00:25:27because he just arrived from there,
00:25:28It's Luis,
00:25:29Luis who has been
00:25:30not only recording all of this
00:25:31and also obtaining
00:25:32images of some pieces
00:25:34which practically
00:25:35They're going to see each other today.
00:25:35for the first time,
00:25:36for the general public,
00:25:37our experts
00:25:38They will tell us
00:25:39What do they see?
00:25:39What is it that they don't see?
00:25:40But Luis also,
00:25:42as usual,
00:25:42It came with that movie
00:25:43of the facts
00:25:44well, I got a little involved
00:25:45in the soul,
00:25:46Seeing the looks,
00:25:47watching people,
00:25:48What was the opinion?
00:25:49what was being said,
00:25:50What a tremendous upheaval,
00:25:51We're talking here
00:25:52of a scandal
00:25:52first level
00:25:53and we also talked
00:25:54of a lot of money invested,
00:25:56with high expectations,
00:25:57of museums
00:25:57that were going to be done
00:25:58with these pieces
00:25:59as a major attraction
00:26:00and deep down
00:26:01of something that shows
00:26:02for the first time
00:26:02to Jesus crucified,
00:26:04in the end,
00:26:05Luis,
00:26:06good night.
00:26:07Good night,
00:26:07Iker.
00:26:07And what brings you from there?
00:26:08What was the feeling like?
00:26:10Well,
00:26:10for a start,
00:26:11a large stack of newspapers
00:26:12with headlines
00:26:13which say it all,
00:26:14the findings of Iruña-Veleya
00:26:15They are false.
00:26:16the researchers conclude
00:26:17and the feeling
00:26:18that there is a huge disappointment
00:26:19in the Basque Country
00:26:20because of those expectations
00:26:22which I mentioned earlier
00:26:23the teacher
00:26:23that had been done
00:26:24and let's say
00:26:25that they have played
00:26:25in a very sensitive fiber
00:26:26of Basque society,
00:26:27but above all
00:26:28also
00:26:29It needs to be made clear
00:26:30that still remain
00:26:31many questions to be answered,
00:26:32The story hasn't been told yet,
00:26:34More information will be released
00:26:35throughout the days
00:26:36because still
00:26:36the scientific team
00:26:37directed by Eliseo Gil
00:26:39who is the director
00:26:40from Iruña-Veleya
00:26:42He still has
00:26:42a short term
00:26:43in order to justify themselves
00:26:45although we have seen
00:26:46a press conference
00:26:46in which he was unable
00:26:47in half an hour
00:26:48to be able to explain
00:26:49what had happened.
00:26:50So still
00:26:51There is still much to discuss
00:26:51and above all to know
00:26:52who was responsible
00:26:53of all this.
00:26:55Let's begin
00:26:55with the analysis
00:26:56and he was already telling Alice something
00:26:58And I give the floor to Antonio
00:26:59about the RIP
00:27:00as we were saying
00:27:01It was almost blasphemy.
00:27:02That's the first thing.
00:27:03that caught your attention.
00:27:04Well, more than blasphemy
00:27:05It's an absolute anachronism.
00:27:08RIP
00:27:08It's a Latin phrase
00:27:10what is
00:27:11requiescat impacte
00:27:12that is to say
00:27:13Rest in peace
00:27:14and it's a phrase
00:27:16very famous
00:27:17of book four
00:27:18of Esdras.
00:27:19That's an apocryphal work.
00:27:20of the Old Testament
00:27:21not even
00:27:22It is published
00:27:23in Spanish still
00:27:24It's going to be released next year
00:27:25coming
00:27:26and it turns out that
00:27:27that phrase
00:27:29begins to be used
00:27:31as I understand it
00:27:33from the 6th century onwards
00:27:34in any case
00:27:35and above all
00:27:36it is used
00:27:37from the 12th century onwards
00:27:38and never again
00:27:40on a crucifix
00:27:42but as there was
00:27:43He said it very well.
00:27:44Alice
00:27:45about the
00:27:47faithful Christians
00:27:48who are resting
00:27:50at peace
00:27:50because they are fair
00:27:52and they await the resurrection.
00:27:53The logical thing would be to see
00:27:54The INRI, right?
00:27:55Exactly
00:27:56So, a rip
00:27:56That's impressive.
00:27:58and look
00:27:58I don't know
00:27:58if someone said so
00:27:59Up on the great cross
00:28:01with those two lines
00:28:02If that seems to be the case
00:28:02from a modern comic book
00:28:04like when they get like that
00:28:05Well, to highlight
00:28:06That's a
00:28:07come on
00:28:08the whole set
00:28:08It's somewhat
00:28:11come on
00:28:13risible
00:28:14I would say
00:28:14risible.
00:28:15Okay, Alicia
00:28:16What else can we see?
00:28:17in this piece
00:28:17for the general public
00:28:18that I understand
00:28:19first the shock
00:28:20And I repeat
00:28:21the newspapers cited
00:28:22They spoke of the first ordeal.
00:28:25find
00:28:25that turns around
00:28:26to the history of Christianity
00:28:27The performance is delayed.
00:28:30It was even said
00:28:30that of the cross
00:28:31That may not be true
00:28:32but yes to the crucifixion
00:28:34And we have this
00:28:35What else should we see here?
00:28:36with an expert's eye?
00:28:37Well
00:28:37I think so too
00:28:39in part of what was said
00:28:40in the first moments
00:28:41about many
00:28:42of the pieces
00:28:43It wasn't exact.
00:28:45For example
00:28:45that was not written
00:28:46in hieroglyphics
00:28:47for five centuries
00:28:48That's not true
00:28:49For example
00:28:50which would
00:28:51the first crucifixion
00:28:52In fact
00:28:53would have been
00:28:54the first Calvary
00:28:57It was even said
00:28:58that the cross itself
00:28:59it was not represented
00:29:00or that did not receive worship
00:29:02We have examples
00:29:03in Herculaneum
00:29:04and in Pompeii
00:29:05in Herculaneum
00:29:06in the Bicentennial House
00:29:08therefore
00:29:09It has a date
00:29:09from 79 AD
00:29:11because it's the moment
00:29:12from the eruption
00:29:12of Vesuvius
00:29:13But there are examples.
00:29:14And what are these figures here?
00:29:15That's what I wanted to say
00:29:16What do they represent?
00:29:17Well
00:29:18It's debatable.
00:29:18no no
00:29:19But that probably
00:29:20It is Mary Magdalene
00:29:21Jesus and Mary Magdalene
00:29:23and Mary the Mother of Jesus
00:29:24one is missing
00:29:24one figure is missing
00:29:25who would be the beloved disciple
00:29:27that in the Gospel of John
00:29:28appears
00:29:28But it's not there.
00:29:29I mean
00:29:30and with all this
00:29:31words in Basque appear
00:29:33what is said
00:29:33which are words in Basque
00:29:34at first
00:29:35colors
00:29:36If I understand correctly
00:29:37white, red
00:29:39specific words
00:29:40which also attract a lot of attention
00:29:42and then
00:29:42We'll see.
00:29:43Let's move on to the next image
00:29:44We'll see.
00:29:45some images
00:29:46first so that
00:29:47the public
00:29:48Let's go to the one with the hieroglyphs
00:29:50so that the public can see a little
00:29:51because otherwise it's difficult to understand
00:29:53the panoply
00:29:54No?
00:29:54There is something that has been found
00:29:55in this house
00:29:57which apparently collapses
00:29:59and these graffiti are found
00:30:01Luis will tell us about it later.
00:30:02besides
00:30:02Some are found in a
00:30:03very rare
00:30:04according to what they told you
00:30:05what we have there
00:30:07They are hieroglyphs
00:30:08that are or are not
00:30:10man
00:30:10I think that
00:30:11in the photograph
00:30:12It looks perfect
00:30:13that perhaps
00:30:13one of the
00:30:15items
00:30:16which could be attributed
00:30:17at the first press conference
00:30:19at the time
00:30:19two years ago
00:30:20It was the precipitation
00:30:22anyone who sees
00:30:23this text
00:30:23He's perfectly aware
00:30:25that has nothing to do with that
00:30:26what to do with Egyptian hieroglyphs
00:30:27and as he tells it
00:30:29the Egyptologist's report
00:30:30from the CSIC
00:30:31nor with any writing
00:30:33similar
00:30:34to the Egyptian hieroglyph
00:30:35CSIC is true
00:30:36that there are some ideograms
00:30:37similar
00:30:38like the eye
00:30:39the eye go
00:30:40which we see above
00:30:41in the top row
00:30:42to the left
00:30:44but still
00:30:45even
00:30:45not only
00:30:46that the ideograms
00:30:47They don't look alike
00:30:48to the Egyptian hieroglyph
00:30:49but
00:30:50the placement itself
00:30:52structuring
00:30:52a kind of
00:30:54box
00:30:55that they used to do
00:30:56the scribes
00:30:57and as we see it
00:30:58not only in documents
00:30:59but in reliefs
00:31:00or wall paintings
00:31:02It has nothing to do with it
00:31:03with this
00:31:05Besides, there are contradictions.
00:31:06in the sense that
00:31:07hieroglyphic writing
00:31:08one always reads
00:31:10starting with the point
00:31:11where are they looking?
00:31:12animated ideograms
00:31:13and here each one
00:31:14He's looking to the side
00:31:15as if not
00:31:16It wouldn't make much sense.
00:31:17then Nacho
00:31:18forgive me
00:31:18But here's one thing
00:31:19which I don't quite understand
00:31:20How is this possible?
00:31:20if this is so obvious
00:31:23that there are important people
00:31:25scientific people
00:31:26people from universities
00:31:28What supports this?
00:31:29them at the initial press conference
00:31:31which was June 8, 2006
00:31:33that began precisely
00:31:35for this piece
00:31:37They did it accompanied
00:31:39from a lady
00:31:40that introduced her
00:31:41as a renowned Egyptologist
00:31:44Well, according to some versions
00:31:45from the University of Barcelona
00:31:46according to others
00:31:47from the University of Tübingen
00:31:49or that had a relationship
00:31:50with the University of Tübingen
00:31:51in Germany
00:31:51which initially
00:31:53Well, I think there are people
00:31:55what he must have thought
00:31:56Well, accept it.
00:31:57simply
00:31:59already in the forum
00:32:00from Celtiberia.net
00:32:02which is the
00:32:03I think the phenomenon is interesting.
00:32:04which I hope we'll talk about
00:32:05at some point
00:32:06It is the weight they have had
00:32:08online debates
00:32:09in the search for truth
00:32:11that today
00:32:13This is being largely forgotten
00:32:14but sociologically
00:32:15It's been great!
00:32:16Well, there was one right away
00:32:18who started to investigate a little
00:32:19and it turned out that the person
00:32:21in question
00:32:21I didn't have
00:32:22apparently
00:32:23the qualification
00:32:24that it was said
00:32:25But the most interesting thing
00:32:26There's an Egyptologist.
00:32:28from the United States
00:32:29as far as I know
00:32:29He's the first one to say
00:32:30June 16
00:32:32which is called Meltzer
00:32:34what it says
00:32:34I can't read this
00:32:36no way
00:32:37like a hieroglyph
00:32:38How is this possible?
00:32:39then
00:32:39a lot of people
00:32:41Well
00:32:42believe in this
00:32:42be published
00:32:43the press itself
00:32:44the press itself
00:32:45Publish this
00:32:45It's so easy
00:32:46go to an expert Egyptologist
00:32:48and ask him
00:32:50Are these hieroglyphs?
00:32:52Why hasn't it been done?
00:32:53What was the atmosphere like there?
00:32:53it gives the impression
00:32:54what was it
00:32:54I don't know
00:32:55In fact, there were headlines
00:32:56which said
00:32:57hieroglyphs
00:32:58between the Nile
00:32:58and the Zadorra
00:32:59that already only as a headline
00:33:01It leaves you a little
00:33:03Zadorra River
00:33:04that passes by Vitoria
00:33:05I was saying that it's not so
00:33:06Or at least that's the impression.
00:33:08It's not that easy.
00:33:09prove fraud
00:33:10in the sense
00:33:10you as epigraphists
00:33:11as experts
00:33:12maybe you see it
00:33:13directly to the naked eye
00:33:14But when you're
00:33:15in that committee of experts
00:33:16you face
00:33:17to a dry language
00:33:18difficult
00:33:18and above all
00:33:19There is no single piece of evidence
00:33:20let's say physics
00:33:21at the level of nuclear physics
00:33:23or at the level of thermoluminescence
00:33:24at such a level
00:33:25that I can say
00:33:26This is false.
00:33:26because the piece itself
00:33:27It's original
00:33:28Let's say that piece
00:33:29It dates from the 3rd century
00:33:30that those pieces
00:33:30those notebooks
00:33:32of the children
00:33:32and of the 3rd century
00:33:33They are from the 3rd century
00:33:34really
00:33:34about that
00:33:35if you'll allow me
00:33:36Let me say one thing
00:33:36There was something that called to me
00:33:38also the attention
00:33:39the first day almost
00:33:40as a mother
00:33:42I don't think any mother
00:33:43in his right mind
00:33:44and Pompeii Valentina
00:33:45neither
00:33:46who was the owner
00:33:47of the domus this
00:33:48would have allowed
00:33:49teach children
00:33:51about
00:33:51with an iron fist
00:33:53at least
00:33:54scraping hard ceramic
00:33:56that is to say
00:33:57we know perfectly well
00:33:58that was taught
00:33:59with tabulae ceratai
00:34:01which are
00:34:01wooden slats
00:34:03that were filled
00:34:03wax
00:34:04very soft
00:34:05it was written
00:34:05with bone pulses
00:34:07or ivory
00:34:08and then you could
00:34:10melt it
00:34:11and reuse
00:34:12will be old
00:34:13somehow
00:34:13blackboards
00:34:14Yeah
00:34:14practically
00:34:15and then
00:34:15It is a rational system
00:34:17to teach children
00:34:17oh well
00:34:18pedagogue
00:34:19you know
00:34:20all day
00:34:21with mercurochrome
00:34:23and the wounds
00:34:25I hadn't thought of it that way
00:34:26but the children
00:34:27with punches
00:34:27on hard surfaces
00:34:29and on surfaces
00:34:30cutting
00:34:31cutting
00:34:32because they are
00:34:32postraca
00:34:33that you can cut yourself
00:34:34the presentation
00:34:35complete
00:34:36initial
00:34:36It was already crashing.
00:34:37with common sense
00:34:38even from the point
00:34:39from a mother's point of view
00:34:40you don't put
00:34:41to your children
00:34:41to teach
00:34:42in a way
00:34:43so dangerous
00:34:44there is one
00:34:45There is a series
00:34:46of scenes
00:34:48that puts
00:34:49the word
00:34:49life
00:34:50No?
00:34:51life
00:34:51and everyday life
00:34:52I mean
00:34:53the thing of life
00:34:54and appear
00:34:55and then
00:34:55Yes, that's true
00:34:56that the appearance
00:34:57Let each one judge.
00:34:58It is true that it seems
00:34:59of children
00:35:00that they have drawn
00:35:01I mean
00:35:01It's an aspect
00:35:04children
00:35:04Now the question
00:35:05is
00:35:05whoever did this
00:35:06that this is the great mystery
00:35:07of all this
00:35:07whoever did this
00:35:08Well, he did it like
00:35:10scribbling
00:35:10you think
00:35:11to pass oneself off
00:35:12for a child
00:35:13Here we see
00:35:13some images
00:35:14very surprising
00:35:15It's like a comic book
00:35:16of everyday life
00:35:17There we have, for example,
00:35:18a threshing floor
00:35:19a threshing floor
00:35:19However, they slipped through
00:35:21Well, I think that at that moment
00:35:23they slipped in at that moment
00:35:25because they hid
00:35:26the images
00:35:27that is to say
00:35:28they presented
00:35:29He is not one of the first known
00:35:30But he didn't see it.
00:35:32people
00:35:33people didn't dedicate themselves
00:35:34Let's see the images
00:35:35The presentation was made
00:35:36And then that happened
00:35:37to the study
00:35:38from the experts
00:35:39what slipped through
00:35:40It was in the press
00:35:41fundamental
00:35:41There were experts
00:35:42already on the team
00:35:43from a
00:35:44at least one month
00:35:45I think it might have been more
00:35:46but at least
00:35:47For example
00:35:48Joaquín Borracha
00:35:49I've explained it to you.
00:35:50that he had pieces
00:35:51the Basque pieces
00:35:51since May
00:35:52of 2006
00:35:53that is, one month before
00:35:54But they were philologists
00:35:56And there they stayed.
00:35:57in Basque
00:35:58not in these drawings
00:35:59They didn't give their opinion at first
00:36:01Most have been justified
00:36:02saying that indeed
00:36:03and it has been information
00:36:04from the mail
00:36:05saying that they
00:36:06initially
00:36:06they believed
00:36:07that it could be like that
00:36:08and they launched
00:36:09to a swimming pool
00:36:10which was also empty
00:36:11then a few months later
00:36:13five months later
00:36:14when they correct
00:36:15And I think it's in that
00:36:16time impasse
00:36:17since the news broke
00:36:18until they correct it
00:36:19among them
00:36:20Gorrocategui
00:36:21where is it, let's say?
00:36:21the epicenter
00:36:22What is happening?
00:36:23because here, let's say
00:36:24that there is a return
00:36:25a turn of the screw
00:36:26even greater
00:36:26and it's visible in the atmosphere
00:36:27It's a smoke that you can smell.
00:36:28and it is seen during the hearing
00:36:30So everyone
00:36:30thinks it's true
00:36:31and at five months
00:36:32many people
00:36:33There's something dark about it.
00:36:34that's wandering around
00:36:35and we'll see.
00:36:36Let's see if we know
00:36:36I think it's
00:36:37social participation
00:36:38that occurs on the internet
00:36:40in the Celtiberia forum
00:36:42We continue with our analysis
00:36:43enjoying with our experts
00:36:44We'll see.
00:36:45some pieces
00:36:45And then I want to ask him
00:36:47to Antonio
00:36:47well the whole table
00:36:48in general
00:36:49if it really would be
00:36:50so shocking
00:36:52that in the 3rd century
00:36:54these drawings appeared
00:36:55because it seems that
00:36:56according to the press
00:36:58this
00:36:59would shed light
00:37:00about the entrance
00:37:01of Christianity
00:37:01in the West
00:37:02and perhaps in the 3rd century
00:37:03There was already enough Christianity
00:37:04But we'll discuss it now.
00:37:06this piece
00:37:07It is one of the most
00:37:09rare
00:37:10I would like
00:37:10that you tell it
00:37:11Alice
00:37:11This has been named
00:37:13like the latrine
00:37:14I don't know if people
00:37:15He sees it
00:37:16and identifies it
00:37:17This is a little
00:37:17like the photo section
00:37:18You have to use your imagination a little
00:37:19this supposedly
00:37:20There are two gentlemen there
00:37:21that they don't chirp at him
00:37:22in the 3rd century
00:37:22I would begin by saying
00:37:24that aesthetics
00:37:25the plastic conception
00:37:27of these figures
00:37:28It's not Roman
00:37:29that is to say
00:37:29these forms here
00:37:31as
00:37:32of trunk
00:37:33truncated conical
00:37:34or conical
00:37:35this type of head
00:37:37of
00:37:38in this way
00:37:39as
00:37:40rhomboid
00:37:42That's not it.
00:37:43then
00:37:43clear
00:37:44That's what has been said
00:37:45latrines
00:37:45But anyway
00:37:46these figures
00:37:46They are not sitting down
00:37:47for a start
00:37:48They are standing
00:37:50and well
00:37:50There would be other possibilities
00:37:52as if it were
00:37:53a market table
00:37:54and so on
00:37:54But of course
00:37:54then you say
00:37:56Well
00:37:56And why should I even bother thinking about it?
00:37:57What could this be?
00:37:59if really
00:38:00It's not old
00:38:02You know
00:38:03But anyway
00:38:04These are the ones that
00:38:05they were able to sneak in
00:38:06and they strained
00:38:07There are others
00:38:08that nobody
00:38:09in his right mind
00:38:10I would never believe them.
00:38:11Let's see
00:38:11What is the next one like?
00:38:12and now
00:38:12I think it is
00:38:14a tower
00:38:14if I'm not mistaken
00:38:15with a warrior
00:38:16There it is
00:38:17the tower
00:38:18and the warrior
00:38:19clear
00:38:20It seems like a concept
00:38:21animation
00:38:22almost
00:38:23of young children
00:38:24or fact
00:38:26trying to get through that
00:38:27but at the same time
00:38:28a firm stroke
00:38:29with a sword
00:38:29They're seeing it perfectly.
00:38:30and a tower
00:38:31I think it has an arch
00:38:32in the right hand
00:38:34an arch is true
00:38:35We're seeing it right now.
00:38:36This would also be
00:38:37of the credible ones
00:38:38Well
00:38:39This is part of it
00:38:40of the same graphite
00:38:41which is that of everyday life
00:38:42There are also curiosities
00:38:43For example
00:38:44the lack
00:38:44extreme cleanliness
00:38:46that is in almost all pieces
00:38:47of the ductus
00:38:48What are furrows?
00:38:49of the letters
00:38:51or of the drawings
00:38:51They are always too clean
00:38:53For example
00:38:54normally the pieces
00:38:55that come from an excavation
00:38:56They are much dirtier
00:38:58and they don't get cleaned
00:38:59to this extreme
00:39:00There is one of the pieces
00:39:02Luis
00:39:03that I think we have around there
00:39:04more whitish
00:39:05with several inscriptions
00:39:07arrows even
00:39:08and it seems that
00:39:10There were phrases in Basque
00:39:12phrases have been identified
00:39:13some surprising
00:39:14as referring to Jesus
00:39:17Maria
00:39:18Yes, that's the one it has
00:39:19the famous comma
00:39:20there is a comma
00:39:21Jesus eats
00:39:22José
00:39:22and the father
00:39:25and Miriam the mother
00:39:26And finally
00:39:28that the commas
00:39:29They are not used
00:39:30in Roman epigraphy
00:39:32what are used
00:39:33They are points
00:39:34mid-height
00:39:35which are called interpunctures
00:39:36that have an evolution
00:39:37in time
00:39:38that here
00:39:38contrary to normal
00:39:40they don't usually appear
00:39:42And then there are other signs
00:39:43like these double arrows
00:39:45which are logical signs
00:39:47or mathematicians
00:39:48of the 20th century
00:39:48in this graphite
00:39:50which for me is from
00:39:51This was the one that...
00:39:52decided me
00:39:53June 14, 2006
00:39:54to consider myself skeptical
00:39:56I'm almost out
00:39:58whatever came out
00:39:58because?
00:40:00this one in particular
00:40:00because
00:40:02This figure
00:40:03which is the
00:40:04It is called graphite
00:40:06of genealogy
00:40:07of Aeneas
00:40:07actually it would
00:40:08Yulo's
00:40:09who is the son
00:40:11of Aeneas
00:40:12because up
00:40:13Anchises comes
00:40:14and it is written
00:40:15with Q and U
00:40:17this is
00:40:18strictly
00:40:19impossible in Latin
00:40:20Anqui
00:40:21That's how we say it
00:40:22us
00:40:22but absolutely not
00:40:24It could have been written like this
00:40:25then Antonio
00:40:26What do we have here?
00:40:27absolutely nothing
00:40:27OK
00:40:28with what Alicia says
00:40:29That's Hispanization.
00:40:31the individual
00:40:32who wrote that
00:40:33I had no idea
00:40:34How did you say it?
00:40:35the father's name
00:40:36of Aeneas
00:40:37in Greek
00:40:38in the end
00:40:38so
00:40:39this gentleman
00:40:40is thinking
00:40:40in Spanish
00:40:41I would like
00:40:42do one thing
00:40:43and always so that it doesn't lose
00:40:44the thread
00:40:44people
00:40:45This is extremely interesting.
00:40:46Let's see
00:40:47some images
00:40:48I'm sure
00:40:49that enter the group
00:40:50one of the most incredible
00:40:51captured them
00:40:52with his camera
00:40:53Luis
00:40:54from the wheel
00:40:55from famous press
00:40:56Let's see
00:40:56a naked woman
00:40:57and then we'll see
00:40:58an inscription
00:41:00very rare
00:41:01which seems
00:41:01good registration
00:41:02not a figure
00:41:02of a mermaid
00:41:03and then the name
00:41:03of Nefertiti
00:41:04no more, no less
00:41:05before one thing
00:41:06because the time comes
00:41:07who could have done it
00:41:08all this
00:41:09Nacho Ares was the first
00:41:10magazine editor
00:41:10archeology
00:41:11live
00:41:12he told us
00:41:12that many times
00:41:14and before analyzing
00:41:15this second
00:41:15pac if you think so
00:41:17Let's go a little bit
00:41:18at the heart of the matter
00:41:19with personal opinions
00:41:21you were saying
00:41:22Nacho
00:41:22that there could be jokes
00:41:23joking
00:41:25in the excavations
00:41:26that sometimes
00:41:27jokes are made
00:41:28the archaeologists
00:41:28Yes, that's true
00:41:29But of course
00:41:30joking
00:41:30this caliber
00:41:31Certainly not
00:41:32that is to say
00:41:33I know
00:41:33excavations
00:41:34when I was
00:41:35at university
00:41:35just kidding
00:41:37almost
00:41:38You'll find out right away.
00:41:40It is true that
00:41:41many of these pieces
00:41:42until you wash them
00:41:44You don't see the text
00:41:45and the boy
00:41:46the intern
00:41:47the university apprentice
00:41:49who is working there
00:41:50well, neither
00:41:50has the knowledge
00:41:51as if to read
00:41:52or detect
00:41:53in the first instance
00:41:54What is it about?
00:41:55but of course
00:41:57more than jokes
00:41:59I see a cluster
00:42:01of satins
00:42:03in the sense
00:42:04that not only
00:42:05There could be this type
00:42:06of jokes
00:42:06as I say
00:42:08quarrels too
00:42:09perhaps among
00:42:10researchers
00:42:11We were talking about it earlier
00:42:12off-screen
00:42:13off-set
00:42:14the clans
00:42:15that is between
00:42:16different groups
00:42:17university students
00:42:18at all
00:42:19It's not a legend
00:42:21here are
00:42:21two teachers
00:42:22university students
00:42:23and they can give
00:42:24surely
00:42:25testimony
00:42:26of it
00:42:26and then
00:42:29an economic purpose
00:42:30an alleged
00:42:31also political end
00:42:32the truth is that
00:42:33the possible routes
00:42:34in order to interpret it
00:42:36They are very spacious
00:42:37Antonio
00:42:38because there has been a lot of talk
00:42:39and be careful
00:42:40We do it with all
00:42:41prudence
00:42:42and simply
00:42:42always referring
00:42:43to things that have already been published
00:42:45And I've verified it.
00:42:47on some occasion
00:42:47archaeology
00:42:49the study
00:42:49from ancient history
00:42:50It also has
00:42:52their clashes
00:42:53their clans
00:42:53not just journalists
00:42:54we threw away the deals
00:42:55at the head
00:42:55and there are also people
00:42:57who defend a current
00:42:58They defend another
00:42:58now
00:42:59Could we get there?
00:43:00always under hypothesis
00:43:01at this level
00:43:02that someone
00:43:03perhaps defending theories
00:43:04or wanting to discredit
00:43:05to others
00:43:05or I don't know
00:43:06Does all this cause?
00:43:08in theory
00:43:09theoretically it is possible
00:43:10and it has happened
00:43:11throughout history
00:43:12And here I could have been.
00:43:15I was listening to you
00:43:16To you, Nacho
00:43:18a moment ago
00:43:18And I was thinking
00:43:20before
00:43:21intervene in this
00:43:22It's not about
00:43:23of a parody
00:43:25tremendous
00:43:26of one
00:43:26because it's very long
00:43:28the number of pieces
00:43:29which are incredible
00:43:32I think it's a parody
00:43:34or someone
00:43:34that he wanted to do
00:43:35tremendous damage
00:43:36knowing that in the long run
00:43:37would be discovered
00:43:39and that would leave
00:43:40to the people
00:43:40very badly
00:43:41That's my opinion.
00:43:42But it's a personal opinion.
00:43:44It has no basis whatsoever.
00:43:45me too
00:43:46I can't say more.
00:43:48Luis
00:43:48There's one more thing
00:43:49even the findings
00:43:50were produced
00:43:51and you can tell the tale
00:43:52Tell us what you can
00:43:53in circumstances
00:43:54which would indeed be more
00:43:55for the mystery part
00:43:57of this program
00:43:58Yes, it's being talked about a little.
00:43:59close people
00:44:00to the site
00:44:01because we try
00:44:02to interview
00:44:02to the largest number
00:44:04of possible people
00:44:05that was nearby
00:44:05to those pieces
00:44:06and that he could tell us
00:44:07what had they seen
00:44:08in that excavation
00:44:09And yes, they did count.
00:44:10that some of the appearances
00:44:11of certain parts
00:44:12took place
00:44:13in circumstances
00:44:14somewhat strange
00:44:15in one of them
00:44:16on one occasion it was
00:44:17after a blackout
00:44:18after
00:44:19Well, we have to count
00:44:19that in some excavations
00:44:20There isn't even running water.
00:44:21no light
00:44:22It is a generator set
00:44:23that works
00:44:23sometimes it fails
00:44:24and in this case it failed
00:44:25and then he appeared
00:44:27from one of those blackouts
00:44:28I don't know in what circumstances
00:44:30if someone put it there
00:44:31or let's say it appeared
00:44:32right in that unit
00:44:34stratigraphic
00:44:34or whatever
00:44:34You have been able to
00:44:36establish some hypothesis
00:44:37the same
00:44:37what can be said
00:44:38because in this whole matter
00:44:39Furthermore, there is a cloud of silence.
00:44:40now many people
00:44:41seals their mouths
00:44:42But I don't know.
00:44:44the researchers
00:44:45And I'm not telling Nacho either.
00:44:47that is to say
00:44:47that you have
00:44:48intuited from all this
00:44:49Nor has anyone given
00:44:50a great alarm bell
00:44:51in the mainstream media
00:44:52communication
00:44:53have been published
00:44:54and at a certain point
00:44:54Yes, it has started
00:44:55to say prudence
00:44:56but so far
00:44:57Nobody said fraud
00:44:58What could have happened to you?
00:45:00What could have happened?
00:45:01Man, I think that
00:45:02at the moment
00:45:04as announced
00:45:05or has Luis already said it?
00:45:06I believe the big questions
00:45:08which would be
00:45:10who?
00:45:11when?
00:45:12because?
00:45:13so that?
00:45:14where?
00:45:15rather
00:45:16the where is the only
00:45:16that we would have resolved
00:45:18That's gone.
00:45:19from our hands
00:45:20and has entered
00:45:21in the judicial sphere
00:45:22I think that's there
00:45:23There may be some groups
00:45:24of graphite
00:45:26I keep calling them
00:45:27graphites
00:45:28that could be good
00:45:30And I also think
00:45:32that I have spoken
00:45:32of intrusions
00:45:33within the intrusions
00:45:34that is to say
00:45:35that there might have
00:45:36let's say added pieces
00:45:38that they were not
00:45:39in the groups
00:45:41originals
00:45:41because there are things
00:45:42which is that nobody
00:45:43one can believe
00:45:44there is a piece
00:45:45I don't know if you have
00:45:47which is signed
00:45:48Deidre
00:45:49which is an Irish name
00:45:50that really
00:45:52not even
00:45:53the forger
00:45:54clumsier
00:45:55put such a thing in
00:45:56in 19th-century calligraphy
00:45:58And these pieces?
00:45:58Where were they physically located?
00:46:00clear
00:46:00Then it occurred to me
00:46:01an explanation
00:46:01Let's say beneficial
00:46:02which would
00:46:03There is a convent nearby.
00:46:05which is Santa Catalina de Badaya
00:46:06which was a convent
00:46:07very important
00:46:09in the Middle Ages
00:46:10in the modern age
00:46:11of Augustinians
00:46:12who were also
00:46:13some monks
00:46:15especially given
00:46:16Well, to philosophy
00:46:17many of these issues
00:46:19that I think
00:46:20that they could
00:46:21at some point
00:46:22well, to have taken a walk
00:46:23over there
00:46:24written things
00:46:25oh well
00:46:25Let's say that's the explanation.
00:46:26charity
00:46:27which one should think about
00:46:29and then obviously
00:46:30Well, there are
00:46:31because there is a tangle
00:46:32There is a political plot.
00:46:33an economical
00:46:34a university student
00:46:35you'll see
00:46:37that there are
00:46:37things we don't know
00:46:38data that we don't yet have
00:46:40well man
00:46:41There's a little bit of
00:46:42precautionary
00:46:43No?
00:46:44especially
00:46:44It's already been announced
00:46:45the legal issue
00:46:47It's a fault
00:46:48which is important
00:46:49because I believe that
00:46:50I agree with him
00:46:51to Eliseo Gil
00:46:52insofar as it has given
00:46:53certain impression
00:46:54of long knives
00:46:55that is to say
00:46:56the attack against him
00:46:58has been so
00:46:59so
00:47:01so homogeneous
00:47:03let's say
00:47:03from all over the world
00:47:04It has not been given
00:47:04an option
00:47:05no search has been conducted
00:47:06an alternative
00:47:06For example
00:47:07There are a lot of people
00:47:09of work camps
00:47:09international
00:47:10has excavated
00:47:11in Pamplona
00:47:12in 2005
00:47:13in 2006
00:47:14in 2007
00:47:16there cannot be
00:47:16also a group
00:47:17of these
00:47:19fragments
00:47:20that they could
00:47:20also having been
00:47:22inserted
00:47:23there
00:47:23Let's go with these
00:47:24other parts
00:47:24which would be
00:47:25those that
00:47:25a naked woman
00:47:27That's an aesthetic.
00:47:30fully modern
00:47:32So
00:47:32dog boat
00:47:33nothing to do with it
00:47:34with the 3rd century
00:47:34in principle
00:47:35It has some elements
00:47:37archaic
00:47:38such as transparency
00:47:39of the left arm
00:47:41But let's go
00:47:43those volumes
00:47:44archaic
00:47:45the day before yesterday
00:47:46the day before yesterday
00:47:47also
00:47:47Let's see another one
00:47:48which called a lot
00:47:50attention
00:47:50at the press conference
00:47:51Luis
00:47:51a mermaid
00:47:52a mermaid
00:47:54which apparently
00:47:54It's another species
00:47:55of something impossible
00:47:56I don't know
00:47:57I don't know
00:47:57But there we see
00:47:58another one of these
00:47:59graphites
00:48:00from Iruña-Veleya
00:48:00so controversial
00:48:02which I believe
00:48:03they are being seen
00:48:03for the first time
00:48:04for the general public
00:48:05I was looking forward to this one
00:48:06to see it
00:48:06frankly
00:48:07because also
00:48:07everything we did
00:48:08in Celtiberia
00:48:09in the files
00:48:10in the forums
00:48:11from Iruña-Veleya
00:48:11It was nothing more
00:48:12with 10 graphites
00:48:14I mean
00:48:1410 pieces
00:48:15which are the only ones
00:48:16over time
00:48:17we could see
00:48:17But for that
00:48:18I did it
00:48:18in the fourth millennium
00:48:19to see it
00:48:19clear
00:48:19We showed it there.
00:48:20There we have it.
00:48:22opinion
00:48:24gentlemen first
00:48:25what was said
00:48:27in the committee
00:48:28the thing is
00:48:29It's impossible.
00:48:30a mermaid
00:48:31with a fishtail
00:48:32in the 15th century
00:48:33if it had been likely
00:48:34but in the 5th century
00:48:36let's say hurrying
00:48:37to the maximum
00:48:38the dating
00:48:38carbon XIV
00:48:393rd century
00:48:395th century
00:48:40It was impossible
00:48:41because
00:48:41around that time
00:48:42the mermaids were
00:48:43winged
00:48:44They were birds
00:48:45in the end
00:48:45Let's see another one
00:48:46which is also surprising
00:48:47What is that name?
00:48:48There has been talk of
00:48:50Nefertiti
00:48:51a very controversial piece
00:48:52Nacho
00:48:53from the point of view
00:48:54of logic
00:48:56It's truly amazing.
00:48:57that in the 3rd century
00:48:58IV or V
00:49:00appear
00:49:01this mention
00:49:02not only
00:49:02in Latin characters
00:49:03that I when I read it
00:49:04in the press
00:49:04I thought I was
00:49:05in hieroglyphics
00:49:06and then indeed
00:49:06I realized
00:49:07that no
00:49:08that it was
00:49:08in Latin characters
00:49:10then refer to
00:49:11to a queen
00:49:12completely heretical
00:49:13to the history of Egypt
00:49:14and that since he disappeared
00:49:16from the analyses
00:49:17from the royal lists
00:49:18in the 18th Dynasty
00:49:19around 1350
00:49:20more or less
00:49:21before our era
00:49:22their mentions
00:49:23only
00:49:24reappear
00:49:25in the 19th century
00:49:26with the excavations
00:49:27by Flinders Petrie
00:49:28in Amarna
00:49:30which precisely
00:49:31it is from
00:49:32of this era
00:49:32when transcribed
00:49:33the name
00:49:34hieroglyphic
00:49:35like Nefertiti
00:49:36the ancient Egyptians
00:49:37They didn't call this queen
00:49:38Akenato's wife
00:49:39in the heretic pharaoh
00:49:40this way
00:49:41but
00:49:42they wrote it
00:49:43beauty
00:49:44that comes to us from there
00:49:45Nefer Neferu
00:49:46Thank you all
00:49:47really
00:49:47Alice
00:49:48Nacho
00:49:50of course
00:49:51to the professor
00:49:52Antonio Piñero
00:49:53and of course
00:49:54to Luis Álvarez
00:49:54at four
00:49:55each
00:49:56from their point of view
00:49:57we have seen
00:49:58some things
00:49:59now
00:49:59You give your opinion
00:50:00Of course
00:50:01It's amazing.
00:50:02is perpendicular
00:50:03and as I was saying
00:50:04Alicia too
00:50:04of course
00:50:05a little sad
00:50:06There is no well
00:50:07of sadness
00:50:07in all this
00:50:08if you see any updates again
00:50:09we'll be here
00:50:10to tell the tale
00:50:10as usual
00:50:11Thanks to the four of them
00:50:12of course
00:50:12thank you
00:50:13us
00:50:15how we did it
00:50:16two weeks ago
00:50:16We promise to keep you informed.
00:50:17of this very strange story
00:50:18with images
00:50:19hard to forget
00:50:20Now let's look at many more images.
00:50:21yes indeed
00:50:22we remember
00:50:23a quick recap
00:50:24by some of the mysterious
00:50:26graffiti from the site of the scandal
00:50:27Iruña Beleya in Álava
00:50:51the diary of fear
00:50:52that they're going to see
00:50:53It perfectly represents
00:50:54one of my favorite horrors
00:50:56And I say this word
00:50:57this specific term
00:50:58because it is also a heartfelt tribute
00:51:00to the teacher Chicho Ibañez Herrador
00:51:01about 40 years ago
00:51:03It has already amazed Spain
00:51:04with a history
00:51:05starring two women
00:51:07lost in the middle of the snowstorm
00:51:09in an almost abandoned house
00:51:11What was that?
00:51:11a shelter
00:51:12He called it that
00:51:14That story was very different.
00:51:15But what happens
00:51:16in these places
00:51:18It seems to have a lot to do with it
00:51:19with the mystery
00:51:20with the night
00:51:21with living nature
00:51:22the strange sounds
00:51:24good
00:51:25we have chosen
00:51:26two true stories
00:51:27one of them
00:51:29I read it when I was very young
00:51:30and it impressed me
00:51:31from the headline
00:51:31the Catalan writer
00:51:33now disappeared
00:51:34Antonio Rivera
00:51:34it said in an old book
00:51:36that I have here
00:51:37the gruesome case
00:51:39cow coma
00:51:41that sonorous name
00:51:42It is the refuge
00:51:43still exists
00:51:45but in times
00:51:46It was much more dilapidated
00:51:47they went there
00:51:48in 1967
00:51:49two men
00:51:50a hiker
00:51:52amateur mountaineer
00:51:54and a priest
00:51:56Antonio Rivera recounted
00:51:58that priest
00:52:00He practically retired
00:52:01from the noise of the world
00:52:02by the impression
00:52:04which produced
00:52:05what happened here
00:52:06cow coma
00:52:07in that early morning of cars
00:52:10But there's more.
00:52:11we wanted to merge two stories
00:52:13our screenwriters
00:52:13and filmmakers
00:52:15have melted
00:52:16two distinct spheres
00:52:17this real fact
00:52:18that they're going to see
00:52:19and also
00:52:20something that happened to him
00:52:21to three girls
00:52:23exactly one month later
00:52:24from the first meeting
00:52:26these two stories
00:52:28mixed into one
00:52:29with two main characters
00:52:31It's worth it
00:52:32It has something of
00:52:33spectral
00:52:34this story
00:52:35that they're going to see
00:52:35and me
00:52:36It wakes me up
00:52:38that shiver
00:52:38of childhood
00:52:39by the way
00:52:40We have also called it
00:52:42the shelter
00:53:09hello
00:53:10Good afternoon
00:53:16Good afternoon
00:53:19What's it going to be?
00:53:21I
00:53:22a coffee with milk
00:53:23and you?
00:53:24that there be two
00:53:25Do you think we'll get there?
00:53:26before nightfall?
00:53:27I hope so
00:53:28we're going up
00:53:30along the old road
00:53:31No?
00:53:33excuse me
00:53:34Is it still closed?
00:53:35the old road
00:53:35who goes up to the refuge?
00:53:38Yeah
00:53:40and I will follow him
00:53:41being for a while
00:53:42now in winter
00:53:44It is very dangerous.
00:53:45Oh
00:53:46Well, we must hurry.
00:53:48on the other way
00:53:49There are a couple more kilometers
00:53:51Do they tend to make you spend the night there?
00:53:53that's how it is
00:53:55Nobody's been there for years.
00:53:58It is abandoned
00:53:59I mean
00:53:59let's see
00:54:00I said that.
00:54:01But here, when Father Francis
00:54:02change the cassock
00:54:03because of the hiking boots
00:54:04He won't change his mind
00:54:04not even God
00:54:05And with apologies.
00:54:06these young people of today
00:54:07How noticeable is it?
00:54:08that you have not met
00:54:09the mountain
00:54:10really?
00:54:24What's wrong, sir?
00:54:27her scream
00:54:29It exploded in my ears
00:54:31the light
00:54:32It was stained with blood
00:54:34the fallen angel
00:54:36went up
00:54:36disguised as anger
00:54:38to take it away
00:54:39and took him away
00:54:41He took it away
00:54:49Ignore him.
00:54:52the poor man
00:54:53He's not right in the head
00:54:55always walking
00:54:56with the same story
00:54:58What story?
00:55:01It doesn't matter
00:55:03the peoples
00:55:04you know
00:55:06foolishness
00:55:08rumors that don't
00:55:09to have the corpse
00:55:10from your brother
00:55:11in the arms
00:55:11It doesn't matter
00:55:14Is it nonsense?
00:55:17Valentine
00:55:19that man
00:55:20His name is Genaro
00:55:24had
00:55:26six years
00:55:27when that happened
00:55:30while playing
00:55:31with his little brother
00:55:34a red light
00:55:36very intense
00:55:38covered the sky
00:55:39full
00:55:41a terrible buzzing
00:55:43like an ear
00:55:45left deaf
00:55:47in their ears
00:55:50that's all
00:55:51what it recalls
00:55:53that
00:55:55and wake up
00:55:57with his brother
00:55:58four years old
00:55:59dead in his arms
00:56:15Do you want to know?
00:56:16Where did it happen?
00:56:23Well
00:56:25What does it matter?
00:56:27are
00:56:28gossip
00:56:29nothing else
00:56:31Right, Dad?
00:56:42What do I owe him?
00:56:57What was that all about?
00:56:59What's the point of all this?
00:57:00father
00:57:00about that child
00:57:02and his brother
00:57:02It was true
00:57:03a tragedy
00:57:04that no one ever
00:57:05was able to clarify
00:57:06Genaro passed
00:57:07of playing
00:57:08with his brother
00:57:09and a few marbles
00:57:10to find him dead
00:57:11in his arms
00:57:12without remembering anything
00:57:13of what happened
00:57:15as a result
00:57:16People need to talk
00:57:17you already know
00:57:17somehow
00:57:18They had to explain it.
00:57:19but to hold responsible
00:57:21to a child
00:57:22so small
00:57:22and in a town
00:57:24Those were different times.
00:57:30the parish priest of Sedkases
00:57:32a town in the region
00:57:33He was the one who spoke to me
00:57:34of this story
00:57:35it seems to be
00:57:37that
00:57:37But that wasn't the end of it.
00:57:39what that child said
00:57:41and then
00:57:41It caught on with the people
00:57:42Panic took hold
00:57:45of them
00:57:45the testimonies
00:57:46multiplied
00:57:47versions of all kinds
00:57:49red light
00:57:50strange noises
00:57:52poles of fire
00:57:52that was passing through
00:57:53the sky
00:57:55even months later
00:57:57There were people
00:57:58who stated
00:57:58having seen
00:57:59the silhouette
00:58:00of a child
00:58:01the brother
00:58:02Genaro's
00:58:04hovering
00:58:04through the shelter
00:58:06Why a shelter?
00:58:08cow coma
00:58:10the shelter
00:58:11cow coma
00:58:12the shelter
00:58:12which we are going
00:58:14And that's where they saw
00:58:15to the ghost of the child
00:58:16Come on, father.
00:58:17Don't mess with me
00:58:18sorry
00:58:19But don't tell me
00:58:20that swallows
00:58:20all these stories
00:58:21They are nothing but lies
00:58:22invented to justify
00:58:24the obvious
00:58:25a child
00:58:25by accident
00:58:26or not
00:58:26He killed his brother
00:58:28and nothing more
00:58:30We have to see
00:58:31What is the Catholic Church like?
00:58:32I mean
00:58:32for any cruel event
00:58:34and inexplicable
00:58:34for any reason
00:58:35There's always someone to blame.
00:58:37the devil
00:58:38Forgive me, Father
00:58:39But I just can't understand it.
00:58:40I mean
00:58:41He rises from hell
00:58:42No, not at all.
00:58:44religions
00:58:45They may not agree
00:58:47in regards
00:58:47to the gods
00:58:48But they are
00:58:49in regards
00:58:50to hell with it
00:58:52Lutherans
00:58:53orthodox
00:58:53Muslims
00:58:54Jews
00:58:55Buddhists
00:58:56the tribes
00:58:57No, but yes
00:58:57I don't mind either one.
00:58:58What I mean is
00:58:59one fine day
00:59:00A red light appears
00:59:01capable of possessing a child
00:59:02The boy kills his brother
00:59:03But it's not him.
00:59:04The child is not to blame.
00:59:06The devil is to blame
00:59:07Father, please
00:59:08Ismael
00:59:09Forget about religions
00:59:10The devil has no horns
00:59:12nor trident
00:59:13nor sheep's hooves
00:59:14and hell
00:59:16It's not a specific place.
00:59:17I'm talking to you
00:59:19of a spiritual state
00:59:21evil
00:59:22a capable force
00:59:23to condense
00:59:24all the hate
00:59:26there is good
00:59:27very good
00:59:28But evil also exists.
00:59:33even though we don't see it
00:59:34It's out there
00:59:35waiting a moment
00:59:36of weakness
00:59:37to take us over
00:59:38It is clear that there is evil.
00:59:40But I choose it
00:59:41good or evil
00:59:42I choose it
00:59:44I think it's great
00:59:45that in this
00:59:45We're not going to get involved
00:59:46agreed never
00:59:46That's exactly it.
00:59:48That's what the devil wants.
00:59:49that we never put
00:59:51OK
00:59:53come
00:59:54We're almost there!
00:59:56to get there
01:00:24Not this way
01:00:26The years go by
01:00:28man
01:00:29It's nothing special.
01:00:30but
01:00:30I expected it
01:00:32worse, honestly.
01:00:34There is already enough firewood
01:00:38I'm exhausted
01:00:43So we make a fire
01:00:45We had dinner
01:00:46and we went to bed
01:00:56that is true
01:00:57It's just that now that I think about it
01:00:58in that man
01:01:00Genaro no
01:01:02My skin turns red.
01:01:02chicken
01:01:04whether true or not
01:01:05your story has to be
01:01:06very hard
01:01:06to have died
01:01:07to your brother
01:01:09don't worry
01:01:09It's the wind
01:01:12Where is he going?
01:01:14to lock the door
01:01:32that's it
01:01:34Well
01:01:34Let's get some sleep.
01:02:00mother
01:02:06father
01:02:07father
01:02:08father
01:02:12Francisco
01:02:17father
01:02:22father
01:02:23that?
01:02:25what's happening?
01:02:26I've heard that
01:02:27What have I heard?
01:02:28the fact that?
01:02:29a few steps on the roof
01:02:30But don't talk nonsense.
01:02:32How are you going to listen?
01:02:33a few steps on the ceiling?
01:02:35It must have been the wind.
01:02:36a branch
01:02:38go
01:02:40try to sleep
01:02:41the steps on the roof
01:02:59although led kolominal
01:03:06don't have
01:03:09baby by
01:03:35So what now? Haven't I heard anything either?
01:03:37Of course I've heard it, but it could be a scumbag or the wind
01:03:41What wind? A scumbag is going to push the door like that.
01:03:44You know something else, and don't come at me with spiritual nonsense.
01:03:46What's that about? They're just noises.
01:03:48Noises? What do you mean, they're just noises?
01:04:27No!
01:04:41Father? Father, are you okay?
01:04:57What happened?
01:05:01I don't know, I just remember a buzzing sound.
01:05:06And the light?
01:05:08The light turned blood red
01:05:11The fallen angel ascended
01:05:14Disguised as anger to take it away
01:05:17And he took it away.
01:05:18He took it!
01:05:38Thank you!
01:05:53Thank you!
01:06:09Let's go!
01:06:10Let's go, Father!
01:06:13Let's go!
01:06:41Subscribe to the channel!
01:06:55Subscribe to the channel!
01:07:41Subscribe to the channel!
01:08:12Subscribe to the channel!
01:08:43Subscribe to the channel!
01:09:12Subscribe to the channel!
01:09:29Subscribe to the channel!
01:09:31Subscribe to the channel!
01:09:35What Guillermo León tells us is nothing more and nothing less than that it is a luminosity
01:09:42which appeared thanks to the phone's flash hitting the marble and causing that image to emerge.
01:09:48strange figure.
01:09:49So we have four photographs, some of them with impressive stories, but tonight's four have been
01:09:54resolved.
01:09:55I know there are many people who don't like it when we solve mysteries.
01:09:59Some send the photos saying, man, this is an X-File, this, but what is our mission?
01:10:04It's about trying to uncover the truth. And sometimes, even if the truth is that there's a natural discovery, that doesn't change the fact that...
01:10:11So that there are wonderful stories behind them, right?
01:10:13How wonderful is what we have shared today about Esvedra, from Mallorca, that journey into the depths of our colleague
01:10:19Luis Álvarez.
01:10:20Incidentally, they recently reissued the magnum opus of the great Jacques Cousteau, and when one sees it again,
01:10:29I assure you, he is still impressed.
01:10:31That silence we have tried to reproduce, that sound of silence, gives the impression that man continues to put his
01:10:37You look into space,
01:10:38We try to reach Mars, we try to reach solar systems that are almost, almost unimaginable.
01:10:45But the truth is that on our own Earth, 70% of our small, humble, and fragile celestial ball
01:10:52In the middle of nowhere, it's water.
01:10:53And in those depths, new species continue to be discovered. Some, already discovered, certainly, when we see them again, still seem...
01:11:01science fiction monsters.
01:11:03I don't think any screenwriter, no Steven Spielberg, can create this.
01:11:07Nature did. Devil shark, mitzigurina, whitish, always wandering almost like a six-legged creature through those depths, or this shark, eel
01:11:18blind.
01:11:19It gives the impression that while scientists are looking at the stars, things are happening down there, and sometimes
01:11:24things that appear before the humblest fisherman,
01:11:27arising because many claim that climate change, what we are doing to the planet, is forcing many species
01:11:32to emerge.
01:11:33Many of these creatures are appearing on beaches because they are abandoning or their natural habitat is changing.
01:11:40The big question, what these strangely shaped messengers are telling us, is, what are we doing with our world and
01:11:47What is happening?
01:11:48Let's not just dwell on the shock of its presence. Let's ask ourselves a little more questions and reflect on them.
01:11:55We are changing their world, their microcosm. What will be next? What will change next?
01:12:03See you in seven days, here as always, in the mystery ship.
01:12:35Subscribe to the channel!
01:13:03Subscribe to the channel!
01:13:19Subscribe to the channel!