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00:26What you are about to see is an initiation scene.
00:29which is practiced today in Naples, a city marked by crime and delinquency.
01:09Very good, you're a man now, bravo.
01:11Good evening and welcome to the mystery ship.
01:14Indeed, this happens, and it happens in the heart of Europe.
01:18Naples. I've experienced some curious anecdotes in that bustling, exciting city.
01:24I'm going to tell you one because we're in a book area, our small but great library.
01:29I remember that on Feltrinelli Island, one of the most important bookstores there,
01:33I quickly headed to the local topics shelf.
01:37One looks there for archaeology, anthropology, ethnology, legends.
01:41What I found left me speechless.
01:44Books like this one, Secrets of Naples, but which have to do with the Camorra,
01:49Words like omertà, cholera in Naples, dead in the streets of Naples, revenge, mafia.
01:56All of that was repeated.
01:57All the books had to do with that stigma.
02:00A stigma that is now more fashionable than ever, with Roberto Sabiano's book Gomorrah.
02:05You know him, that young writer who is threatened and has to go around with ten bodyguards.
02:10Describe terrifying things, like the things you have seen and will see tonight.
02:14Those children, barely 12 years old, who are taken to some vacant lots in Naples,
02:19They put bulletproof vests on them and shoot them to see how they can handle their fear,
02:25how they can be transformed into men.
02:26Tonight we're going to talk about the mafia, but also perhaps about the first mafia.
02:30Some say it was born in Spain and was called La Garduña.
02:34It's going to be just one of those exciting pieces of content,
02:39Because tonight, for example, we will immerse ourselves in the waters of the Mediterranean, in the Balearic Islands.
02:45Luis Álvarez is going to put on his diving suit and tanks,
02:49And he's going to try to find out, do you remember that thing about the strange sounds?
02:53that occurred at great depths?
02:55All that and much more.
02:56But the subject of Gomorrah has me absolutely fascinated,
03:00It also has my good friend, a journalist and lover of Naples, very passionate about it.
03:05Eric Fratini.
03:06How are you, Iker?
03:06Good evening, friend.
03:07How are you?
03:08Well, you're in Naples, I'm not going to say almost every month,
03:10But you know that city, its pulse.
03:12We have a mutual friend, Marco, who always told us a little bit about what's coming up here.
03:16People can say fiction or not.
03:18Does it get that far?
03:19Yes, yes, it's a curious city.
03:23I admit that it's one of my favorite cities in Italy; I go there a lot.
03:28And I always define it as, it's like a kind of organized chaos.
03:33It's like a city, so people understand, it's like a war zone.
03:38where a war is taking place, but really you as a tourist or as a foreigner
03:43You don't notice it when it arrives in the city.
03:45In other words, you don't notice it.
03:46But you can definitely feel it when you meet people from Naples itself, Neapolitans.
03:53Of course, they tell you about the problems they're having as taxi drivers, as pastry chefs,
03:58as people in charge of changing the windows of a building.
04:02In other words, everything is related to the Camorra.
04:05Everything is controlled by the Camorra.
04:07Sabiano says that 70% of Naples' trade is controlled by the Camorra, the Neapolitan mafia.
04:14In other words, he recounts details that have surprised me, Eric.
04:17Because we had a great time and, it must be said, the people were extraordinarily friendly.
04:22with the Cuarto Milenio team in Naples.
04:23That powerful, Mediterranean city.
04:26Well, things like that, for example, come from that war, of course, and there are victims.
04:31Deaths in places like Herculaneum and Pompeii.
04:33Do you remember the images we recorded of those bodies from 1979, from the Vesuvius disaster?
04:39transformed in age?
04:40Well, it's a way of killing some informers or some women,
04:44who were lovers of brawlers, from opposing factions.
04:48Roberto Sabiano describes it as putting them in a car, a specific model, a small, Italian one.
04:54bathe them in acid, set them on fire.
04:56And the effect was that at the gates of Pompeii, modern Pompeii or Herculaneum,
05:01with suburban characteristics, a body appeared, year 2005, 2006, 2008,
05:06calcined exactly the same as before.
05:08Stories, for example, of how the drug is tested, Eric.
05:11The clans go to the last heroin addicts, inject them in the neck,
05:16They test the quality of the drug on them to see if they die or not.
05:20And all of this with impunity for everyone.
05:22Yes, yes, yes. And it's absolute, as you say, absolute impunity.
05:26In other words, of course, you think, I believe that Roberto Sabiano is too optimistic.
05:31With respect to a figure of 70%, I believe it is much higher.
05:34In other words, think, for example, of the public prosecutor's office, the anti-mafia unit
05:39The Italian State Police acknowledged, based on statistical figures, that
05:43For example, when talking about the Camorra, let's not call it the mafia, let's call it the Camorra.
05:49Because the mafia, when you talk about the Italian mafia, is about Sicily.
05:51We're talking about the Camorra in Naples.
05:54For example, the Camorra controls almost 79% of the flour.
05:59that enters Naples to make bread.
06:02For example, they control the entire window replacement business,
06:07of broken glass in buildings.
06:09They control, for example, everything that was the famous garbage collection war,
06:13which was a war between the Camorra itself and the State.
06:15That the city could have been infected.
06:16Yes, yes, well, the city's garbage wasn't collected for five months.
06:22They control a very high percentage of mozzarella production,
06:26For example, which is the main area, buffalo mozzarella,
06:28which is very famous all over the world.
06:30And then I'll tell you about the war that broke out the last time I was with the mozzarella.
06:33with a Camorra theme.
06:35In other words, there is a...
06:38In other words, they control the taxi drivers' unions.
06:40They control the transport unions,
06:43They control the street sweepers, those who collect the garbage.
06:45In other words, the power of the Camorra is very significant.
06:49Naples, what is that?
06:50Naples is like that.
06:51Naples is like laundry hanging in the streets.
06:55One image I have of Naples is of a four-year-old boy
06:59driving a motorcycle on the sidewalk at full speed.
07:01In other words, that's Naples.
07:03Did you know Roberto Sabiano?
07:04I met Roberto Sabiano.
07:06Ten bodyguards, ten carabinieri have put a price on his head.
07:09Why, if, as I mentioned, there are dozens of books about the Camorra's business dealings?
07:14Incidentally, Sabiano confessed to the country that the great paradise of the Camorra members is Spain.
07:19Yes, yes, well, I think Spain is much more than just the Camorra.
07:22It is the great paradise of the Russian mafia, it is the great paradise of the Albanian-Kosovar mafia
07:26And it's a great haven for the Camorra.
07:30In other words, if you look at the latest police actions of the Spanish police,
07:34of the Civil Guard or National Police,
07:36Big-time mafia bosses have been arrested here.
07:38The last one was arrested, I think it was in Valencia, in a hotel in Valencia.
07:41And he was wanted; I think he had nine Interpol arrest warrants.
07:45And I was in Valencia, in a hotel, a big hotel in Valencia, enjoying life.
07:49In other words, of course, the Camorra uses Spain as a major money laundering center.
07:57That's the main problem, and of course, until there's a request from a judge in Naples
08:01To request extradition, he is not arrested by a European arrest warrant.
08:05what they call the European arrest warrant, an arrest warrant between countries of the European Union.
08:10The Camorra, I tell you, there are some very curious things that happen in Italy
08:16Because the Italians themselves tell you that Italy is in the 21st century
08:21Except for Naples and Sicily, which are controlled by the Camorra and the Mafia.
08:26They say the clans operated in a certain way,
08:29Some think it was part of a kind of pyramid structure
08:33used by the church and which acted, legend or not,
08:36We will also discover it with exceptional guests in Toledo,
08:39in the streets of Toledo in the 15th century.
08:41But there's more, there are some images from Saviano's film Gomorrah
08:44based on her book, which are impressive, for example,
08:46I think they call them, I might be wrong, and it's Tori, something like that.
08:49Some young children, 12 years old, who are becoming the new guerrillas of the Camorra.
08:51They keep calling, there's some tremendous scene,
08:55calling ladies, calling women to come down
08:57And at that moment they climb out the window, and their heads are blown off.
09:10Maria.
09:13Maria, come down.
09:15I have to tell you something.
09:18Go upstairs for a moment.
09:19No, you go down.
09:21Why can't you go up?
09:22Hurry up, I have to go.
09:33Tata?
09:36Tata?
09:39They say that in Naples
09:41It's easy to see a group of children,
09:43like the ones we're seeing,
09:44who enter video game stores,
09:46sneakers, sports shoes,
09:47They choose the most expensive items
09:49And they leave without paying.
09:51No cashier says anything to them.
09:52They said a sentence.
09:54I belong to the San Josepe Vesuviano system,
09:58the Camorra there.
09:59I belong to the Torre del Greco system.
10:01Children aged 12 and 13 have free rein.
10:04A country, more than a country,
10:06a region that has been stigmatized for centuries,
10:09But it seems to be true.
10:11We'll continue talking about that
10:12And from that amazing term, the weasel.
10:15Do you have a copy there, Eric, of your book, Mafia?
10:18A highly recommended monograph,
10:21100% like Saviano's book,
10:22that Eric Fratini made for Spasa.
10:24Please listen.
10:24What is this, Eric?
10:26This is the text of the oath
10:28to get into our business,
10:30to get into the mafia.
10:31It is the oath they swear to him
10:33when a man is already accepted
10:35by the family boss
10:38and he takes an oath.
10:40The text has been revealed; it was secret.
10:43and it was revealed by Jimmy Fratiano.
10:45Jimmy Fratiano became chief
10:46from the Los Angeles family,
10:48a boss, a kingpin,
10:49and became a federal informant.
10:52So, in those statements
10:54and those revelations he made to the feds,
10:56He gave this text
10:58which is the Cosa Nostra oath.
11:00We listen.
11:01It says so.
11:02We meet here
11:03to accept a new member.
11:05You are now entering
11:07in the honorable society of Cosa Nostra,
11:09which only hosts
11:11to men of valor and loyalty.
11:13You go in alive and come out dead.
11:15The pistol and the dagger
11:16are the instruments
11:17through which
11:18You live and you die.
11:20Cosa Nostra
11:21It comes before anything else in life,
11:23before family,
11:25before the country,
11:26before God.
11:27When you are called,
11:29You must go,
11:30even though your mother,
11:31your wife
11:31or your children
11:32are on their deathbed.
11:35Raise your finger
11:36and cause a drop of blood to flow,
11:38since this symbolizes
11:39your birth into our family.
11:41From now on
11:42We are one until death.
11:44Now you're a grown man,
11:46a friend of ours,
11:47a soldier of the family.
11:50There's little more to add.
11:53Well, yes,
11:54a question.
11:55Is it true that perhaps
11:56the mafia organization,
11:59the inspiration for all of this
12:01with the connection that exists
12:02between Spain and Naples,
12:03Did it come from the streets of Toledo?
12:06Much has been written about La Garduña,
12:08Much is also certain with fiction,
12:11And there is much to discover.
12:13Let's do it, Eric.
12:14seem to you?
12:14Very good.
12:15Let's travel through old Toledo
12:17and then we continued talking
12:17of the mafia,
12:18of the Camorra,
12:19of criminal organizations
12:20which remain mysterious.
12:25The mere act of pronouncing his name
12:27It was a cause of terror
12:28in many cities
12:30of the Spanish crown
12:32for four centuries.
12:34The Beech
12:35It is undoubtedly
12:36the Spanish criminal organization
12:38about which the most has been written,
12:40maybe
12:40because it was the best
12:42She knew how to keep her secrets.
12:52The origin of La Garduña,
12:53like everyone else's
12:54or almost all secret societies,
12:56It is uncertain.
12:57The fact that
12:59the birth
13:00associated with the city of Toledo
13:02It is nothing more than a hypothesis,
13:04which is true
13:05That's the hypothesis
13:06which has more appearances
13:07if it is true.
13:09It was born in the 15th century,
13:11There are those who claim
13:12who was born exactly
13:12in the year 1412,
13:14which also seems indisputable
13:16It's that it has its ups and downs
13:17remained for a while
13:18of four centuries,
13:20in fact,
13:20the last process
13:21that is preserved,
13:23which is the city of Seville,
13:25in which they light
13:26to the Grand Master
13:27supposedly from La Garduña,
13:28It is from 1822.
13:30The dungeons
13:31through which I now stroll
13:32They went to jail
13:33from Toledo
13:34for almost
13:35four centuries.
13:37They say more than
13:38100 people
13:39They lived in this place
13:40crowded together.
13:41It's very difficult
13:42understand
13:43those conditions
13:44human
13:45in the total and absolute
13:46misery,
13:47convicted
13:48to a terrible oblivion.
13:49The fact that
13:50Let's be here today
13:51It's because we walk
13:52on the trail
13:53of a secret society
13:54that marked
13:55for 400 years
13:56the history of Spain,
13:57The Beech Tree.
13:59Pursue them,
14:00to understand them,
14:01very complicated,
14:02there are hardly any left
14:02historical documents
14:03that they tell us about them.
14:05The case
14:06It's that in cities
14:07how are you doing,
14:07in Toledo,
14:08its seed is there
14:09and it is crucial
14:10understand them
14:11for one thing,
14:12because if we arrive
14:13to know how they worked,
14:15we will understand today
14:16how they operate
14:17in Italy
14:18other organizations
14:19criminals
14:20as is the case
14:20of the Neapolitan Camorra.
14:28There are hardly any left
14:29documents
14:30let them tell us
14:30how it worked
14:31exactly
14:32The Beech Tree.
14:33Its members
14:34They took great care of each other.
14:35to capture
14:35their names
14:36in any writing
14:37that would make them guilty
14:38before a court
14:39that could condemn them.
14:41In the letters
14:42of Jesuits,
14:43some of them published
14:44in the Spanish historical archive
14:45that are preserved,
14:46For example,
14:47at the National Library,
14:48Yes, it is mentioned
14:49because of existence,
14:50without giving further details.
14:52It's curious.
14:52because while they talk
14:54of organized gangs
14:55in Madrid
14:56of the Habsburgs,
14:57however,
14:58when they refer
15:00to this term
15:00from La Garduña,
15:01They gloss over it.
15:03Specifically,
15:04I don't know.
15:05if they knew
15:06of its existence
15:07or simply,
15:09let's say,
15:10I think they had
15:10the references.
15:13At his birth
15:14was
15:15the secret
15:16of his long life,
15:17since the very same
15:18Inquisition
15:18I supported her
15:19from its beginnings.
15:22In this band
15:22of criminals
15:23the Church found
15:24the enforcement arm
15:26to pursue
15:26illegally
15:28to the false converts.
15:30The persecution
15:31of those people
15:31that after the edict
15:32of expulsion
15:33in 1492
15:34they had decided
15:36face the music
15:36of Christian
15:37And yet,
15:38In short,
15:39they ended up Judaizing
15:40at times.
15:42Everything was favorable
15:43in Spain
15:44from that time
15:44for creation
15:45of a criminal group
15:46of such characteristics,
15:48even
15:49the economic conditions.
15:52It's true
15:53that the explosion
15:55that certain cities have
15:56such as
15:57Seville,
15:58the one that begins
15:58to come the gold
15:59American
16:00from the 16th century onwards,
16:02makes them appear
16:04criminal organizations
16:05very well structured
16:07and that appear,
16:08in fact,
16:08collections
16:09in our novels
16:10of The Picaresque.
16:11The Picaresque
16:12features a whole team
16:13of criminals
16:14organized
16:15and Rinconet and Cortadillos,
16:17For example,
16:18the perfect demonstration
16:20how they worked
16:22those organizations.
16:33This way,
16:35the weasel
16:36took root
16:36in the entrails
16:37of society
16:38of our country,
16:39creating everything
16:40a mafia network
16:41who was able
16:42to transfer
16:42our borders.
16:44Settling in
16:45like a lethal virus
16:46that survives
16:47in certain places
16:48to this day.
16:50Actually
16:51It was a species
16:52of structure
16:54where everything
16:55found its place.
16:56The typical organization
16:57criminal
16:58usually met
16:59in playgrounds
17:00to a series
17:01of criminals
17:02that ranged from
17:02the hired killers,
17:04that such a change
17:05of certain coins
17:05They were stabbing each other,
17:07even the bag cutters,
17:08the swindlers,
17:10the swindlers
17:10And it's curious to see
17:11because they had
17:12a whole jargon
17:13and you find
17:14very curious characters.
17:15One of the most
17:16It catches my attention
17:17They were old,
17:18people of a certain age,
17:20with a respectable appearance,
17:21who pretended
17:22by venerable blessed ones,
17:24They went to the houses
17:25and with that look
17:26so venerable
17:27They were seeing if he deserved it
17:28It's a shame to steal it.
17:28The Beech
17:30He operated masterfully
17:32for centuries,
17:33looting many
17:34from the noble coffers
17:35from Spain.
17:36Its ending
17:37However, it was
17:38sudden.
17:40The last Big Brother,
17:41Francisco Cortina,
17:42He was executed in Seville
17:44November 23
17:45of 1822,
17:47implicated in a triple murder.
17:50Beside him,
17:51They climbed the scaffold
17:52another 16 weasels.
17:54Not even the Holy Inquisition
17:55He was able to save them
17:56already of its destination.
17:59Let us not forget
18:00that the Inquisition
18:01is abolished
18:01in this country
18:02in 1834,
18:03the last time
18:04that attaches to someone
18:05and declares
18:05Big Brother
18:06of the Beech marten
18:06It is in 1822.
18:08That is to say,
18:09the dates
18:09They are practically identical.
18:11Why is it so important?
18:12That's precisely why
18:13and second,
18:13because it was
18:14beyond our borders.
18:16The Beech
18:17went to the Indies
18:18and went through certain
18:19kingdoms of Europe.
18:21Clear,
18:22This has done
18:22which also
18:23it would increase
18:24fame
18:25as an institution
18:26absolutely brilliant,
18:28Absolutely brilliant!
18:28and absolutely disproportionate.
18:36The terror of the Garduña
18:38It ended forever
18:39in Spain,
18:40but its cold shadow,
18:41his cruelty,
18:42It still lashes
18:43countries like Italy.
18:45And that's because,
18:46his legacy,
18:47the crime,
18:48It doesn't need allies.
18:49It is deeply rooted
18:51deep inside
18:52of every human being.
19:04Well then,
19:04navigating through history
19:05and the legend,
19:06They tell us that
19:07the Beech
19:08It was a species
19:09of brotherhood
19:09of a secret society,
19:11criminal,
19:12stratified.
19:13Amazing
19:14is listening
19:14to good friends
19:15of the University
19:16from Castilla-La Mancha
19:17like Luis Rodríguez Bausá,
19:18speaking of which
19:19the last one executed
19:20as a great master
19:22of the Beech marten
19:22It is from 1822.
19:25So,
19:25apparently,
19:26this society
19:27It had a great longevity.
19:29We are accompanied by
19:30another good friend
19:31and great sage
19:32in these matters,
19:33Miguel Gómez
19:34Bozmediano,
19:35PhD in History
19:36and official
19:36from the Ministry of Culture.
19:37Miguel,
19:38welcome,
19:38good night.
19:39Good night.
19:40Besides,
19:40Well,
19:41This is what we are passionate about,
19:41about searching for documents,
19:43You bring some amazing ones.
19:44Man,
19:45You have it there,
19:45I'm telling you.
19:46because it surprised me
19:47I'd really like to read it like this.
19:48stealthily,
19:49a definition of Garduña
19:51which is not exactly
19:52that of society,
19:53but it seems to be
19:53that already had to see
19:54of very ancient
19:55with crime,
19:56No?
19:56Yeah,
19:57indeed.
19:58Sebastian de Covarrubias,
19:59who was one of the first
20:01in doing
20:01a great dictionary
20:03let's say from that time
20:03which is called
20:04Treasure of the Language
20:05Castilian or Spanish.
20:06In 1615,
20:07in the second
20:09let's say meaning
20:10of the word
20:10Beech marten
20:11It was attributed to him
20:14to the thief
20:15subtle hands
20:16we call it Garduña
20:17because it throws
20:17the claw and the nail.
20:19Garduña to the thief
20:20subtle
20:21which would only be,
20:22Miguel,
20:23one of the trades
20:24of the Garduña.
20:25The first big question,
20:27Do you think it existed?
20:28This society, really?
20:29Because there are those who defend
20:30yes,
20:30There are those who defend
20:31which is a species
20:31like something out of a legend
20:33urban of the time.
20:34Yeah,
20:34It is a species
20:35as an abstract entity
20:36that a little too
20:37like the Guadiana
20:38that appears and disappears
20:39depending on the times.
20:41It may be that
20:42at some point
20:43was there some kind
20:44of organization
20:45perfectly hierarchical,
20:47But I think more
20:48let's say that
20:48what it's about
20:49if it existed
20:51on some occasion,
20:53over the years
20:54what was done
20:54it was taking advantage
20:55of his name
20:56let's say
20:56to try
20:58to give prestige
20:59to the different
21:00gangs of thugs
21:01What was his name?
21:02at the time.
21:03Carmen,
21:03There are some documents
21:04really,
21:05clear,
21:06Now we can see it
21:06almost with a smile,
21:08but at the time
21:08in Toledo
21:09and in other cities
21:09It would cause terror.
21:11There was a series
21:12of degrees,
21:13No?
21:13or of positions
21:15inside the pyramid
21:16of the Beech marten
21:17What are you going to tell us?
21:18and we'll see.
21:19and then we debated.
21:20There were positions
21:21within this brotherhood
21:22because they
21:23They called themselves
21:24sisterhood,
21:24no society.
21:25And in that brotherhood
21:27the head
21:28of that entire dome
21:30They were the managers,
21:32a secret executive
21:33to which only they had access
21:35the older brother
21:35who was precisely the one
21:37it was coming from below
21:38whom they also called
21:39the grand master
21:40and used to be
21:41of a high social standing.
21:43Someone in society
21:44of that time,
21:45in Toledo society,
21:46from 15th-century Toledo,
21:48He had a certain amount of power.
21:49Because of course,
21:50He had to move.
21:51important,
21:52but at the same time he was committing crimes.
21:54He directly
21:55he did not commit crimes,
21:56He was pulling the strings.
21:57so that the criminals
21:59true
22:00they would do it for him.
22:01Beneath him
22:02There was the foreman,
22:02that there was one
22:03in each city
22:04And so they went on saying
22:05what they had to do
22:06in each of the towns.
22:07Then there was
22:08what were called
22:08the colleagues.
22:09In the colleagues
22:10There were the scorers,
22:11who were dedicated
22:13to kill,
22:13to tap,
22:14to stick the knife in.
22:16They could do it to kill
22:17or simply to hurt,
22:19as a warning,
22:20just in case
22:20I hadn't paid him
22:22what the weasel
22:23He wanted to be paid.
22:25Or were they also
22:25the flower sellers,
22:26who were the ones who most
22:27They were involved in robberies.
22:28and minor injuries.
22:30Flowerers.
22:31Flowermakers
22:31and scorers.
22:33Going further down that scale
22:34There are the applicants,
22:35who were somewhat dedicated
22:36to raise funds
22:38and they also tried
22:39level up.
22:40Because it must be said,
22:41yes indeed,
22:41that everyone,
22:42if they earned it,
22:43they could climb
22:44in that pyramid
22:46of power.
22:47And then there were
22:48the apprentices
22:48or bellows,
22:49that's where it came in
22:50of everything.
22:51There were snitches,
22:52the informers,
22:53those who did
22:54petty theft,
22:55the covers,
22:56that those were the ones
22:57others stole
22:59and they,
22:59the stolen items,
23:00They were selling them.
23:01And the mermaids too.
23:03They were called that
23:04to those women
23:05that they offered
23:10her sexual favors,
23:11Let's put it this way.
23:12How interesting,
23:13What a story!
23:14although I imagine,
23:15Now Miguel will tell us
23:16that there is also a lot
23:16legendary
23:17and new signings.
23:18It was also discussed
23:19that the Inquisition
23:21protected this group
23:24because she was cleaning
23:25of what they considered
23:26who was a bit of a scoundrel
23:27And he did it perfectly.
23:28But there's one thing first,
23:29Erick,
23:31listening to Carmen,
23:32say,
23:32Italian Camorra.
23:33That is to say,
23:33the Neapolitan Camorra,
23:35one direction,
23:36interconnected cities,
23:38can be extended
23:39within the group.
23:40Yes, and also that
23:40the structure
23:42what she said
23:43It dates from the 15th century,
23:45is the current structure
23:47that the mafia uses,
23:48not only
23:48the Neapolitan Camorra,
23:50but the swimming blood,
23:53the Calabrian woman,
23:54the sacred unitary crown
23:55from Puglia,
23:56the Sicilian mafia
23:58They use the same structure.
23:59What happens
24:00that instead of being called
24:01siren
24:01They are called prostitutes.
24:02instead of being called
24:03grand master
24:03His name is boss,
24:05The next one is consiglieri,
24:07that is to say,
24:07that all the,
24:08and then the little ones,
24:09those who carry
24:10petty crime
24:10to try to climb,
24:11what she was saying,
24:12try to climb
24:13in the pyramid of power.
24:14Sabiano tells it
24:15perfectly.
24:16They're little birds,
24:16They are the children
24:17that you were talking about
24:18that enter you
24:19and they rob you
24:19and they steal your shoes
24:20and then they try to sell them
24:22for more money
24:23to tourists
24:24or those who control
24:25counterfeits
24:27in Naples,
24:27That's all the Camorra,
24:28It's exactly the same.
24:30Crystal clear.
24:31Miguel,
24:32could be
24:33that this
24:34What if it were exactly like that?
24:35Or do you think
24:36which authors,
24:38researchers
24:38of later centuries
24:40generating the legend
24:41have gone
24:41doing all that kind of
24:43of meanings
24:43about some ranges?
24:45that really
24:46There is no documentation
24:47strict
24:48to know
24:49if the weasel
24:50acted that way
24:52And it was so well planned.
24:54Well,
24:54indeed,
24:55I think it's given
24:56more gallons
24:57of what in its day
24:58maybe he could have.
24:59One thing
25:00is this
25:01It was hierarchical,
25:02that there was secrecy,
25:03that there would be anonymity
25:04from the upper echelons,
25:06which of course
25:07they moved a lot
25:08with impunity
25:09and one other thing
25:10is that they had
25:10so much capacity
25:11as if to move
25:12so many threads
25:13in so many places
25:14and that they had
25:15let's say
25:15a goal
25:16always common.
25:18It is important to keep in mind
25:18that we are talking
25:19for a while
25:20in which
25:21Poor guy
25:22that protected us
25:23let's say
25:23in a community,
25:24a community,
25:25in a brotherhood,
25:26in a guild,
25:28Of course there were guilds
25:28a little alternative,
25:29There were guilds
25:30For example
25:31of beggars
25:32And why not...
25:33Beggars' guilds?
25:34Yeah,
25:34that is to say,
25:35they even appear
25:36with their own
25:37let's say statutes,
25:39they appear, for example
25:39in El Buscón,
25:41in the picaresque novel
25:42Some come out
25:42of these statutes
25:43a bit
25:44recreation
25:45let's say novelistic
25:47a little, let's say
25:47for the people
25:48of the time
25:48of what they could be
25:50the statutes
25:50how to ask,
25:52of whom there was no
25:52that bother,
25:53where they came from
25:54what to put to order
25:55or what occasions
25:56let's say
25:56it was forbidden to them
25:57For example
25:59steal.
26:18Do we know anything, Carmen?
26:19of that last grand master
26:23executed as we have seen?
26:241822,
26:25Because if you accuse him
26:26truly belong
26:27to the weasel.
26:28There's a story behind it,
26:30They are found in Seville
26:32at a residence also
26:33that belonged
26:33to Francisco Cortina
26:35some corpses,
26:36that of a woman
26:37to which allegedly
26:38because they had raped
26:39three brothers
26:41of the pine marten,
26:42the grand master
26:43upon learning
26:44kills
26:45to those three
26:46siblings
26:47of the pine marten
26:47Because that's true.
26:48They had it
26:49very strictly.
26:50The one who did not comply
26:51the rules,
26:52the one who did things
26:53by itself
26:54immediately
26:55was eliminated.
26:56Like the Camorra.
26:57Things haven't changed.
26:59TRUE?
26:59Since then
27:00It hasn't changed.
27:00Well, in this case
27:01equal.
27:02Investigating that crime
27:03then
27:04when the forces
27:05security
27:05are found
27:06with that book
27:07that they called
27:08the ledger.
27:09The ledger
27:09where for the first time
27:11had published
27:12a series of data
27:13that incriminated them
27:14in different murders,
27:16in different robberies.
27:17And then
27:18when they catch
27:19to 17 gardeners
27:20and in the main square
27:21from Seville
27:22They execute them.
27:23Among them
27:24the grand master.
27:26But of course,
27:26As we were saying,
27:27Miguel,
27:28There is no documentation either
27:29reliable.
27:30You who have been snooping
27:31in a thousand and one files
27:32to know
27:33if that book
27:34which would be so interesting
27:35did it really exist
27:36or it can be found.
27:37Well,
27:37I suppose that
27:38It would be one of the first effects
27:40that would disappear
27:41of all,
27:42all.
27:42It is important to keep in mind
27:43that everything that incriminates
27:44throughout history
27:46because it has disappeared
27:47in a sudden manner.
27:48Yes, that's true
27:49and some historians
27:51and some books
27:51They publish it
27:52that in that ledger
27:53that is being talked about
27:54in various publications
27:56There are statutes
27:58that had to be fulfilled
27:59to belong
28:00to the weasel.
28:01For example,
28:02first of all
28:03those who had
28:04good eye,
28:04good ear,
28:05nice legs
28:05and little tongue.
28:07Very important.
28:08The law of humidity.
28:10The law of silence.
28:11Besides,
28:12the brotherhood
28:13will be under his protection
28:14how many women
28:15have suffered persecution
28:17for justice
28:17and want to take charge
28:19of the sale
28:19of various objects.
28:21The snitches
28:22they will not be able to undertake
28:23no business
28:23on their own
28:24during the year
28:25of novitiate.
28:26The flower sellers
28:27they will live
28:28at the expense
28:29from her nails,
28:30that is to say,
28:31of stealing,
28:32belonging to them
28:33the third part
28:34of their profits,
28:35of which they will give
28:35something for the souls
28:37of purgatory.
28:38Because that's what I believe.
28:38that also the mafia
28:39He takes it very seriously.
28:40Religiosity.
28:41Religiosity.
28:42Giving a certain share,
28:43They steal,
28:44They commit crimes,
28:45but a certain part
28:46of that money
28:46either they give it or
28:48for masses
28:48that were practiced
28:49in the Toledo cathedral
28:50or
28:51to pray
28:52for the souls
28:53or even also
28:53by his brothers
28:54marduñeros
28:55that they had lost
28:56life.
28:56He says the scorers
28:58who are in charge
28:58to conduct business
29:00of greater amount
29:01also.
29:01The cover-up artists
29:02They will receive 10%.
29:04of all the sums
29:05that they perform
29:06and the mermaids
29:07the gifts
29:08that receive
29:09of the nobles,
29:09of the friars
29:10and more people
29:11who courts them.
29:13The rule of the brothers
29:14It must be
29:15formerly martyrs
29:16than confessors.
29:17I mean,
29:17that is to say,
29:18a perfect machine
29:19of generation
29:20corrupt business
29:22me too,
29:23when, let's say,
29:24I came up with this theme
29:25and this connection,
29:26I wasn't expecting it
29:26so many parallels.
29:28That is to say,
29:29the portrait
29:30from what you have read before.
29:31Anyway,
29:31I also want to tell you
29:32which, of course,
29:32the weasel
29:33Are you talking to me?
29:33of the 15th century
29:34And, of course,
29:35in Italy,
29:35For example,
29:35You know what they say
29:37in Italy
29:37that really
29:38the first families
29:39mafias
29:40with a structure
29:41like the one Carmen says
29:42It was, for example,
29:43the Medici family
29:44in Florence.
29:45That is to say,
29:45the Medici family
29:46They lacked the power,
29:47They did not wield power,
29:48but really
29:49They wielded power
29:49in the shadows.
29:50That is to say,
29:50It's from the same period.
29:52Do you think we were able to export?
29:53Do you think that somehow
29:54Were we able to export?
29:55Well,
29:55Sicily and Naples
29:56They belonged to the dragon crown.
29:57Clear,
29:58You know that Neapolitans
30:00They still tell you
30:00when they see a Spaniard
30:01they tell you
30:01but if you
30:03And we are brothers.
30:04The Neapolitans tell you.
30:05And they tell you so.
30:06with this gesture.
30:07Yeah,
30:07Yeah,
30:07clear,
30:08I don't know if that comes
30:09of the pine marten
30:09Or is it that the Spanish
30:11that we've been out there.
30:11It could be another connection
30:12with the weasel.
30:13Clear,
30:13Who knows?
30:14if it was because of the nail.
30:15One very important thing,
30:17as we see in the documents
30:18Carmen has also exhumed
30:20very interesting,
30:21There was that thing about the adjustment
30:22quickly,
30:23Roberto Sabiano tells the story
30:25or six centuries later,
30:26that is to say,
30:26pay X lires or euros now
30:28to eliminate someone.
30:30That figure
30:31of the hitman
30:33existed
30:34And it was that cold
30:35in Spain
30:35from that time?
30:36Well,
30:36There were a number of figures
30:38even still
30:39more fighty.
30:40They existed,
30:41For example,
30:41figures like the Dacian.
30:42Dacian?
30:43Dacian,
30:44who was that,
30:44let's say,
30:45who was specialized
30:46in castrating young children
30:48to do them later
30:50singer
30:50after the choirs
30:51of the churches.
30:52The castrati,
30:53No?
30:53Yeah,
30:53Yeah,
30:53was,
30:54let's say,
30:57and there was a series,
30:58let's say,
30:59of characters
31:00very unique.
31:01The most unique
31:02of these Dacians,
31:03For example,
31:04was that,
31:04let's say,
31:05who was a figure
31:05perfectly accepted
31:06in society,
31:07so much so that to guarantee
31:09the future of their children,
31:10Well, some were,
31:11let's say,
31:12willing to do
31:13are,
31:14what we now understand
31:15like barbarities.
31:16There,
31:16And Miguel mentioned it too.
31:18in the report
31:19by Juanjo Vallejo,
31:20There were some people
31:21which was,
31:21Let's put it this way,
31:23easy prey
31:23for the hedgehogs,
31:25No?
31:25The attack,
31:26For example,
31:27constant to the Judaizers
31:28and so on,
31:29and the collusion
31:29with the Inquisition,
31:30like the Inquisition
31:31I didn't just watch
31:32On the other hand,
31:33but even
31:33he even went so far as to say
31:34that financed or helped
31:35to this weasel
31:36that perhaps grew
31:37and it got out of hand.
31:38Is there more information about that?
31:39Clear,
31:40Yeah,
31:40It was said to be like
31:41the armed wing
31:42of the Inquisition
31:42that when these
31:44judicially,
31:44in quotation marks,
31:45They couldn't do anything,
31:46because they were pulling the weasel
31:48as if they were thugs
31:49nowadays,
31:50They were paid a percentage
31:52and they finished
31:53with the problem.
31:54It is also said,
31:55And Miguel said it very well before,
31:56that this is starting maybe
31:57as an organization,
31:58But then it's true
31:59that begin
32:00all kinds of thugs
32:01to say
32:01that belong to the beech marten,
32:03to such an extent
32:04that there may be
32:05a real traffic
32:06of organs,
32:08eviscerated children
32:09to those who take out
32:10the guts,
32:11various organs
32:12and it is even said
32:12that the blood
32:13to do certain things
32:14ointments
32:15that they then sold
32:16to sick people.
32:17So, look at that,
32:19to such an extent
32:20Then the atrocities began
32:22what they were doing
32:23these thugs
32:24of all kinds.
32:25In the weasel
32:26to identify
32:27they had certain
32:28symbols
32:29and even
32:31they had tattooed
32:32in the palm of the hand
32:32three
32:33as if they were freckles,
32:35so
32:36by doing this
32:37immediately
32:37they identified
32:38one another.
33:06I got him!
33:07I got him!
33:07Difficult solution
33:08It was the stigma
33:09from Naples,
33:10many Neapolitans
33:11They complain about that
33:11in Italy
33:12But that stigma
33:13It's going to be very difficult
33:13to remove
33:14And even less so after this.
33:15Yes, but also
33:15It's curious.
33:16if you let me show you
33:17one thing
33:18what is it...
33:20You always bring me things.
33:22Yes, I always bring you
33:22an object
33:23I'm here to teach
33:23a very curious object
33:27which seems...
33:27Show it, show it.
33:28It may seem
33:31something fun
33:32But if you realize
33:34and you analyze it
33:35It's not that fun.
33:36He's a mafiusu.
33:39I bought it
33:40curiously
33:40in the city of Corleone
33:41in the very heart
33:42from Sicily
33:43where they have come from
33:44all the big bosses
33:45of the mafia
33:46like Bernardo Provenzano
33:48or Totorrina
33:48the last great godfathers.
33:51Well, this gentleman
33:51He's a mafiusu
33:52wearing the typical Sicilian cap
33:54with the magnifying glass
33:56If you see it here
33:57It is the...
33:58With the double barrel.
33:58Yes, with the double-barreled sawed-off barrel
34:00which is the weapon
34:00that they use to kill.
34:02Well, this is what they sell
34:03for tourists
34:04who visit Corleone.
34:06So, of course,
34:08It's truly tragic.
34:09because when I saw it
34:11I thought, I mean,
34:11Wow,
34:12with pain and tragedy
34:13that the mafia generates
34:14or the Camorra
34:15or the sacred unitary crown
34:17that they are selling
34:18It's a bit...
34:19No, I don't know before.
34:20Should I say it?
34:21in the program.
34:21But you look at this, Erick.
34:22But it's as if he were saying
34:23as if we're going
34:24to an area of Spain
34:25and they sell you
34:25a terrorist
34:26with the balaclava
34:28with the tragedy
34:28and the blood
34:29That's what it's caused, right?
34:31It's a bit tragic.
34:32And the clearest proof, Erick,
34:34that there
34:34That's well regarded.
34:36and that he who
34:37somehow
34:38or in some parts
34:39of society
34:39He leaves and reports it.
34:40It's the one that's frowned upon
34:41and pointed out
34:42like Sabiano.
34:43Well, Sabiano
34:43He is in the United States.
34:45He is no longer in Italy.
34:46And they say never
34:47He's going to live peacefully.
34:48It's a misfortune too.
34:49A literary success
34:49But it was a misfortune for him.
34:51Yes, well,
34:51The thing is, he won't be able to.
34:52never to return.
34:53Did he regret it?
34:55had I written this book?
34:57Well, I don't know,
34:58It seemed to me
34:59truly
35:02I was going to tell you,
35:03I think it's stupid
35:03the statement
35:04from the newspaper La República
35:05saying that he never
35:06he imagined
35:06when I was writing
35:07the book.
35:08That is to say,
35:09But if you were born
35:09in Naples,
35:10Your parents are Neapolitan,
35:12You work
35:13in a newspaper
35:13from Naples
35:14and you're writing
35:15about people
35:16that surrounds you,
35:17well with people
35:18that you know
35:19that will kill you,
35:20that is to say,
35:20You know the repercussions.
35:21that book will have.
35:22But the problem also
35:23has increased
35:24So, of course,
35:25the book Gomorrah
35:26It has been a bestseller
35:27in 28 countries.
35:29So, of course,
35:29The movie has just been released,
35:31which is a movie
35:31magnificent,
35:32absolute documentary
35:34and that he is nominated
35:35to the Hollywood Oscar.
35:36So, of course,
35:37I think that's what caused it
35:38more impact,
35:39let's say,
35:40abroad
35:40of what Naples is.
35:42And look at that,
35:43the Camorra itself
35:43is selling in Naples
35:44pirated copies
35:45of Gomorrah,
35:47from that movie.
35:48In the end,
35:49business,
35:49AMPA,
35:50mystery,
35:50the weasel,
35:51we matter
35:52all this,
35:52in the end,
35:53We have tried to tell it,
35:54I'm sure it has documents
35:55that they have never seen before
35:56and they are surprising
35:57and the links,
35:57Of course,
35:59amazing.
36:00Let's move on to another topic,
36:01of course,
36:02thanks a lot,
36:03Miguel Gómez, Medium Voice
36:04It's not the last time
36:05that you're here
36:06telling us things
36:06of those files
36:07of ancient Spain.
36:08Thanks my friend,
36:09to come.
36:10Goodbye forever.
36:11Eric,
36:12What can I say?
36:12I'll see you very soon.
36:13Thank you so much.
36:14Good luck, mate.
36:16Well,
36:16Okay, now let's look at some more pictures.
36:17so shocking
36:18like the ones he tells us about
36:19Sabian of Naples,
36:21that city,
36:22in the end,
36:22thrilling,
36:23but also gloomy.
36:25We left with,
36:26Do you think the photos are good?
36:26of the fourth millennium?
36:27Yeah,
36:27with stories too
36:29exciting.
36:29Let's go with them.
36:40A week ago
36:40We were talking to them
36:41of the eternal vision
36:42from beyond.
36:43What some say
36:45which is the afterlife,
36:46that tunnel,
36:47that final glow,
36:48a figure.
36:49It seems that this photograph,
36:50even though it has nothing to do with it,
36:52It's done,
36:52is process
36:53to illustrate
36:54that matter.
36:55It was sent
36:55by Javier Mota
36:56and Mercedes Balcázar
36:57in a wonderful place,
36:59Cantabria,
36:59Vega de Paz.
37:01Vega de Paz.
37:02And they continued,
37:03as he sent us
37:03this first photograph,
37:05some of the stations
37:06ghosts
37:07that there is.
37:08And I say ghosts
37:09because never
37:09They came to be used.
37:11Under Franco's regime
37:12They started building them
37:14to some prisoners,
37:15but they were never used.
37:17Yes indeed,
37:18I was losing a lot of people
37:19life in that building.
37:21Rock cars
37:21that fell on top of
37:22of these workers
37:24and also
37:24strange accidents
37:26in which the pain
37:27he concentrated
37:27on one of those roads.
37:28They were never used.
37:29They were never used
37:31and they have remained
37:31absolutely abandoned
37:33since then.
37:34But the rails
37:35and also as we see
37:36the booths
37:37They are still continuing.
37:38But the photograph
37:39which Iker was referring to
37:41This was the second image
37:42that he sent us
37:43our viewer.
37:45Excellent!
37:45as an image.
37:46I don't know what it will be right now,
37:47But it's really good.
37:48He was with his wife
37:49and says he didn't give them
37:51great vibes
37:52enter this tunnel
37:53until the end.
37:55That's why he told her
37:55to his wife
37:56that he left
37:57and thus backlit
37:58I was going to do it
37:58a photograph.
38:00And so he did.
38:01But when they arrived
38:02to his home,
38:03We've illuminated it there,
38:05It seems true,
38:06that tunnel
38:06that Bosch draws,
38:08that tunnel to the afterlife,
38:10He says there's something strange going on.
38:11Because I miss him
38:13from this image
38:14because according
38:15the viewer
38:16does not match
38:17the profile
38:17from the image
38:18with his wife's.
38:19He says he doesn't look like her.
38:20not at all
38:21to what would be
38:22his wife.
38:23We're going to apply
38:24more filters.
38:25Look,
38:25There it is highlighted.
38:27Not even with the clothes he was wearing
38:28It does not absolutely match
38:29nothing.
38:30Always trusting
38:31from what he tells us.
38:33Photographically,
38:34what it can tell us
38:35Guillermo León,
38:36Here we see it in negative.
38:37Even if you want,
38:38Although it looks very good,
38:40We expanded it a little more.
38:41Look,
38:41There it is.
38:43If we keep moving
38:44around the photograph,
38:46we can see
38:47how there is a head
38:49somewhat strange,
38:51TRUE?
38:51Because it looks like it's wearing
38:52like a handkerchief
38:53or something.
38:54I'm going to put it here
38:55which is more illuminated.
38:57Look.
38:58Gee.
38:59TRUE?
38:59As if he were wearing glasses,
39:02a rather strange head,
39:03the body,
39:04a very long neck.
39:05Well,
39:06And what is the effect?
39:06of the light?
39:07Well,
39:08Guillermo León
39:09photographically it tells us
39:10that it had to be his wife,
39:11that with the backlighting
39:12has caused it to blur
39:14and come out this way,
39:16but that would have
39:17that she,
39:18because otherwise,
39:18It cannot be explained
39:19what can you see
39:20these effects.
39:20There can be no other solution,
39:22because otherwise,
39:23Where is his wife?
39:24It couldn't have been
39:25replaced
39:26because of a strange image.
39:27Now,
39:27There's another story here too.
39:28These two photographs
39:29They have a history,
39:30one of the ghost stations
39:31and another,
39:32what was happening in this house.
39:34Because even before
39:34to explain the photo,
39:35Let's open the photo,
39:36Carmen,
39:37but I would like
39:38that people
39:39start identifying something,
39:40But tell him
39:41the story of that house
39:42and that girl.
39:43Well, this girl,
39:44when it is taken
39:44the photograph
39:45in a Catalan town,
39:48in Hospitalet de Llobregat,
39:50I was two years old,
39:51two and a half years,
39:52According to his mother,
39:54who is the one who writes
39:55to Fourth Millennium
39:56and sends us
39:56such a curious photograph.
39:58The girl says
39:59that in that house
40:00where they went to live
40:01I felt strange things.
40:02Even one day
40:03the parents
40:04They entered his room
40:05and they saw as if
40:06comb someone's hair.
40:07I was using the brush
40:09combing hair in the air.
40:10When they asked her,
40:11They said there was a girl
40:12and that she was brushing her hair
40:14the hair.
40:15Apparently,
40:16I saw strange characters
40:17this girl
40:18and they weren't very comfortable
40:19in that house
40:20to such an extent
40:21who went to live
40:22to another town.
40:24But let's get down to business.
40:25the image
40:25and the anomaly
40:26that's in it.
40:27Let's point her out.
40:29Look,
40:31There's like a sofa,
40:31a window behind.
40:33I'm going to expand it now.
40:37Right there.
40:39We see it, right?
40:40As if it were
40:40the face,
40:42the face
40:42of a woman.
40:44Look.
40:44There it is.
40:46It's a face that looks like
40:47to be scared
40:48and who looks from
40:49the darkness
40:50as if wrapped in something.
40:51Could that girl be her?
40:53the one that was
40:53Combing the girl's hair?
40:55Well, we don't think so.
40:56We don't believe
40:56because photographic analysis
40:58what they tell us,
41:00look,
41:00Here we have it perfectly,
41:02TRUE?
41:03Let's move it,
41:04to put it there
41:05in the foreground.
41:05What it tells us
41:06Guillermo León
41:07is behind
41:07There had to have been
41:08a television.
41:09A television
41:10which also
41:10at that time
41:11It was on
41:12and was broadcasting
41:13precisely
41:14this image
41:15that they captured
41:16the cameras
41:16by chance.
41:18Now,
41:18It's perfectly fine.
41:19integrated,
41:19TRUE?
41:19At the window
41:20as if she too
41:21look at the photograph.
41:23Again,
41:23a solution.
41:25What we cannot
41:26provide a solution
41:26That's what they experienced there.
41:28Clear.
41:29Ana and Ramón Carbonell
41:30They sent us
41:31this image
41:32And we must understand.
41:32the fright of his parents,
41:33No?
41:34The previous story
41:35and that one,
41:36by accident,
41:37due to screen reflection,
41:39See that it comes up.
41:40It really is
41:41hallucinatory.
41:42Two photographs
41:43with history
41:45And we like that.
41:47And speaking of stories,
41:49Let's dive in.
41:50What do you think?
41:50In the depths.
41:52You will remember that it does
41:53a few years
41:54all the press,
41:55especially the press
41:56Balearic,
41:56obviously,
41:57He was talking about strange sounds
41:59on the seabed
42:01of the islands.
42:02And that even went so far as to
42:04practically
42:04to the Balearic Parliament
42:06because someone was talking
42:08from factories,
42:09of clandestine works,
42:10other sounds
42:11of certain animals,
42:12There was talk of a type
42:13of shark.
42:14The truth and the fact
42:15It's that people
42:16accustomed,
42:17the fishermen,
42:18even the submariners,
42:19They were frankly
42:21scared.
42:22This had never happened to them before.
42:23Something like that.
42:23And that area also coincides with it.
42:25with an activity
42:26almost perennial
42:27of sightings
42:28of strange lights.
42:29Luis Álvarez
42:30not only has he done
42:30a report,
42:31but has taken
42:32the fins,
42:33has taken
42:34the gas cylinders
42:35of oxygen,
42:36has done
42:36decompression
42:37relevant
42:38and has gotten involved
42:39down there
42:39so that you
42:40know the truth,
42:42what there is,
42:43what remained
42:43of that enigma,
42:44the sounds
42:45from the depths.
42:51Despite
42:53the oceans
42:53represent
42:54two-thirds
42:55parts of the planet,
42:56we may know
42:58better the terrain
42:58from Mars
42:59than the depths
43:00marine.
43:01Underwater
43:02it makes its way
43:03to a reality
43:04different,
43:05full of strange beings
43:06and images
43:07impossible.
43:08A surprising world
43:10but hostile
43:10where they await us
43:12some surprises.
43:22According to what they said
43:22that was seen
43:23a back
43:24inside the water,
43:26nothing more, nothing less
43:28They disappeared.
43:32I imagine that
43:33they would stay
43:34a little surprised
43:35and not afraid,
43:35No?
43:36Yeah,
43:36normal.
43:40But one clarity
43:41as if it were
43:41a ball of light
43:42that passes underneath
43:43from the ship.
43:43Like a ball of light,
43:44they saw each other sometimes
43:46But, huh?
43:47In Soyer,
43:48on the island of Mallorca,
43:49the old sailors
43:51of the port
43:51They re-link their networks.
43:53Despite the early start,
43:54the fleet will remain
43:56tied up
43:56throughout the day.
43:58A storm is coming.
44:00These are days
44:01to remember
44:02and they tell us
44:03sadly
44:04how disappears
44:04your profession
44:05without generational replacement.
44:08Years ago
44:09that do not intersect
44:09on the high seas
44:10with the members
44:10of the Spanish Olympic team.
44:13Underwater fishing
44:14as a sport
44:15He doesn't live either
44:15his best moments.
44:17However,
44:18They remember perfectly
44:20some stories
44:21incredible
44:21that they told them
44:22about noise
44:23and lights in the background
44:24those young people
44:25neoprene sausages
44:27with harpoon at the ready.
44:28The topic of sounds
44:30came to light
44:32in the year 2002
44:33which was a publication
44:35daily business
44:36from a newspaper
44:38from here
44:38from the island of Mallorca
44:39in which they came out
44:41two people
44:42who are Pepe Amengual
44:42and Carbonell
44:44a relative of his
44:44and both are
44:46true champions
44:47of spearfishing.
44:49And obviously
44:50simply because
44:51from them saying it
44:52for me
44:52Pepe Amengual
44:53is one of the people
44:54that they know best
44:54the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea
44:56but perhaps
44:57throughout the world.
44:59Us
44:59while practicing spearfishing
45:02in these waters
45:03so virginal
45:04let's say
45:06we couldn't hear
45:07no noise whatsoever
45:08more than
45:09some ship
45:09if it happened.
45:11Then of course
45:12being in the water
45:13and hear the blow
45:14because of the noise
45:15that we heard
45:16It was like a kind
45:18hydraulic hammer
45:19I mean, it was a boom
45:20and this boom
45:23this
45:23we heard it
45:24well, at the same time
45:26relatively
45:28rhythmic
45:29and of course
45:30at this moment
45:31that I'll be there
45:32and you heard
45:32Boom!
45:32What happened here?
45:33And you went out
45:34poked its head out
45:35you were looking
45:36You didn't see any ships
45:38You couldn't see anything
45:39because I couldn't see anything
45:40and of course
45:41so
45:41I don't know where it comes from
45:43and we never knew
45:45but something that is
45:47It's that when there was
45:47these noises
45:48the fish
45:49They were quite restless
45:50They looked very nervous
45:52and he wasn't seen strolling around
45:54through the middle
45:54like when you couldn't see anything
45:56It was a rhythm
45:57continued
45:58of blows
45:59of blows
46:00but that lasted
46:01a whole day
46:02that is, with a periodicity
46:04I don't know
46:04maybe
46:06one minute
46:07or 30 seconds
46:08or 45
46:09I don't remember exactly anymore.
46:11But that's how it was.
46:12and it was monotonous
46:13all day
46:16we track the centers
46:17Soyer diving
46:18in search of more testimonies
46:20at Octopus Diving
46:21Miguel and the instructors
46:23They know perfectly well
46:24the strange matter
46:26during the summer season
46:28They spend hours diving
46:29on the north coast
46:30from Mallorca
46:31I've heard them.
46:32here in front of Soyer
46:33I can't say anything
46:35throughout the north
46:36But here in front of Soyer
46:37from time to time
46:38you can hear
46:39What do you hear?
46:40There were some noises
46:43more difficult to explain
46:45that
46:47Well
46:49How can this be explained?
46:51It's like a
46:53very permanent
46:55like machines
46:56that peck at the rocks
46:57like that but
46:58as if from afar
46:59from very far away
47:00I have heard
47:01indeed
47:01of
47:02of several people
47:04that
47:05what they say
47:06that they have heard something
47:07me
47:08For example
47:09the former owner
47:10from the diving center
47:12He used to tell me
47:12which was a little
47:13a legend
47:14because here
47:16It has always been said
47:17that there is a basis
47:18submarine
47:19in the port
47:20and?
47:21people
47:22Of course
47:23I related it
47:24with this
47:25they say that
47:25the entire base
47:26from the military base
47:28that there
47:28in the Second World War
47:30It was a factory
47:31torpedoes
47:32and the navy
47:33and from there
47:35There are tunnels
47:36that flow
47:37down the sea
47:38outwards
47:40these entries
47:41belong
47:42to the old powder magazine
47:43Frank is talking about
47:44today
47:45They are walled up
47:46but in times
47:47were used
47:48by the navy
47:49North American
47:50until the base
47:50was dismantled
47:51It is believed that they have
47:53a depth
47:54of one and a half kilometers
47:55and that they could communicate
47:56with some point
47:57of the abrupt
47:58Sawyer Coast
47:59however
48:00There are other theories
48:03the north coast
48:04from Mallorca
48:05that's not the only point
48:06where they have been registered
48:07the strange sounds
48:08alerted by testimonies
48:10similar
48:11We're taking the leap
48:12to Ibiza
48:13from the air
48:14the rock of Esvedra
48:16It looks imposing
48:17like a dragon
48:18asleep under the sea
48:19here
48:20He is known
48:21like the guardian
48:22of the island
48:22and the energy point
48:24perhaps responsible
48:25from the air of spirituality
48:26that germinated in Ibiza
48:27in the 70s
48:29around him
48:30they are counted
48:31all kinds of legends
48:32about lights
48:33that emerge
48:34here too
48:35have been heard
48:36metallic noises
48:37despite being
48:38hundreds of miles
48:40from Tarragona
48:40and its oil refinery
48:45our team
48:46contact
48:47with a vocational school
48:48in San Antonio
48:49hand in hand
48:50by Vicente Spiteri
48:51we headed for the waters
48:52in the direction
48:53to the sleeping dragon
48:54separate us
48:55just a few miles
48:56nautical
48:57about half an hour
48:58bordering the coast
49:09after some instructions
49:11we decided to dive in
49:12in the shade
49:13from Esvedra
49:13and verify it
49:14by ourselves
49:31we descend little by little
49:32down here
49:34There are some rules
49:35to be followed to the letter
49:36an unknown abyss
49:38and wonderful
49:39it makes its way
49:4030 meters
49:41depth
49:42below 15
49:44the pressure
49:44it becomes unbearable
49:46we take a breath
49:48bottled nitrox
49:49and we listened
49:50silently
49:58my trail
50:00down here
50:01There is no sound
50:04our instructor
50:06acknowledges that an exhibition
50:07prolonged
50:08to bottled nitrox gas
50:10can produce
50:11mild hallucinations
50:12maybe here
50:14find the answer
50:15Or maybe not
50:17the world champions
50:19They fished with free breath.
50:20at depths
50:2130 meters
50:22underwater diving
50:23yet
50:25maybe the strong
50:26pressure at this depth
50:28alter perception
50:29Or maybe the ocean
50:31Don't reserve mysteries yet
50:33like the noise
50:34in such a distant world
50:36like any point
50:37of the galaxy
50:38waiting
50:39of an explanation
50:40we leave you
50:41listening
50:42the hypnotic sound
50:43from the varine fund
50:53Thank you all