00:00David, let me, I'll give you and Paul and some of the listeners an update.
00:06So, you know, I lost the bet to Mike, right?
00:09The guy who's making the helmet just sent me the helmet that I got to pay for.
00:13Yeah.
00:14Yeah, it's sweet.
00:17And I don't get to keep it.
00:19It's really sweet.
00:22I mean, he does custom helmets.
00:24He just sent me four picks and I'm just like, yep, that's, yep, yep, yep.
00:28I'd make bets with you, but when I do, I end up buying you gift cards to your favorite restaurants.
00:32Yeah, yeah.
00:33Those don't go well for me.
00:34I, yeah, we bet a full-size MSU helmet on the Lions-Green Bay game.
00:40He had the gruff he chose, right?
00:42Yeah, it's the one that they wore when they, they lost, they lose every game.
00:48It's the one they just recently lost.
00:49But when was that one last week?
00:51Three weeks?
00:51David, I think it may have been the Northwestern game.
00:54Okay.
00:55It was the gruff helmet and, yeah, I just, I just sent him pictures and he was just like,
01:01yeah, that's fire.
01:02Yeah, congratulations, you jerk.
01:05You got to, I got to see this, man.
01:06I got to see what, what this, what this looks like.
01:08This, this smells like a post to me.
01:10Whoa.
01:11So, yeah, it's.
01:13Hey, Mike, if that happens to go missing, I didn't do it.
01:16So, yeah.
01:16And the guy, he gets the stickers, he custom makes it.
01:19He does a great job.
01:20I get all my stuff from him.
01:21So, yeah, I just wanted to give everybody an update.
01:24I, I like a Lannister.
01:26I, I pay my debts.
01:27Like a Lannister always pays his debts.
01:30Game of Thrones reference.
01:31There you go.
01:33The hell is going on around here?
01:35We've got a rivalry game this week.
01:36Do we?
01:37Yeah, yeah, exactly.
01:38Do we?
01:39Because it doesn't feel like anything.
01:41This feels like any other week in the D.
01:45And if I'm honest with you, it's kind of pathetic.
01:47Like the, the total lack of buzz and vibe.
01:51You know what people say about rivalries?
01:53It doesn't matter if you're 0 and 11.
01:56The whole season comes down to this game.
01:59I don't feel that here.
02:01At all.
02:02Where is the buzz?
02:04Where is the vibe?
02:05Where is the hype?
02:06Your record isn't supposed to matter in this game.
02:08Well, the funny thing is, because you're newer here, I guess, in your world, yeah.
02:16Yeah, you're probably like, okay, it's Michigan, Michigan State week.
02:19I'm all amped up.
02:20I'm ready to go.
02:20All the vitriol is going to be at a fee.
02:23Nothing.
02:23It's not there.
02:24It's non-existent.
02:25And this is where people like Mike and David, I can't sit here and fight them over this.
02:33There used to be a time, this was hate week.
02:35It wasn't known as rival week.
02:37It was hate.
02:37It was known as hate week.
02:39And if you, you know, your mother, father, brother, best friend, whoever, either you were green or you were blue
02:49this week.
02:49I mean, D'Antonio put it best.
02:51He was like, there's no in-between.
02:52Either you're green or you're blue this week.
02:54And if you won, you got to talk smack for the next 364 days, you made that other team's life
03:02miserable.
03:03And if you lost, oh my God, you know what?
03:07It couldn't get here soon enough.
03:09The next year couldn't get here soon enough.
03:10And if you won consecutive games, you just dominated.
03:14It's where the whole little brother thing came from.
03:16It was, that was when it was in its heyday.
03:21And now it's gone.
03:24And it, and it's not gone because of the records, because there's been times where both teams have stunk and
03:30they still went out there and played.
03:32Mark, I think it's gone because there's nobody who really knows what the rivalry is anymore.
03:40Like fans still know it.
03:43Players don't.
03:44I think I read Michigan has like 16 or 17 players who've actually played against MSU.
03:50You're only going on stories.
03:52Like MSU, you know, they're bringing in some former players to teach these guys who transferred in some 50-some
03:59people.
03:59Hey, you're supposed to hate them and you don't like them and they don't know.
04:04Back in the day, a kid grew up in this area.
04:08They grew up in the state of Michigan.
04:10And you made your choice a long time ago.
04:12And you started hating them from high school.
04:14And you finally got your chance to start.
04:16And you go out there and, man, this is going to mean a little, it meant a little bit more.
04:20The hits were a little bit harder.
04:21And every new coach to the game found out the hard way.
04:26Oh, from, from Bo to everybody.
04:29Wait, this game hits different.
04:31Like for me, Bo found out.
04:32He was so focused on Ohio State.
04:34He got beat by Michigan State and said, that'll never happen again.
04:36They caught me off guard.
04:38And he, and he, he made sure of that new coaches normally lose this game because they don't understand Jonathan
04:44Smith, Michigan State coach tried to explain to that man, this is different.
04:48I played Oregon.
04:50I get it.
04:50I understand.
04:51He, after the end of the game, he was like, you guys tried to tell me this hit differently.
04:56Your boy, Whit, David, he's saying some ridiculous stuff.
05:01David's like, David's like, don't call him my boy.
05:03And he's like, yeah, you know, they, he reads the cute five by three by five cards.
05:09There's a guy that we're, it's about their brother.
05:13Who's little.
05:13Is he short?
05:14I don't, I don't know.
05:15Who's, I don't know what's going on there.
05:16Who's this guy named Bob.
05:18I'm supposed to be leery of him.
05:19Is he quarterback?
05:22He's missing the mark, man.
05:23You don't know.
05:24So the rivalry is not there because the coach doesn't know and the players don't know.
05:31And heck Michigan state may have, they got 50 some transfers and half of them ain't playing
05:36because they're out.
05:38So no, it doesn't feel the same.
05:41And this is the first week where, I mean, the first year I have no desire to go to this
05:47game because not because state's going to lose.
05:49I've been there.
05:50I was there a couple of years ago when they shouldn't have played and Michigan knew the
05:53plays and they lost 49 to nothing.
05:55I was still there.
05:56I had no desire to watch this game because it's empty.
06:00It's empty calories.
06:01It's on Peacock.
06:02It was the last pick of the big 10 selecting games.
06:05That tells you how far it's gone.
06:08That's, that's incredible.
06:09And I, I don't think, I don't put this as if Western Michigan can quote unquote beat
06:13Michigan, Michigan state can beat Michigan as well.
06:17But look, man, I'm going to tie that into what we do.
06:19You ever hear a show and it sounds like the host is bored talking about what he's talking
06:23about.
06:24And if, if you're not into what you're talking about, why should your audience be?
06:28Correct.
06:29Fans are looking at this.
06:31The players don't give a rip.
06:32They don't give a rat's ass that the rivalry doesn't mean to them or even the coaches what
06:39it means to all of you.
06:40So if you don't care, why the hell should I care?
06:43And it's so sad to me, man, you know, of all of the things you could put up the pelts
06:49on the wall for what's happened to college football.
06:52This to me is the most damaging that you've got a rivalry week and it feels like just
06:59another week.
07:00It is so sad, man.
07:02It does.
07:03But you know what would be more entertaining and David help me out because maybe I'm just
07:08off key here rather than watch the game.
07:11If you got the starting 22 for both sides and you quizzed them on the history of the game.
07:19Wouldn't be one question right.
07:21Right.
07:22That would be more interesting.
07:23Like, okay.
07:24If you, if you get seven questions, right, that's a touchdown.
07:27You got to get them all in a row though.
07:29Like if you said like, who was the guy that tripped up Desmond Howard?
07:34Who's Desmond?
07:35He played for Michigan.
07:36You mean the guy on ESPN?
07:38Yes.
07:38That Desmond.
07:39I'm glad you said the starting 22.
07:42Cause in my head I was thinking, oh, Bryce, but he's not part of the starting 22 anymore.
07:47Like Tommy Carr may get a lot of this.
07:50Tommy Carr.
07:50Because who granddad was.
07:52And he, you know, he knows about Michigan history.
07:54So like this game would mean something to him.
07:57Mark, that was just it.
07:58Like this game meant everything.
08:01It was a big game because state players got into it.
08:04And the Michigan players, even though they wanted to get into it, downplayed it.
08:08Like, well, it's just the Spartans.
08:10You're no Ohio state until they won.
08:13And then when they won, it was the little brother comment and all of that.
08:17The, the, the, the rivalry is just not there because the players don't know.
08:22And that's, that's the sad part about it.
08:24It's just, huh?
08:26And I mean, it, it, it used to mean something because you would see a guy and you knew like,
08:32man, I was like, Mike Hart says the little, like you would have to see this guy for three, some
08:36years.
08:37Like, man, he's, he's going to be a problem and he's good.
08:40And I hate him.
08:41He's going to be a problem.
08:42I got to deal with this guy for the next few years.
08:45And I know he wasn't a highly recruited player for you guys, but he was just annoying.
08:49And he became a really good player.
08:51Dark West Denard.
08:52Yeah.
08:52That's the type of player.
08:53I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm going to have to deal with this guy every year for the next
08:58three, four years.
08:59Even as recently as Kenneth Walker though.
09:01But one year, that was one year.
09:03He was one year.
09:03He was one.
09:04No, I'm talking about like, I remember I was in the press conference when Kirk Cousins walked in there and
09:11he was so excited.
09:12And his famous phrase was, I've beaten you for four years.
09:17I can walk the streets of Michigan knowing I'm foreign.
09:21I've beaten you every year.
09:22That was another one that was annoying.
09:24That was a badge of honor for Kirk Cousins of I didn't lose to you ever take that.
09:29Well, take this.
09:30The winner of this game has the better season.
09:33Michigan State wins this game.
09:35You've had a better season than Michigan.
09:36There is nothing Michigan can do after that to have a better season than you.
09:40That is the essence of a rivalry.
09:42No.
09:43Yes.
09:44No.
09:44That is the essence.
09:45If they're 10-1 and you're 1-10 and the 1-10 team wins, they've had the better year.
09:51No, because we can still have a better, we can lose this game and still have a better season because
09:55we have our real rival at the end of the year.
09:58And see right there.
09:58That arrogance right there.
10:00There it is.
10:00I know what he's doing.
10:01There it is.
10:01But you know what, David?
10:03I'm just going to let that go right past me and I'm not swinging.
10:07I'm trying, but it's probably not going to work.
10:09But it used to be you went back and forth.
10:13It used to be we would have full, because everybody wanted to talk trash and you would have memories of
10:18all of these different games.
10:20And what about this game?
10:21And it's funny because I was asking Paul and David, will this game even have a memory?
10:28Or will the memory of this game be the game that had no memory, if that makes sense?
10:33Like you could talk, you could bring up certain things and it's not just trouble with the snap.
10:38You could bring up, you know, Braylon Edwards and most state fans will just be like, oh my God, why
10:44did we, why didn't we just stop him that game?
10:46Or you could bring up, you know, Spartan Bob.
10:49Will this game even have a story behind it?
10:52Right.
10:53Kenneth Walker.
10:54Two years from now, two years from now, will you be saying, what happened in that 2026 game?
10:59Right.
11:00That is, I mean, it's just.
11:02I know for sure Kyle Whittingham won't remember.
11:05I mean, you could even go back to, what was it, 24, 23 or 24?
11:09Yeah, they cheated.
11:10But that was it.
11:12Of all the things that has gone wrong with college football, this is number one.
11:16Thank you, Rico.
11:17You got me.
11:18Number one, this is number one.
11:20All right.
11:20Two, four, eight, five, three, nine, 97, 97.
11:23Where is the buzz, the vibe for this?
11:26And does the winner even have the right to run a little smack here?
11:30Does the winner get the right to talk trash?
11:33I like that.
11:34There we go.
11:3597, one.
