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“I’m not one for a hint,” jests Chris Rock as he explains the reality of his nonverbal learning disorder (NVLD), diagnosed in 2020. Here Rock opens up about “crawling into” therapy and how he discovered his inability to read social cues was actually NVLD: “A friend just blurted it out one day.”
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00:00You were diagnosed with a nonverbal learning disorder, if I understand correctly, which is basically that you have trouble picking
00:06up on nonverbal social cues.
00:08Yeah, yeah. I'm not one for a hint.
00:17How did you find it?
00:18You gotta tell me exactly what the fuck you want. You have to tell me exactly what the fuck you
00:27mean.
00:28Just a friend just told, just kind of blurted it one day and I don't know, you ever like somebody
00:37say something like, okay, let me get this looked into.
00:42You know, it's around, it's before Tambourine, but around that time. So I'm already like quitting porn. You know what
00:50I mean? Like I'm already like in a place where, okay, what the fuck's wrong with me?
00:56Uh, and I got, I got, what do they call that? Cognitive assessment test. And, you know, it's like eight
01:04hours of like testing to basically see, you know, it's like the kind of thing you would get if you
01:09were bipolar or something.
01:10You know what I mean? Like, so it's, it's a, it's a lot of testing and that's what they came
01:15up with.
01:15Were there things about your life that had been mysterious that made sense after this?
01:20I mean, let me say about my life, just, it made me realize how insensitive a lot of my behavior
01:29was throughout the years.
01:32Cause it's weird. It's like, um, I got, I got a friend who always says, uh, when a schizophrenic sees
01:39a famous person, they go, huh? See, told you like mental illness and celebrity.
01:49So, you know what I mean? Like it's a weird combination there. Cause you think people are reacting a certain
01:55way because of celebrity. You know what I mean? Cause it's like this weird thing that you can't quantify.
02:03So I used to just blame everything on celebrities. Like, oh, we're not connecting. Cause I'm this, you know, I
02:11had a chronic uniqueism. You know what I mean? I thought I was so fucking unique.
02:19Do you wish you had known earlier?
02:21Oh, I totally wish I had known earlier. I totally wish I had known earlier.
02:25It's funny because comedy is so perception based and you never seem to have struggled with that.
02:29Well, it's, but also like, okay, what are the symptoms? Black and white thinking. It's pretty, it's an advantageous thing
02:40to have. If you're a comedian, black and white, uh, catastrophizing. Great. You know what I mean? So, you know,
02:49like observing human behavior is such a part of it.
02:52Yeah. But yeah, but you know, the thing is people think, um, you know, when you see one of those
02:58specials, okay. The average comedian, cause I, you know, or even above average probably does 40 shows before they record
03:12a special.
03:12And maybe they did 20 club things before that. So that's 60 times on stage. My average special is over,
03:23I've gone on stage over 250 times. You know what I mean? Like, so I'm working it. I, I, yeah.
03:31It looks like I'm just, oh my God, he's got this great insight, but it's like, yo man, I'm like
03:37grinding this stuff and I'm grinding it, you know?
03:41Yeah. Also it's, um, because you, you, you, you have a, I have a hard time picking up on social
03:48cues, but I have a weirdly accurate ear.
03:52Yeah. I would say so.
03:54So I can pick up on things like in my ear and sometimes I can pick up on a cue,
04:04but I can't decipher it. I don't know what, what just happened for a week.
04:10And I'm like, oh, that's what she meant. Oh, that's what he was trying to say. Like it just, it's
04:17like a week later.
04:18It's like a week later is delayed. It's like my mind is working on the case. It just can't solve
04:23it at that moment. Does that make sense?
04:26Yes. You've also talked about doing a lot of therapy in this period of time. You put it in a
04:32way that I wanted to follow up on. There's, you did a variety interview recently and you said, I don't
04:37want to be one of those people bragging about their therapy.
04:39I crawled in there like everybody else. Nobody struts into therapy. You crawl in there on your knees, soaked from
04:46crying.
04:47Yeah.
04:48Is that really how you went in?
04:49Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, yeah, we do have this thing. Everybody's like, they, they brag
04:55about their therapy and they was like, dude.
04:59Yeah. I was like, you know, put it this way. My life wasn't, my, my personal life wasn't what I
05:06wanted it to be. And I'll, I'll leave it at that. And so, yeah, I, and that's what my relationship
05:15with everybody. So, yeah, I went in there crying like a bitch.
05:20Like what the fuck? I shouldn't be laughing. You know what I mean? Like if you, if you're doing it
05:25right, if you go in it, you know, I'm not, I'm not going in there to get to, to say
05:30I did it.
05:31Yeah. How'd you come out or did you come out?
05:33I'm not, you never come out. Yeah. You, you, you never come out. You, it's an ongoing thing. It's not,
05:40you know what I mean? Like you're always an alcoholic.
05:42Yeah.
05:43You're always, you know what I mean? Like you're always, you know, so it's, you know, it's a combination of
05:48therapy and in, in, in,
05:50what I have in VLD nonverbal learning disorder. So I have a,
05:54I have a person that helps me with that. And I have another therapist.
05:59Yeah.

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