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00:03what's up everybody welcome back to another edition of straight out of flushing dexter
00:07henry with my guy tyler ward aka wardy here with me in studio what's going on my guy sex how
00:12we
00:12doing how we feeling good man you know why all season's moving along that's true we are further
00:17away from the season that was 2026 one that i know you wouldn't forget about it's always a good
00:21it's always a good day when you're further away from the 2026 season right dex yes yes yes it is
00:26but we are getting closer to more lockout talk which doesn't make mets fans happy but we do have
00:32something to look forward to this week and i don't know if you're excited about it but that is the
00:36gm
00:37meetings as the gms will all convene in las vegas fun place for people to be hopefully nobody gets
00:43into too much trouble but they will all be there to talk baseball get an early start on free agency
00:49trades all those things that are going on so a lot going on here with the gms meetings are you
00:55excited
00:55you get excited about a lot around the mets as always but are you excited about this yeah i mean
00:59as someone who's typically known for getting very animated and really pumped up about everything
01:03regarding the club it's a much more calmer approach as we enter this offseason especially when we look
01:08at the year the mets just had obviously them being out for so long and with the uncertainty with the
01:14pending lockout not really knowing when baseball's even going to play in 2027 unfortunately i'm in this
01:19unique limbo right now where i'm excited but i also don't entirely know what to expect this is not
01:25a typical offseason for the mets or for major league baseball so for that reason too i really say to
01:30myself okay uh this could be a very exciting next 48 to 72 hours or an absolutely hush hush there's
01:36nothing going on and i think i know where it's going to be going towards but i'm excited getting
01:42the conversation today because there's a lot to talk about in regards to it okay so i'm intrigued about
01:46where this could be going because i'm like yeah i have no idea who knows it could be it could
01:50be crazy
01:50a lot of teams could want to get business done maybe the mets get business done who knows we want
01:54to
01:54see all of that but i want to start off with your boy one of your boys you know come
01:58on you knew
01:59what's coming here i'm starting off no i should actually i should have known this well and good
02:02on my commute here i should have thought about this who could be my boy today according to dexter
02:06well considering it's the gm meetings oh of course it's your boy david sterns absolutely so we got to put
02:13things in perspective we know the mets are coming off a season that you love 20 26 74 wins missed
02:19the
02:19playoffs for two straight years we all know mets fans you all know this now your boy's heading
02:24las vegas for these gm meetings and i think it would be wise for me to say and for you
02:31to acknowledge
02:32the mets have some major holes to fill going into this offseason how much pressure is david sterns
02:39under here in your eyes to get something done significantly at these gm meetings i think the
02:47pressure goes in direct hand with what is the atmosphere like what is exactly happening with
02:52everyone else right for david whether we like or not he's clearly going to operate in a fashion where
02:57if things really start to pick up around the league he's going to be in the thick of it whereas
03:01if things are quiet david's probably going to be like i'm going to stay quiet too because there's a
03:07reason why no one's really pouncing yet he has to play the market but with the assumption that
03:11this market is going to be contrary to previous gm meetings where it's actually pretty busy and
03:16there's a lot going on uh with there really likely being no winter meetings this year um i think that
03:22it's imperative that david has himself a successful next 72 hours and at minimum um really moving the
03:29needle when it comes to some of the player negotiations he has to set him up for the weeks to
03:33follow but
03:34i would be almost if not completely shocked if the mets don't make at least one move
03:39of significance over the next three days so i'm anticipating it no doubt uh but time will tell
03:44obviously with how quickly these markets shape up in a unique offseason okay one move of significance
03:50we'll use the word success what he needs for a successful gm's meeting we're going to come back
03:54to that because i find it because you know success can be defined in a bunch of different ways that
03:58we all can look at it right think about i think that there is pressure around him because the pressure
04:03is different this is not a normal gm's meeting as you explained because of the looming lockout right
04:09because of all that because he knows he has to do something now here's the thing you don't want him
04:15to do something that is rash that is ah because i have to do something i gotta make move now
04:21and it
04:21doesn't fit fit this team and you look back later and say oh did he rush into this too much
04:25i think it's going to be interesting for him to see that but he's going to have pressure the whole
04:29offseason i just think because this offseason could be very condensed in what happens between now and
04:35december 1st which is when the cba ends the current cba ends it'll be very interesting i think the
04:41pressure was always there do i think there's more pressure for him in these next 48 72 hours because
04:48the meetings are from november 10th to the 12th yeah i do yeah i agree there's gonna be some fans
04:53that are gonna be disappointed if nothing happens oh absolutely i mean there's fans that are always
04:56disappointed when things don't happen right even even last year's gm meetings if there's not a lot
05:00going on people are like oh that's kind of lame you're hoping that because the gms are getting
05:04together and they're beginning the process of negotiations with players that they think it's
05:07like a certainty that those moves will be had even in winter meetings we've seen in some years they've
05:12been very hush hush i'm trying to think a couple years ago when mlb was in nashville it was like
05:17that year especially there was like very little going on which was bizarre if i'm not mistaken so
05:22time will tell but knowing that there's an adamancy for a level of clubs out there
05:27to make a move if not multiple happen before the new cba kicks in regardless on you know mlb's latest
05:35proposal saying that oh we'll wait until 2028 to start a floor and a cap the union cares very little
05:41about because they know they're not going to agree to that obviously right now um with the exception of
05:46that all the other things we're going to basically stay the same for whatever this new agreement's going
05:50to be after the 2027 season so especially when we look at i've been emphasizing this a lot but it's
05:55going to hold true how the mets operate and how quick do they work here versus how do the dodgers
06:00look in their level of aggressiveness and being a big spender to a team like as i've famously been
06:05referencing throughout the school bowl sweepstakes what's happening with the la angels how much are
06:09they going to be involved this time around when we think of some smaller market teams that just saw
06:14the brewers won the world series does that give them a fire at all to say you know what we're
06:18not too far
06:18removed from how they operate but we're still probably a piece or two shy from getting where
06:22we want to be are we going to now go ahead and move forward or are we going to be
06:26you know we're
06:27going to take a step back because we don't know how the payout structure is going to look we have
06:31a big
06:32divide right now in major league baseball when it comes to this not only from fans to players to the
06:37owners but also we have a divide just amongst the teams itself because there has been some more to
06:43just throw this in their decks um more speculative reporting through you know industry sources or the
06:49past week you know guys like buster only among others vspn have relayed how there's around a dozen
06:54teams or so that are reluctant you know to go ahead and make big splashes if you will make big
07:00moves
07:00before the lockout begins given that uncertainty so as we look at the uncertainty that comes with this
07:06lockout and we are reminded how the mets fared obviously four years ago when they were facing the
07:12similar situation what did they do that what did they go ahead and do then decks so four years ago
07:18um they played it pretty safe from what i what i what i recall what no wait that's the that's
07:24a
07:24scherzer year right it's a scherzer year so i was thinking a year before that if that was a scherzer
07:28year they signed scherzer um they trade for justin verlander uh yeah that was what else did they do that
07:35offseason so here's here's what they did verlander was a year later year later because we had one year
07:39with sorry i tried to forget about 23 no you're fine yeah so here's what happened you have scherzer
07:45that was the big yeah big piece but you also had like the couple hours span of the mark cannes
07:52and
07:52the eduardo escobars and the sterling martes of the world oh yeah martay martay was a big signing
07:57there too yeah i forgot about can i like that mets offseason i remember except i wasn't thrilled
08:02about this i don't know how you felt about that one scherzer i was excited about but just personally
08:06i was excited as someone who hated him for as long as i did when he was with the nationals
08:10so it was kind of like you know i've i've despised facing up against this guy for so long i
08:15love the
08:15animosity he has on the mound like i want to see that in queens and for when he was healthy
08:20in 2022
08:21he was fantastic he was good um but unfortunately he crumbled in in the playoffs that i attended that
08:26you're probably there for against the padres um and you know the more we forget the better on that
08:32front but the reason why i bring this up though is because again around four years ago now was the
08:37last time that we faced a lockout at all similar to this uh the stakes are greater now because mlb
08:41is
08:41very much i want a floor and i want a cap they haven't pushed this to the same degree um
08:47publicly
08:47since the 90s when we didn't even have a world series so what's different about this one though
08:51for the mets approaches you have a david stearns who in certain ways kind of needs to approach this
08:57like how billy upler did because billy upler was a man in new position but didn't have it locked down
09:04long term because he knew what was inevitably looming would be the david stearns hire as soon
09:09as stearns was officially a free agent so that made it easier for billy to buy in for this big
09:15market owner say hey we need to go out and make big splashes like we're gonna win that window let's
09:19take advantage of the fact that this guy's just throwing money at me to go spend it right and billy
09:23did
09:23that to his credit whereas when it comes to stearns with the exception of soto because he's you know
09:29an anomaly of a circumstance the mets have really taken little advantage of cohen's ability to spend
09:34big in ways that they would like to and how they've fallen short on some runs with the dodgers
09:39especially they weren't able to get right diaz right tucker we're not complaining about those
09:43things necessarily right now but the point stands stearns has consistently fallen short and
09:48hitting that mark in the free agent market will this approach now be different will there
09:52will there be that gap finally that billy upward knew he needed to do to make sure max scherzer
09:57didn't go back to the dodgers after being traded but that's the question right because of the current
10:02collective bargaining agreement expiring on december 1st that obviously can effectively put the offseason
10:07on hold what you're actually asking here and you're comparing it to 2022 is could the urgency of
10:14working the mets favor but to me all that depends on david stearns is he going to be more cautious
10:21right or is he going to be about making those big moves kind of like epler was in 2022 his
10:28mo has
10:28always been a little bit more cautious particularly in milwaukee and i know you'll be like this with me
10:32the same milwaukee right right but what do you think the urgency can actually help david stearns here
10:38because that's when i hear you say all that i'm like well will the urgency work in his favor or
10:41do
10:41you think it'll just be like he'll be like no no there's too much uncertainty here so i'm going to
10:45be
10:45more cautious yeah i mean he's he's he's either going to break or he's going to step up to the
10:49moment
10:50finally that's what i mean this is a pressure situation for david that he hasn't had the same
10:53degree at least from what we know publicly you know entering an offseason this can very well be
10:58david's final year as president of the organization if he does not hit the mark big time this offseason
11:04and how he not only further built the coaching staff with andy green but also obviously in building
11:08this roster so when we think about the types of players that should be coming to flushing queens
11:12uh how we were going about player valuation prior especially guys from smaller markets how much of
11:19that has worked versus not this far with stearns the bad has outweighed the good let's bear that in
11:24mind as we approach this offseason right and the aggressiveness that comes along with it i'm excited
11:28though because i think one way or another david knows that the pressure is on and there's a pressure
11:32on across the league to make moves happen here before we get to that deadline so one way or another
11:38we're going to find out real fast including derek falvey's influence here as to just how aggressive
11:43this mets team will be from the jump i think he can't he can't be cautious here not not with
11:49the
11:49way this could be very condensed in some ways i love your comp to epler in 2022 um you got
11:58a strike
11:59to me now you have to strike smartly i and that's all it's a gamble with anything with free
12:04and see with trades you don't know until the games are played till the guys get on the field
12:08but he can't sit back he has to be aggressive right now back in 22 i love the marty deal
12:15i like the
12:16canna deal um i did not love the scherzer deal because of his age and you're right it worked out
12:20for a season and then it did not um but if you can go get a guy whoever that is
12:26and most people
12:27probably know we're talking about scuba i'm about to get to that in a second you got to go get
12:30him
12:30you got to be aggressive i think the caution that we've seen from david stearns not now not not if
12:37they're not making the playoffs for two seasons right you that's a factor in this too that combined
12:42the condensed timeline that we're working with here through november to december 1st it's just
12:47not going to work you got to go out and make a move now with scuba we discussed scuba last
12:52week
12:53but with the g meetings here now dodgers said they're trying to keep him speaking of aggressive
13:01or cautious how aggressively should the mets pursue scuba this week especially as boris boris wants
13:07to play the market there is agent agent for tarik scuba you know he wants to play he's absolutely the
13:13best pitcher on the market how aggressive should they be trying to get him this week and is this
13:18the kind of player you're looking at like look the mets you can't let this guy walk you can't let
13:21him go someplace else you have to bring him in you got to reel in the big fish i do
13:26need to be
13:27aggressive this week you might say they need to be aggressive throughout the whole month but i'm just
13:30talking about this week you got you got g meetings you sit down with scuba boris you get on the
13:34phone
13:35you're looking at like yo you got to get this done this week how do you look at it yeah
13:39i mean being
13:40aggressive and getting something done two different things but i agree with you on the being aggressive
13:44part because whether or not that leads to scuba signing within the next number of days or if this
13:48doesn't go until all the way right before the lockout uh you know as my outfit for this
13:54halloween ricky bobby would famously say if you're not first you're last and david sterns needs to make
13:58sure that he's first in his pursuit of tarik scuba here okay because if he does decide to sit on
14:03his
14:03hands a bit and be rather complacent and approaching this like any other player he will find himself in
14:08last because he will not be doing enough to separate himself from the rest of the pack and that's
14:12the most important thing when we talk about scuba and the mets approach for him you know i've been
14:16being this drum constantly on my platform i said it here you agree with it it's the following what do
14:21the
14:21mets have to sell to tarik scuba in ways that the daughters don't it's essentially everything
14:28it's from location as scuba is an arizona native and could have spring training each year right
14:33around the corner with his family instead of being in st lucie with the mets it's also track record
14:37which the mets literally have none of um the only thing the mets have to flex is a unbelievably wealthy
14:43owner who has an adamancy to bring a championship back to queens and is clearly putting forth the
14:48continued effort there hospitality is great mets are doing very good in their player development
14:52we've seen over the past couple years under sterns and green and green and gross which they deserve
14:56credit for but that it's apples and oranges when you look what the daughters are and as someone who
15:01just got a taste of la right before the season ended just like how scherzer was years ago with
15:06turner when he got dealt from dc to la so again what about the mets pursuit of scherzer is what
15:12made him
15:12a new york med it wasn't the track record it wasn't the location it was none of that it was
15:17quite
15:17literally making max scherzer the highest paid pitcher in major league baseball history on the
15:21average annual value and that will always trump all so for the mets here it's not just about being
15:26first but it's really about setting a gap to the next closest spender and whether they can actually
15:31do that or not is to be determined because maybe the daughters will be relentless and go as far as
15:37the
15:37mets are or maybe the angels are going to be absolutely scorched shirt in ways that we just are like
15:42all right like we're just going to go tit for tat we're going to see basically who you want in
15:46the end
15:46um either way uh the mets are in a position here where they have to do such a great greater
15:52selling
15:52job than some other contending teams going after school ball and that can't be lost in their pursuit
15:58in ways that without being a fly on the wall in those negotiations the past offseason or two
16:02one does have to wonder how much turns maybe didn't emphasize that enough in the process because he was
16:09maybe a little too complacent on operating in his way and not the way he needs to given the market
16:14he's in
16:14and i like that you brought that up because that makes me then think about the fact that we heard
16:18steve cohen say he wanted more voices in the mets front office right you don't just say that for
16:24nothing right and then to to his credit we've seen more voices come in right so we've seen derrick
16:29falvey um you know that he's on board you know with andy green they're expected to have more influence
16:35here at the major league level something we're expecting to see the question for me though is and i think
16:40particularly if something gets done this week or something doesn't get done this week
16:43i think a lot of mets fans are going to say okay well will those changes actually push david stearns
16:49to approach roster construction differently than we've seen the last couple of years or is this
16:55still going to be his show when i say those changes i mean those guys coming in their voices their
16:59impact
17:00will that change anything for him for me i hope so i hope it is a little more collaborative because
17:06it seems like it hasn't been that just because he hasn't had other voices to necessarily push him
17:10where somebody might say hey you might be hesitant on this like you just talked about you might be
17:16hesitant on going to get tarik school no no no no you got to push more because of what you
17:21just said
17:22the mets are the mets sometimes you got to know who you are okay the mets don't have the championship
17:27legacy to sell they're not the dodgers they're not the yankees i know mets fans don't want here you got
17:31to know who you are they don't have that so sometimes all you got to sell is we got daddy
17:36warbucks here
17:37and he could he could give a lot of money and make you the highest paid pitcher and we'll come
17:43we're
17:44trying to build something here we got soto in here we got you in here we treat our players good
17:47you got
17:48to go with that but you might you might have to be a little bit more aggressive with your approach
17:53for
17:53the money to get a free agent than you normally comfortably willing to go especially sterns who's
17:57have the stubbornness to want to do it for a guy in his in his age group right now you
18:01know for
18:02yamamoto is a beautiful exception given him 26 yeah he's entering like his age 25 season at the time
18:06or whatever whereas you know it's school entering his age 30 season next year you know you're buying
18:11into the second half of his career that's likely going to be injury riddle just like any other
18:15pitcher as they get older as someone who's already dealt with ailment but the way he throws it's
18:19inevitable that he's obviously going to deal with things as time goes on so for the mets here does
18:23the reward outweigh the risk and for david sterns who famously missed the mark terribly this past
18:30off season and evaluating those exact things i think he would be the first to tell you that school
18:35bulls reward does outweigh the risk when you have three consecutive years of being a five to north of
18:41seven war per fan graphs player and all baseball you know having that type of immediate impact
18:47and your rotation would be monumental and from not only the talent he brings on the field worth him and
18:52soto collectively adding 10 if not you know 12 plus wins to the mets each year which from two
18:58players is massive but as long as it doesn't hinder the mets from making other proper moves
19:02this isn't even something that should be debated in my opinion i'm on mets fans quite frankly
19:06i i i as a matter of fact i will go out as far as to say that if there's
19:11any mets fan out there
19:11that's opposing the scoogle if you are given a certainty that acquiring him will not hinder the mets
19:19from still operating in a big market fashion each year no i i don't i don't really know what
19:24else to say to you you know like i completely understand the argument and this was like a
19:28walponsian approach where it's like they're gonna make one big splash and then they literally will do
19:33nothing for the next decade but no this is just the latest off season where there's a top talent out
19:37there that fits the mets window for trying to win well so that's the thing that's what it comes down
19:43to it's the window and are you trying to win or not you haven't made the playoffs in two years
19:49the goal is to try to win you have to go what was the last time they made playoffs back
19:54-to-back years
19:55oh yeah a decade ago what was the last time that they actually got beyond the first round in back
20:00-to-back
20:00years what we're going back 2006 no not even because 2007 and 2008 they didn't make the play
20:07oh my god that's true this is before i was alive then you're talking this is before i was alive
20:11dex yeah you're talking this is older than that teddy bear that you brought in you're talking 2000
20:15and not down to that 99 and 2000 99 and made the nlcs 2000 no sorry excuse me 2000 and
20:242001 you see
20:25you see how low the bar is for this organization to have any type of stability with being just a
20:30good
20:30team not even a great team dex a good team okay so in order to become a good team you've
20:35got to add
20:36good players especially when you have a good surrounding cast and the mets for the rotation
20:40they're in a great position with that right now with mcclain with thornton with scott and that's part
20:45of the cell of course and the eventual tons and santucci's and wenegra's of the world they're here
20:51these are all things to help buy in but again as fantastic as mcclain is and as good as thornton
20:57scott may continue to be one thing is certain is that you don't have that type of soto in your
21:03rotation the way that scoobal does i think mcclain will get there i mean the guy had an amazing year
21:08as is for the mets but you know there's going to be natural ups and downs that come with a
21:13young
21:13starter like him in this market and for school if he can handle this market think about just the
21:18the fantastic way he's going to have an influence on not only these young guys but on future player
21:23pursuits because think about all the young players are influenced by soto being here imagine how it'll
21:29be with school being here especially if he wins at least one scion in the mets uniform i love that
21:33point the reason i love that point is i love that you bring up the fact about soto's impact and
21:39i've
21:39been talking about this as we we got close to the offseason now in the offseason this mets rotation
21:44needs somebody that can anchor at the top that comes into the high level not just has a talent
21:49and can throw the ball warty but can also show other guys how to do it right that stuff matters
21:55that's the thing we don't talk about with wansato wansato is amazing talent at the plate we know his eye
21:59we know everything that he can do but he shows a level of professionalism in the way he approaches
22:04the game every day that stuff matters when you're clubhouse that stuff matters when you're building your
22:08team right so if you get a tarik scoobal in the door oh now nolan mcclain who we think is
22:13dope and is
22:14immensely talented he's now seeing what it takes to be an ace so that as tarik scoobal is going on
22:20the downside of his career he might be able to take over there and you're like oh they're really good
22:25having that kind of leadership matters i'm so glad you brought up leadership because you have to have
22:30that in here it's not just the talent it's about how guys approach the game every day right and seeing
22:36that level it this app this is matters in all lines of work you need to see professionals
22:40being professionals you need to see people at the top of their craft do what they're doing to show
22:44you how it's done and so i think that if that can happen for the mets that's also part of
22:48why
22:48you got to go all in that's why you have to try to blow out the competition out the water
22:53now some
22:53people may say as you were kind of alluding to well dex and warty i don't want the mets to
22:59look
22:59desperate you're the mets you're gonna be a little desperate beggars can't be choosers
23:04come on you're gonna be a little desperate of course we're a little desperate you don't want
23:09to be wild with your desperation out in these free agent streets that's not what you want in your
23:14free agent streets right but what you want to do what you want to do is you want to you
23:21want to try
23:21to set the mark and show that you're serious right right you and i we had this analogy early in
23:26the
23:26season you brought up to me you're like hey this is like when you're dating you're courting somebody i
23:30forgot what exactly we're talking about and you're like yo maybe it wasn't you might have been
23:34actually andrew claudio who's on that either way it's a great that's fine but the point was
23:39you got to show something right you got to show something to land the person you're trying to be
23:43with you can't just come like oh you know what i might do that's not gonna work here right you're
23:50trying to get scuba you're trying to get married here you need to be assertive you need it yes you
23:55need to make it clear exactly what your intentions are from the get-go there's no games to be played
24:00okay there's no little back and forth on the phone for a little bit of make question to make them
24:03guess maybe you're leaving the message open no you do none of that are you you do not leave
24:08terry school's message on open okay you go ahead and say how much how much you want all right are
24:13you going to take it and run like yamamoto did and match with the daughters let us know but you
24:19appreciate it the point is you got to make him think you got to make a decision now can you
24:23do that
24:24this week maybe should be able to you should be aggressive you're going to be right um i want to
24:30back to your boy stearns real quick for a second oh of course me and david go way back he
24:34knows
24:34right yeah i think this part matters too when we talk about stearns and you and i have talked about
24:39this i don't maybe if we talked on here off here but you know you look at stearns you see
24:43like okay
24:43the brewers just won the world series with several players several players that david stearns had
24:49influence in organization exactly yeah you saw this happen so i think there's a way you can look at that
24:55and with the brewers success and what they've had right and say clearly he knows how to build a
25:00winner a sustainable winner i also want to man because i want to give credit to the brewers on
25:03that the brewers have been building toward this this has been sustainable they've been a great team
25:08in the national league for multiple years i think the big question i'm sure it's your question for
25:12your boy too if you were sitting right here you would ask him this you're like yo what's up
25:15why is this not translated with the mets i've seen you build a sustainable winner in a smaller
25:21market i know he didn't he left he's not there anymore but he was part of it right why is
25:26the
25:26same approach not worked with the mets especially considering you got an owner who i just called
25:31daddy warbucks here who's got all the money that's got to be the question it's like yo you were able
25:36to make this cook over here why can't you make it cook here and maybe we got to wonder you
25:40always
25:40talk about market is david stearns built for the pressure of new york and i think the simple answer
25:46that is so far no it's it's not it's not a personal side against him whatsoever it's just a
25:51matter of fact in evaluating how he has fared as president at this point and uh talk about not
25:55hitting on your roi that's something that sadly steve cohen continues to invest in with the new york
26:00mets i mean it's just been egregious and when you ask the question what about stearns's approach
26:05with the brewers why is it not working now and this is a thing that has so many layers as
26:11to what the
26:12answer is but you know in simple terms it's this was something that wasn't built overnight in the
26:17sense of rome being the brewers finally winning the championship right think about how long it took
26:21them to get there and think about how long that they stayed in a system in a way of thinking
26:25and
26:26developing talents consistently to finally get over the hump the way that they did right because
26:30they didn't do this nearly as much on spending the free agent market they did this mainly on
26:34fantastic player development and scouting over the years so for the mets here david stearns adopts his
26:40team that was not his team so we need to remember that there was all these layers of from making
26:47it
26:47more of his club as years have went on with partying ways with veterans who had been here and building
26:52up
26:53his club and also just completely missing the mark on handling this market to your point he's used to
26:58having the mentality that he had in milwaukee and you would think that someone getting paid the millions
27:02of dollars that he does each year knowing as a mets fan from manhattan you would think that he would
27:06have had had greater foresight on this and how to approach it sadly um that that wasn't the reality
27:12that we found ourselves in and that's why david right now looks like while he's under contract a couple
27:16years this will be the final year of david stearns as president and the organization if the mets do not
27:21have a successful 2027 that that goes without saying it and there's a confidence there because while steve
27:27cohen obviously doesn't want there to be continued turmoil he knows that this is a market that expects to
27:32win and he came in here giving us that great expectation and i will be shocked genuinely
27:38if cohen approaches this the way that steinbrunner has with cashman and with boone where if we just
27:45find ourselves good that that's going to be fine to continue to run it back i don't think that's
27:50going to happen if david stearns has another failed off season the mets find themselves not even the
27:55playoff window whenever the 2027 season comes around so that's yeah that's not happening and and the
28:00for sure the big thing is even steve cohen i have to look at that and say i know who
28:04we are right and
28:05that is we would cashman on the yankees who knows the metro but with the yankees he's won you could
28:12say aaron boone has it and that's fine and then yankee fan will tell you that but like there's still
28:16that there's a championship pedigree there there is a getting to world series there smet's team hasn't
28:21done this even under this is true so i think i'm with you on this i think steve cohen knows
28:26this
28:26i think we've talked at nauseam about how big of how big of an off season this is and big
28:31next
28:31season is for the mets as it's a real big season for the organization just overall not just david
28:36stearns it is a big season for off season off season and season for the organization and to me
28:41because of the condensed nature of what could happen with this lockout this is a huge three days this is
28:48a huge 72 hours i get it guys most gm meetings are not this big it doesn't matter that much
28:52but here
28:53yeah it matters so with that being said gm meetings wrap up on thursday and i'm sure we're
29:00going to talk after this i know we will what would you need to see here both in order to
29:09feel confident
29:10that david stearns is moving the mets in the right direction even if they haven't made a major move
29:16because i'm sure there's a way you could still come out of the gm meetings if morty if they haven't
29:20made a major move where you're still like okay i still feel kind of good about the way things are
29:25moving what is what does that look like for you yeah i mean to answer that question it really goes
29:29in hand a lot with what's happening around them as i said you know if the mets are in the
29:33spot where
29:34we go 72 hours from now we're talking dexter next episode about how the mets sat on their hands and
29:39did nothing but that's really because it actually ended up being a very quiet gm meetings contrary to
29:43what we initially were thinking that's like okay heard you um was it really busy but were they
29:49players that the mets really didn't need that very well could be the case you know mets fans we will
29:53of course be quick to react and be pitchforks in one hand and firing another at stearns for being
29:59like why didn't you sign so and so just because a market starts moving even if they are players i
30:04don't really make logical sense here you know and there's a lot of players in this fraser market that
30:08transparently i think the mets are more than fine without so i don't think that this is a year where
30:13we need to be kicking and screaming and crying because we're not kicking tires on everything under the sun
30:17so for me what i'm hoping to see over the next 72 hours is that the mets do make one
30:22move of
30:23significance as i mentioned but if they do not do that then my hope is that we came out of
30:28it
30:28having a greater idea as to not only what the mets are pursuing but some more clarity as to the
30:33players
30:34that they're connected to and also in some other areas it'd be cool there's some reporting that leaves
30:39gray area we're like we're hearing things about the mets but like we really don't know because there
30:44have been some moves in recent years under stearns um for better or for worse more so worse than
30:48better sadly of ones that you really didn't hear about much you know bo bo happened like that you
30:54know and talk about at the inception of the show dex you mentioned you know making moves for the sake
30:58of making moves yeah one could argue that that somewhat falls in that category of boba shed because
31:04steve cohen said we have to make a big splash here after missing out on tucker after of course
31:09letting alonzo to walk we have to get a bat that can be top three or top four in order
31:13so even if
31:14it didn't make sense from a defensive standpoint which is what david stearns was beating that drum
31:19so far so long about uh the mets still went ahead and did it um and they're not benefiting from
31:25a
31:25financial standpoint with it right now i'm sure that they like bo but i'm sure they'll also be the
31:30first to tell you that they would have been more than fine with bo if he opted out and did
31:35not opt
31:35in for 42 million dollars for next season with a 700 ops you know what i mean so um currently
31:41if
31:41the mets made that sign in this for agent class we would say like we knew we need to overpay
31:46for a guy
31:48that's egregious but is it going to stop the mets from making other good moves that's all i care
31:53about and knowing he's not even on a long-term deal is why i'm not like hung up on it
31:58the way that
31:58some other fans are yeah i think that's why i think a lot of it is because that's still a
32:02good deal
32:03for the mets in the short term it was good for both sides sometimes it happens like that which
32:08you probably like based on last year's you said with a 700 ops to possibly playing be paying bo
32:13bichette a little bit less sure and will they be doing that this time around too are they going
32:16to make another move that either from falling through on school or you know just being a bit
32:21creative and opportunistic if you will in ways that we aren't currently seeing right and then you go
32:26ahead and see them make a big spot you're like oh this is very random but i'm i'm down yo
32:30you know
32:31like that'd be fun but think that'd be a lot of fun about how you felt the week of the
32:34bo bichette
32:34signing because they signed him and then they make the trade for louise robert jr and you're kind of
32:39like okay i see how this is oh yeah it was definitely a pick me up after like literally falling
32:44out on
32:44tucker and and everything prior because i think diaz and tucker weren't far removed from one another
32:49i think it was like four or five days yeah so i was like we were having a week from
32:53hell between
32:53that and alonzo i was like okay yeah you know we can you can you can work with this i
32:58think for me
33:00to try to answer the question i asked you because i think you thought about it fairly reasonably and
33:06not everybody's gonna be as reasonable on this is if they come out of this and you're hearing that
33:13they've had meetings and conversations and are talking or one of my favorite words of this season
33:19progressing towards a deal right which is where fans get a little excited and you're hearing with
33:26multiple players they've got their hands in a couple of things i feel like that's a job well
33:31done at the gm meetings that's saying if they don't get somebody right like i would still feel
33:35like that's good i always tell you it's a lying season you got to be careful about what's out there
33:41who's putting that out there but i think if you're hearing from reputable sources that this is what's
33:49going on then i think you come out of it feeling good so i'm really intrigued on friday
33:53when we talk again how we're gonna feel coming out of this because we could feel very differently
33:58we could be on a super super high or you super low or we could be exactly right here right
34:04now i'd be
34:04like all right no we're fine it was quiet the whole time nothing changed really for anyone or you know
34:09like a couple teams made big moves but the moves that they made were big for them but not big
34:13like
34:13as it would have been for the mess i like that you said that because i think sometimes people have
34:16to
34:16look at that when you're evaluating team moves just because something worked for somebody else
34:19doesn't mean that you missed out on the thing for you i mean it's also personally too in life but
34:23for teams right let's say the cardinals do something i'm just throwing them as an example
34:28they make some moves and you're like i like those moves cardinals usually good organization they make
34:31some good moves but that doesn't mean that would have been good for the mets right it doesn't mean
34:35that it's a failure by david stearns because he didn't get that i think we got to let the process
34:38play out and while we're talking about the gm meetings the process is going to be more than these
34:44next three days do i think these next three days are big yes because it can be big for what
34:47the
34:47mets can establish but it's not the end all be all here right and i think that's a good way
34:52of
34:52putting it if if the lockout started in 72 hours and yeah kind of is the end all you know
34:56you know
34:57we don't really have much time to waste here but that isn't the case so with that being said dex
35:01you
35:02know i think that's that's a beautiful way of kind of putting a wrap on it when we look at
35:05what's
35:05ahead for these gm meetings but before we kind of let everyone know um what is the next year for
35:10straight out flushing for a next episode because i think we can just relay more of what we're just
35:15talking about we'll go over the results and stuff like this yes are any final words that you like
35:19to share yeah i do and i do if i do if this is a couple couple things i have
35:22for you sure very
35:23quickly let's say this if you had the power because this is a lot of power i'm about to give
35:28you
35:28right here you guarantee that the mets complete one move before potential lockout just one
35:34significant move what would it be a significant significant move all right yeah because that's the
35:40only thing that's gonna get the fan base excited they want a significant move right okay what would
35:44that move be and why is it the most important thing you think the mets have to get done
35:51i was on board when you're saying move but significant changes the playing field a bit because i can't sit
35:56here and say you know when the mets inevitably sign an infielder to majorly contract the next two days
36:01you know but someone is that not going to really move the needle too much or anything i'm going to
36:05say
36:05to you if that person is uh replacing marcus simian i think some people will consider that
36:10that's true yeah that that is fair you know but having said that though i think i could definitely
36:16see a world where the mets bring in again someone that is not a massive needle mover for either the
36:21infield or outfield that they acquire um i think the infield market's going to be interesting how that
36:26shapes up because the outfield might drag a bit even as we get post lockout depending on how things are
36:31going to configure his outfielders a lot of times especially the like fourth outfielder types they might not
36:35need to sign really until right before the season starts so significance you know the mets are all
36:40in on the pitching right now so i would look and say that the biggest move that we could see
36:44them
36:44making is obviously something in the pitching department um my heart wants it to be a big
36:49signing of a starter but my gut is telling me that the mets acquire a reliever but i i really
36:56don't know
36:57yeah a reliever move could be significant if it's a you know front line back into the bullpen guy that's
37:04gonna like is is adrian morihone good enough for the new york mets to say you know what we are
37:10going
37:10to cough up what it takes to acquire him which is of course you know multiple draft picks in the
37:16stance and they also give up i believe a million dollars and they're signing a bonus pool for the
37:21ifa uh which is not great but morihone because he has a qualifying offer attached you'd have to do that
37:26i mean i think i think he's a unique exception of someone that you should do that for especially at
37:31his age he's only entering his age 27 28 seasons so you can still buy in on his prime years
37:36the next
37:36four or five years and you know get a really dominant lefty and listen i don't know if the
37:41mets would do it i'm sure they have a level of an appetite to do it especially they don't bring
37:46in
37:46school but there's a lot of speculation as to can adrian morihone be the next big arm to transition to
37:53a starter he was a starter in his early years with the padres in his early 20s didn't look all
37:58that
37:58great but he was in his early 20s and he hasn't touched in like five six years now i i
38:03don't think
38:03i hate the idea of maybe giving that a second go around especially for a guy who pitched what 80
38:07innings last year at least if not 90 so he's up there you know he's very much at michael king's
38:12first sample as a yankee going from a reliever to a starter was around 90 innings or so if not
38:18100
38:18in his final year in the bronx and obviously he had the success that he did mets aren't foreign or
38:23you know unfamiliar with transitioning you know pitchers to such degree so i'm curious because
38:29i think either way he'd be a beautiful fit for their bullpen or you know someone that if they
38:33do want to stretch as a starter profile um could have major upside if he actually is able to buy
38:39in the way that we got clay holmes to buy it yeah obviously that would be tarik skuble but i
38:43think
38:43that would be a major move i think there's some the reason i asked that question i think there's room
38:46for significant moves and you mentioned the infield because i think for a lot of fans anybody but
38:51jorge polanco yeah marcus simian is going to be significant for them and so i understand that
38:56too and i think that could be good before we go could we just do a quick game of deal
39:01or no deal
39:02oh of course yes oh i apologize you mentioned this earlier it was fine we've been locked in all right
39:07we're just gonna we're just gonna it's gonna be real quick people we're just gonna say this name or
39:12or thing that could happen and we're gonna say deal are you gonna give me a car are you gonna
39:15give me
39:15a contract with them or just the name just the name just what happens and it's gonna be like will
39:19this
39:19happen by the time the gm meetings end oh okay just to put it all okay all right met sign
39:26tarik
39:26skuble deal or no deal by the end of the gm meetings by the end of the gm meetings no
39:31deal
39:31they do not sign tarik skuble but the asterisk is no one does i'm agreeing with you on that i
39:37don't
39:37think tarik skuble signs by the end of gm meetings i'm going no deal on that one too for the
39:41same i don't
39:41think anybody signs tarik skuble but energy meetings because his agent is who his agent is that's
39:45and if he and if he does sign then okay then we'll see we'll see what happens if we're i
39:49mean
39:50i hope i'm wrong but right for the mets fans out there i hope i'm wrong not that he signs
39:55with
39:55somebody else mets acquire another veteran starter deal or no deal mets acquire another veteran starter
40:03by the end of gm meetings yes that is not tarik skuble that is not tarik skuble should be clear
40:08on
40:08that as long as as long as the market is playing up and it's busy deal going deal i'm going
40:16deal all
40:17right so deal on this i am going to say
40:23no deal go no deal on this because i don't know if that starter is going to be a free
40:28agent i don't
40:29know if that starter is someone via trade i said acquires it could be either one but i do think
40:33that
40:33there's a world that especially before the lockout the mets not only land a starter but i think that
40:38they inevitably land someone that might be more their middle back end profile regardless of what
40:43happens with tarik so if it's a hot market the next couple days it's definitely possible i think the
40:50pitching i have a feeling the pitching market's not going to be as hot the next couple of days maybe
40:53that's that's my assumption going okay interesting i think i don't i'm not sure at least well at least
40:58for maybe somebody in the higher front end of a pitching rotation right i'm not sure if and there's
41:04a drop off between school and you're talking about michael king and clay home there's a drop off there
41:09but i'm going to say no okay okay mets add a new first baseman deal or no deal by the
41:15end of gm
41:16meetings oh because i want it yes that and if we're following along with what's being reported
41:25tie france's market is moving really fast i'm not saying he's going to land with the mets because
41:30there's a great reality that he doesn't but if that market's moving fast that means the other
41:34dominoes in that market will be following suit not long after and it's not a deep market and the
41:39trade market regarding first baseman is a massive question mark you know could a guy like benny
41:43pass continuo be traded from the royals you know that's that's a fun thought process among some others
41:46so we will find these things out in due time but i do think there will be a first baseman
41:51at least
41:51coming off the board in the next couple days yeah this is the one where i'm going deal
41:54i i think that the mets add a new first baseman here i don't know if it's going to be
41:59the sexiest
42:00name that people want but i do think they could could be a tie france i do think somebody that
42:03fits that profile that could be a bridge at that position there is not a young guy that the mets
42:08are
42:08enamored with coming up through the farm system we've talked about that ryan clifford high strikeout
42:12rate all that stuff there i'm going deal on this i feel like this is maybe the most one of
42:16the more
42:17likely deals for the mets here at the winter meetings depending on how those markets unfold and a guy
42:22like a tie france i'm kind of banking on you don't know the uncertainty you're kind of in that middle
42:27tier ish of free agents in terms of pay they those guys like to get a deal done quick before
42:32this lock
42:32out comes oh for sure and i think we're going to see an adamancy behind many players wanting to get
42:37a deal done before the lockout ends because not just the uncertainty but it's more so an issue and
42:43we'll get into this when we talk on my platform as well but you know when you have a lockout
42:46that
42:47say stretches until at minimum may or even june yeah you know that's a really tough thing for
42:54players themselves to get acclimated and to have the uncertainty of not even knowing where they're
42:59playing yet and a shortened season point when they might have a lot on the line maybe they have to
43:04go
43:04again for another you know bridge contract to really try to hit the market again the way that
43:08they want like there's a lot more added pressure there so you know i think of chris bryant especially
43:13when i think about him signing with the colorado rockies and i was during that you know that that
43:17lockout off season and there was an emphasis and a pressure he felt um as a scott boris client from
43:24my understanding of someone who just felt like he had to pull the trigger on this especially given
43:30the timing of everything it's funny he thought he was going to be met when he got taxed like early
43:34in
43:34that day and ultimately thankfully that didn't happen that would have been up there with the worst moves
43:39in mets history actually insane so that's a that was such a big chris bryant guy too
43:44there's been we've been wrong with some things before just a few mets make a major trade
43:48mets make a major trade by the end of meetings oh that'd be so fun i would love for them
43:53to make
43:54a major trade by the end meetings and sterns has been unique in early offseason trades it isn't
44:00foreign to him um i'm going to say yes because i think that there's more logic behind that than
44:06actually some of the other things that you've asked me so far i think if i think if we're basing
44:10anything off of if sterns is going to act similar and just the way that he approaches some off seasons
44:15if not completely the opposite um he has made early trades in recent years for the mets not overly big
44:22moves each time but he's made early moves so this one is interesting to me because i'm kind of on
44:26the
44:26fence about it but this could also tie into how they get a first baseman right especially say ty france
44:31doesn't sign with them after maybe they presume heavily or something like there's going to be a pivot
44:35and that's where that's where i'm leaning deal i'm okay i'm going to say deal here okay because
44:40i wonder if in some of the other things whether it's we talk all the things i mentioned before
44:43another veteran starter tarik skuble met to add a new first baseman what if the pivot to get one of
44:48those things is with a deal i feel like there's going to be a pathway and i think sterns is
44:52actually
44:52probably more likely and comfortable to explore that kind of pathway going through a deal now how much
44:57will he be willing to give up for certain kind of players that's going to be an interesting thing
45:00right but i do think it's a pathway that people maybe won't focus on or the market might bear that
45:06people are just so focused on the free agents at these times that want to sign but can you get
45:09somebody as cost controlled that can help your team particularly that you feel like you can have
45:14for a couple of years that could be a major trade so i'm going to go deal on this one
45:17too last one
45:18we got mets add an established high leverage reliever at by the end of the gm meetings deal
45:26or no deal yeah i mean that was in that that was in my thought process going back to when
45:32i was
45:32talking about more home so yeah i have to yeah i'm gonna see i'm gonna see yeah i'm going to
45:36deal
45:36on everything unfortunately because i know only one is probably gonna have what you did was not
45:40school you said no yeah the only thing i said not school i i think it all is in hand
45:45with the market
45:45guys so if you if you're going to come back at this in three days and be like how already
45:49see
45:49you're wrong again i'm like yeah if nothing else happened around completely understand but if there's
45:55a lot of traction happening around and stearns wasn't one of those then yeah throw pie in my face
46:00all you want that's fine uh it's that this mark see this could this is it's interesting i can be
46:06wrong
46:06i can be say i'm gonna say no deal on this but i can still end up being right because
46:10it could be a
46:11trade that comes and you get that high high leverage reliever right it's possible
46:14so i i don't i think if they get a high leverage reliever it's probably going to come that way
46:20through the trade i'm not sure it'll come via signing i'm gonna say no deal on this but
46:26i don't i'm gonna go with i think the mets make a trade here and they also land the first
46:31baseman
46:31that's maybe two both of those things happen and the more i think about it too there there's a good
46:36reality that maybe they don't get an established reliever for a bit until closer to lockout because
46:40i'm thinking that more hone needs to happen by say that time when that doesn't need to be the case
46:46so and that's why i lean to no deal that's fair i'm probably i would if i switch i would
46:50probably
46:50flip it no deal as well that's fine you got a flip-flopper you're allowed to change your mind
46:54you have new information yeah exactly it's okay it's fine all right we just played a quick game of
46:58deal and no deal we will see how that all plays out match gm meetings are here let us know
47:02in the
47:02comments what you think do you think the mets make some moves will it be quiet i know some of
47:05y'all
47:05will be mad if it is quiet uh me included i want to see some news i'm bored i agree
47:10with what you
47:10said you have to take note of everything that's happening at these meetings and not just jump to
47:16the conclusion quickly so we'll see what happens that's gonna do it for this edition of straight
47:20out of flushing enjoy the gm meetings we will have if there's any news that breaks any updates
47:24we're going to be on top of it here on straight out of flushing we will have a lot to
47:27talk about
47:28that is my boy see i i'm not gonna just put i'm not gonna put a sterns on you man
47:34oh thank goodness that's my boy tyler ward aka shout out you dex we appreciate you
47:38no problem man see i gotta come back and give you some love there we go i gotta do that
47:41that's my
47:42guy tyler ward aka wardy i'm dex and we'll catch you next time on another edition of straight out of
47:46fleshing peace
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