00:00we bring in super friend to the show northeast ohio native uh baseball today nfl network all
00:06good things he is chris rose and he's on the wise art right we make a right call call right
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00:10hi chris how are you chris hello gentlemen how's life life is fine i hope you guys are doing well
00:19yes us we hope you are too as you get ready for the holidays here my friend speaking of the
00:23holidays so cordial chris there is no holiday from talking about the browns quarterback situation
00:29um nice do you think that they are walking down the right path uh with the quarterback situation
00:35right now i mean i would have started chador but i i'm not going to get up here and kick
00:41and scream
00:42like some people oh my god like i felt like i was watching the same game on sunday it's just
00:50how they
00:50did it was a little different no i mean it's funny because we said the same thing yep yeah the
00:55first
00:55three quarters the offense was offensive it just wasn't good and we can say whatever it is the
01:01quarterback didn't play great there's no running game for the most part the offensive line got toasted
01:08for a second straight week like we can say all of that stuff and then in the fourth quarter
01:13something happened and it was fun to watch and you know chador did it a bit differently than
01:20then deshawn has done it right chador threw the ball downfield which was awesome to a couple of
01:26rookies um and then made a couple of amazing plays in the game time drive that was hopefully going to
01:36win it for us in overtime uh deshawn has done it more with his legs uh keeping plays alive um
01:43and hitting some good passes along the way but it's just you know i i felt like i was watching
01:50the same thing just different guys in a little bit different mo agreed you you said chador if this
01:59team was two and seven i think that would be the case do you think todd thinks right now deshawn
02:05still gives them a better chance to win because at five and four you still have a chance at the
02:09playoffs
02:10is that what this is is that what this is about chris you think i i don't know i can't
02:14answer that
02:15question because like the one thing we always talk about whether it's assessing the quarterbacks
02:22during otas during training camp uh you know making you know back when we were trying to figure out who
02:29the starting quarterback should be the stuff we're not privy to is the stuff that probably makes the
02:35decision in the end right yeah the understanding of the offense what is going on i mean i guess
02:41you can drive yourself nuts trying to figure all this out right as a fan and i'm not talking about
02:47the stupid social media comments with people who have agendas one way or another with the whole
02:52chador thing i'm talking about people credible people in this business with whom i've worked like i
02:57watched kurt warner's breakdown last night i watched chase daniels breakdown last night two guys who
03:02played the same position at very different levels and thought maybe saw the game a little bit
03:07differently um you know and chase was praise worthy of chador he's like that's the guy i'd go with
03:16and kurt kind of pointed out a little bit more here's some areas where chador needs to continue to
03:21develop but of course he does he's made eight starts compared to 80 for deshaun watson so of course
03:26chador is going to be lacking in some areas and i suppose that's why i would like to see him
03:31play
03:31regardless of the record i mean do we think we could still make the playoffs yes do i think it's
03:36a severe uphill climb yes i do but to me this should all be about trying to figure out whether
03:43or not you have anything in chador sanders moving forward because i i personally don't believe
03:49deshaun's going to be on the roster there'll be a june 1st designated cut next march i believe is when
03:55it'll be and then chador you'll still have for two more years under contract if you think that
04:01he's better than any of the guys that are coming out yeah so that's how i look at it yeah
04:06and i said
04:08this to jeff this morning that i think that the window for deshaun to prove himself to the rest of
04:15the league gets smaller every week that at some point if especially if they lose and you feel like
04:20the playoffs maybe are out of reach that you do go to chador for the rest of the season do
04:24you think
04:25that it's just the situation for watson has changed at all right now see but here's the thing guys is
04:31that even if we fall to five and five are we going to be out of the playoffs no i
04:36mean technically isn't
04:38right so to me that stuff is irrelevant like either make the decision to go to chador don't say well
04:47deshaun's got one more week to prove i i think you're just you can make that argument virtually
04:52every week if you want to do that do it that way okay it's have you seen enough
04:59listen i don't know what the end game is with deshaun i really don't i don't know if there are
05:05people in the building who really believe that they could give him an extension and he would be
05:11a bet the best option possible i personally don't see that i cover football for a living it doesn't
05:19mean that i you know would have the same thought process if i worked in that building i don't know
05:27i'm just telling you what i see and what i think and what i think is is that sure it'd
05:33be awesome to
05:34go for the playoffs this year but i don't think that chador would give you a substantially less
05:40chance of making the playoffs than deshaun would i would agree with that by the way the opportunity
05:47to look ahead yeah i'd agree with that by the way you know i don't know you know i also
05:53don't want
05:53to hear people say well look he threw for almost 300 yard folks watch the game like i even heard
05:59people on tv i've heard people on tv talking about how well deshaun has played if you just
06:05count the last four minutes yeah i yes but there are other areas where he's not played as well and
06:11as you know has been part of the reason we've been put in some of these positions i think he's
06:16played
06:18okay i thought he played great against tennessee i thought that was maybe the best game he's played in
06:22a browns uniform but his time of really good play it feels like is about four minutes a game
06:32it's hard to argue with that can we uh let's take a look at some of the other things that
06:37happened
06:38could the in any and i kicked this around earlier could the raiders vikings trade kirk cousins
06:45fernando mendoza situation could that have worked out any better for both teams
06:52no i was screaming for it monday night brock osweiler who filled in for mjd on our show
06:57sunday night we said what's the one trade you would try to make and he goes i think the raiders
07:04and the vikings are he goes it's all really predicated on how wentz plays if he plays great
07:10on monday maybe you can live with it but we all saw what carson wentz was he was was bad
07:15a lot of
07:16what carson wentz has been the last few years and you know people will say well like her cousins was
07:22already the highest paid quarterback in minnesota what makes you think it's going to work well
07:27the percentage of a chance of it working is not great but i'll tell you what it was without him
07:33being there zero zero and that is with one of the most fierce defenses we've seen over the last two
07:39decades in my opinion it's really good defense is awesome i mean they made josh allen work for
07:44everything he got they made jared goff and the lions who are a top four scoring offense work for
07:49everything they've got like they are they're tough and if they had not made this trade i would have
07:55guaranteed that team would have finished last in the nfc north with as powerful as the rest of the
07:59teams are in that division and as good as the quarterback play has been between love caleb and jared
08:05goff they would have finished last so now i'm not going to guarantee that the vikings are going to
08:10make the super bowl for the first time it's super bowl 11 but i'll guarantee you that her cousin gives
08:15them a significantly better chance than the law firm of uh kyler and wentz which should charge zero by the
08:23hour based on its play that's funny i can't i can't help but ask you did you talk to osweiler
08:29about
08:29browns about his little time here with the browns yeah he loved it there he i still to this day
08:35i'll never understand why they they like because we were doing preseason at the time and i was like
08:41started andy right i just don't understand why they didn't stick with him for just a little bit
08:45even if they i i mean like kaiser sit for a year they go out and say that kaiser was
08:51the franchise
08:52quarterback i'm just like hugh what are you talking about oh you're breaking my heart just saying that
08:59you were sitting there with osweiler because i thought he could have been a decent quarterback here
09:02yeah he really liked it like he was he was emotionally involved there he was he was ready
09:08to be given a shot and you know after a tough time down there in houston he didn't want to
09:13just be the
09:14financial throw-in to get a second round pick which ended up being the trick job by the way
09:19so as i remind him hey worked out great for us pal um
09:26way to embrace your co-workers yeah he wanted look he wanted a shot at it and he was he
09:31felt like he
09:32was going to be in a good spot there but you know who knows how plays out that to me
09:38is one of the
09:38goofiest moves if you go back and look at goofy moves this this organization has done well come on
09:44now there i mean i know they've done a ton of them but it's in the book it's in the
09:47book right
09:48quite quite a list i i still will never forget us drafting to sean kaiser because if you remember
09:55this is 2017 he was not just he was a second round pick but he was our fourth pick because
10:01we
10:02had three first rounders that year right yep it was miles it was uh peppers and it was njoku and
10:07so he
10:07was our fourth pick and we were like why not try it even if he was a little immature and
10:12notre dame
10:13staff said there's no way he should be coming out all that sort of stuff i am on the second
10:18draft
10:18set uh you know rich and the crew are on the other one and we would come talk about the
10:23second
10:23rounders and third rounders that were getting drafted and my oldest son josh calls me he's going
10:28into his senior year in high school or junior year whatever he goes dad we found our franchise
10:32quarterback you are nuts he goes dad i want a kaiser jersey i said all right dude if that's the
10:38jersey
10:39you want that's the one that you are going to be hanging on to for a while he's like okay
10:44okay okay
10:44so 2023 the browns come out to play the rams and my boys are on the field ahead of time
10:52and i'm
10:52calling the game i was filling in for for jim donovan at the time calling the radio game and uh
10:59jw johnson comes over and he meets the boys and he he's looking at josh's jersey and he turns him
11:06around it goes kaiser goes oof that's a rough one i said yeah i make him wear it wherever he
11:12wants to go
11:13as a browns fan as a reminder don't jump the gun on anything put campbell on the back of it
11:19now
11:19right so you do yeah yeah i was just trying to think of hey i want to ask you one
11:24other question
11:24before we let you go uh baseball obviously december 1st is going to be here before you know it just
11:29your thoughts on where we're going with this thing and how long this lockout could be are we
11:33is there any chance we avoid a lockout no okay now the question is well are we going to miss
11:39games
11:39yeah i mean i think that we could get all the way to late february i i you know i
11:46mean the season
11:46starts what march 24th or 5th somewhere right around there um but i think we're going to miss games
11:58and here's the one thing i want to just tell baseball fans um this is how i'm dealing with this
12:05even though i'm going to have to cover it you know religiously on john boy media is that whatever
12:10you hear from both the owners and the players just keep this part in mind they might say that they
12:17care
12:17about the fans none of this is done with the fans best interest in mind it just doesn't because the
12:24players are trying to give themselves the best opportunity to earn money for a very short
12:33professional lifespan and i get that and the owners while they say they want a salary cap
12:38to make it more competitive balance that's bs folks they're doing it to up their franchise values
12:45it's very simple so whatever they say hey it'll be great for the cleveland guardians well first of all
12:51our owner is really going to spend an extra 110 million dollars a year just to reach the floor
12:58hell that's not going to happen no way so don't even start thinking about it in those terms that's
13:05the way i'm sitting here thinking about they're negotiating one side's trying to protect their funds
13:11the other one is trying to get as much money as they can out of the other one and it
13:15has nothing
13:15to do with fans not going to bring your beer prices down hot dogs etc just doesn't even if they
13:21say it will it won't so just remember that it'll be interesting to see if blitzers on the other
13:25side of it or dolan too on the other side of this lockout too chris we got to roll thanks
13:29man
13:29appreciate you thank you chris all right we'll talk to you soon bye chris rose make sure you check
13:33him out john boy media baseball today uh nfl network
