00:00Gentlemen who will be working with us, helping everybody on the Browns Radio Network get ready for all of those
00:05games
00:05and then trying to make sense of it afterwards, joins us right now on the Wise Heart Right.
00:10We make it right. Call Kyle Wright Hotline. He's our buddy Tyvus Powell. Hello, Tyvus.
00:15Hi, Tyvus.
00:17Gentlemen, how's the debate been going? Who should start, Deshaun or Shadour?
00:22Oh, we've had so much fun today, you wouldn't even believe.
00:25You know what? I could only imagine how things was going to go today, and I'm here for it all.
00:31What do you think about the report that's out there? Deshaun will start.
00:35Now, in theory, he was never not taken out of the starting spot, but then again, he was cleared and
00:42didn't play yesterday.
00:43Well, how would that go over in an NFL locker room if your starter was cleared but didn't play?
00:48Is that okay, based on practice and everything?
00:51Well, the whole thing was fishy to begin with.
00:54I think they really just wanted to get a look at Shadour, and I thought that he did well for
01:00them.
01:00Obviously, the ending of that game was very good, how he was able to handle those drives.
01:04I'm not shocked that they decided to go back to Deshaun after that.
01:08To me, they kind of seem like you're getting the same thing with both.
01:13So, if that's the case, and I know people don't want to hear this,
01:16and theoretically you would go with the younger guy, but when you got around $50 million involved,
01:21you understand why they went back to Deshaun.
01:24But theoretically, they bought the same.
01:27And I don't want people to judge Shadour off of or judge him because of what Deshaun's done recently.
01:34You would have to go back to what Deshaun did in his first couple of starts
01:38and compare that with Shadour to truly get a good grasp on that competition.
01:46So, how do you evaluate, Shadour, what we saw yesterday?
01:49I listened to a little bit of the post-game show yesterday.
01:52To me, it kind of seemed like you guys were kind of a tale of two halves.
01:55But you tell me, how would you evaluate what you saw?
01:58Yeah, the first half was kind of shaky, kind of head-scratching.
02:01A lot of me saying, all right, I see why people say they feel like the quarterback isn't on the
02:08roster.
02:08But then you look at what he did, it's undeniable what he did in that second half.
02:13I mean, just the fact that he led three straight scoring drives to try to win that game, that's remarkable.
02:21Like, that's what you pay franchise quarterback.
02:23That's what you want out of a franchise guy.
02:25So, he's definitely got all those traits there.
02:28Obviously, we still want him to be more consistent in the first four quarters.
02:31It's the same thing we were saying with Deshaun as well.
02:34We need that out of four quarters.
02:35I don't want to see it out of just one quarter.
02:38Now, I like that at the end of the game.
02:40You know, it's very clutch of them.
02:41But we've got to figure out a way to keep it where we go four quarters of consistent football play.
02:51If, in fact, the decision comes out from Todd at 2 o'clock that he's going to start Deshaun,
02:57I said early I would love it if it, in this case it's Shador because he played yesterday,
03:02if they determine that this guy gives you a better chance to win.
03:07They apparently aren't going to do that.
03:09Why do you think then Deshaun, in their estimation, gives them a better chance to win?
03:15Because he actually won the game.
03:18Probably be the only thing there.
03:20But, like I said, to me, we judge these quarterbacks off of 300-yard games.
03:26It took Deshaun his entire career as a Brown to get to this year.
03:30Well, we've seen it with Shador last year, and we also, he almost had it this game.
03:34He was three yards shy of it this game.
03:36And that really came in a half.
03:38So, like I say, it's undeniable that Shador can play in this league for sure.
03:42I think that all of that talk should be nipped in the bud.
03:45But I think he just needs a little more polish, and I think he's definitely, it's kind of
03:50interesting to see, you know, how the rest of this season plays out.
03:54But I know, you know, half of the fan base, the fan base is split on Shador.
03:59But I think if Shador can be more consistent, right?
04:03And I understand where people was like, you know, he's got to get the ball out of his hands
04:07quicker and all those things.
04:08Yes, I agree with all of that.
04:11But again, when you needed him the most to lock in, he got it done.
04:15Like, that was the same thing we were saying about Deshaun when he, people was kind of giving
04:20him another chance this season because of what he was able to do in those crunch times.
04:24It seems like Shador gave you that same thing.
04:26Again, obviously they didn't finish with the win.
04:29That's whatever.
04:30But I love the fact that it's in there.
04:33You can tell that he's got the it factor in there.
04:35And that's kind of what you want out of your quarterback.
04:38You know, we haven't spent two seconds talking about the defense today.
04:42I'm just curious your take on defense in the entire game, Mr.
04:44They have been a disappointment for the past three weeks.
04:48I don't know if they've been figured out.
04:50I don't know if it's fatigue.
04:52I don't know what it is.
04:53But they need to fix it fast because they are costing the Browns some of these games.
04:58You know, even that yesterday's game, they should have won that game.
05:01If the defense could come up with just one stop from the fourth quarter on,
05:06they could be the one stop and they couldn't get that done.
05:08And it's so crazy because we're used to the opposite.
05:11We're used to the defense being dominant and we're begging the offense to do something.
05:15Now it seems like it's flipped and I don't really like that either.
05:19I think you've got too much talent on the defensive side of the ball for them not to be able
05:23to get the job done.
05:24So they've got to figure out schematically if they're doing something wrong.
05:27They need to go back to the basics, something.
05:29But the explosive plays and the missed tackles and the missed leverage, that's not – that's signs of a bad
05:36defense.
05:37What's up with the run, D?
05:39What do you see that's missing?
05:41That's the most alarming part of it all because the Saints came into this game only averaging 86 yards rushing
05:48and they finished, what, 160?
05:50They double-dayed a total?
05:52Yep.
05:52So it's like that's ridiculous.
05:54You know, this is a game where you were supposed to force them to pass and they could have ran
05:58the ball.
05:58I was getting like five, six yards a pop with Alvin Kamara and Alvin Kamara hasn't looked like himself this
06:03entire season.
06:04So it's shocking that everybody is getting right and fixing their run game against the Browns and getting a lot
06:09of confidence.
06:10You don't want to be in that at sight.
06:12If you can't stop the run, it's going to be hard to win games in this league.
06:16What do you do with the offensive line?
06:18Is there anything you can do and do you expect them to do anything at the trade deadline even beyond
06:22–
06:22I mean, just – we can talk about quarterbacks in the second year, but can they do anything to try
06:27to fix this?
06:28And I guess then what becomes the ultimate goal?
06:30I mean, naturally, you know, I don't know what Austin Barber's injury is,
06:34but obviously that's going to shuffle up the line a little bit.
06:39I don't know.
06:39I think that you've already invested a lot of money and a lot of draft picks and a lot of
06:45draft capital into it
06:46that you kind of want to see it through.
06:48I don't know if guys are going to make offensive linemen – good offensive linemen available before tomorrow's deadline.
06:57You obviously want to search that market, and sometimes you just got to bite the bullet and say you made
07:02a bad trade
07:03or you made a bad signing.
07:05You got to do what's best for the team and eat some of that money.
07:08But it would be something that I definitely would have my eyes open for if I was Andrew Barry
07:14because you can't keep banging your head up against this thing and trying to hope that it works.
07:19And we are halfway through the season, and we haven't really seen too many signs of light from that offensive
07:25line.
07:26Tyvis Powell joining us, Browns Radio Network, pregame, postgame.
07:30And, of course, you can also see him on the Big Ten Tailgate Show.
07:34Oh, by the way, we named his fantasy team during our pregame show yesterday.
07:37Oh, great.
07:38Tyvis's Tailgaters, right?
07:40Yes.
07:41That is correct.
07:42It's a big moment for him.
07:44And I am slated to win my week this week.
07:47See, I sent you some good vibes there.
07:50I combined some things.
07:51I like that a lot.
07:53Unfortunately, it took the Browns and the Buckeyes to lose, but my fantasy team will win.
07:58No, no, no.
07:59Let's not go down that road.
08:00No, you're talking.
08:00No, no, no.
08:01I want to take you back to your playing days, okay?
08:05You're in the defensive back room, and you guys are getting ready to play the Cleveland Browns.
08:12And they're going over Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston and Harold Fannin.
08:18And you're thinking what as you look at tape of these guys and get ready to defend them?
08:24I'm thinking when I go up against Denzel Boston, he's going to be a more physical guy.
08:28You've got to be able to high point the ball.
08:30He's showing you he's got the ball skills to jump up.
08:33So I'm going to have to play the ball really well or be able to grab a hand when he
08:37goes up.
08:37He's trying to snatch the ball out.
08:39So Casey Concepcion, I'm trying to stay on top at all times.
08:42He's got that speed, and he's got a really good release package.
08:45So I don't know if I'd even press him.
08:47I'd back up off of him a little bit and just try to stay on top because you want to
08:51eliminate the explosive plays.
08:53He's really good after the catch as well.
08:55And then Harold Fannin, if I'm on Harold Fannin, I'm playing him real tight in coverage,
09:00trying to truly deny him the ball because he's a lot to bring down if he does get the ball.
09:06Obviously, we've seen his angry run to try to win the game at the end.
09:11So you've got to really be sticky in coverage with him.
09:14I don't know how much separation he could truly create with just routes alone.
09:17So I'm going to definitely be real tight in coverage on him and press him up like that
09:22because if he catches it, then that's when the problem occurs.
09:25Sounds to me like the Browns are presenting challenges for NFL defensive backs.
09:30Oh, yeah.
09:31You know, for years prior, it was sit at 10 and get ready to drive on something
09:37because ain't nobody going to threaten you, really.
09:39Now you've got to be ready to go.
09:42These young dudes, they for real.
09:44They can make a lot of plays.
09:46They're very explosive.
09:48And then week to week, they seem like every week they're getting better
09:52and understanding the NFL game and catching the speed and all those things.
09:56And they're making a lot of plays.
10:00All right.
10:01Do you need four quarterbacks on this roster?
10:03And will we have four quarterbacks after 4 o'clock tomorrow?
10:06You shouldn't need four quarterbacks on this roster.
10:09If you need four quarterbacks on the roster, then that means you don't have a quarterback.
10:12So I think that's where we are with that situation.
10:17I believe that they're going to trim it down.
10:19But I don't know.
10:21But I do think there will be some type of movement with the roster in some fashion
10:26because A.B. loves to shake things up a little bit.
10:30What's a trade do with the trade deadline for a team?
10:33It depends on who the player is.
10:35In the locker room, especially.
10:37It depends on who the player is getting traded.
10:39If it's a guy that's of value to us and we're trading him away,
10:44it tells you that they don't believe in you.
10:45If they're getting somebody to come in that adds value to the team,
10:49then they believe that this team can make a run for it.
10:51So you kind of get that message from the front office by the moves that they decide to make.
10:58Okay.
10:58We'll stay tuned tomorrow, 4 o'clock.
11:01Anybody else getting fired in Columbus?
11:04No, not right now.
11:05I think after the Team Up North game, I think that's when you might see some movement.
11:11Uh-oh.
11:12That's a little warning shot right there.
11:15All right.
11:17I don't think it'll be no coordinators or no position groups because if you do that,
11:22then you ain't got nobody to coach the kids up for the rest of the season.
11:25So I figure there's three games left for the regular season.
11:29I don't know what bowl they're going to go to.
11:31I don't know if they're going to play.
11:32They probably should because they're going to have a bunch of young guys left.
11:35So they probably should.
11:36And they'll probably make some more changes right there, either before the bowl game or after the bowl game.
11:42Tyrus, thank you, sir.
11:44I'll see y'all later.
11:45Go Browns.
11:46Go Bucs.
11:47Go Cavs.
11:48Go guards.
11:49Free class A, baby, till it's backwards.
11:53Tyrus Powell joining us.
11:54Go Bucs.
