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00:24I didn't take what Deshaun Watson said as a knock on the Saints.
00:28Did I say Deshaun?
00:29I'm sorry.
00:30I didn't take what Shador said as a knock on the Saints.
00:33I did take it he didn't want to answer the questions that Daryl wrote
00:36or Daryl asked or that anybody asked really.
00:41And I did think, though, that when he smiled,
00:43and I saw the reaction from a lot of people on the internet
00:45who were like Saints bios and things like that,
00:47I'm like, I don't think the Saints are going to take too kindly to it.
00:50And I don't know.
00:52We talked a hell of a lot about his press conference on Thursday.
00:55There's no doubt about that.
00:57It was very little, if any, conversation
01:00about the bulletin board material for the Saints.
01:04But you had a feeling that, I mean, teams use anything they possibly can
01:07as bulletin board material.
01:09So I wasn't surprised.
01:10I didn't think it was the media's fault that the Saints used bulletin board material
01:14from what Shador Sanders, I guess, didn't say in the Wednesday press conference.
01:17So when he smiled, he's seen some.
01:19I don't think he was going after them at all.
01:23This was completely, that part of it was completely invented,
01:25which is what players do all the time.
01:28I mean, that was the last dance.
01:29That was, I think, one of the takeaways of the last dance,
01:33watching Michael Jordan invent negativity,
01:36invent any kind of bulletin board material.
01:38And that's what the Bulls did all the time.
01:40But I did laugh because, was it A.J. Ross?
01:43Was she the sideline reporter?
01:45Yes.
01:45And she got a chance to catch up with Shador,
01:49who also had a claim that he was trying to get plays into the playbook this week.
01:53Oh, that was interesting.
01:54Like, ah, I'm the starter.
01:55I want new plays in the playbook.
01:56Like, all right, that's interesting.
01:59Well, if they make you comfortable, do you already run them?
02:01If you already run them, then if you're comfortable with them,
02:04then you try to get those in there.
02:05I think Todd and this team has enough on their plate.
02:07I don't think we need to be doing install.
02:10Well, are the plays already installed?
02:12Yeah, I don't know.
02:13I don't know what he meant.
02:14Okay, fine.
02:15But in addition to that, the whole misunderstood thing, he's misunderstood.
02:19Yeah, I didn't understand it.
02:20I didn't know what he was.
02:22I needed a decoder to try to figure out what the hell he was doing
02:26with that press conference.
02:27It sounded to me he was just, he has contempt for anybody asking questions,
02:33even though they were layup questions.
02:35That's all I got.
02:36That had nothing to do with the Saints.
02:39And I said I wanted to feel better about it.
02:41It didn't make me feel any better about it.
02:43And then, obviously, Jared Versus' press conference on Thursday,
02:46well, that took away.
02:47I mean, Shador Sanders didn't say anything remotely as bothersome
02:52as what Jared Versus said on Thursday.
02:54I didn't like that.
02:54And Shador showed up in the game.
02:57Yeah.
02:57Shador did show up.
02:59Because you can make the argument,
03:00it took three quarters for him to show up, but he showed up.
03:03Jared Versus never.
03:05It's taken him half the season he hasn't showed up.
03:07He had Tyler Shuck in his grasp in overtime,
03:09and the game would have went totally differently.
03:11The outcome would have been different.
03:12It is officially a problem, right?
03:14The Jared Versus thing.
03:15Yes.
03:16Well, because I only say that because every week me and you have been like,
03:20well, eventually a good pass rusher is going to be a good pass rusher.
03:23The amount of my football guys going, he has one move.
03:28That's it.
03:28It's the straight bull rush.
03:30That's the only move he has.
03:31He does nothing else.
03:33That's what we thought was a central part of the trade.
03:35Well, I said this to you about a month ago.
03:37It's like when Miles first started, and Miles had three sacks yesterday,
03:41that didn't make anybody's day any better, is that when Miles first started,
03:46on my mother's grave, there were scouts, pundits, who were,
03:52boy, he's kind of a one-trick pony,
03:55and he's going to have to develop more moves as time goes on,
03:58but he was a physical freak.
04:00And so you can be a genetic freak,
04:04and I'm going to go into Steiner math here by accident.
04:07I don't want to.
04:07You could be a genetic freak and get away with having one move,
04:11and then as you develop moves,
04:12you become something of a totally different monster,
04:17and that's what Miles Garrett has become.
04:21Jared Verse might be a one-trick pony,
04:24but he's not as physically gifted as Miles Garrett,
04:26so you are going to have to work on moves and pass rush
04:30and the instance, the attention to detail with your toe positioning
04:35and all the things that get talked about with edge rushers
04:38and defensive linemen.
04:39You're going to have to work on this,
04:41and it's not going to happen really until the offseason.
04:44And he's seeing how hard it is.
04:47Like, you want to be a leader.
04:48You want the crown of leadership.
04:50You're going to feel how heavy it is.
04:52And the more talking he does over the last couple of weeks,
04:56the worse it's been.
04:57And there were plenty of people going,
04:58where's Jared?
04:59Where's Jared?
04:59Where's Jared?
05:00And I'm looking as well.
05:02Can't find him.
05:03Had a nice neutral zone infraction
05:06right after the Sam Williams neutral zone infraction.
05:09And got yanked right off the field.
05:10So, you know, he's got that going for him.
05:11Kenny, he got yanked right off the field.
05:13What is that?
05:14Think about this now.
05:15This is important because it's not the first time it's happened with him,
05:20and this is a huge, significant piece of the Miles Garrett trade.
05:26So, Andrew Barry was clearly salivating over getting Jared Verse,
05:32and the head coach says, get off the field.
05:34You've done it again.
05:34Get off the field.
05:35Are you saying we're officially in panic mode with Jared Verse?
05:38I don't know any other way to describe it.
05:40116-474-0092, Owen's nodding his head.
05:44All right, fine, here we go.
05:45It's a little thing like that,
05:46especially after complaining that his teammates didn't do anything
05:50when he got power bombed in that game last week,
05:55and he said I had to talk to my guys about it.
05:58Like, do they even want to hear from you right now?
06:01Do they?
06:02You're jumping off sides right after another player jump.
06:05What kind of leadership is that?
06:07You came to a team, and this is the one thing that we kind of glossed over
06:10because we felt like, well, we need a leader
06:11because Miles Garrett wasn't a vocal leader.
06:14Maybe guys like Denzel Ward and maybe guys like Malik Collins are like,
06:18yeah, we're veterans.
06:19We've been here.
06:21And Carson Swessinger, year two.
06:23Hey, I was defensive rookie of the year.
06:25Like, I'm pretty vocal.
06:27Like, maybe they didn't need that.
06:29Maybe they didn't want that.
06:30Carson Swessinger has half his body taped up.
06:33Yeah.
06:34He can barely move, and he's out there making plays.
06:36Every play on defense, he's around it somewhere.
06:39And look, first, his season's not over.
06:41And Jared Wurst can talk.
06:43Right.
06:43His season's not over.
06:45I'd get away from the microphone for a little bit.
06:46I really don't know if I know what Carson Swessinger's voice sounds like
06:49right off the rip, like if you didn't tell me.
06:51And I've hosted an event with Carson Swessinger,
06:53and I don't know what his voice would sound like right off the tip of the top.
06:56Because he has to be in the training room every day.
06:58Yeah, probably.
06:58Because he's putting it out there on the line every single snap.
07:01I will tell you guys this.
07:02Every single snap, that guy puts it on the line.
07:04Unbelievable.
07:05And Jared Wurst talks.
07:07So when I go in on Wednesdays, he limps by, and I'm like,
07:12how's he going to play on Sunday?
07:14And he's just out there because he goes into the training room,
07:16and he don't just hide out in the training room.
07:18Like you can tell he gets his treatment and wants to be right back out there.
07:20Because they go through a walkthrough.
07:23And for their credit, he's not the only one who does that.
07:25There's other guys getting taped up.
07:27But I'm watching him run around like a mummy right now.
07:31And he's not making any excuses for his play whatsoever.
07:34And all I heard last week was one excuse after another and then putting it on your teammates
07:38for not fighting for you in a situation where, I don't know, you got us in this mess,
07:43and now you can't get us out of this mess.
07:45I don't know if they'd be fighting too.
07:47Just pointing it out, man.
07:48Like, you're the one who talked it.
07:50And if you can't back it up, you expect us to come out and defend you.
07:54It's difficult.
07:55And then yesterday, it was made that much worse when Myles Garrett goes out there
07:59and has three sacks against Washington and looks like Myles Garrett.
08:04And now the Rams are.
08:07Yeah.
08:08And here we are.
08:10Here we are.
08:12That's not a good feeling, man.
08:13That's not a good feeling.
08:16And I do think we are reaching a point of like, dude, you're going to have to do something here
08:20to get the fans off your back.
08:21Like, this is not good.
08:23And I don't think getting in front of a microphone is one of them.
08:27I think he probably needs to steer clear of the microphone.
08:29I was so excited to have him.
08:30And I talked about leadership.
08:31And we all talked about leadership.
08:33And it's like, all right, this is the type of player we need.
08:35Like, yeah, you're giving up sacks.
08:36But if the culture is that much better.
08:38And yeah, his talking has made the culture a little.
08:40I wonder if it's made the culture a little bit worse.
08:43It certainly makes you feel that way.
08:44I think by pressure rate, somebody had the numbers going into that game last week.
08:49But he was like one of the bottom 10 players in the entire NFL and defensive line.
08:55Like, he's just been a nothing.
08:56Anybody would be better than him right now.
08:58That's how bad he's played.
09:03My issue is I don't know how to address it and make it better.
09:06I mean, we're addressing it now.
09:07I just don't know how to make it better.
09:10I don't.
09:10Like, well, if you can't develop anything other than a bull rush, like, I mean, you can work on that
09:16in season.
09:17But we're trying to win football games here.
09:19I guess you can.
09:21But that's more of an off-season thing.
09:23And getting that stuff done.
09:25And so if you're not, you don't have any other move.
09:28Yeah, I guess you've created opportunities for other people on the defense.
09:32Okay.
09:33Because of your pressure, I guess.
09:36There's just not a lot, man.
09:38I don't have a lot.
09:39And I can't give up on him.
09:42I can't say he's a dud.
09:43They've traded the farm for him.
09:45Or he's part of what they got back when they traded away the franchise.
09:48Yeah, the Browns got universal praise when they got him.
09:51They did.
09:51Every national guy.
09:52Even the Rams.
09:54It was kind of like a condescending thing.
09:55Trent McDuffie said they had to.
09:56No, that wasn't condescending.
09:58Trent McDuffie said they had to have a meeting over it.
10:00Yeah.
10:00Because he was such a leader.
10:02I know.
10:02Unless he was the big.
10:03Unless Trent McDuffie's one of the greatest actors and liars you've ever run into in your entire life.
10:07Well, he was new to the team.
10:09And so he probably hadn't been around.
10:11He was taken aback by it.
10:12Yeah, definitely.
10:13Exactly.
10:14So he's probably sort of going, well.
10:15But it's not like he saw his leadership before because he wasn't on the team.
10:19But you're still going to be taken aback by it when you go there and you trade away this guy
10:23for Miles Garrett.
10:23And it's great to have a talker when you've got a bunch of other guys on their doing for you.
10:27But what's the difference?
10:28What is the difference, though?
10:30Because he was talking and producing to some level with the Rams to the point that they had to have
10:35a conversation amongst themselves when they brought in the best defensive player in the league.
10:39When they brought in the best defensive.
10:40So what is missing here?
10:42Other than we're just not the Rams.
10:44Other than we don't.
10:45The only other thing that I could think is actually missing is we don't have all these veterans there that
10:51maybe you can kind of hide behind.
10:53It's the only thing I'm thinking of.
10:55Now you're the veteran.
10:56You're third year in.
10:57You are the veteran now.
10:58You are where we look for the leadership.
11:01And, man, shooting your mouth off on Thursday and then following it up with that and having everybody getting upset
11:06with you really isn't the way to do it.
11:09It isn't the way to do it.
11:10And I think a lot of fans are sorely disappointed going, man, we knew he wasn't going to be Miles.
11:14We're not getting any sacks.
11:16Okay, but now we're not getting any of the leadership that we wanted.
11:21216-474-0092.
11:22Like, that's bad.
11:24Like, if he was having no sacks or even just one sack, just one for the love of God, you'd
11:30be like, well, he's only got one sack.
11:31You've got to start somewhere.
11:33Right?
11:34And if it were just like, hey, like, yeah, but he's such a – we don't got that.
11:38We don't have culture now.
11:39So, you –
11:42Browns would have, if the season were to end today, the 16th overall pick and the 18th overall pick in
11:48the first round.
11:49All right, we're going to sit here and we're going to talk about quarterbacks until kingdom come because that's what
11:52you do.
11:52And when you talk football, it ends up always coming back to quarterbacks.
11:55I get that.
11:55But, you know, Deshaun Watson and Shador Sanders, I don't really think either of them are going to be here
12:00long-term.
12:01Jared Verse basically has to be here long-term.
12:03We have a much bigger problem with Jared Verse.
12:05Much bigger.
12:07Damn it.
12:07Now, I'm getting really upset by this as the more we talk about it.
12:10Well, I'm serious because part of that was the leadership and you're throwing your guys under the bus, going out
12:15there trying to play defense.
12:17Well, they wouldn't fight for me after I got powerbombed.
12:20Well, he didn't say powerbomb, obvious.
12:21Well, I don't know.
12:23I'd probably be a little bit upset with you, too.
12:25We're out there getting our asses handed to us and then they go down to New Orleans and it's a
12:29disappearing act again.
12:30Now, I didn't think it affected the game in terms of his lack of performance might have affected the game.
12:36I don't think it affected their psyche.
12:39I don't think that they were overly emotional.
12:40I was happy about that.
12:42Stupid penalties happened, but I didn't think there was any of the craziness that happened with the Pittsburgh game.
12:47Damn.
12:48Yeah, but you don't trade away the player of a generation to just be okay with, yeah, he didn't have
12:55a negative effect on the game.
12:56That's horrible.
12:58That's absolutely pitiful.
13:00It's horrible.
13:01To pass up another first rounder.
13:04Yes.
13:04Right now, there's not a Browns fan alive that wouldn't just rather have the draft pick right now.
13:10Before the elbow and the sickness, Malik Collins was doing wonderfully.
13:13Mason Graham is having a fine season.
13:15I want to see how he's coming back from this injury.
13:18I think he's playing through it.
13:19Obviously, again, Carson Swessinger is basically getting put in a sarcophagus during the season so he can play on Sundays.
13:25Quincy Williams out there limping around.
13:27He's a psycho and a veteran.
13:29Quincy Williams is going right down the line.
13:32East of Master Uranus Arnold is probably another guy.
13:35Tyson Campbell had a bit of a rough one yesterday, but Tyson Campbell is still pretty good.
13:39Denzel Ward is playing in an all-pro level right now.
13:41I still love Grant Delpin.
13:43Ronnie Hickman gave away one, but he took away another, so you kind of take the good with the bad.
13:46I mean, you do have guys here that are filling in their roles.
13:49Emmanuel McNeil-Warren is playing well.
13:51Guys are at the back of the depth chart on defense on special teams.
13:55We always talk about big hit win.
13:56Donovan McMillan came up with a big play on special teams yesterday.
13:59And I'm getting nothing out of the guy that we traded Miles Garrett for other than blame.
14:05I got an excuse last week that ended up not even being an excuse, and I got blame on his
14:10own teammates.
14:13It's got to change, man.
14:14A lot of people are getting upset.
14:16A lot of damn people are getting upset.
14:18You're going to have to pick it up real soon.
14:21Daryl Ryder, 8-20.
14:22Five minutes away.
14:23Lima, is there anything you liked about the Ohio State game on Saturday?
14:27I might have liked what happened this morning when it came to Ohio State much more than that.
14:31Plus, I saw maybe one, maybe two all-time Hall of Fame basketball players on Friday night, up close and
14:40personal.
14:42And they've seen better days.
14:44Lima likes in five minutes on the fan.
