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00:01because here we are again and you know i know he was talking a little bit about chidori he was
00:05also talking a little bit about jared verse it's like we're not really talking football we're
00:09talking about the past or we're talking about you know a zest against the media or anything like
00:14that like why are we not talking about the saints coming up like we're we're talking about our lack
00:18of production we're talking about how we're upset with our teammates so clearly he hasn't gotten
00:23over it clearly he's been watching all the media clearly he's been i'm talking about jared verse
00:27here clearly he's been seeing all the things that the steelers players have said about him and now
00:31they're in another in his head this is not a good place it's not good and i kind of want
00:38to ask you
00:39right off the rip to start the show should jared verse shut up or do you agree with him about
00:46the
00:47teammate thing because he was upset that his teammates didn't start swinging kicking and
00:53the gouging and the mud and the blood and the beer after the field goal where he again he he
00:57left he
00:58left he left his feet it's a golden rule yeah coach lance said once you leave your feet anything is
01:04possible yes uh it's it's at that point it's street justice that's what anything can happen that's what
01:11throws me off it's like he knows that he has to know that if i know it and lance knows
01:17it and former
01:18nflers who are texting us know it and go that's yeah that's that's the truth that's the rule but
01:24you leave your feet you're responsible for where you land you there's no other thing that could have
01:28happened there he had to be pile driven into the ground like sorry because i heard coach riz and he
01:35said the same thing you did he's like yeah i mean you leave your feet anything can happen let me
01:39ask
01:39the guy who played the game no offense to you okay owen you and i are playing it name the
01:45rival school
01:46to mounds oklahoma it was keifer when i was there but who knows now say i play for keifer and
01:52some
01:52we play in the regular season and you and i get into a shoving match and i take a swing
01:59at you
01:59in the regular season game i take a swing at you and then we meet in the playoffs yep and
02:07i've been
02:07saying things to the local newspaper i've been saying things to the matt ghoul of oklahoma pulpa herald
02:15and i leave thank you and i leave my feet and you happen to be the one who's holding me
02:20up
02:20where am i gonna land owen on your head
02:25and i don't disagree maybe on your back hopefully if i get my back if i get that power bomb
02:33right
02:33hopefully on my well i gotta lay out you know that's how that's gotta go saying this if it was
02:37denzel ward you'd be saying the exact same thing denzel i would be shocked that denzel ward is saying all
02:42these things that's what i would be so it's not the same thing i'm talking about the actual action
02:47where i mean i'm watching the replay i feel like there are other things that could have happened
02:52other than how it resulted but that's i'm i'm well first off mike how did mason i can't believe i'm
02:59defending a pittsburgh stealer here that's especially a guy especially a guy who actually surprised who was
03:04doing things that are not legal okay against the bengals he was doing things that weren't legal
03:09all right you're grabbing people's you're grabbing people's thighs you're like in a wrestling hold
03:13that's not legal i just it's not smart i've heard in in the past i have heard ken carman go
03:20out of
03:20his way run a country mile i know defend the brown to defend miles garrett because i know that
03:26something was said i don't believe what was alleged was actually said but i know that something was said
03:32i believe it in my heart and you do too so i've been very defensive about that going
03:37you say that word to a person people react differently you say these words to people
03:42they might go nuts they might see red i defended miles garrett to that okay and that was at that
03:48time i mean he cost the bronze big time they won that game they were still in the playoff he
03:52did
03:52if he's on that field you think about this if he's on that field for the rest of the season
03:57does freddy kitchens have a chance to save his job going into the next year yeah does john dorsey stay
04:04think about the things that have happened and it's a slide ever since then big time it really is
04:09so i'm not trying to like turncoat and defend somebody else but when he's saying these things
04:15i'm going hey man like you say that the play is illegal but then you did something that wasn't
04:22very smart it was basically something that you guys both had memories on when you took a swing at him
04:29in the first game and then you have a situation or before that you have a you have a situation
04:34where
04:34you took a swing at him and then you have this situation where you picked him up you've been
04:39picked up and you've been tossed down i mean that's what i'm saying so
04:47you're advocating for illegal moves over something you've said is illegal
04:53you're like well they threw a flag on it okay i'm glad they didn't catch you taking a swing
04:59because you took a swing at him you didn't connect with the face mask
05:04but guys i'm just trying to call i'm not trying to beat up on jared verse here
05:07i'm just trying to call it down the line all right it's a it's a game for men it's a
05:12game for tough
05:12men and jared verse is tough but i don't know why we're acting like if you would have told me
05:17when
05:17they made that trade and how he was talked about and even you ken carman you extolled the virtues of
05:22his leadership right and he was going to be able to lead unlike miles garrett i know i'm very
05:27disappointed right now he was going to be able to back it up on the field too if you would
05:30have
05:30told me that eight weeks into his browns career i know you would be you would be advocating against
05:36the brown and for the steelers i would have told you i was shocked i would have told you you're
05:40wrong
05:40i would have called you a benedict arnold i would have said that you're crazy but under these
05:44circumstances i'm trying to be fair and judge it down the line and you could say well james harrison
05:50agreed with he can so he's a crazy headhunter okay but so did joe so did joe hayden and so
05:55did
05:56many many many other guys who we've talked to who we've got to know who have texted us during
06:01this week and go yeah kenny's right you leave your feet you're responsible for where you land
06:06that's why they tell you hey i know it looks cool don't try to hurdle players don't try to do
06:10that
06:12when you're off off your feet bad things can happen closer to the ground is usually better
06:18little man wins the whole i mean it's just said over and over again it's the base of the game
06:22axiom yes so that's and that's what bothers me here is like okay you knew you're going to get
06:28asked about it and here we are going over answers in the media day two uh you knew you're going
06:34to
06:34get asked about it say you know what we lost the game i gotta get better we gotta we gotta
06:38get better
06:38i must get better we're on to new orleans fine and if people make fun of you that you learned
06:44your
06:44lesson quote unquote okay maybe you did because you know what i'm finding out here and i i didn't call
06:51i
06:51well i wanted to save this for 620 i might have to do it now i i mean i heard
06:55i heard deshaun
06:57watson where you know that yeah there was definitely some things that he could have done different
07:02but he was there in the post game those sacks are on me this loss is on me i'm the
07:08quarterback of
07:08this football team that's my fault we got to get better i must be better we got i got to
07:14get this
07:14thing going although he might have been under the influence of concussion spencer fano spencer fano
07:20just ripped himself before anybody had a chance to rip him ripped himself how disappointed he was
07:27in his performance and it wasn't a good performance by the way spencer fano went after himself i traded
07:33for jared verse i traded the best player in in franchise history on the defensive side of the ball
07:38so that makes him one of the three or four greatest players in franchise history depending
07:42on how you stack them up so you have a and this is an old franchise since 1946 guys so
07:47you have a
07:48very old franchise that's had thousands of players on it and he's one of the top three and you traded
07:53that guy and one of the things was is that hey this guy is a leader trent mcduffie talking about
07:58how
07:58they had to have hour-long meetings because you let the heart and soul of the franchise go
08:04and i thought and this is i'm not giving up on jared verse this is not i'm not it sounds
08:09bad i'm not
08:10taking the gloves off on him i'm not because it's like hey i know what we traded for you i
08:15know that
08:16they're probably they're going to want to sign you to a contract i want you to be better and i
08:22think
08:22the pressure is getting to you a little bit here and i think we're seeing the difference of being on
08:26a football team being a emotional person which he is being a a trying to be a strong leader which
08:34he's
08:34trying to be but on a football team that has a lot of veterans a lot of veterans and now
08:40you went from
08:40being one of the guys that kind of help out one of the guys that kind of raised the standard
08:45and
08:46then you turn into maybe one of the guys to now you are the guy you're a second youngest team
08:51in
08:51the nfl you're three years in you're a veteran welcome to it so let me ask you this you want
08:55it
08:55you got it this this um clearly from the moment he came in he was trying to take a very
09:02active
09:02leadership role not just vocal just in everything and it sounds like we're passing the buck here well so
09:08what i want to know from you when you saw something that he complained about the lack of teammates
09:15coming over and you know backing him up i didn't know if they saw it for him i mean i'm
09:22sure he went
09:22to the sidelines and said stuff and maybe he didn't like the reaction either does that tell you anything
09:27about whether or not his leadership is working with those guys and those teammates they're five and
09:33three but i but i'm not sometimes i think i think wins and losses can cover up things that are
09:40underlying underneath do you think they have not necessarily been accepting to him because it is
09:49it is interesting no if the leader of a team did get power bombed on a football field by the
09:56rivals
09:57and there was a penalty flag if jared verse there would be a revolt there would be just an all
10:03-out
10:04melee on the field that did not happen if jared verse had chase young's stats he has seven seven sacks
10:09in seven games i think the results would be a little different i think that the reaction the reaction not
10:15the results because the results are on the scoreboard the reaction would have been a lot different i think
10:19yeah i i think in that world you could talk all you want but it's a results it's a bottom
10:27line
10:27results based business to quote mike penn he had one tackle on sunday one didn't have one tackle the
10:34sunday before well we don't get in a lot of third down third down and long actually uh i saw
10:41spencer
10:41german you are the the team with the fifth most third and longs on defense you get in the third
10:48and
10:48six or longer in the league so that's not true so he kind of just made it up no he
10:55may think we're
10:56just no it's not that he made it up i'm sure he's not sitting there looking at true media all
10:59the time
11:00and looking at all the stats and the analytics i think he's just sitting there going i think he's
11:04searching for answers of why he's not getting sacks because he knows he's i'm not expecting you to
11:11get 23 i thought 10 would be nice i and what if he got nine and they were an eight
11:16win team or a
11:17seven win team or whatever you think i'm gonna sit here and beat down on jared verse no and again
11:21i'm
11:21not trying to beat down on him but man like you're in a territory where i'm not taking the gloves
11:25off
11:25i got fans taking the gloves off i got fans saying that they have buyer's remorse i have fans saying
11:30that they take this back i got fans saying that they would have rather just had miles garrett and
11:35miles garrett being aloof and checking his text messages and meetings because you know what it was
11:40still a guy that you had to game plan around and people were still still afraid of and while i
11:44don't agree
11:45with that right now i mean we are reaching a very weird place because the fans think that way
11:51and if you're not backing them up i think the players might too scary 216-474-0092 what are we
11:59gonna say on okay but let me get to uh get to brian and canton real quick hello brian what's
12:04up guys how
12:05are you we're doing well brian go right on ahead well hang on we're playing football right yes
12:11versus a football player i mean he's whining like this is why we got our asses kicked by the
12:16sealers they're over there kicking our ass and we're over here going it's unfair he did this he
12:23heard me here why didn't my team stick up for me why this is football i can't believe i'm listening
12:29to a guy that was supposedly a leader whining and crying he cried the last game that he was shipped
12:34too
12:34much and you heard the sealer say well that's part of the game isn't it the dummy leads your speed
12:39he gets power bombed it's a meme everywhere making fun of the browns and now he's whining
12:43and crying about it saying it was even my team didn't stick up for me what are we talking about
12:49here this is supposed to be an athlete well it's gonna be rough because i gotta tell you brian it's
12:55gonna be real rough on sunday because sid justice is playing left tackle for the for the new orleans
12:59saints so it's gonna be it's gonna be a scary situation for him thank you for the call he's a
13:05manager
13:05do we start though did we start the whole power bombing thing of that is this power bomb gate now
13:10all of a sudden
13:14it ain't gonna get any better if you switch them to the other side you got razor ramon playing right
13:18tackle for the saints on sunday too it's gonna be rough it's gonna get you baby it's he was compared
13:24to juan thornhill i'm trying to think of players oh yeah that's right i got that tweet on from
13:29honestly though the people that are upset about him being vocal in the media and whining about what
13:40happened to him are you the same people that were very happy that he was a much more vocal leader
13:46yep than miles and i think that's why they're mad and that well yeah i think that's why he is
13:51he is
13:52who you said he was he was vocal then he was vocal in the positive he's being vocal in the
13:58negative i
13:58don't know that you can knock him for being vocal it's like this is what you wanted what are we
14:02focused on a vocal guy not a guy that gets 23 sexy like what are we focused on what are
14:08we focused on
14:09well after that blowout loss it is it is everything but the actual football right now that's exactly
14:15what's happening and it's and man it's start you know what god forbid we ask any of them about the
14:19saints you know what it's starting to you know what it's starting to smell like you know what it's
14:23starting to smell like i'm getting that whiff in the air man and they're five and three and i hate
14:27it
14:28because that's that's the problem if they were three and five be a strong whiff and you'd be
14:31like okay this is normal here we go you're five and three and going i know it's only november six
14:37but it's starting to smell like december and berea man well and deshaun watson can't smell
14:41anything right now he's in concussion protocol no that doesn't take away your sense of smell
14:47yeah he's not going to taste a meal since sunday afternoon wake you up a little bit with
14:53smelling salts all right well do you agree with does anybody agree with him i do think he's got
15:03to be wondering why no no teammates came to his came to his rescue came to his defense that uh
15:10that
15:10did surprise me that's it that's a defense that is very proud they have been considered one of the
15:16better defenses i know they've gotten blown out now twice so two of the games maybe that'll change
15:19your reputation but the defense defense well that's two one six honestly i have seven four
15:25double oh 92 i am surprised that that you could say well none of them saw it they tend to
15:30see these
15:31things all right i'm gonna get to you guys when we come back should jared verse just shut up or
15:35do
15:35you agree with him i don't want to say are you giving up on jared verse it's been eight games
15:39i'm in this for the long haul but things got things are gonna have to change man things really
15:45got to change i did not expect to be ripping on jared verse eight games into this season you're
15:51especially at a five and three record if you would have told me the browns be five and three after
15:55eight games i thought that jared verse be rolling right now this is this is weird this is really
16:01really weird ken carmen anthony lima on the fan
16:03you