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00:00Can I get your name and badge number?
00:01Officer Hitzkin, my badge number is 5450.
00:04Thank you, sir.
00:04Hey, so it's my understanding that you've been told not to be inside the building.
00:08It is a public lobby.
00:09I am gathering content for a story.
00:11There is a poster 7.
00:12It says I can record in there.
00:13Would you like to walk in and look at it with me?
00:14No, no, no.
00:15There's no debate about that.
00:16That's not what I'm asking.
00:16Okay.
00:17I'm asking you, were you told by officers that you're not?
00:20Officers?
00:20No.
00:21It's my understanding.
00:22A guy named Larry.
00:23A guy named Larry.
00:24Who's Larry?
00:25I guess he's a postmaster.
00:27Okay.
00:27Which he is wrong, and I am here to buy a stamp on my purchase and record everything.
00:31I'm not disputing that.
00:32Right.
00:33I agree.
00:33But it's my understanding that police have informed you that you are not allowed to be inside of this building.
00:37No.
00:37You are wrong.
00:38Okay.
00:38There was another auditor that does what I do that told me he was detained from this location and trespassed.
00:46Okay.
00:46So what's your name?
00:47My name is Dustin.
00:48Dustin?
00:48Yep.
00:49Okay.
00:49I will only give you my first name because of my rights.
00:53Well, actually, you do have to tell me who you are.
00:55I only got to give you my first name.
00:57Legally, I don't have to give you even that.
00:59Actually, you do.
01:00But, okay.
01:01I'm not going to argue with you.
01:02I'm going to wait until my partner gets here so we can get this all straight.
01:04I'm going to walk to the side of the building and just keep recording.
01:06I want you to stay right here, okay?
01:07Am I being detained?
01:08You are being detained.
01:09Okay.
01:11So this is an unlegal detainment.
01:14No, it's very illegal.
01:15It's unlegal.
01:16First Amendment says I can record in public places.
01:19It would be illegal if there's an unlegal.
01:20It's not a word.
01:21What is your first name?
01:23Dustin.
01:23That's all I'm giving you.
01:25Okay.
01:25Dustin, what's your date of age?
01:26I'm not giving you that.
01:27Okay.
01:31Well, we'll get to the bottom of it.
01:33That you will.
01:34So were you here the other day?
01:35I was not.
01:36You were not here?
01:37Nope.
01:37Okay.
01:40So what is the purpose of all this right now?
01:42Just, you know, public knowledge.
01:45Just public knowledge.
01:46The plan.
01:46Public knowledge.
01:47Okay.
01:53And can I get a supervisor as well?
01:55Yeah, we'll get one for you.
02:05And do you guys have an agreement with the post office to do, in certain post offices have
02:12to have agreements with police departments for them to even do, you know, a trespass from
02:17any post office?
02:18They can trespass wherever they want from here.
02:20They can't.
02:22Unless I've committed a crime, they can't.
02:24Well, the other gentleman, again, I wasn't here the other day.
02:26That's my understanding.
02:27You may or may not have been here when that happened.
02:30So we'll get to the bottom of it.
02:31Okay.
02:31Um, what was going on at that day, I'm not going to explain to you because allegedly that's
02:36not you, but they don't want you here.
02:38They can, unless I'm committing a crime.
02:40I'm here.
02:41We'll get, we'll figure it out.
02:42We will.
02:45And this is car number 34 pulling up here at Forest Park, uh, post office.
02:55So were you just out here in the lobby?
02:57So I started over on the side of the building.
02:59Um, that video messed up.
03:00So I closed it out, re-deleted it and restarted inside the lobby.
03:03Uh, and that's when Larry approached me.
03:05Um, so I was beside the building.
03:06There is a gate over there.
03:07I did not enter the gate.
03:08I stayed outside the gate.
03:09Um, because there is signs that say no, uh, you know, do not enter.
03:13So I, I did not enter there.
03:15Uh, came inside, walked around the lobby here, walked into the lobby here.
03:18And that's when, uh, Larry approached me.
03:20He didn't say who he was.
03:22So I just told him I'm kindly going to decline to leave because I know the law of the post
03:26office.
03:27There is a poster seven in there that does state.
03:28I can do media purposes.
03:30And so you weren't inside right here.
03:31I was not in there yet.
03:33Um, I told Larry, I do have some business to do to take care of.
03:35And he told me to go in there and do it.
03:37Um, and I told him I will when I get to that point.
03:39Okay.
03:39Well, I'm going to go inside.
03:41His first name's Dustin.
03:42He won't give us any more information.
03:43I'm just going to see, uh, is this the same guy that was here before?
03:46Pretty sure.
03:46No, I'm not.
03:47No.
03:47He's judging he's not.
03:48So I don't.
03:48I know the other guy.
03:49And that's why I, I came to Treadwaters today.
03:52Okay.
03:52Uh, can I get your name and badge number?
03:53Hofstra Hoff.
03:54It's right here.
03:58If I didn't ask you, you should just type.
03:59You're filming me, so it's right there.
04:01I am filming you.
04:02Okay.
04:03Can I get a supervisor?
04:04Yes, sir.
04:06Supervisor for what?
04:06I want a supervisor as well on scene.
04:08Absolutely.
04:12So they also do passports here.
04:16No parking.
04:17Fire lane.
04:19But, yeah, they're on a call.
04:21We'll let this one slide.
04:34No, I know the gentleman you guys trespassed the other day.
04:36Okay.
04:37And that's why I came to Treadwaters today.
04:38Okay.
04:39Well, you just said you're treading water.
04:41Why?
04:42Because it's legal.
04:43It's legal.
04:44Okay.
04:44Well, it's not, it's not legal when you film things when people have their personal information.
04:47I have not even been in there yet.
04:49Well, I don't know that.
04:50That's what the other officer's here to figure out, right?
04:51That's fine.
04:53And I can still, I.
04:54Were you here the other day with that other guy?
04:55I was not here.
04:56Okay.
04:56Well, with that said, with that said, let me finish.
04:59Okay.
04:59With that said, he was filming.
05:01Yeah.
05:01When people had their checkbook out and their credit card.
05:03But that's still legal.
05:04That's still legal.
05:04It is not.
05:05It is.
05:06They have the right management right to say that you're not allowed here.
05:08There is no expectation to privacy in public areas.
05:12Okay.
05:12At the post office, which is federally, correct?
05:14Yes, public.
05:16Okay, public, but it's federal, but they have their laws and they have their rights.
05:19Yes.
05:19They have their rights to protect their customers.
05:21Yes.
05:22Well, that's their protection they should do.
05:24As long as I'm in there.
05:25I came behind you and was filming your credit card.
05:28It's your right.
05:29No, it's not.
05:30It's your right to film.
05:31You have expectation of privacy.
05:32You do not in public.
05:33Yes, you do.
05:34So, Hoff just said nobody has privacy in public.
05:37You have expectation of your own privacy with your own stuff.
05:39You don't.
05:39Yes, you do, sir.
05:40You don't.
05:44So, am I being detained still?
05:46Did that officer say stay right here?
05:47He told me I was detained.
05:48Okay.
05:49Well, you're not detained.
05:50You're being stopped in first.
05:51Okay.
05:51So, I'm going to walk to the side of the building and you know where I'm at.
05:54So, he comes back.
05:55Okay.
05:55And then we'll figure out.
05:56Then I'm detained.
05:56If I'm not detained, I'm free to walk.
05:58You're detained right now.
05:59Okay.
05:59Because we're figuring out what's going on.
06:00Okay.
06:01Is that the supervisor right there?
06:03I can't see.
06:04I can't see.
06:07No, it's not.
06:08Okay.
06:08I'm going to walk over here and get the car information.
06:10Okay.
06:10It's car 10.
06:11Car 10.
06:14So, we've got three cops here currently from Forest Park.
06:16I am being detained.
06:18We'll see how it goes today out here.
06:26Hi there.
06:27How's your day going?
06:28Hi, Officer Havigan.
06:29Officer Havigan.
06:29He said he's here just to stir the pot.
06:32Can I get your name and badge number?
06:33No, you can have my name.
06:34Officer Havigan.
06:36Yes.
06:37Can I get your name and badge number?
06:38You can have my name, Officer Havigan.
06:40Badge number?
06:40No, you don't need it.
06:42Okay.
06:42So, you are allowed in there.
06:45Yeah.
06:46There's nothing wrong with that.
06:47But if you are causing disturbance to others, you know, then it does become disorderly conduct,
06:52all that stuff.
06:53So, you can.
06:54But if I don't say a word to anyone, I'm just filming.
06:56I go do a transaction.
06:57Yeah.
06:58It's all legal.
06:59Yeah.
06:59You can do that if that's how you want to do it.
07:01Okay.
07:01All right.
07:02So, my understanding is you're not allowed to film.
07:04Oh, I actually talked to Larry.
07:05He says I can.
07:06I told him I had business.
07:07I've got a print out from the Postmaster General that says you can.
07:11And that's a lie.
07:12I can record.
07:12There's a poster 7 in there that says lobbies and foyers and everything.
07:15No, because that's where they're conducting business.
07:17It doesn't matter.
07:18It doesn't matter.
07:19It doesn't matter.
07:20There's no explanation to privacy in public.
07:21It does.
07:22It doesn't.
07:22No, that's not true.
07:23But I am going to go in there and film.
07:24Well, if you do go in there and film, then you probably will be arrested.
07:27I'm just giving you a hug.
07:27Well, then you might as well just stay here because I'm about to go do my transaction now
07:29and film it at the same time.
07:30Okay.
07:31Okay.
07:32Because Larry told me to go in there and do my transaction.
07:36Okay.
07:37I think we're talking about two different scenarios.
07:39Okay.
07:40If you want to film your own...
07:41I'm going to film the whole time while in the lobby.
07:43Okay.
07:45Slow down for a second.
07:46If you're going to film your own transaction and you're going to go in, you're going to do
07:49your business, and you're going to leave, okay...
07:51Well, I'm not going to leave right away.
07:52I'm going to stay around and do some more filming.
07:55But inside there...
07:57There are people inside of there that are conducting business.
07:59It's legal.
08:00It isn't.
08:01It is.
08:01Okay.
08:01All right.
08:02Well, there was a way to figure that out.
08:04Okay.
08:05So, am I undetained currently?
08:07What?
08:08Did you want to talk to a supervisor?
08:09You got one coming still?
08:10Yep.
08:11Okay.
08:11Then I'll hang out for a minute until he gets here.
08:16We'll have him.
08:17We're okay.
08:22That's just like courthouses and anything else.
08:24As long as I don't enter restricted areas, there's no expectation to privacy in public.
08:32Anything that has to do with customer service when I'm in a lobby recording is for the post
08:36office to make sure that if anybody's in there recording, they cannot see it.
08:40Well, as we were trying to explain to you, when people are in there, there is private
08:44information.
08:45Yes.
08:45And that's the post office's concern to make sure that none of that's seen from me standing
08:51in the back just recording around the walls or whatever I can see from public eye.
08:55Because if I can see their card from public eye, who's not saying that I can't get it just
08:59by looking at it?
09:01Well, yeah.
09:01You see what I'm saying?
09:02So there's no difference between me looking at something or my camera just zooming around
09:06looking at stuff.
09:07Well, no, your camera, because it's recorded.
09:08Now you're up to speed.
09:09Now you're able to capture it.
09:10But there is no...
09:12Yeah, there is.
09:13And if he's...
09:15I'm sure he knows which car's mine, so that's cool.
09:18Neil got the rest of my information off that, so...
09:20Yep.
09:22I'm hoping you guys know which car's mine.
09:25Well, we'll figure it out.
09:34Are you a resident in Forest Park?
09:36I am not.
09:37I was told you guys have some bad police department and some, you know, rude cops.
09:40Yeah.
09:41So I figured I'd come out here and try this out.
09:43Oh, okay.
09:43And this ain't my last stop today, just so you guys do know, in Forest Park.
09:47Your city hall's calling my name now, too.
09:49Oh, they're calling your name?
09:51Yeah.
09:51They called you?
09:52No.
09:52To go record.
09:53Oh, okay.
09:54See, you know, I just do, you know, public places wherever I can record.
09:58And now that I had this interaction with you guys, now you guys are aware of where my next stop
10:01will be.
10:02That's awesome.
10:07Is this the only, uh, post office in Forest Park limits?
10:10Yep.
10:10Okay.
10:11Okay.
10:11I wasn't sure.
10:23So, what do you do for a living?
10:25Uh, I'm an independent journalist.
10:27Independent journalist?
10:28Yep.
10:28I do work with an actual rep and roll station, um, on the side.
10:32A rock and roll station, you said?
10:34No, rep and roll.
10:35Oh, rep and roll.
10:36Like, well-known news station.
10:37And I do some independent work for one of those on the side.
10:39I actually just got done, before I came here, uh, doing a news story for a fire over, uh, in
10:46Kennedy Heights area.
10:47Okay.
10:48Um, and then that's where I ran into, uh, a buddy of mine that is, uh, the, uh, you know,
10:53independent also.
10:54You know?
10:55And he told me he was out here just recording, and you guys showed up, uh, what was it?
10:58I think he told me, Black Friday.
11:00I don't know what that was.
11:01Um, and he had a, uh, issue with this, and this, and it's, it's a learning process.
11:06All this is.
11:07For the post office and for the police departments.
11:11Yep.
11:16The more you know.
11:17It is.
11:21As long as I don't enter any unrestricted areas, anything I can record from a public eye, you know, public
11:26area.
11:28Again, we've already explained that part.
11:30That's not, you can't just record anything.
11:32Yeah, you can.
11:33And the supervisor will say the same thing.
11:35Well, if you want to record people's personal information in there, and if you think that's okay, have at it,
11:40okay?
11:42Uh, do you have a card on you?
11:44For what?
11:44Like my, like a business card?
11:45Yeah.
11:46Sure.
11:46Can I get it?
11:47Sure.
11:47Do you have one too, sir?
11:49It's probably the same one I do.
11:52But don't have your guys' names on them?
11:54I put my name on it.
11:55Oh, I thought it had your guys' names on it.
11:56Some police departments have their names on their cards.
11:58So.
12:00Thank you, sir.
12:02Thank you, sir.
12:03And I want his too.
12:04And I'll get supervisor when he gets you.
12:22Can I get a business card?
12:23I don't have any business card.
12:24You don't have any?
12:25Thank you, sir.
12:25You want my last name on my budget?
12:27That's fine.
12:33I don't have any business card.
12:38I don't have any business card.
12:40I don't have any business card.
12:42I don't have any business card.
12:44I don't have any business card.
12:44I don't have any business card.
12:45I don't have any business card.
12:45I don't have any business card.
12:46I don't have any business card.
12:46I don't have any business card.
12:47I don't have any business card.
12:48I don't have any business card.
12:49I don't have any business card.
12:51I don't have any business card.
12:52I don't have any business card.
13:11is this the supervisor hey supervisor how are you doing today I'm good can I get your name and badge
13:16number okay do you have a card on you too no sir all right thank you so I think we've
13:22came to
13:22a collusion I'm okay with legal recording here um he said told me I couldn't record in there which
13:26is a lie um anything I can record from public view I can record in public um so at this
13:33point
13:33like I told them if it's okay with you guys I'm gonna go in finish doing my walk around I'm
13:37gonna
13:37go in and buy my stamp and I'm gonna stay around for a little bit do some more recording and
13:41then
13:41get out of here probably about 20 minutes or so okay I'm not gonna debate with you argue about
13:47anything but if you interfere with the normal operation right the post office right you could
13:53potentially be arrested and I haven't when I got here and that I'm not I don't want to argue with
13:57you yes sir I hear you know what you're doing all that kind of stuff do your business whatever it
14:01is that you are going to do just don't interfere with the normal operation yes sir of the post
14:06office yes sir so we're all clear I'm being undetained I don't think you ever were he told
14:10me I was detained because we didn't know if he was the other guy or not oh okay we dealt
14:15with
14:15the same different guy that he's so we will call that it was the same guy that was here not
14:20too long
14:20nope so thank you thank you so they also do passports here so want me to get door for you