00:00 Yesterday, we broke a story on our television channel, ARY,
00:06 we told the story in detail.
00:09 The news is that the previous government of the Pakistan Democratic Movement, the government of the PDM,
00:16 during its 16 months, viewers, during its 16 months, I will repeat,
00:24 10 billion ads have been given to the media.
00:30 How much is 10 billion? 1000 crores.
00:33 How many lakhs are there in 1000 crores? How many thousands are there?
00:37 How many zeros are there in front of it?
00:39 You can sit and calculate it yourself.
00:44 And Maryam Aurangzeb was the minister there,
00:48 there was a secretary, a PAO, and the rest of the staff was present.
00:53 So when this news came out, obviously, a lot of questions arose.
00:58 When the PDM government was formed in April 2022,
01:04 one of the statements that they put the most emphasis on, hammered it,
01:10 was that the outgoing government ate everything, destroyed the economy,
01:16 and now we don't even have enough money to run our daily affairs.
01:23 And you must remember, Mr. Shabaz Sharif claimed that if we had to sell clothes,
01:28 we would do it.
01:30 The country we go to, they think we have come to ask for it,
01:34 because we have nothing, we have no one.
01:36 So these 10 billion ads, viewers, 10 billion rupees,
01:41 1000 crores, and if I'm not mistaken, in a crore, there's 100 lakhs.
01:47 You can guess how much money this is, how big this amount is.
01:53 But we will also remind you,
01:58 what happened when they were there,
02:01 and especially when it came to getting elections,
02:04 they said that we have no money,
02:06 and they asked for 14.5 billion rupees, but they refused.
02:10 Let's listen to their statements.
02:11 If you give money, make no mistake, nobody can give money,
02:15 unless there is a process and procedure followed, as per the constitution and the law.
02:19 We need a fair environment to get elections.
02:22 We need a certain budget to get elections.
02:25 We are going through some very tough times, nationally speaking,
02:29 so we will not be able to provide funds for elections.
02:37 Hassan Ayyub is in London right now.
02:40 Not Nandan, viewers, I said London,
02:43 he is in London right now,
02:45 because we are celebrating Defence Day,
02:48 so what we are going to take from London, we will tell you later.
02:51 And of course, Chaudhary Ghulam Sahin is with us, as always.
02:55 First of all, Hassan, I will come to you.
02:57 You tell us, in the last few days,
03:00 in a program, this was your insistence,
03:03 your news was the same, your analysis was the same,
03:06 that if someone can put the national economy back on track,
03:11 that is called a contractor.
03:13 If a political party wants to do the national economy again,
03:17 then that is Pakistan Muslim League, and they are going to come into power.
03:20 So, the common people in Pakistan...
03:23 I disputed this.
03:25 I will come to you, Mr. Jai.
03:27 Now, the people want to know,
03:29 that the contractor is saying, make no mistake,
03:32 if you don't give us permission, we won't give you money.
03:35 Now, this 10 billion rupees,
03:38 and on the other hand, viewers, and Hassan, you know,
03:41 that we have to give a relief of 15 billion to the people,
03:45 in electricity bills,
03:47 for that we have to beg the IMF,
03:50 the present government, which is so stuck.
03:53 So, Mr. Dard didn't know,
03:55 because the money comes from the finance ministry, I think,
03:57 the national exchequer,
03:59 which is the main treasury of the present government.
04:01 So, what was the reason?
04:03 What was the reason for running the publicity campaign?
04:05 What big work did they do?
04:07 Yes, Hassan.
04:09 Thank you very much.
04:11 Mr. Khabar, this is basically about 250 crore rupees,
04:16 which are made,
04:18 250 crore rupees,
04:20 this is the money of the previous government,
04:22 the government's money.
04:24 They paid for 2021.
04:27 If you see,
04:29 apart from this,
04:31 your farmer's package youth program,
04:33 BISP,
04:35 and all the other attached departments,
04:38 if you include all these advertisements,
04:40 it basically goes through the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting.
04:44 So, yes,
04:46 there is no other opinion on this.
04:49 But there is also a part of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
04:52 and you cannot neglect that part.
04:55 These were the old payments,
04:57 of 250 crore rupees,
04:59 which they paid,
05:01 2.5 billion rupees.
05:03 So, 7.5 billion is left behind.
05:05 If you talk about 7.5 billion,
05:07 then there is also about 3-4 billion rupees,
05:09 which they actually paid,
05:11 in which your floods came,
05:13 and with regards to floods,
05:15 the international donors you met,
05:17 so all the advertisements and expenses are included in it.
05:19 So, these are all things,
05:21 but still, we are a poor nation,
05:23 and we have economic difficulties,
05:25 so we should avoid the unnecessary expenses.
05:28 If we have raised our voice,
05:30 we should raise our voice.
05:32 As you know, I have a lot of love for Maryam Aurangzeb.
05:35 And I want things like this to come to light,
05:39 but this is not something so solid,
05:41 that I can comment on.
05:43 Absolutely right, you said.
05:45 Just before coming to the program,
05:47 I spoke to Mr. Fawad Chowdhury,
05:49 who is the former Information Minister.
05:51 I told him to come to the program,
05:53 and we will talk to you,
05:55 but he said that he is not coming to the television channels.
05:57 He said that in our time,
05:59 we had made a law,
06:01 that whatever releases are to be made,
06:03 will be made in the same month,
06:05 as the releasing orders are.
06:07 He is also saying that when this news came out,
06:09 the former government said that
06:11 the amount that is put on our head,
06:13 is 8 billion rupees,
06:15 which was the government of the last 3 years,
06:17 10 months,
06:19 and it was the government of the last 3 years.
06:21 But anyways,
06:23 this is an argument being made.
06:25 If you remember,
06:27 our media ma'am also said that
06:29 we will not give our workers a salary,
06:31 until the government pays us.
06:33 You will have to pay us.
06:35 Then they had to pay us.
06:37 Let's move on.
06:39 Mr. Chowdhury, Hassan is admitting
06:41 that this is a waste of money,
06:43 and he has also said that
06:45 his love for Maryam Aurangzeb,
06:47 and the professionalism that he is talking about,
06:49 is his relationship with her.
06:51 Mr. Chowdhury, what do you think?
06:53 You are old in journalism,
06:55 you have also run your newspaper for some time,
06:57 do you know what kind of a car this is?
06:59 I have run it for some time,
07:01 a little while.
07:03 So tell me,
07:05 how extraordinary is this incident?
07:07 In such a short period of time,
07:09 in such a large number of advertisements,
07:11 and it is on the record,
07:13 we are not saying,
07:15 that this is a waste of money.
07:17 Yes, yes.
07:19 Such a large amount of money,
07:21 10,000 rupees,
07:23 in a year or two or three months,
07:25 is a very extraordinary incident.
07:27 And they believe in this.
07:29 And then they have given a lot of people,
07:31 their workers,
07:33 their employees,
07:35 their servants,
07:37 and have been giving them
07:39 unfair donations.
07:41 So this is not a way.
07:43 There is no way.
07:45 The PTI was not ready to give anything
07:47 to its people.
07:49 In fact,
07:51 there is no balance.
07:53 And our friends,
07:55 who have just reached London,
07:57 in the cold winds,
07:59 Mr. Hassan Ayyub,
08:01 they think that this is 10,000 rupees.
08:03 Mr. Chowdhury, the AC is on here too.
08:05 The AC is on.
08:07 They should spend
08:09 this much more.
08:11 Because,
08:13 secondly,
08:15 Mr. Khawar Govind,
08:17 congratulations to you.
08:19 You have made a big story.
08:21 And credit goes to you.
08:23 We have found out that
08:25 there are more big Aryans
08:27 coming in the future.
08:29 Yes, yes, there are many big Aryans.
08:31 And the way all these campaigns
08:33 are going on in the coming days,
08:35 we will keep you informed
