00:00 Recently, Jugnu Mohsen Sahiba was with PMLN,
00:05 she was a free fighter, later she joined Noon League.
00:08 During an interview, she made a claim,
00:11 I didn't understand it, I would like to hear it from you.
00:15 Take Jugnu Mohsen Sahiba online.
00:18 In my circle, everyone knows that in the last 16 months,
00:25 the government that has just left PDM,
00:27 they gave 1 billion rupees to each MLA.
00:32 In Punjab, we say, "Epinaya paisa si, mang pin ke liya si, IMF ko no."
00:38 And they did this because they had to pay the MLA's
00:44 for the election to keep them with them.
00:48 They had to bribe them to keep the coalition together.
00:54 Mr. Chaudhary, we are trying to contact Jugnu Mohsen Sahiba,
00:58 if we can contact her, we will definitely take her comment.
01:01 But viewers, this tradition has been going on since 1980s,
01:05 especially since the time of General Zia,
01:07 that this kind of money is distributed.
01:10 Now, Hassan, what comment can we make on this?
01:12 That 1 billion rupees, you or Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Sain are not accusing this.
01:17 Obviously, he is a sitting member, he is related to Noon League,
01:21 especially with Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
01:24 his husband has been meeting him a lot.
01:30 So, what is the logic behind this?
01:33 If you had given so much money,
01:35 then you could have gone to the elections,
01:39 and then you could have played a game there.
01:40 You are not going there either.
01:42 It is a very sad thing.
01:45 You know that in the world,
01:47 the members of parliament are given the Tarkati funds,
01:52 but this is basically a municipality's job,
01:54 the local governments should be strengthened.
01:58 Your council should be strengthened,
01:59 the Union Council, Village Council,
02:01 or your district council, or MCIs,
02:04 they should be strengthened and the budget should go there.
02:07 In reality, the same thing has come,
02:09 that you have taken the funds from the province
02:13 under the Subah-e-Khud-Muqtari,
02:15 now the province does not give it to the district.
02:17 When it does not go to the district,
02:18 then it does not work at the district level,
02:20 or at the city level.
02:22 So, it is very unfortunate that this should be strengthened.
02:26 And I will tell you a very interesting thing.
02:28 The Noon League or the PDM,
02:30 which gave the Tarkati funds to the number of parliaments,
02:35 the chairman Tarik Khan started giving four times more funds
02:38 when the vote of no confidence came against him.
02:41 So, at that time, they also opened their mouths.
02:43 I remember that our team...
02:45 No, listen to me, Hassan Goh.
02:46 I was sitting with them.
02:48 You listen to me.
02:49 The useless people, the useless party, they left.
02:51 Those useless people gave four times more money.
02:55 I have got it, I will also take the name,
02:57 then you will mind a little.
02:58 No, no, you will not mind at all.
03:00 I said that Khan has adopted a very good strategy.
03:02 I said, what strategy has Khan sir applied?
03:05 He said that Khan has opened the mouth of the treasury.
03:08 All the members of the parliament,
03:10 whoever comes to ask, he says, this is my work, he says, done.
03:13 He is being given approval for every work,
03:15 everyone is being given money.
03:17 Leave it.
03:18 No, no, Jai Hind sir.
03:19 He gave money, 30 people left him and went.
03:21 Jai Hind sir, I am coming to that.
03:23 He is so useless that he could not keep other people despite giving funds.
03:26 He is very useless.
03:27 That's why the whole country is with that party.
03:31 And now they are standing, crying.
03:33 I also ask for being useless.
03:35 I am completely disagreeing with you on this.
03:37 Hassan, I...
03:38 You say one thing, Hassan, we do not have any work.
03:42 We do not have any work.
03:43 To attack them all the time.
03:45 No, no, we are not attacking.
03:47 Jai Hind sir, you...
03:48 You talk to yourself, I will talk to myself.
03:50 You get angry.
03:51 No, no, I do not get angry.
03:52 Hassan, wait a minute.
03:53 I will ask Chaudhary Ghulam Sahin sir.
03:55 Chaudhary Ghulam Sain sir, now this is an argument.
03:57 Now, how much money was given, that is on the record.
04:02 Because, Hassan, we have on the record things.
04:05 That the biggest problem,
04:08 we covered in the report, Chaudhary Ghulam Sain sir also knows this.
04:12 That his MNAs and everyone had the biggest complaint that
04:16 we do not have work.
04:17 We do not get our MNAs, our Patwari,
04:19 our Taseeldar, our DPO.
04:21 And this was the biggest problem.
04:23 So, Jai Hind sir, now the problem,
04:25 the question we want to talk about,
04:28 that this tradition that is going on,
04:32 the way the money has been distributed,
04:34 do you see any accountability on this?
04:38 The Nigrahan government, they are hearing a lot of claims.
04:40 The other day, the Nigrahan minister of interest also came to us.
04:43 Mr. Kakar is also saying this.
04:44 So, this 10 billion rupees,
04:48 or whatever money is there before that,
04:50 will there be any accountability on this?
04:51 That, tell us, where did the money go?
04:53 What method was adopted?
04:55 Where did it go?
04:56 Did it go on the ground or not?
04:57 Yes, there has been no accountability on this till now.
05:02 So, where will it be today?
05:04 You leave it, you go to the election,
05:07 you don't want to get that done either.
05:09 Okay, Hassan, yesterday I was watching,
05:13 our friend, Mr. Faisal Wada,
05:16 he was saying that all the political parties
05:21 use the words,
05:23 I cannot use them on my television,
05:24 on my program, at least.
05:26 Of course, he is a former minister.
05:28 Mashallah, his access is available everywhere.
05:32 He is coming on the media.
05:33 So, what you are saying,
05:35 he is saying something a little different from you.
05:37 Not a little, but he is saying something very different.
05:39 He is saying that all these are dirty eggs.
05:42 I think I can use the word parliament.
05:45 All these, all the political parties that came to power before,
05:49 he is saying that they are a part of PTI, including me.
05:51 All were selected, all were elected,
05:54 all have failed.
05:56 You should get rid of all of them.
05:58 Now, a new group should come in front of us.
06:00 So, tell us, you are present in London.
06:03 Hopefully, you will meet Tahiyyat Qaid,
06:07 Pakistan Muslim League, Noon.
06:09 So, try to explain to us
06:11 who is in the game and who is out of the game.
06:15 You have asked a very good question.
06:17 The thing is, Mr. Khaur,
06:20 the direction that Faisal Wada is taking the establishment or army,
06:25 the army should not go that way.
06:27 The Chief of Army Staff,
06:29 he is a very pro-democracy.
06:32 He does not have that kind of personality.
06:35 Knowing him,
06:36 the way his profile is written about him,
06:39 looking at that profile, I can say with confidence
06:42 that what Faisal Wada is saying from his perspective,
06:45 there is no such thing.
06:46 Neither is there an opinion of the establishment,
06:47 nor is there a thought of the establishment,
06:48 nor is there a intention to do that.
06:50 But this misconception should not be spread
06:52 that you are scaring all the heads of the establishment,
06:56 that the establishment is going to out you,
06:58 but in reality, it has nothing to do with it.
