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We continue in US to keep analyzing the political and social landscape surrounding these midterm elections. Joining us now is our correspondent, Jorge Gestoso.
Jacqui L'uqman
Leader of the Black Alliance For Peace

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00:13Welcome back. We go back to the topic of the U.S. midterm elections and to continue analyzing the
00:18political and social landscape surrounding these midterm elections let's welcome once more from
00:22Washington DC live our colleague Jorge Gestoso. Welcome Jorge once more to From the South.
00:30Thank you very much Luis Alberto. We are here to help us to put in perspective what is politics and
00:38what's
00:38turning around this midterm selection. We are counting with the presence of Jacqueline Lugman.
00:45She is the organizer of Black Alliance of Peace. Black Alliance of Peace. Jacqueline, welcome and
00:54thanks very much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. Jacqueline,
00:58do you believe that the Democratic Party represents the interest of the working class?
01:06Well, the Democratic Party has not represented the interest of the working class since the
01:12Democratic Leadership Conference, what 30, 40 years ago led by Al Fromm, changed the Democratic Party
01:21platform from one that did support working class struggles and marginalized people's struggles,
01:28particularly the labor section and black people and other marginalized people. But third way politics
01:36was entered into the platform of the Democratic Party and they made a conscious decision to turn to
01:44corporatism and to appeal to moderate Republicans with a tough on crime message and abandon the working class
01:52policies that they were known for. So the Democratic Party has only moved farther and farther to the right in
02:02the
02:02United States. They could we could argue they were a center party some time ago. They were nominally left or
02:11progressive before the third way
02:15policies entered their platform. But now the Democratic Party is a center right party in this country and they don't
02:23represent the
02:24interests of the interests of the working class. They represent the interests of the same class of people that the
02:30Republicans represent. And that's the capitalists.
02:33And what the President Trump call it's the what is it like the the left or the threatening left or
02:43something like that.
02:45Yes. Yes. Yes. And the rhetoric is all it is, because every Republican knows that Democrats are just as committed
02:55to capitalism as they are.
02:57They are just as committed to imperialism and imperialist war as they are. The rhetoric serves to keep the Democratic
03:05Party as a boogeyman in the same way the Democrats use the same rhetoric against Republicans.
03:12But they always work together in a bipartisan fashion to pass legislation that continues to deprive the working class, poor,
03:21racialized, marginalized people in this country of rights, dignity, a decent standard of living and, you know, just basic decent
03:31human rights.
03:32So you've got a far right party in the Republicans. You've got a center right party in the Democrats.
03:39And then you have an actual left that is outside of both of them. And this even includes the so
03:46-called progressives in the Democratic Party.
03:49They do not qualify as left either because they are also committed to capitalism.
03:56And you better know than anyone else what it at least has been reported that happened in the elections that
04:06ended up with Hillary Clinton as a candidate of the Democratic Party.
04:10Bernie Sanders was also running as a candidate. Yes. He's an independent and he was getting much, much more support
04:20than Hillary Clinton. Yes.
04:22As a magic art, they put him aside because it was too far left for the interests of the Democratic
04:32Party and was wiped out.
04:36So that happened with Hillary Clinton. And then it repeated with Joe Biden. Yes.
04:43So even if there are some people ready to move the needle to the left, the whatever, the status quo
04:53is let's don't make waves.
04:55Yes, that that is absolutely true. Even the progressives that and the Democratic Socialists that that Trump and even Democrats,
05:03because James Carville, a key Democratic strategist, has come out and said he would rather have another Trump administration.
05:11He would rather lose to Trump than to have the Democratic Party, quote unquote, taken over by the crazy Democratic
05:18Socialists and the Muslims.
05:20But these people are not actual socialists. They do not want to destroy capitalism. They do not want a different
05:28economic system. They want more humane capitalism. But that humanity or that more humane capitalism never extends to ending war.
05:41It never extends to ending imperialism. This is what I think will happen with this election.
05:47I think that the Democrats will win some seats from Republicans. I think that will happen. But as far as
05:54foreign policy is concerned, nothing is going to change. The Democrats are not going to do anything to release President
06:01Maduro and first combatant Celia Flores.
06:04The Democrats will do nothing to do anything to increase in the Democrats. The Democrats will do nothing to end
06:08the genocide and the oppression in Congo. They will do nothing to end what is going on in Sudan.
06:15They will do nothing to end the attacks on the AES. They will do nothing to stop Israel from colonizing
06:22Lebanon. They will do nothing to stop Israel from continuing the genocide in Palestine.
06:28they will not stop bombing it on.
06:31There are people that are very, very tough in terms of denouncing what they see in the foreign policy of
06:40the U.S.
06:41They say, regardless what political party is at the helm, Democrats or Republicans,
06:51there's always the same horse running by a different rider.
06:56But the horse is just the same.
06:58Absolutely.
06:59Do you agree?
06:59That is absolutely true.
07:01And unfortunately for us in the United States, we disconnect ourselves from foreign policy because we don't know it.
07:08We're not taught it.
07:09We don't learn the history of our own country in our public schools.
07:15So we do not know.
07:17We don't understand imperialism and colonization and colonialism.
07:21We don't understand that these things are not just historically the foundation of this country.
07:26But also is at the root of every evil that is going on in the world right now.
07:32The same principles behind Zionism are settler colonialism.
07:36That is imperialism.
07:38And I have a final question for you, Jacqueline.
07:40We have seen a strong advance of the foreign right in Latin America.
07:45And again, the toughest critics on the new policy of the Monroe Doctrine 2.0,
07:53they said clearly Latin America is reliving a new chapter of colonialism or neocolonialism.
08:04Your thoughts.
08:05Yes, that's absolutely true.
08:07And Trump and Rubio and others in the administration, and even those outside of the administration,
08:12Eric Prince, the owner of, what is it, Black Water?
08:17Yes.
08:18He flat out said Africa needs to be re-colonized because they cannot govern themselves.
08:25And many in the United States agree with these things because they don't understand what colonization
08:30and imperialism and settler colonialism are.
08:33And as long as they are comfortable here, you know, as long as their physical, material comforts
08:40are stable, many people in this country really do not care what this government does to other
08:47people around the world.
08:48So the final, final thought.
08:50Yes, yes.
08:51What is the bottom line of this election?
08:54The bottom line of this election is the true nature of both parties is being exposed quite
09:02clearly.
09:03We always understood what the Republicans are.
09:05Now people should be able to see very clearly what the Democratic Party really is, especially
09:10now, since one of them has endorsed a Trump Republican.
09:15Yes.
09:16So people should be able to see that the Democratic Party is not a lesser evil.
09:22It's just an evil with a different color.
09:24And what we have to do, those of us who are truly anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist, actual
09:32socialists, what we have to do is step our organizing up so we can reach more of those people.
09:39Because voting is fine.
09:41I don't want to condemn people or encourage people not to vote, especially for local and
09:46municipal elections.
09:48But there has to be organizing, movement, and plans and more after election.
09:56Fine, everybody votes today.
09:58What is everybody going to do tomorrow?
10:01That's my job.
10:03Jacqueline, thanks very much for joining us.
10:05Thank you so much for having me.
10:07We were talking with Jacqueline Lukman, precisely to help us to put in perspective what is the
10:13nitty-gritty of the American politics.
10:17And now we get back to you in studio.
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