00:00Then he went on about, well, making the playoffs against Houston.
00:03That was a really fun trip, wasn't it?
00:05I'm like, why don't we dump it on the playoffs here?
00:07Which Lyman said he was, I was like, why didn't you come with me on the whoa?
00:11And Lyman was like, I was just so disgusted in his answer.
00:14Yeah, for him to downplay what going to the playoffs would mean
00:17just because he doesn't like the quarterback,
00:20that just seems ridiculous considering how few playoff opportunities
00:24this fan base has had, how few Decembers that we have had
00:28actually rooting for a team in a playoff run,
00:30how very few games we've had in that stadium
00:33where fans can get juiced about being able to keep playing football
00:37while our rivals, in this case it would be like Baltimore, is left out.
00:42That stuff is huge for this fan base.
00:44I don't think you can discount it just because it's not the quarterback of the future.
00:48There's a lot of teams that go to the playoffs every year
00:50that don't have their quarterback of the future.
00:52I don't think you're going to disagree with me on this.
00:55If you said, Kenny, you can make the playoffs,
00:58and you can even lose, you know what, you're going to make the playoffs,
01:01you're going to lose in the wild card run.
01:03And then you are forced to cut both Shador Sanders and Deshaun Watson.
01:08I'd still say sign me up for the playoffs.
01:10And you know why?
01:12It's not based on heart or excitement with the fan base or anything like that
01:17because I don't think that every, I do not believe that every playoff run
01:21is built the same.
01:252023, if we're all being honest with each other,
01:27like I know there were a lot of fans who wanted Joe Flacco to come back,
01:30and me and Lima kept telling you, he ain't coming back.
01:33They're not bringing him back.
01:34And you know why, and I know why,
01:36and deep down, the people listening, they knew why too.
01:39They didn't want to believe it.
01:41It felt like we were getting out of Brown's prison.
01:43It felt like we had a furlough from Brown's prison.
01:46And we knew we were going right back to it.
01:48We had no faith in Deshaun Watson and ended up being true.
01:52You knew it was going to be probably a one-and-done venture.
01:572020, why you were so upset with everything that happened in 2021?
02:01It's like, man, we just got our bleep together.
02:03We got this good young nucleus of players.
02:06We got this quarterback who's back on track after a disastrous 2019.
02:11And then things went crazy in 2021, as they're want to do.
02:15And then we all acted crazy.
02:17Baker was crazy.
02:18The Browns were crazy.
02:19We were crazy, the whole thing.
02:22That's why that hurt so badly.
02:24Because we are now putting to bed the careers of guys who were greats.
02:31Joel Batonio could have been a Hall of Famer had we stayed the course.
02:35Denzel Ward could be a Hall of Famer had we stayed the course.
02:38Nick Chubb, what does his legacy look like had we stayed the course?
02:43Miles Garrett, what's his status now with the Cleveland Browns had we stayed the course?
02:47I'll tell you why I changed my mind on this now.
02:52Because I got one of the youngest teams in the NFL.
02:54And what the playoffs does, it helps you trust.
02:58It doesn't guarantee trust.
03:00It helps you trust.
03:02If I had a team that I thought was going to vie for the number one overall pick,
03:07that people were saying, Kenny, you're really saying five wins, really?
03:11Where do you see five wins there?
03:12Or, oh, just because of the scheduling game?
03:14If you make the playoffs, how much better does this roster look?
03:18And then I look at it and I go, what situation would a rookie want to be dropped into?
03:24Our situation as a playoff team, borderline playoff team, or the Cardinals?
03:30Or the Dolphins?
03:31Or the Jets who can't get out of their own way?
03:34Oh, they got draft picks.
03:35The Jets will always have draft picks.
03:37It's the Jets.
03:39Which situation would you rather be dropped into?
03:42Here.
03:43And now, remember, we have quarterbacks now in the NFL, or going into the NFL,
03:48they have options.
03:50They have power over their own future.
03:54They can go back, they can decide to come out,
03:55and you know and I know we're just waiting for the time
03:57where there's somebody with not the last name of Manning
04:00who goes, no, I'm not playing for you.
04:04You can make the pick, I'm not going to play for you.
04:06I will go back, I will tell you right now in December,
04:09Arizona, Miami, whoever it might be,
04:11you take me number one overall,
04:12you plan on taking me number one overall,
04:14I'm just going back to college.
04:16Alright?
04:17So they have agency over their own futures.
04:19And then I look at it and go,
04:21hey, I got a good coaching staff here.
04:23I have risen Deshaun Watson's career from the dead
04:27to somewhat palatable.
04:29I've put salt in the dish.
04:31The same thing in so many ways,
04:32not from the dead,
04:34but I've made Shador Sanders a better quarterback here.
04:37Why can't I take it and bump it up a couple of notches
04:40and then bring up another quarterback and say,
04:42hey, if they were able to do it with those guys
04:43where there are people out there that can't stand either of them,
04:46can't stand one or the other,
04:47why can't I do it with somebody else
04:49if I have this coaching staff?
04:51It buys some legitimacy.
04:53It buys some trust.
04:55It's not just about, rah, rah,
04:57I just want to feel good for a moment.
04:58I'm not even doing just that.
04:59Like, yeah, it feels good to be in the postseason.
05:03But not every postseason run is built the same.
05:05And I can look at it and go,
05:05man, look at this roster here.
05:07We made the postseason.
05:08I got this guy looking good, that guy looking good.
05:10Like, we got something here.
05:11And if we just drop the right QB in there,
05:12we could be doing really well.
05:14Like, I look at Ty Simpson, I go,
05:15we don't have anywhere near the trust that the Rams do.
05:18But the moment the Rams took Ty Simpson,
05:21my attitude changed, your attitude changed.
05:23A lot of us go, well, they must know what they're doing
05:26and I don't know what I'm doing compared to them
05:27and we'll watch that guy end up being a good quarterback.
05:29Here we are.
05:31It's the way it goes.
05:32So, yeah, the playoffs do matter to me.
05:34Go ahead, Tom.
05:35I just think that there's so many young guys
05:38in this organization.
05:39Don't you want to see them in real games
05:41that matter down the stretch?
05:42Not like the zombie games that we normally have
05:45in the months of late November, December, and so on.
05:48Like, this is a real opportunity to assess players
05:52that are going to be dialed in in real games.
05:56I think that matters.
05:56You're also assessing your coach.
05:58You're assessing everything.
06:00That stuff all matters.
06:01You can't discount that.
06:02Those are added data points for an organization
06:05that cares about all that kind of stuff.
06:06So, to just poo-poo it because they might not have
06:09the quarterback of the future,
06:10that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
06:12And I will say, and I will play a little bit
06:13on the emotions here.
06:15Like, we argue all the time with a fan base
06:17that makes the playoffs all the time.
06:18They don't do anything in the playoffs.
06:20But if you even have that as a baseline,
06:22you know what I don't have to deal with?
06:24People making videos of them saying
06:26they're not going to raise their kids Browns fans.
06:29Like, I don't, I don't, nobody's not raising
06:31their kids Browns fans if you make the playoffs
06:33every year, even if you lose in the first round.
06:35Or if you do, they're going to call you
06:36the biggest idiot who ever lived,
06:38especially if you've lived through the last 20-plus years
06:41of Browns football.
06:41If we made the playoffs several times in a row
06:44and just lost in the wild card,
06:45I don't have people saying they're done buying tickets.
06:47I don't have people calling up and saying things
06:49we have to dump about ownership or the front office
06:52or the coaching staff or us or anything like that.
06:54You don't have that.
06:55You have some frustration of getting to that next level.
06:58But I don't have people just saying
07:00they're not going to be fans of the football team anymore
07:02and they don't want their kids to be fans
07:04of the football team anymore.
07:05So if I play it with football,
07:08it makes sense to be good or to strive to be good.
07:11If I play it with the fan base,
07:13it makes sense to strive to be good.
07:17And the whole, well, what does the playoffs mean?
07:19I mean, that is insane.
07:22So if Jason, and I love Jason, I respect Jason,
07:25so I'm not going to tell him nasty things
07:27when he's not on the air with us anymore.
07:29We've got to focus on what's important here.
07:31And that's why five and four does matter.
07:33That's why finding a way to win
07:35and picking the best quarterback to win does matter.
07:38And if he picks Shador, fine.
07:39But I want it to be his decision
07:41and I want him to believe that it's the best chance
07:43for us to win.
07:44And if that's all there, that's great.
07:46God bless him.
07:47I hope he's right.
07:48But I don't want anybody else to be making that decision
07:50for any other reason.
07:51Well, we've got to see who we have in this guy.
07:53You've got seven games if you lose on Sunday.
07:56How many fifth-round picks get seven games
07:59in the first place?
08:00He got seven last year.
08:01Altogether, if he got seven more,
08:03eight plus seven is 15.
08:05You've got 15 games to work with.
08:07That's more than 97% of fifth-round picks or later.
08:12Easily.
08:12Might be more.
08:13That's a hell of a lot of games.
08:15So the whole kick in the tires thing,
08:17we've got to see this, we've got to see that.
08:19We're going to get plenty of a sample size
08:21if Deshaun goes out there
08:22and sucks up the room on Sunday.
08:24Or if Shador goes out there,
08:26I hope he does well.
08:27I hope it's not just,
08:29oh, let's see what we have.
08:30We've got to try to win these damn things.
08:33Peter King, coming up in five minutes,
08:35it's a legend, he's got a new book out.
08:36Want to ask him about that?
08:38Obviously, what he thinks
08:39of the current Brown situation as well.
08:40The neutral zone with Rat Boy and the Hog, 845.
08:44I think we're still blaming some of the wrong people
08:46when it comes to the Cavs.
08:47It's all coming up.
08:48Don't go anywhere.
08:4992-3.
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