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00:00head out of the wise heart right we make it right call Kyle Wright hotline and welcome on Adam the
00:05bull the bullpen podcast bull welcome back what's up guys how we doing uh we're confused I don't
00:12really know why Todd Munkin couldn't name a starter earlier today what is your best guest
00:19it makes no sense I mean to me it should be obvious I would start your door Sanders the
00:24rest of the way but even if he's gonna make it to Sean Watson then what are you waiting for
00:29oh really you'd go you go your door I would go your door yes oh you know I you know
00:35I love your door
00:35is it baked in your dislike of Deshaun no I listen I've been told I'm a I'm a Shador Sanders
00:43hater so
00:44you know it's just that I listen he didn't do much for three quarters and change as we all know
00:51but
00:51he played really well from for the last half of the fourth quarter in the overtime and at this point
00:57they're five and four I know they're in the mix I get it you don't want to give up I
01:02just don't buy
01:03that that Deshaun Watson gives them much better of a chance to win if at all and so I'd rather
01:08see what
01:08they got from Shador Sanders I think he could play just as well I think he's got more upside than
01:15Deshaun Watson so you gotta find out what you have and if it was if it was so clear that
01:21Deshaun
01:22Watson was better that'd be one thing but I just don't buy that yeah I guess the problem I have
01:26with it
01:27is and you know I'm not a Deshaun defender excuse me uh in any sort of measurement at all I
01:33just
01:33if the roles were reversed Adam and and Shador had gone five and three and it played the way that
01:38Deshaun had and again there's room for Deshaun to be much better than he has been uh but I'd look
01:43at
01:43it I'd be pissed I'd be like wait wait hold on one game one game and he gets benched for
01:47that
01:47and it just I don't know I I you're right if certainly and certainly fans would be angry
01:54but you know nothing's changed here like Deshaun Watson is not the answer he's not the long-term
02:02answer so I get what you're saying I mean listen he was the quarterback they're five and three he's
02:09played better than we expected and they have a chance to make the playoffs so why would you change
02:14but I guess I'm looking at it more that I don't buy they're going to make the playoffs anyway so
02:19why can't I start finding out about the future now so I think that's the difference we have in
02:23this convo I think myself and maybe Nick I'll speak for Nick here for a second I think we still
02:27think the playoffs are within reach you may do it okay good uh so the playoffs are within reach and
02:32as long as the playoffs are within reach I it almost has this like uh go with the girl that
02:36brought your mentality to this whereas I just because once you go to Shador maybe you disagree with
02:40this or not that's it like there's no there's no going back no I agree and I wonder if let's
02:47say
02:47let's say Watson is the starter if they lose this week to the Texans now you're five and five and
02:53you
02:53gotta buy do you then go to Shador the week after that well I think that's what's changed within this
02:58conversation is that the the leash for Deshaun Watson feels like we might be going back to week to week
03:04or
03:04we might be going back to I mean you you got to really play good every single week in order
03:08to
03:08to keep the job that that's the part of the equation that's changed for myself right I think
03:12you know what's funny is that you guys have been two of the bigger Shador supporters in town
03:20way more than me and yet you guys want to stick with Watson and I want to go to Shador
03:26you know and and I get it I get from your perspective like if you if as a fan especially
03:32if you think the
03:33Browns can legitimately make the playoffs which obviously they can I mean they're tied for that last
03:37spot they don't have the tiebreaker right now and most of the teams behind them outside of maybe
03:41the Texans aren't very good but I don't know I just I feel like okay let's say they let's say
03:48Watson does give them a better chance and let's say they do make the playoffs do we really think
03:52they're going to do anything in the playoffs no but I I do think making the playoffs is still an
03:58insane accomplishment and sets Todd Munkin up for success the way I think uh winning and making
04:03the playoffs in in Kevin Stefanski's first season bought him credibility for the years beyond that
04:09he kind of wasted some of our time and Adam that logic flies very close to Nick's logic about why
04:15he didn't want the Guardians in the ALCS because he was like well what can they what can they do
04:19there okay why do we gotta keep bringing it up just a dangerous road to go down is all I'm
04:23saying
04:23Adam just a dangerous road to go down I held a sign up and that's the growth right here the
04:27growth
04:27right here is that he's like Nick will be like I don't care if we get you know stomped in
04:31the
04:31playoffs I want to see us go Nick Wilson's a grower that's what people say about not a shower
04:35but a grower but yeah but here's the difference is that I don't buy that Deshaun now it maybe I'm
04:43being hypocritical because I just made fun of um what's his name your guest last week who said the
04:50Browns would have a better record with Shador Sanders oh every hunt yes and then and now I'm saying well
04:57I don't know that Watson gives them that much better of a chance I just don't think it's a big
05:01a big enough of a difference I don't think you're giving up on the playoffs by playing Shador and if
05:07it was such a no-brainer then why why do you guys think he hasn't didn't announce it today
05:12then he's playing games with the Texans so that could be part of it I also think between the Logan
05:18Ryan comment where Logan said on up and Adams that Deshaun told him he thought he was starting
05:24against the Texans and the Jeremy Fowler report uh saying that uh Deshaun would start it I wonder
05:32if Deshaun's camp jumped the shark and it pissed the Browns off oh interesting you buying yeah I mean
05:40just just the fact guys that in the post game yesterday like obviously he seemed uh Munkett
05:45seemed a little annoyed that he was even asked the question about the quarterback but if like in most
05:51cases in this situation the coach would just go of course Watson's the quarterback he's our starter
05:57he missed the game he's back but he didn't say that yesterday and he didn't obviously say it again
06:02today so it is interesting to see what they decided it's funny earlier today I was you know like I
06:09was
06:09talking with Jay and Jason and G Bush and they all thought they all wanted Sanders to start and you
06:15guys
06:15are opposite so I I thought everybody would be on the same page but I guess not well uh I'm
06:21fed up
06:22with the penalties I am sick of Todd Munkin saying hey let's just hope for the best and we hope
06:28it'll
06:29get better I want a fall guy I have named special teamer Daniel Thomas who did the dumb thing of
06:35uh going out of bounds and coming back and being the first uh guy to touch the ball which uh
06:40forced
06:40a re-kick which was like a 35 yard swing yes he is my fall guy can I get you
06:46on team fall guy for
06:47the penalties yes fire uh I was gonna say fire him because he well he's a player not a coach
06:53but
06:53what about firing the special teams coach is that too drastic yeah I mean that guy's got a family
06:59you know he's got mouths to feed on him I mean that wait a second the other guy's got a
07:03family too
07:03and he's probably making a league minimum this guy's a coach I was being facetious I think Brian
07:08store has actually brought some good things I think the return game is better this year
07:12I do think there are other elements they do make too many formational penalties which is weird
07:17but I think Bohorquez Schmidt and some of the coverage stuff I think has impressed me
07:21you had two formation penalties on special teams I don't think I've ever seen that in an NFL game
07:28oh I'm sure I've seen it at some point with the Browns but that was like uh that was like
07:332017
07:33kind of stuff not not to mention the the 12 man on the field play from last week we also
07:39had the uh
07:39the uh Sunahara Bohorquez failed exchange that cost the Browns a game I don't know if the ledger's
07:46working in his favor no it's yeah exactly exactly so and and then wouldn't it be appropriate if both
07:54Ohio State and the Browns fired their special teams coach in the same week we'll have to find out
07:59what's in store for the Browns uh no that's not nice that's not nice I shouldn't be advocating for
08:04a special teams guy to lose his job based on one weekend well would you trade Jared first if the
08:09opportunity arose in the next 24 hours I wouldn't I I think that's like it's you know you never want
08:16to trade a guy when his value is down I know it's been a disaster for for him the last
08:21couple of weeks
08:22between his talk off the field and his lack of production on the field but the Browns decided
08:28six months ago that he was worth more than a first round pick and I think we were all on
08:34board with
08:34that and I know he he has been a big disappointment but I I think it's a mistake to give
08:40up on him right
08:41now all right speaking of disappointments what do we do about Quinshawn Judkins oh I I think that
08:48you know in the draft or in a free agency next year it's a position the Browns absolutely have to
08:55address so I I don't want to completely give up on him I'm not saying he cut him or anything
09:00he is still coming back off injury but I was in the minority this offseason when everybody was like
09:06all these guys are a hit I wasn't completely sold on Judkins like everybody else was
09:11but obviously he's been way worse than than anyone could have imagined and he he just looks
09:18terrible I mean and yeah you could blame the offensive line for some of that guys but still
09:24we've seen it the great backs will will do will play great sometimes even if the offensive line
09:31stinks I I know you can't be as good as you would be with a good offensive line but yeah
09:36he's he's now
09:37the biggest disappointment from last year's draft and think about it you could have had Tyler Shuck in
09:42that spot yeah I still I don't know I know Tyler Shuck had a couple good moments yesterday I still
09:49don't know he's very good yeah he's just fine I think he's good but then again I wanted to get
09:54rid
09:54of Baker because I thought he was good now Baker's terrible I mean I'd probably take Tyler Shuck over
09:59your current quarterback room but that's I mean I don't know what we're really saying there
10:07yeah two drives yesterday yeah but he's also on a bad team too I don't know I mean he
10:14well that's what's interesting about the Saints though is that the Saints had basically built
10:17their entire team to then pluck a quarterback in and then they plucked the quarterback in and
10:21then decided all of a sudden they have holes everywhere well again defensively they do but
10:25there was supposed to be a lot more offensive talent in this team than what Chuck is getting out of
10:28it well they got good wide receivers but uh I mean they're they're running by me the fact that
10:33Audrick Esther to me that tells you how bad the Browns run defense is that that guy had the game
10:37that he did and how bad their pass their run blocking is considering how bad Audrick was in Cleveland
10:43yeah that's true both you're right what do we do with the run defense
10:50I don't know that there's a clear answer I mean you have guys that are good players playing defensive
10:57tackle you have guys that are good players playing linebacker I mean I think part of it is is
11:03that Mason Graham hasn't been the same player since the injury but I thought he was a little
11:08better yesterday but there's no clear answer because it's not like you're going to replace
11:13the defensive tackle they're pretty good players but yeah I mean I think I think the fact that the
11:19ends have played so poorly is playing is playing a factor in the struggles in the running game
11:26as well because it's much easier to for them you know for the offensive line the other team to
11:33double team the guys in the middle when the guys on the outside are doing nothing and Jeraverse was
11:38supposed to be good against the run he hasn't even been that well I thought Rutenberg bleeped down
11:44his leg yesterday with prevent defense and it's not just prevent defense he was also he called off the
11:49attack dogs in the defensive line uh he suddenly started respecting Tyler Shuck's legs uh I thought
11:55it was him not the players yesterday which is not how I felt most days do you uh concur
12:02yeah I mean well I I can't give a total pass to the players but but I just hate that
12:08we we talk about
12:09this all the time the prevent defense prevents you from winning I don't understand why coaches get
12:15scared you've got to keep your foot on the gas I feel like the good teams do that and we've
12:21seen
12:21this now from the Browns a couple of times where they get cautious it's like oh I don't want to
12:27give up anything big well then you end up letting the team march right down the field maybe you learn
12:32this in sprint football definitely deserves a lot of sprint football and just a bunch of little guys
12:36playing prevent defense what do you know about sprint football do you know anything about sprint
12:39football sprint football yeah so so in the ivies what they have uh they have a league called sprint
12:45football is what it's called you have to be five seven or under in order to play and it's a
12:50whole
12:50organized football league for people that are basically too tiny to play real football really and
12:55Wootenberg play yeah are you serious like a big no I swear it's like the CBA for football big time
13:02sprint football player wow I mean I just missed I'm like five eight you would be you would be a
13:09giant
13:10in that game I need to hang around with those guys that look super tall who invented Andre the giant
13:16over here is what they'd be saying I'm gonna tackle you that's what they also do also have a maximum
13:23weight limit though so like you gotta you keep going keep going Jonathan I'm furious it's 178 pounds
13:30I'm not hitting it either that is what is it 178 yeah 178 I think I think they they put
13:36it up to
13:36183 at one point is what it looks like it says on behalf of men are five seven or lower
13:43and under
13:43180 pounds and that is that is with a with a minimum of five percent body fat depending on the
13:50league guidelines in certain spots I guess is there anybody at the radio station that could play in that
13:56league maybe jacks
14:00why is not shorter than five why what hits the height requirement yeah yeah yeah there's nobody
14:08poor jackson Ken's right arm couldn't play in that one yeah here's my problem the fact that there's
14:14if the weight limit was like 250 I'd get it I'm sorry they're like that that was the weight max
14:19I'd get
14:20it 183 pounds like short fat guys have a tough enough life now you're not gonna play football
14:29Nick short fat guy we can't even get clothes man you go in the big and tall store it's all
14:35for tall
14:35fat guys and all guys there's nothing for sure and I don't have a complaint about that do you want
14:40to
14:40know a list of some famous sprint football players all yes please uh Robert Robert Kraft played
14:47no he didn't I swear to you Robert Kraft played uh at Columbia University around that long that
14:53guy's like 107 this thing was started like the 1930s yeah wow well I don't know if you know this
14:58every season for Robert Kraft and sprint football ended with a happy ending no
15:05because he was happy he played guys come on that's all that's all that's it who are some of the
15:10other
15:10people uh it says Jimmy Carter played Jimmy Carter he was under 5'8 I didn't know that he played
15:16for
15:16the U.S. Naval Academy I'm gonna tell you I thought he was 5'10 I don't know I it
15:21looks like at times
15:22there's they play fast and loose with the height thing here is kind of what I guarantee you not the
15:27weight thing they played no no no that one they've been very strong about pretty adamant on that you
15:31gotta be you gotta be 182 somewhere around there or five percent body fat bull there's a lot of
15:36Stephen Kwan stuff out there between Kwan and Bybee do you think the Guardians will trade other guy
15:43I I think the problem with trading I I think they would trade Kwan if this was a normal offseason
15:51the problem is with all these teams not knowing if there's going to be a year
15:55if you're another team are you giving up anything for Kwan and then he maybe never plays for you or
16:00plays half the season because I think a Kwan if the if I were the Guardians I would sign Kwan
16:07if you can't do that and I just don't understand what he's looking for because to me you know five
16:13for 75 would get it done but uh if if that's not going to work out then I would trade
16:19him I think to
16:20the Yankees would make a lot of sense for one of like a Ryan Weathers or Will Warren another pitcher
16:28I would not trade Bybee goes back to what I was saying about Jared Verse his value is way down
16:34I
16:34know it ended badly and I guess on some level people think maybe he's annoyed with the organization
16:41I doubt that that's actually the case I think Tanner Bybee still can be a good pitcher
16:46uh and I would I would and and you and he's got a long term deal you don't think he's
16:50annoyed with
16:50the organization I'd be so annoyed if I was him at the organization why but John did he stunk
16:55why should I get it the last part of the season wasn't good I mean they acted as if he'd
17:00been
17:00bad for three months yeah and they paid him all that money to go ahead and be important in those
17:03spots and they didn't trust him at all hey listen I said before that game that I would pitch him
17:09in
17:09game six but he has nobody to blame but himself he stunk the second half of the year and overall
17:14was very inconsistent uh and and so that's on him I don't think he's gonna I no I don't think
17:21so I
17:21really don't think he's annoyed at the organization I think if he's a if he wants to be a good
17:26pit if
17:26he thinks he can still be a good pitcher which I bet he does then he's got to be annoyed
17:30with himself
17:30and work to fix whatever's going on with him including all the nibbling he does at the play
17:36at the on the mound so I would not trade him all his values down because I don't think you
17:41get much
17:41for him well we only got to build him back up next year we only got about 20 seconds MLB
17:46trade rumors
17:47floated a Stephen Kwan for Logan Gilbert trade are you in or are you out
17:51oh 100% in on that I don't I mean was Logan Gilbert only have one year also left
17:57uh that actually don't know off the top of my head I probably should look at that that may be
18:01but I'm in yes 100% Logan Gilbert's a better pitcher than Kwan is a hitter all right bull we
18:07got a boogie appreciate you later guys Adam the bull there on the y chart right we make it right
18:12call Kyle right hotline
18:13you
18:13you
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