00:00we head out of the wise heart right we make it right call Kyle Wright hotline as we do every
00:04single Monday on this show and welcome on Browns analyst Nathan Zagura Nathan welcome to the show
00:11good to be with you guys how you doing oh another day in paradise here uh yeah exactly I do
00:17kind of
00:17I guess we can start with the obvious here what did you think about uh Shador's play in the Saints
00:24game I thought it was you know at the end spectacular I think the Browns unfortunately
00:30probably had an opportunity offensively to to you know take a pretty commanding lead in this game
00:35over the course of the first three quarters and and that wasn't there so I thought there were
00:39certainly some good things some not so good things I think obviously he has a knack for getting the
00:43football down the field and making big plays we saw the 60 yarder to Boston the 64 yarder to Casey
00:48Concepcion for the touchdown uh you know I think that sometimes the ball probably needs to come out
00:52a little quicker in rhythm but I thought he was decisive when he did decide to use his legs and
00:57picked up some tough first downs that way I thought overall it was good I thought you saw a quarterback
01:01who maintained some of his strengths from his rookie season but also improved on some of the things he
01:08wanted to see and and somebody who certainly showed you know a lot of promise and potential
01:13oh yeah what did you make of them not announcing Deshaun today as the starter and just kind of going
01:18with uh we gotta we gotta see how things play out a little bit mentality but by the head coach
01:22today
01:23um you know we saw the report or heard the report or read the report I guess from Jeremy Fowler
01:28earlier uh and then you know Todd declined to name a starter so I don't know I really don't know
01:35what
01:35to make of that sometimes they want to make sure that they can talk to everybody involved before they
01:39make a decision like this I thought you know I thought that probably going into it based on the
01:45Fowler report that he was going to come out and say you know Deshaun's a starter but it could also
01:49be
01:49some gamesmanship because there's certainly different things in our offense when Deshaun's
01:53a starter versus when Shador is a starter that he could be wanting them to at least think about
01:57or spend some time on you know a Monday or Tuesday as they start preparing for the new opponent
02:01so we'll see I don't really make a ton of it I think that he'll get to you know what
02:06he thinks is
02:06the right answer in time and we'll be ready to go for that game which is going to be a
02:10very tough
02:10I mean they're they're the best three and five team in in the NFL and probably one of the better
02:14three and five teams that have been at this stage in the season Nathan obviously this Texans game is
02:21you're talking about is such this big game but you also have the the the bye week after this
02:26do you get the sense with you know Deshaun's concussion how should or play do you get the
02:31sense we might be maybe back to being week to week with a quarterback spot even if Deshaun starts
02:37against the Texans I mean I don't think so you know Deshaun was your starter Deshaun would have
02:45started against New Orleans had he not had the concussion um he's five and three as the starter
02:50I think he's done a pretty darn good job this year so I don't think so I don't think so
02:55I don't know
02:56I mean I think if this game were you know three and a half quarters long we wouldn't even be
03:01having
03:01this discussion but Shador made an unbelievable throw to Jerry Judy Harold Fannin made an
03:07unbelievable plan on that one to be fair Shador hung in the pocket with three guys bearing down
03:11on him and delivered that football and then Harold Fannin has one of I think the great plays or
03:16iconic plays certainly of the 2026 season and one of the best individual plays we've seen from
03:21Cleveland Brown in a long long time so we'll see ultimately how that plays out but I don't think
03:25so but I don't know I don't make those decisions you know what I mean so I don't know Nate
03:30it's been
03:30really interesting today uh Nick and I both defended Todd Munkin going for the two-point conversion and going
03:37I met with a lot more pushback than I would have thought I I would have thought it would spend
03:40universally known in week nine you go for the two-point conversion there did you see it that
03:44way as well it's what am I missing in this conversation I don't think you're missing anything
03:49and I don't think there's you know pretty much everybody around the NFL is in agreement that
03:52it's not a discussion if you kick the extra point your best case scenario is a tie which certainly can
03:58have value in the season but you're going there to win the game and and that the only chance to
04:03win
04:03that game was could you pick up two yards on one play ultimately the Browns could not we've seen
04:08this team have success on two-point conversions earlier in the season and it's unfortunate that
04:12they weren't able to make the play when they needed to in that moment but no I and I'll tell
04:17you what
04:17I know because I talked to a lot of the guys on the team they loved that they went for
04:20that
04:20they would not have been happy I don't think as if if we said okay we'll just take a tie
04:25they wanted
04:25to win he believed in them and and you know they went for it and unfortunately didn't get it
04:29Nathan the defense for three quarters was really really good they started a little slow and then
04:35they caught their rhythm Carson continues to make play after play the the pass rush was getting
04:40involved you saw so many good things at the end of regulation and the start of OT you do see
04:46these
04:46these drives from New Orleans was that running out of scheme was that was that just the prevent
04:53defense like what happened with the defense late in this game and in in overtime I don't know
04:58it's unfortunate because you know we all want to look at and say you know we were ahead with four
05:01minutes to go against the Jets we should have won that game we're ahead here we should have won this
05:06game but you know we're still five and two in one score games and and that's that's pretty good
05:11sometimes these things happen they're good players too I go back to the big throw you know that in
05:15regulation that kind of got them down there for the touchdown which was Tyler Shuck to Chris
05:20Alame it was really good coverage from Tyson Campbell something they're really good too you know and at some
05:26point it's hard to hold down guys like a Chris Alame who's a second team all pro and Tyler Shuck
05:30is a
05:31very impressive young quarterback to see him in person I came away from that game very impressed
05:35by him sometimes they make plays too it's unfortunate I thought we were so close to ending that game
05:41and unfortunately the Browns could not do it and that's why it has a little bit of that taste in
05:45your mouth but I would bet on our defense more often than not to be able to come up and
05:49make a stop
05:50when we need it yeah one thing Nathan out of yesterday's game that I thought was really nice was
05:54not only was it Boston Concepcion playing just fantastic football but then you get Fannin in
05:58the mix at the end and obviously with the big touchdown and it just kind of felt like all
06:01around the young players that you needed to between Boston Concepcion and Fannin they just all came up
06:07in a big way and in many ways that feels like the biggest win of all for the Browns even
06:11in a loss
06:12yeah there's a lot of young talent on this team and I think we got to do a better job
06:15to get Harold
06:16Fannin involved earlier in that game I think we have to do get a better do a better job getting
06:20Jerry
06:20Judy involved earlier in games Jerry Judy made a huge catch down the stretch on the sideline that
06:24was a great throw from Shadour that was kind of a felt like a oh no no no no yes
06:28and Jerry Judy
06:29made a huge catch there yeah we have a lot of talent on this team and I think you know
06:34one of the things
06:35maybe from a mentality standpoint is we think you know okay we've got a great defense let's just be
06:40conservative don't turn the football over maybe we have to start thinking let's play the whole game
06:44like it's the end of the game let it rip if you happen to throw a pick so what we've
06:47got a good
06:47defense that can bail you out of some of those situations but let's go put points on the board
06:51because the strength of this team is quickly becoming the young playmakers and you know when
06:56Quinshawn gets a hole he has been very very effective he unfortunately still gets hit at the
07:01line of scrimmage far too often with our offensive line struggles in the run game but Dylan Sampson's
07:06a nice piece we have got a lot of nice pieces and then you flip it around defensively we've got
07:10young players playing well Carson Swessinger an absolute stud Aiden Huntington making another play
07:15Mike Hall making a play Isaiah McGuire had a really good game we've got young guys everywhere
07:20all three levels you know making plays for this team whether it's Rockin Hickman whether it's
07:24Emmanuel McNeil-Warm and then Andre Schmidt who is just sensational again from 51 yards when you
07:30needed it right down the middle so there's a lot to be encouraged by what's discouraging is that
07:35these feel like two games that you could have and should have won and unfortunately were not able to
07:40get the job done you know when you needed to even though it turned out to be after 55 minutes
07:45of
07:45what I think we would all agree was not most entertaining football by either team you got
07:49a wild 15 minutes of just back and forth incredible football for in that game Nathan I want to take
07:56you back to the Dewey slopes of the end of the first half there on third down there was a
08:02play where
08:03Shador turned into a you know kind of quarterback dive towards the uh the goal line which came up
08:08short and then on fourth down Shador and Austin Barber ran into each other I thought it was as
08:14simple as Quinn Sean maybe was playing a different play than the other 10 guys on third and goal
08:21and I thought Shador turned the wrong way on fourth and goal am I right in my reads on those
08:27two plays
08:28so I do not know I am not privy to the answer and I know that we've gotten different answers
08:33from
08:33different people in the in the post game presser so I don't know what I do know is that as
08:39a football
08:39team regardless of of who it is you need all 11 guys to be on the same page to have
08:45success and and
08:46one of the things when Todd Munkin talks about Browns hurting Browns is there were scenarios or
08:50situations in that game where it at least appeared that not all 11 guys were on the same page in
08:55critical high leverage situations and that can't happen it's hard enough to get into the end zone in
09:00the NFL when you do everything right you've just got to make sure though in those situations we're
09:04all on the same page and unfortunately there were some things that were that appeared certainly not
09:09to be that way in big moments in that game Nathan always great to catch up with it by the
09:15way do you
09:16like the bleep them picks mentality from Jacksonville I usually like bleep them picks this feels
09:22a little a little too much for me with the players they bleep them picks for well I mean the
09:29good news for
09:29them on in the Jordan Davis one Jordan Davis can become a fixture of that organization for a while
09:35Jesse Bates feels like a second round takes a lot to give up for a rental but they're clearly going
09:39all in they've got the highest point differential in the NFL they've been playing great football on
09:43both sides of the ball they want to go they're going to go for it and and at the end
09:47of the day
09:48that's what it's about I mean that's what the Rams did I don't think anybody in the Rams organization
09:52is sad that they have one Super Bowl because they have a Super Bowl and that's what it's all about
09:56so
09:56the Jags certainly are going for it we'll see Jordan Davis though is somebody who gave up a pick for
10:02that somebody's going to be a cornerstone of your organization for a while and remember that picks
10:06are theoreticals and even first round picks typically and end of first round which is where the Jags
10:11believe that pick's going to be those come at you know a 50 percent bust rate and maybe even a
10:16little
10:16bit more than that they're getting in Jordan Davis and Jesse Bates bona fide players who are going to
10:21help them right now yeah I may I have organizational snobbery there's something about Jacksonville
10:26under Shad Khan that I just can't possibly take serious even even with uh Limestone and Liam Cohen
10:32Limestone pretty clever to me they seem to be doing pretty well right now so you know they are a
10:40good
10:40team I hear you and look their trades with us you would say ultimately seem to have benefited us more
10:46and yet they're where they're at and that's you know kudos to them and it also means that you know
10:51with the time if we go back when Trevor Lawrence was drafted he was the most complete prospect since
10:56Andrew Luck and it took a while and he had some things early in his career certainly from a coaching
11:00standpoint that I think were big challenges to him but now with Liam Cohen they're they're click it man
11:05and they're and they're going to go for it and it'll be interesting to see how it plays out
11:08Nathan always a joy to talk to you buddy thanks so much keep killing it on the games
11:11all right guys thank you Nathan Zegura Brown's analyst on the wise heart right we make it right
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