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The K&C Masterpiece debated, if Howie Roseman represents the ideal NFL GM, how bad the Cowboys actually are, and more in this edition of NFL Overreaction or Reality.
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00:00All right, this is going to be kind of the trade edition of it.
00:03Overreaction or reality, since we talked about this earlier today,
00:08if in some fantasy world, the Vikings could trade for Dak Prescott,
00:14overreaction or reality, the Vikings could win the Super Bowl.
00:19Well, and man, Dak's untradeable.
00:25If he doesn't want to be traded.
00:27Yeah, that's probably true.
00:28Yeah, I mean, you pretty much said this morning.
00:30In my fantasy creation.
00:32I understand.
00:32Well, here's the thing that I want.
00:34You know what?
00:36Overreaction or reality.
00:37Oh.
00:38Hold on.
00:38Is that the segment?
00:41I'm going to switch this up on you, because I know you want to talk about Dak here.
00:44Is that allowed?
00:45How many quarterbacks that are starters right now do you think wouldn't win?
00:51With the Vikings?
00:52Yeah.
00:5620 to 22.
00:59So that's my...
01:00Do you think Geno Smith could win a Super Bowl with the Vikings defense?
01:03I do not.
01:04Dude, they're...
01:05No, they're incredible.
01:06They really are.
01:07It's just...
01:08And I know...
01:09I think Malik Willis would not.
01:11Yeah, right.
01:11I got you.
01:11But there are plenty of examples.
01:13Fernando Mendoza.
01:14I kind of think he could.
01:16I mean, honestly, I would try to trade for Kirk Cousins right now if I was the Vikings.
01:21Me too.
01:21And be like, I don't know that you're any better than you were when you left here.
01:25But that might be all we need.
01:26Yeah.
01:27Well, to get one or two rounds into the playoffs, he's going to lose you a game.
01:31I think there's like 10 to 14 quarterbacks-ish that could win the Super Bowl with his Vikings defense.
01:38And I think Dak could.
01:39Okay.
01:41I think he's a quality quarterback.
01:44I think that the defense is so good for the Vikings that you can pretty much win any game with
01:55him at the helm.
01:56Right.
01:57And I mean, now you're pairing him with the Justin Jefferson.
01:59There's a lot of things that could happen.
02:01Yeah, for sure.
02:02Mr. Walker, overreaction or reality?
02:04If the Vikings could somehow in this fantasy land trade for Dak Prescott, they could win the Super Bowl.
02:12Oh, that's an overreaction.
02:14That's an overreaction.
02:15They need more than just Dak Prescott.
02:17Now, if they wanted to trade for Dak Prescott and George Pickens.
02:20Oh, man.
02:22Maybe we'd be talking.
02:23Overreaction or reality?
02:25The Eagles may not be good right now, but Howie Roseman remains the kind of GM you desperately want.
02:33A GM is what I desperately want.
02:37Just any?
02:37Yeah, and look, man, I know Jerry is the ultimate decider on things, but is he the one doing the
02:44legwork to make the decision?
02:46And that's the difference there.
02:49You might have 10 people in that building right now that are all helping do the legwork to make that
02:55decision,
02:55that can all point a finger at each other and say, well, that's his job.
02:59Or, you know, is that my responsibility?
03:01And when you have a GM, they are beholden to the people above them and below them.
03:08And that means they cannot let the people below them down.
03:11The good GMs understand that.
03:13They cannot let the dude that's their boss down either because they will lose their damn job.
03:18And so a GM is what I'm really looking for.
03:22Howie Roseman is in that role and does a really good job of knowing when to navigate.
03:26My team's not good enough.
03:27I've got to move on.
03:29I have always said this about John Daniels.
03:31John Daniels, I thought, was one of the best at realizing, got to move on from this.
03:35Sorry, it's not good anymore.
03:37Until he wasn't.
03:38But that was, I thought, I had always told you, Kevin, I wish I could have the cold-heartedness of
03:44John Daniels.
03:45Yep.
03:45Which wasn't a bad thing if you're in that role.
03:47Oh, I agree.
03:48And that's where having someone do all the legwork and be obsessed with the team.
03:55Man, you know what, my backup left guard is not good enough.
03:59Was my long snapper, is my long snapper actually good enough?
04:03Those types of things are the questions that a guy like John Schneider is constantly asking himself.
04:10Mr. Walker, overreaction or reality?
04:13The Eagles might not be good right now, but Howie Roseman remains the kind of GM you would desperately want.
04:20That's a reality.
04:21I agree.
04:22That's a reality.
04:23He just knows when to do the right things, and we don't all the time.
04:29NFL overreaction or reality?
04:31The Dallas Cowboys are still a bad, perhaps really bad, football team.
04:38You're not sub-mediocre yet.
04:41Oh, man.
04:42We just have to work our way up to that?
04:44Yeah.
04:44You're a bad football team still.
04:46Now, what's really interesting is the really bad football team is the Chargers.
04:52Yes.
04:53And so putting them in the same category as the Chargers, I feel, is unfair.
04:57So I feel like I have to make a different tier for the Chargers because they're that bad.
05:05But yeah, right now, it's not that great.
05:11It's sub-mediocre to bad.
05:13Kevin, overreaction or reality?
05:16The Dallas Cowboys are a bad, perhaps really bad, football team.
05:20Reality, they're bad.
05:21They're not really bad, but they're bad.
05:23So, you know.
05:24We're doing it, Corey.
05:25I think there's a gray area that exists there, and I think that's where they belong.
05:30By the way, the Chargers, if you want to find a category for them,
05:34it is the likes of Sean Gary and James Cook's pants.
05:39Did we confirm that?
05:41I mean, the visual evidence is there.
05:46Overreaction or reality.
05:46It played on turf, Kevin.
05:48Okay.
05:49So it's not from the, I got you.
05:51Overreaction or reality.
05:52If the Giants trade for Jonathan Taylor, the NFC East race is over.
05:57Now, they gave the offer.
05:59They rescinded it, but they still remain the favorites to pick him up.
06:11I think it is.
06:14And I really, I mean, I really expected the Giants.
06:17You know I expected the Giants to be better.
06:18I didn't this year.
06:20You said how many games.
06:21I said seven wins.
06:23Right.
06:23Oh, you're like, oh, that's different.
06:24You thought I was saying 14.
06:26Or like 11.
06:28I expected them to be better.
06:30I think they're going to be, probably going to be an eight-win team.
06:35They might be 8-8-1 and get the division.
06:38Right.
06:40That being said, if Jonathan Taylor was there, even without a quarterback,
06:47because I don't know who their quarterback really is.
06:50It's J.J. McCarthy until he gets hurt.
06:52I mean, because even whenever he gets not hurt, he's hurt.
06:58So, but Jameis Winston's definitely not their quarterback.
07:02Right.
07:02Like, he can go in there and have a pretty good, you know, series.
07:06But there's just nothing to contend against them.
07:10There's nothing to contend against them.
07:12So, why would I believe that a team that wants to run the ball anyway
07:16wouldn't win the division just saying,
07:18this is how we're going to play football games and win?
07:21Now, do I think that they can do anything in the playoffs against good teams?
07:24That's a different story.
07:26Right.
07:26Agreed.
07:27Mr. Walker, overreaction to reality.
07:29If the Giants traded for Jonathan Taylor, the NFC East race is over.
07:36Yeah, I think it is over.
07:38I think it is.
07:39I think that that is one of the missing pieces that the Giants are missing.
07:43I think the defense is overall pretty good.
07:45I think if you add a running back, especially to his caliber,
07:48that helps them in the passing game.
07:50Whether it be J.J. McCarthy or Jameis Winston
07:53or whoever they have to trot out there,
07:55I think that that's going to open up the offense all in all for them.
07:58It's going to help them take the division completely.
08:01NFL overreaction.
08:02Did we already make this?
08:02As long as it's not about a spare running back.
08:04I'm just kidding.
08:05Go ahead.
08:06No, I'm good.
08:06All right.
08:07Overreaction or reality.
08:09I don't think by any means this would happen,
08:11but the Chiefs should desperately be trying to pick up George Pickens
08:16or another top-notch wide receiver today.
08:19Yeah.
08:20I mean, go try and get Justin Jefferson today.
08:23Oh, I don't imagine the Vikings would do that,
08:27but that would be fascinating.
08:28If I was Justin Jefferson, I'd be demanding.
08:29Holy crap, that would be awesome.
08:31I'd be like, send me anywhere else, please.
08:34Do you think he says that behind the scenes?
08:39Um, you know what?
08:40Coming up in the C block, I have a conversation about what Justin Jefferson said.
08:44Oh.
08:45The, uh, yeah.
08:49They, if they want to win, they need a downfield receiver that can catch.
08:55Right.
08:55But also, Mahomes doesn't look as typical self downfield.
09:03Agreed.
09:03Agreed.
09:03So I wonder if Andy Reid's just like, well, we're going to have to win this way,
09:07and you know what?
09:08Kenneth Walker is the way to go.
09:10Okay.
09:11So I just want to make sure I'm thinking about this right in my brain,
09:14because I don't think I've processed that part of it.
09:16So yes, they can't move the ball down the field partially because of who they have,
09:20but also partially because their quarterback is not going to be good at moving the ball
09:24down the field.
09:25Yeah.
09:26And Tyreek Hill was a cheat code, so maybe that always just kind of set things apart was
09:30they had Tyreek Hill.
09:32Right.
09:33Um, but this is, um, I, I think they should.
09:40If they want to be a well-rounded offense, they have to have a deep threat, and that's
09:44just going to make Kenneth Walker that much better.
09:46Hey, speaking of Walkers, we go to you.
09:49I don't think by any means it would be George Pickens, but overreaction or reality, the Chiefs
09:54need to desperately try to find a big-time wide receiver today.
09:59Yeah, I'm going to say that's a reality.
10:01I think that they really, really do, and I think that that would be probably the piece
10:06that they would help them be a championship-level offense.
10:09By the way, speaking of Tyreek Hill, this is just coming across my desk, if you will.
10:15He's got to be medically cleared in a couple weeks, per his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, who's
10:19been working overtime, apparently, between he and Brennan Ayuk.
10:23So maybe they might be adding Tyreek Hill.
10:25Okay, overreaction or reality, the Jags trading Palooza makes them your new favorite in the
10:33AFC.
10:37No!
10:41Man, there's so many good teams in the AFC.
10:44Did you know this is the first time the Bills have started 7-1 since 93?
10:49No, I didn't know that.
10:50That's the last time they went to the Super Bowl.
10:51Really?
10:51Did they win that?
10:52Lost that Super Bowl.
10:53That's right, they did.
10:54Um, I mean, just the Bengals, I'm interested to see if the Bengals can pull off a trade.
11:00Okay.
11:01To add to their defense before things are done.
11:04Plus, they're powered by that chili that goes on spaghetti with cheese.
11:08Did you say you tried that or no?
11:10Yeah, well, one of our Tolos, who was a Bengals fan, brought me a can of it.
11:15And after they won the AFC championship and went to the Super Bowl, I was like, well, I
11:20have to buy, I have to try this chili now.
11:22And I did, and I did not love it.
11:24Right.
11:25Because it tasted like current.
11:27Um, but, what was that word?
11:30Current.
11:30It's a, it's a, like a flavor.
11:33Oh, okay.
11:34Yeah.
11:34Um, the, uh, oh, and our boss, Tim Collins, is like, I love that chili.
11:40Um, so I, I think I still am with the Bills and Bengals and Jaguars as my top three in
11:46that, in that, in that, on that side of the ball.
11:48In that order?
11:48I don't know.
11:49Okay.
11:50Because it takes work to implement some of these guys that you add to your defense, too.
11:54You know, it's like, you can't just throw, be like, oh, we got Jordan Davis.
11:57Everything's going to be fine.
11:58Yeah.
11:59You know, like, it's going to take some work.
12:00There's going to be some failures on some of these guys' parts.
12:03Uh, so I, but I really do like what the Jags are doing over there.
12:07So I would say they're in my top three in no particular order.
12:11Don't make me, uh, uh, rank them.
12:14Okay.
12:14Well, then I'll move on to the next question.
12:16Because then it's Bills, Jaguars, Bengals.
12:18You just said don't make you rank them.
12:19I said don't make me.
12:20Oh, okay.
12:21I didn't say I wouldn't voluntarily do it on my own.
12:23Okay.
12:24Overreaction or reality?
12:26So Schefter said yesterday, the Chargers don't like the message of giving up on the season.
12:31So any calls for Lad McConkie, Justin Herbert, Khalil Mack, they were all shut down.
12:36They were hard no's.
12:37Overreaction or reality?
12:38The Chargers are making a big mistake.
12:41I'm going to say that that was a reality.
12:43Whoa!
12:44Did you just step in front of Corey?
12:45He did.
12:47Maybe.
12:48Is it because you were talking to Tim and he thought maybe Corey had already answered it?
12:53Maybe.
12:54Okay, Corey, you'll get your chance.
12:56Maybe not now.
12:58Corey, we go to you.
12:59Back to me?
12:59That's right.
13:02Okay.
13:03So at Owen...
13:04Eight.
13:05Yeah.
13:06Ooh.
13:08It's...
13:09I don't care about the message of the season at that point.
13:11Right.
13:11Like, go ahead and start fielding your next season.
13:15And you can make the decision of, hey, we want to keep the head coach and we want to
13:19keep the offensive coordinator, but we don't want to keep the pieces in place.
13:23You can start having that conversation around it.
13:25I understand this.
13:25Here's the thing, though.
13:27Do you...
13:29I don't think any team should ever announce they're done with the season before the trade
13:34deadline.
13:34Right.
13:35And the reason is because what if somebody is willing to offer you something that can
13:39make you better?
13:40And that's what Steven said many times, right?
13:42Is, hey, as long as it's going to make us better, we're willing to make decisions and
13:46changes if we think it'll make us better.
13:49They think that moving on from Schottenheimer would make them worse.
13:52Yeah.
13:52So that seems fair in their world, even if I disagree with them.
13:57But then when you talk about, hey, guys, we are waving the white flag, which I was ready
14:03to do if they'd lost to the Colts, by the way.
14:05Me too.
14:05I was already getting ready to tweet it out, and then they won.
14:09I was like, son of a B.
14:11But if you do that, then now you're signaling, don't give us anything.
14:16Right.
14:17Only picks is what we want to field for phone calls.
14:19Right.
14:19But a team like the Chargers definitely should wave the white flag and say, this one's done.
14:25We are ready to accept all picks so we can get new receivers, maybe a new quarterback.
14:29We have lots of things we would like to move on from here.
14:32So Kevin Walker is temporarily on probation.
14:36So I will throw this.
14:37For the 214, the stones on khaki, hashtag approved.
14:41All right.
14:42Bonus for just you then, Corey.
14:44Overreaction or reality?
14:46Nick Cortez should get some sort of gift basket from the Bengals.
14:50He is the reporter when the Bengals were making their deal with the Eagles that pointed out
14:57that by doing that deal, the Bengals would have lost the third round comp pick that was
15:03headed their way for Trey Hendrickson.
15:05Oh, it wasn't been baby?
15:06No, it was not.
15:08And so that is why, really, not a physical or anything else, the trade got canceled.
15:14So overreaction to reality, Nick Cortez needs to get some sort of, I don't know, gift basket
15:19or maybe a check from the Bengals.
15:23Yeah, and they need to fire whoever's in charge of things up there.
15:26How do you not know that?
15:27You have to know.
15:28Jerry talked about that this morning with Sean and RJ.
15:30Like, he brought that up in conversation, so Jerry knows it.
15:34Right.
15:35I, uh, yeah, dude.
15:37No, the person, if you're going to be making moves for a front office, the media shouldn't
15:44be alerting you.
15:44That's like Ron Rivera going, hold on.
15:46We're out of the playoffs?
15:48Today?
15:48Yeah.
15:49You're kidding me.
15:50No, you need to know these things.