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Hoch, Crowder and Solana share their reaction to the breaking news that Malik Willis will be placed on the IR. Does losing now officially make more sense for the Dolphins?
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00:00I know Solana is going to give us the headlines.
00:02Jonathan Taylor did not get traded.
00:05Kirk Cousins did.
00:06Those are probably the biggest two pieces of news coming out of the NFL trade deadline.
00:11And for Miami Dolphins fans, Malik Willis will be placed on IR.
00:15So he's going to miss at least four weeks, which means Kyle McCord is going to be your
00:22new quarterback.
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00:32Yeah.
00:32The other trade that I think is noteworthy, the Colts traded Josh Downs, wide receiver, and
00:38a seventh rounder to the Kansas City Chiefs for a fourth and fifth round pick, according
00:43to Rapoport and Schefter.
00:47That means Kansas City goes out, gets another weapon for Patrick Mahomes.
00:51It could also mean maybe no Tyreek Hill return this season to the Kansas City Chiefs.
00:57Somebody wants to know on the text line, can a game end 0-0, referring to the Colts ball
01:03ball game?
01:05No, Jack.
01:07Have we seen Kyle McCord this season?
01:09Has Malik played every single down?
01:12Yes.
01:12Wow.
01:13He has played every single...
01:15How many quarterbacks in the history of the NFL whose teams are one in seven have played
01:22every single down?
01:24Like, the record itself would lead you to believe that, you know, you'd rest somebody.
01:29Are you sure Malik Willis played every single down?
01:31Yes.
01:31Every single snap?
01:32Yes.
01:33Wow.
01:34He hasn't gone out.
01:36I guarantee you, it's a long list, Hall.
01:38There's some terrible teams out there.
01:39That they just rode the quarterback without, like, resting him in the fourth quarter?
01:44Like, just for...
01:45Oh, that's true.
01:46The way that...
01:47That's what I'm saying.
01:47Like, Justin Herbert got replaced.
01:49They're 0-8.
01:50It would make sense that another quarterback took snaps.
01:53To throw him in there.
01:55Yeah, no.
01:56Yeah, I'm not saying as a starter, but like, just to...
01:58Like, hey, we're not winning this game, so go get a couple reps out there, Kyle.
02:03I think they wanted Malik to get a couple reps out there.
02:06That's the situation we're in.
02:08It's a brutal day for the Finns, though, if you think about it.
02:11You lose Zach Seeler to a torn bicep.
02:13He's out for the year.
02:15And then now Malik Willis goes down.
02:17Well, let's be honest.
02:19Is it brutal?
02:23There's two camps.
02:24I know what Huck's saying.
02:26Obviously, listen, Zach Seeler's a super nice guy, so Omar Kelly writes something about him.
02:30Like, you hate to see things like that happen to really good guys.
02:33He's a nice guy.
02:34Devon Achan goes down at the beginning of the season.
02:37Really good guy and obviously the stalwart of the offense.
02:41This team, I really think, can only go as far as Malik Willis could take it.
02:46As ridiculous as that might sound at 1-7.
02:49I mean, I don't know anything about Kyle McCord.
02:53But isn't the best possible outcome of this season the highest possible draft pick?
03:01Yes.
03:02In totality, yes.
03:04Right?
03:04Because like you're saying, 3-14 is probably your top level.
03:09Well, let's say 5-12.
03:11But now with Kyle McCord, I'll take that down.
03:13Yeah, Huck.
03:14To 3-5, does that make that big a difference?
03:16No.
03:18Other than draft status.
03:19Isn't the bigger equation to this rebuild, I'm not saying having a better draft pick
03:24would not benefit this organization in a big way.
03:27Obviously, it will.
03:29But isn't the bigger equation figuring out Malik Willis?
03:34Yes.
03:35But have you seen anything to lead you to believe he's going to be the long-term answer?
03:42No.
03:44But it's been nine games.
03:46Eight games.
03:48No, but I think Malik Willis is here next year, no matter what happened this year,
03:53to back up whoever they bring in or let them start over the young guy.
03:56Yep.
03:57Well, Malik was the two-year plan.
03:58I don't, I don't, I don't, he could, I don't care what he does.
04:01He threw 17 interceptions, no touchdowns.
04:04But what he, if he did exactly what he's doing now for the rest of the season,
04:07I think he's your backup quarterback next year.
04:09Right.
04:10Right.
04:10Or, like you say, starts the season with the, you know, plan of the way Fernando Mendoza
04:17is going to be starting now for the Raiders because they traded Kirk Cousins.
04:21Um, he had an opportunity in the first eight games to blow you away with his talent where
04:28you say, Hey, you know what?
04:30We can focus on getting pieces around this guy.
04:33I'm not telling you he's been an abject failure because he hasn't, but he hasn't done enough
04:38where you'd say, okay, I get it.
04:40And so in that scenario, cause who are you battling with the, uh, for the draft pick?
04:46The Chargers, the Chargers, the Colts, the Titans.
04:52Oh no, not the Colts.
04:52Cause the Colts it's, it's the Jets, the Jets.
04:55Right.
04:55But it's based off the Colts record.
04:58Yes.
05:00Um, so as of right now, here's your 20, 27 draft order.
05:06If the draft were today, the Chargers at 0 and 8, the Titans,
05:10at 1 and 7, Miami is in third at 1 and 7.
05:15The Colts are right behind Miami.
05:17That pick goes to the New York Jets, the Eagles at 2 and 7, the Jets with their own first
05:23round
05:23pick at 2 and 7 at 6, Washington, Tampa Bay, Arizona, Atlanta.
05:31Hmm.
05:32I don't think the Chargers or the Titans need a quarterback.
05:35So I think at three, you get whatever quarterback you want.
05:38Chargers, Mike.
05:39I don't think the Titans are going for another quarterback besides Cam Ward.
05:43I could see the Chargers saying, Hey, cause how many years has it been with Justin Herbert?
05:48Seven, six, seven, seven.
05:49You're not going to do it for a decade.
05:51Only the Dolphins do that.
05:53The only team that lock in.
05:57Um, okay.
05:59So, so we want to lose then.
06:01I, if I, if I said to you this, you have two choices.
06:06You finish the season five and 12, or you finish the season one in 16, which one's the better outcome?
06:17And I'm not, listen, I'm a Dolphins fan.
06:20I'm going to sit down Sunday and just inherently, I'm going to root for them to win.
06:24I can't root for my teams to lose.
06:26I don't have that in me.
06:28Some people do, but I'm just saying.
06:32If the outcome is one or the other, you string together a couple of wins at the end of the
06:38season and it lowers your draft status.
06:42Or you got your one win this season.
06:45You end the season as futile as any other team that's terrible in the NFL and you get a higher
06:53draft pick.
06:54What's the better outcome?
06:56Um, logically give the one win back and go, Oh, and 17 to guarantee it.
07:04Right.
07:04Like logically, but to your point, and I just thought about when you said it, if you're a Dolphin fan,
07:09a true Dolphin fan and they get in the red zone and you're hoping for a turnover, you're not really
07:15a fan.
07:16That's crazy.
07:17Some people, some people can do that.
07:18They really can look at the macro, not the micro.
07:21And, and, and there is something to be said for that to say, Hey, I don't care about this game
07:26in the grand scheme of things.
07:27I'm going to care about them having a top draft pick and going and winning a playoff game next season,
07:35which would be what 27 years since their last playoff win.
07:39And I'm going to care about that more than this win over the Colts on a random Sunday in November.
07:46I, again, I don't have it in me just because I root for my teams to win.
07:49It's just something takes over.
07:51Like I can't root for a team that I'm rooting for to lose, but in the macro, it's a better
07:58outcome than the micro.
07:59It is a hundred percent.
08:00It is.
08:00But, but there's no guarantee that you take the right player by having the higher draft.
08:08No, I get it.
08:08I get it.
08:09And, and Crowder, maybe I'm cool is bigger.
08:12You're right.
08:13You're, you control the outcome.
08:15You control how everything gets handled.
08:18I'm not disagreeing with that.
08:19And if Jeremiah Smith is a guy, Jeremiah Smith is a guy.
08:21He's the best player available.
08:23Everybody's going to be hyped up about that and losing out on Jeremiah Smith to take a quarterback or to
08:29take an edge rusher that you're unsure of when he's a sure thing because you beat the Titans or excuse
08:35me, because you beat the Colts in week 10 would probably piss a lot of Dolphins fans off.
08:39I'm not, I'm not saying that that's a bad way to act or, or the bad logic, but is there
08:46not something to be said about a rookie head coach?
08:49Playing a bunch of rookies, finding ways to win games.
08:52And can that not help the team moving forward?
08:55Like, are we just completely erasing that logic from, from this?
09:01Because I don't know, man.
09:02I think there's something to be said about that.
09:05Erasing.
09:06Stop, stop losing the culture of losing and accepting losing the, the first year because you were supposed to lose.
09:14And, and overcoming that adversity of winning football games.
09:18I think that's how you build the right thing here.
09:20Not by just accepting, yeah, we're going to lose.
09:21Yeah, no.
09:22And I get you.
09:23And I, and you're probably the biggest heat fan I know.
09:26So you really rely on culture.
09:28I'm more of a Jimmy's and Joe's guy.
09:31You give me the best player.
09:32And I think a decent head coach can figure out that thing on the back end.
09:37I mean, I get what you're saying.
09:39A lot of young players now you're, they're, they're one in 16.
09:42Like, is that a good atmosphere for them to be in losing over and over and over again?
09:47Maybe not trusting their coaches, not trusting the game plan.
09:50I understand it, but three and 14 or one in 16.
09:55Is that going to change anything other than a draft pick to answer your question?
09:59I don't think so.
10:00It's like, what is better for the future?
10:04And I get the question, Solana.
10:06So what's better for the future?
10:10Overcoming significant adversity by a first year head coach and winning a couple games
10:16that they probably shouldn't have won, but you do it at the expense of pick, pick your
10:23player.
10:24I'm not going to say Jeremiah Smith, pick your player.
10:27They do it at the expense of a quarterback.
10:30They covet because they don't have the third pick.
10:32They have the sixth pick, but they have three more victories.
10:36Yeah.
10:37Right now, it wouldn't be CJ Carr or Darian Mensah.
10:39We just watch those two.
10:40Right.
10:42My bigger point is look at the best teams in the NFL right now.
10:47Did any of them have the number one overall pick outside of the Chicago Bears after tanking?
10:53Well, no, no, no.
10:54You've got, but, but they're not tanking.
10:55I'm just telling you, this is injury related the whole season.
10:58I mean, they didn't go, they, they went into this season trying to field as best team they
11:03could under the parameters they had.
11:06I don't think so.
11:06I think they went into this season, Hawk, understanding that, that maybe they're not calling it a tank,
11:11but they're rebuilding.
11:12And sure, they were, they were, um, you know, two arms behind their back because of the cap,
11:17but there were other moves and maneuvers Miami could have made to field a better roster,
11:22but they opted against it to allow these young players to get as many reps as possible.
11:27There, there were moves.
11:29There were trades that could have been done and there was money that could have been spent
11:32that wasn't spent.
11:33There was, there was, there was, they didn't have extra money,
11:37but why would you trade the future picks for a veteran?
11:42You know, like, Oh, no, I agree.
11:44I'm not saying that didn't get me wrong.
11:45I, I, that's what this year was always going to be about.
11:48Once you moved on from Tua, once you moved on from Tyreek, once you moved on from Waddle,
11:52you fired Chris Greer, you fired Mike McDaniel, reset your entire organization.
11:56It's what the saints did last year.
11:58And it's what Miami had to do.
11:59I'm not complaining about it.
12:00I wanted this.
12:02So I'm happy that they're doing this.
12:03My point is they could have fielded a better roster if they really wanted to.
12:08They didn't because they knew this was the route that they needed to take Hawk.
12:12But, but there's just no guarantee that.
12:15Well, you're kind of making it sound though, that they had a lot of ability.
12:19Not a lot, but there was some ability.
12:21You're saying that they could have had a better player or two.
12:25Like it, like I'm still talking about in totality, like they didn't go into this season saying
12:31we're going to field one of the worst teams because they went out and got Malik Willis.
12:36They could have stuck with Quinn Ewers if they wanted to do that.
12:38In all honesty, like if you wanted to tank tank, you'd have stuck with Quinn Ewers.
12:44You wouldn't have gone and spent $40 million on Malik Willis.
12:47So I don't think that they went into this season with, with that inclination.
12:52I'm just saying at this point now, like it is what it is.
12:57Let's say, and I know Waddle, if it's Waddle, let's say they, they didn't get rid of Waddle.
13:00Now they have a number, you know, a better receipt.
13:02I think Waddle, even though I don't really think he's that great, I think he's better than our young boys.
13:06It's we're one and we're one and seven.
13:08If Waddle's on this team, there's not one player other than quarterback.
13:13There's not a lot of players in this league added to this dolphin roster that makes our record different.
13:18Yeah.
13:19My point is you look at the best teams in the NFL right now and yes, you have the Chicago
13:25Bears.
13:25That's a prime example of number one overall pick.
13:28They hit on the quarterback and now they're competing, but Buffalo didn't do that.
13:33They just took Josh Allen at the right pick when they had the opportunity.
13:38But I don't, I don't understand like what the option is.
13:41They're a really bad team.
13:43So I'm saying to you, would you rather have the second pick or the fifth pick?
13:47I'm saying it doesn't matter.
13:50Hit on your picks.
13:52If you're John Eric Sullivan, wherever those picks are and you're going to build a good team, but make the
13:57right offseason signing.
13:59I just think that's a crazy, like I get that there's variance in who we think is going to be
14:05great in the NFL and who ends up being great, but to put zero value on where you're slotted in
14:14the draft.
14:15Not zero.
14:15Well, you just said it doesn't matter.
14:17I'm saying it shouldn't affect, you shouldn't say we want to be the first or second overall pick over winning
14:24games this year.
14:25When at worst, what you're going to be the sixth or the seventh.
14:28I'm not telling you that they're doing that.
14:31I'm telling you, this is the reality of it.
14:33The reality, they're going to go out there and try to win Sunday.
14:36Like they're going to go out there and try to win.
14:38Kyle McCord is going to try to show everyone.
14:40He's the next Tom Brady.
14:41Yeah.
14:42And God bless him.
14:43If he is, it'd be the greatest thing that ever happened to the Dolphins.
14:46So anything could happen.
14:47We saw with Kurt Warner years ago, like anything could happen.
14:50The guy was bagging groceries.
14:52I think a lot.
14:54I'm trying to help you out here.
14:55I'm on your side with this one.
14:56Cause I looked up Josh Allen's drafts.
14:58Josh Allen went seven.
15:00He was seven to Buffalo.
15:02Before that, the jets took Sam Darnold and the Cleveland Browns took Baker Mayfield.
15:06If one of those two organizations would have taken Josh Allen over them to the whole outcome would have been
15:10better.
15:10I like, I understand what you're saying, Solana.
15:12That's John Eric Sullivan.
15:14I want John Eric Sullivan to have the number one pick and see who CJ Carr, Mensah, Dante Moore, whoever
15:19that is.
15:20If he is Josh Allen overseeing, if he might be Sam Darnold.
15:23That's the point.
15:25It's not that Buffalo.
15:28We'll just take Josh Allen.
15:30It's that Cleveland and the Jets got it wrong.
15:35You'd rather have the second pick to take Josh Allen and get it right.
15:41So it may not matter as much if your personnel, if the person making personnel decisions isn't good at it.
15:49If the person making personnel decisions is good at it, you want to be able to pick from the largest
15:55possible pool, like Crowder said earlier.
15:58Which is fair.
15:59I still think more than anything, it's about getting the picks right when you're building out your roster.
16:04But in other words, that's based on having the right personnel guy.
16:09Yes.
16:09Yes.
16:10And I think John Eric Sullivan is the right personnel guy based on one draft.
16:13So wouldn't he do better to choose from all the picks with the one pick than to be five guys
16:22already taken before he gets to select him?
16:24I'm not saying you'd rather pick seventh than you would second.
16:27Obviously, you'd rather have a better opportunity with a larger player pool to choose from.
16:32My point is, I'm not willing to sacrifice what I think could be encouraging long-term or helpful long-term
16:40for a young football team like the Dolphins have right now to purposely or, quote-unquote, purposely lose.
16:46It's not purposely.
16:47It's just like you have.
16:48I mean, they're going to try to win.
16:50No one is purposely trying to lose the rest of the season.
16:53They're going to try to win.
16:53Let me give away these Russell Peters tickets because it's 420.
16:56Comedian Russell Peters coming to Hard Rock Live in December.
16:59And we've got a pair of tickets every day this week.
17:03What number does Kyle McCord wear?
17:09If it's a noise, man, Solana hit it.
17:14Anybody know?
17:16Anybody?
17:17He wore six at Syracuse.
17:18He wore six at Ohio State.
17:2014.
17:2114.
17:22Caller 14 for Kyle McCord.
17:25305-567-0560.
17:29305-567-0560.
17:32Caller number 14 gets a pair of tickets for the comedian Russell Peters.
17:37Just quickly, Solana.
17:39So, to your conversation, to your argument.
17:42So, Jacob Rodriguez, Chris Johnson, Caleb Douglas, Caden Proctor,
17:48all these young dudes are going to be better players if we win more games this season?
17:52Yeah, that's the disconnect I'm having, too.
17:55You're placing less value on a high draft pick than you are winning a meaningless game at the end of
18:02the season.
18:03You're saying that you'd rather win those games.
18:10I'm just saying, don't downplay what it means for a rookie head coach and a young roster to go out
18:17there and win football games this year.
18:19But I think you're downplaying having a high draft pick.
18:22Obviously, I would love to have the number one overall pick.
18:25You're literally saying, I'm going to downplay the importance of the draft pick,
18:30but you guys do not downplay winning this weekend against Indianapolis.
18:35The only reason why I'm approaching it this way is because we were talking about,
18:41is it beneficial for the Dolphins, essentially, to lose out, to ensure they have the number one overall pick?
18:47And if your priority is have the number one overall pick, then 100%.
18:52I just said, which one ends up being better for the Dolphins in the long run?
18:56I'm not telling you to prioritize.
18:57I'm just saying, which one ends up being better for the Dolphins in the long run?
19:03In my opinion, it's the higher draft pick.
19:04And I'm willing to show you a number of examples around the NFL with the best teams in the NFL
19:12who continue to rebuild without having a number one pick.
19:16Don't you think I could show you a number of examples of teams that won games at the end of
19:21the season
19:21and it didn't translate to team success the following season or the season after?
19:26Well, I'm not interested in those numbers.
19:30Solana, January 10th, they play the Patriots.
19:33That's game 17.
19:34No matter what that record is, there's nothing past that for the success or failure of this team moving forward.
19:40How come you're not answering the phones, Jimmy?
19:42I yelled at him because he was talking loud.
19:45Oh.
19:45And you had come to me with a question.
19:46I got you.
19:47Okay.
19:48All right.
19:48Well, let's have Crowder do a live spot because I want to talk with Chris Perkins.
19:52Do you have weather or anything to let Jimmy do his job?
19:54Stop playing defense on Jimmy.
19:5680 degrees.
19:57I mean, if you're going to win tickets, you can wait one minute.
20:00Not at the end of the world.
20:01Imagine being on the line and waiting.
20:03Go ahead, Jimmy.
20:04You can answer the phones.
20:06Now the mic's on.
20:07Go ahead, Jimmy.
20:07Go ahead.
20:08Answer the phones.
20:09Do your job.
20:10People want Russell Peters tickets.
20:11And you've got to get to caller 14, which means you have to cycle through these callers.
20:18What are you laughing at?
20:19I don't understand.
20:20Why does he laugh nervously all the time?
20:22He's so nervous right now.
20:23Why does he get so nervous?
20:26All right.
20:27Did you do weather?
20:28I forget.
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20:32Call them.
20:33954-968-8155.
20:35Chris Perkins from the Sun Sentinel.
20:36If he's not too busy, he'll join us in the next segment.