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03:12The closed area under legal notice number 847 of 262.
03:26you kidding me you kidding me yes and of course that has been the big story since yesterday
03:34good evening trinidad and tobago and the rest of the world i'm marlon hopkinson as always welcome
03:39to beyond the tape with me or should i say with him this evening we do have the policy and
03:46community support uh office uh director and of course this office is attached to the ministry
03:52of homeland security we do have sahir ali mr ali it's always good to see and speak with you thank
03:57thank you for welcoming me here this evening well marlon good evening to you and let me reciprocate
04:03immediately it's also a pleasure now to join you on the platform and um you know thank you very much
04:08um for your warm and kind welcome i know that we have a lot of very important issues to discuss
04:13good evening to trinidad and tobago good evening to jackie and our technical staff yes um and good
04:18evening to all our law enforcement agencies private security industries um you know very important
04:24times in trinidad and tobago yeah all right so let's get right into it because again a special
04:28operation zone was declared in maloney gardens last night with a curfew from 9 p.m to 5 a.m
04:36and
04:37a point that i want to make here the declaration specifically applies to the maloney buildings
04:44housing development in maloney gardens which falls within policing district 2 now since then there has
04:51been some concerns or have been some concerns from residents of maloney and other areas so i know that
04:58the police commissioner alistair guevaro would have held a news conference earlier today let's hear what
05:03he had to say the first thing i would like to address this morning um is the unfortunate boating
05:10accident which occurred over the weekend um my thoughts and prayers firstly uh with the families
05:17that endure the uncertainty and grief arising from the strategy from this tragedy and i want to assure
05:24them that the general public and the general public that the investigation is being undertaken
05:29and will be thorough and will examine all the evidence which we obtain with that in mind i'm asking
05:37all persons who have any information as it relates to this horrible accident to come forward someone may
05:45have a video someone may have witnessed something before even after the accident that can assist us in
05:53putting the pieces together i also want to recognize the efforts being undertaken by the various
05:58agencies like the tran-tobago coast guard the coastal and air support unit hunters search and rescue
06:05even the private citizens and foreign visitors who are currently assisting with the search and rescue operations
06:12i also want to urge the public to allow the respective agencies to do their jobs
06:19and allow the fact-finding process to take its course
06:23as this matter is currently an active investigation and i will not be divulging any further details as it
06:29relates to the investigation next i would like to address the situation in maloney
06:37on the morning of the 9th of november 2026 that was just monday i was sent a viral social media
06:46video which purported to have been a recording taking in the maloney building of children who were forced to duck
06:56and run
06:58and in an act of desperation to seek cover in an effort to save their lives
07:07as commissioner of police i found that footage deeply disturbing
07:11and immediately upon reviewing that video i contacted the divisional commander for the area senior superintendent
07:18avalon frank and directed that immediate action be taken
07:23a series of law enforcement operations were subsequently conducted
07:28utilizing traditional policing methods in an effort to identify the offenders
07:33recover the firearms and restore public safety
07:37but despite those efforts intelligence continued
07:42to reveal an escalating and dangerous situation
07:45involving gangs who utilize the said maloney housing development
07:49as a place of refuge intelligence also indicated
07:54that these incidents were linked to historical gang conflicts
07:58which in the past have resulted in fatal
08:02reprisals and protracted cycles of violence
08:06most concerning to me was the fact that innocent citizens were being caught in the crossfire
08:14the video which circulated nationally and internationally
08:19was not merely a recording of a criminal act
08:21it was a visual representation of ordinary citizens
08:27law abiding citizens being terrorized
08:31as commissioner of police i found that footage deeply disturbing
08:36and immediately upon reviewing that video
08:39i contacted the divisional commander for the area senior superintendent avalon frank
08:44and directed that immediate action be taken
08:47a series of law enforcement operations were subsequently conducted
08:53utilizing traditional policing methods in an effort to identify the offenders
08:57recover the firearms and restore public safety
09:01but despite those efforts intelligence continued to reveal an escalating
09:08and dangerous situation involving gangs who utilize the said maloney housing development
09:14as a place of refuge intelligence also indicated that these incidents were linked to historical
09:21gang conflicts which in the past have resulted in fatal reprisals and protracted cycles of violence
09:31most concerning to me was the fact that innocent citizens were being caught in the crossfire
09:37the video which circulated nationally and internationally was not merely a recording of a criminal act
09:46it was a visual representation of ordinary citizens law-abiding citizens being terrorized
09:55it showed women running for cover
09:57it showed little children fleeing in panic and it showed a community being held hostage by criminality
10:07no citizen in trinidad and tobago should live with that
10:13having carefully reviewed the intelligence the operational assessments and the legal requirements
10:20i took the necessary steps to invoke provisions of the security special operations act 2026
10:26the president subsequently exercised her authority under section 111 of the act and declared the maloney building's housing development
10:37located within the policing district 2 as a closed area this was later published in legal notice 847 of 2026
10:48and a curfew was placed via legal notice 848 of 2026 that curfew is from 9 pm to 5 am
10:56nightly let me make this
10:58lucidly clear
11:00as long as i hold the office of commissioner of police
11:04i will utilize every
11:07lawful authority and every lawful tool
11:10available to me to protect the citizens of trinidad and tobago
11:16and to borrow a famous line
11:20if you was close in your fridge and you didn't hear me say the first time i will say it
11:24again
11:25as long as i hold the office of commissioner of police
11:28i will utilize every lawful power and every lawful authority and every lawful tool
11:37available to me to protect the citizens of trinidad and tobago
11:42the special operations act was enacted to be used when circumstances demand it
11:49and the circumstances demanded it i have been asked two questions repeatedly since last night
11:56the first is and this may preempt some of the media
11:59how long will maloney remain a closed area and my answer is simply the operation will remain in effect
12:09for as long as is lawfully necessary to ensure public safety
12:17and the second question i'm being asked is what specific operations will be conducted in the area
12:24and my answer is equally as simple it would not be prudent responsible or operationally sung to
12:32disclose the nature scope and timing or extent of current of future law enforcement activities
12:39operational security remains paramount all right so police commissioner alistair guevaro at a news
12:46conference earlier today making some very very significant points saying that gangs are using the development
12:54as a place of refuge he speaks about law-abiding citizens being terrorized and he speaks about an
13:00escalating and dangerous development and he says that this is going to continue meaning the
13:07special operations zone that is going to continue as long as it is lawfully effective
13:14well marlon in simple or in summary to what the commissioner of police have indicated what he
13:19and for the purposes of the citizenry is important in legally speaking section 11 of the special
13:25operations act the commissioner of police has presented the information slash facts that justifies
13:31the declaration under section 11 to declare the maloney area as a closed area coupled with the declaration
13:39of a curfew between the period 9 pm and 5 am and just to go a little bit deeper into
13:45that
13:46the commissioner has clearly identified that the prevalence of firearms violent crimes and the
13:52community being placed basically the hands of gang related activities which threatens public safety and peace
14:03orthodox methods of policing were executed which proves insufficient which led to him invoking
14:11the special operations act to be able to restore public safety and peace in the maloney area in simplicity so
14:18what he has given us he has given us the information and facts that invoke the special operations act the
14:25first declaration to justify the police action in simplicity and very importantly in terms of the duration
14:35as long as long as it is lawfully necessary and that will be supported by based on the intelligence
14:42that is unfolding a very serious matter very serious circumstances and you know all i'll add to the
14:47commissioner police um presentation is for the cooperation and support of the citizenry of trinidad and
14:56tobago and you notice i said not the persons who are in the area of maloney the citizenry of trinidad
15:00and tobago because if the maloney head is hurting the person in south foot should be feeling the pain
15:08and that's the level of support that we need and the response we need as a country
15:12to deal with crime and criminality in trinidad and tobago yeah jackie how much time do i have again
15:17oh i do have some time um so i wanted to speak to you about because since this was declared
15:25yesterday yes
15:27i think that there have been some criticisms over the past few hours and the criticisms have been
15:35really what about the law abiding citizen what about the nurse that has to go on shift what what about
15:43persons who need to traverse between the hours of of of 9 pm and 5 am where do they get
15:52this permission
15:53as it were from the authorities to to carry about their business well malon very very important question
16:01and i'm advised that within the closed area they are established booth that is set up to facilitate
16:11the issuing of permits for persons leaving the area or will be returning to the area so that's the
16:18first point i'd like to make that the areas have been set up to facilitate the issuing of permits
16:24i want to add something from a legal context the permit issue is a very serious matter and what i'm
16:31saying is a serious matter to build on the police commissioners press conference persons who are
16:37enjoying the permit or should say let me even go before persons who do not have a permit and intend
16:43to be leaving the area you may just be caught in the breach of the law that gives rise to
16:49very serious
16:49criminal offenses heavy penalty by custodial sentence and those who are issued with permits i want to also
16:56advise you to be pay attention to the conditions in which your permit will be grounded because a breach of
17:03condition can also force you to be answering very serious questions so one thing is to talk about
17:10the permit to be able to move the second thing is to ensure that you are in compliance with the
17:15permit
17:16or the conditions of the permit very brilliant question marlon in terms of where the citizenry and
17:20those persons particularly in that area is concerned and this permit is not transferable well
17:27the i have not seen what one of the permit looks like but in these instances this permit will be
17:33issued to an individual from my understanding unless as i said before the conditions please pay attention
17:40to the conditions so that that question that you answer asking will be clearly answered on the permit
17:45whether the permit is specific to an individual whether the permit is for an organization whether the permit
17:50can be transferred unless so in what circumstances please be binded by the conditions but as it's done
17:55the permit will be to the individual and binding the individual in terms of his or her movement and
18:01these permits are going to be enforced during or should i say um throughout the duration of this
18:09continuing exercise well most certainly if you are making an application for a permit of course your
18:14circumstances will be taken into consideration so that permit will basically take into account whether
18:18you are daily worker whether you are you know whether you are required to be moving um and what at
18:23what time so
18:23again the details that will replace any permit is important and that will govern what you are required
18:29to do and of course lawful actions yes and of course before residents in the area approach this booth i
18:38suspect they should have maybe some type of documentation in their possession very important point well marlon i
18:46think that you are actually turning the pages of that legislation because within that legislation as well
18:51during a closed area of operation and where curfews in existence it also calls for the requirement of
18:57persons to be in possession of ids to be able to identify with who you are so so to build
19:04on that if
19:04you are going to that particular booth to access or to apply for a permit it's only natural that the
19:09police
19:09will be require legitimate information in terms of who you are because the permit of course will be
19:15executed based on your information and your data that you are submitting may i advise the citizenry
19:22that you need to be using legitimate documents so do not be engaging in fraudulent conduct just in
19:28case someone may be in an area that they shouldn't be and presenting a false id those are criminal
19:33offenses and will be dealt with so please ensure that you're upholding the law in all its respects all
19:38right so we have just scratched the surface here because i know that for our viewers and for callers you
19:45would
19:46have a number of questions that you would want to pose to mr ali uh this evening so here's what
19:50let's take in
19:51some headlines first
19:54so
20:22All right, some of the headlines there.
20:24And remember, these are the numbers that you are going to be given so that you can call us a
20:30little later.
20:30They are 623-17-11.
20:32The extensions are 1996 and 1997.
20:35And also, you do have the opportunity to share your videos with us here on Beyond the Tape.
20:41You can do so by emailing to BeyondTheTape1.
20:45Ah, boy.
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20:58All right?
20:59So, here's what.
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24:37All right, everybody.
24:39So, welcome back.
24:39Just a reminder
24:40That you're calling us
24:41On 623-1711
24:42The extensions are 1996
24:43And 1997
24:45If you'd allow me
24:48To return to Maloney
24:49Because what about the argument
24:52Why is this operation
24:55As it were
24:55Taking so many days
24:58Because some persons
25:00Would have argued
25:01That here's what
25:02It is
25:03Or it would have been
25:05Most important
25:09Or to get the most
25:13Out of this exercise
25:14When the exercise
25:16Would have been initiated
25:18So, in the initiation phase
25:21You have the 9pm to 5am
25:23And then after 5am
25:26It is relaxed
25:27And then you resume
25:29At 9 to 5 again
25:31So, again, the argument
25:33Has been
25:34Why is this operation
25:36Or operations such as these
25:38Going to take days
25:39When it should have been
25:41Most important
25:43To deal with the
25:44Whatever the problem is
25:46Almost
25:48Immediately
25:51Maloney, I think it's important
25:52For us to
25:53Be cognizant of the
25:54Intelligence
25:55And what may be
25:56Developing intelligence
25:57It may also be important
25:59To recognize that
26:00At the start of the operation
26:02And I'm speaking from
26:03My policing experience as well
26:05You may have
26:06Gotten intelligence
26:07In relation to
26:08A
26:09But while you're on a grong
26:11You've got intelligence
26:12That there may be
26:13B, C, D
26:14So, in other words
26:15It would all depend on
26:16Hence why the police commissioner
26:17Would have quite rightly indicated
26:19That once there is
26:20Lawful reason
26:23For the continuation
26:24Of the operation
26:25It will continue
26:25So that
26:27It has to be something
26:28That is fluid
26:28When you're speaking
26:29About firearms
26:30Ammunition
26:30Gang members
26:31You're talking about
26:32Violent crimes
26:33You know
26:34It is a very complex matter
26:35And importantly here
26:37It's important for us
26:39To understand
26:39In terms of
26:39How we are
26:40Gathering the evidence
26:42Evidence in itself
26:43Need a very careful approach
26:44To be able to obtain
26:46This evidence
26:46And you know
26:47Something that
26:47Might be of significance
26:49Because you take me back
26:50To that Maloney area
26:51When you have a closed area
26:53What the law has now provided for
26:56Is searches of houses
26:58Without warrant
27:00So could you imagine that
27:01Where we have those
27:02Building structure
27:04I'm not aware
27:05But there are numerous apartments
27:07That will require
27:08Very surgical
27:10Approaches
27:10And in some cases
27:13May even call for
27:14Expertise to come in
27:15From the outside
27:15To be able to search
27:16Those buildings properly
27:17With the assistance
27:18From maybe
27:20You know
27:21The experts
27:22You know
27:23That may be able
27:24To assist law enforcement
27:25For example
27:26You may have to go
27:26Into a rooftop
27:27Yes
27:28Law enforcement may need
27:29Additional expertise
27:29To do that
27:30So it will all depend
27:31On what the intelligence
27:32Is suggesting
27:33On the ground
27:34And what additional intelligence
27:35Because the commissioner
27:36Made a very clarion call
27:37For the citizenry
27:39Those in the area
27:39And out of the area
27:40To provide the intelligence
27:42As we go along
27:43So could you imagine
27:44That there is some
27:44There may be a level
27:45Of comfort now
27:46In the area
27:47Where a person may feel
27:48Sufficiently moved
27:49To say
27:50I'm happy that you all here
27:51Now look
27:52Additional intelligence
27:53Yeah
27:53Let's take a call
27:54Good evening caller
27:56Caller good evening
27:59Is he calling there
28:01Caller good evening
28:03Yes good evening
28:04Mr Ali
28:04Good afternoon to you
28:06Go ahead
28:06Studio if you can
28:08Turn up the audio
28:09A little bit
28:10Yeah
28:11Alright
28:13Mr Hopkinson
28:13Welcome
28:14I want to share
28:17A few pointers
28:19Yeah
28:20Concerning
28:21The state
28:22Of our nation
28:23One
28:24I am in total agreement
28:26With our
28:27Commissioner of police
28:28And those of the day
28:30In taking the necessary
28:32Action
28:32That they have taken
28:33In Maloney
28:35Secondly
28:36The unfortunate
28:38Loss of life
28:39That took place
28:40In Shadramas
28:40There needs to be
28:42Legislation brought
28:43Into play
28:44To take control
28:45Of such
28:45And lastly
28:47Sir
28:48I think this is
28:50Going
28:50As this is flying
28:51Under the radar
28:51Of the nation
28:52A young lady
28:53Lost her life
28:54Recently
28:55On the priority
28:56Bus route
28:57I am a user
28:59Of the roads
28:59From San Fernando
29:01To Mayaro
29:01To Biggo Martin
29:02To Tuku
29:03And I am
29:05Often seeing
29:06The recklessness
29:08Sir
29:09I am often
29:10Seeing the recklessness
29:11Of those in authority
29:13That we entrust
29:14To enforce policies
29:16As in today
29:17I saw them
29:18Buying food
29:19I be specific
29:20I saw them
29:21Buying food
29:22And after buying food
29:23They stopped
29:24In forest
29:24To speak to a friend
29:25Of theirs
29:26I am not going
29:27To call locations
29:28I am not going
29:28To call out
29:29Number 8 of vehicle
29:30But third
29:31Something needs
29:32To be done
29:33To hold people
29:34Culpable
29:35When you are
29:37Given the authority
29:38And the power
29:39To police our nations
29:41Gentlemen
29:41You have a wonderful evening
29:43And Marlon
29:44Welcome back home
29:45Thank you
29:46Only for now
29:46Whitney returns tomorrow
29:49This is just a cameo
29:51Cameo appearance
29:52Speak a little bit
29:53To the law
29:55Abiding citizen
29:57Because you know
29:59When things
30:00Or should I say
30:02Exercises
30:03Such as these
30:04Are initiated
30:06There is
30:07Sometimes
30:08The claim
30:10Or the argument
30:11Or the fear
30:13Or the concern
30:13As to how this
30:15Is going to affect
30:16The law
30:17Abiding citizen
30:19Very important
30:20To balance the scales
30:21Marlon
30:22And let me indicate
30:24At the outset
30:24That the
30:25And I think
30:26The police commissioner
30:27Would have covered it
30:27If not in the
30:28What we heard
30:29In terms of
30:29Oral context
30:30But within the
30:31Overall publication
30:34The officers
30:35Who are engaging
30:36The operation
30:36Would have been
30:37Trained in
30:38Human rights
30:39And we are
30:40Speaking specifically
30:41About rights
30:42Understanding
30:43The citizens' rights
30:45Including
30:45Persons who may be
30:47Offenders
30:47Understanding their rights
30:49As well
30:49Secondly
30:50With reference
30:51To the use of force
30:52Those officers
30:53And by extension
30:54Defense force officers
30:55Were also trained
30:56To understand
30:58To understand
30:58The use of force
30:59From a policy context
31:01And even from a
31:02Statutory context
31:03And also
31:05The de-escalation
31:06Tactics
31:07They have also been
31:08Trained together
31:09With some other
31:10Community relation matters
31:11So I indicate
31:12To lend some comfort
31:14That the officers
31:15Are also advised
31:17That they need to
31:17While they may be
31:18Very strong
31:19And deep powers
31:20That these powers
31:21Must be exercised
31:22With full respect
31:23For the rights
31:24Of the citizens
31:25Including persons
31:26Who may be
31:26Deemed offenders
31:27Because their rights
31:28Are also important
31:29Now something very
31:30Significant here
31:31And you know
31:33Become wearing
31:33That legal hat
31:34As well
31:34Important for me
31:35To balance that scale
31:36This legislation
31:37Does not prohibit
31:38Any report being made
31:39To the police
31:40Complaints authority
31:40Or the professional
31:42Standards
31:42I want to make
31:43That abundantly clear
31:44So citizens
31:45Who may be
31:46In a situation
31:48Where they feel
31:48Aggrieved by a situation
31:49You still have
31:51That authority
31:52Under law
31:52To be able to
31:53Lodge your report
31:54To the police
31:55Complaints authority
31:56Or the professional
31:57Standards
31:57Bureau
31:57To hold those officers
31:59And by extension
32:00Even the defense force
32:00Officers who are
32:01Supporting
32:02Accountable
32:03For the actions
32:04So Marlon again
32:05I'm happy that
32:05You are opening up
32:06You know
32:07Different aspects
32:08Of this special
32:09Operations act
32:10For the benefit
32:11Of the citizenry
32:11Of Trinidad and Tobago
32:12Because while we
32:13Are speaking Maloney
32:14You do not know
32:15Within the few
32:16Near
32:17Between the next
32:17Couple days or months
32:18Whether other areas
32:20May be impacted
32:21So it's important
32:21For us to learn
32:22And to be educated
32:23At an early stage
32:25Alright Jackie
32:26Have I used up
32:27My time
32:27Alright so when
32:29We come back
32:29We are going to
32:30Focus a little bit
32:31On what would have
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35:49Yes, welcome back everybody
35:51So here's what
35:52Just like the old time days
35:53Boy, right?
35:54So here's what
35:55We do have this for you
35:57And it's from a gentleman
35:58Known to you
36:00He's here every Monday
36:01So the head of the
36:04Hunter's Search and Rescue Team
36:06Captain Valance Rambarat
36:08As he speaks about
36:09What's the latest
36:11Concerning the investigations
36:12Reeshag Ramos
36:27We were informed that it's probably six
36:35Following the collision of two boats
36:39I'm just sitting here
36:41And right here
36:42Just to send the feed island here
36:45Just to send the feed island here
36:47A little bit over there
36:49I'll get to a little bit
36:51A little bit
36:53But I send the feed island here
36:56In front here
36:57And this is the
36:58Coast Guard
37:06And the collision
37:08The collision
37:10The actual collision
37:11And the collision
37:12Would have happened
37:13I'm approaching it
37:14So there's Coast Guard here
37:20Right, so we approaching
37:22The collision
37:23We were just past
37:27Coast Guard headquarters
37:29And midway between
37:31St. Jude Island
37:33Which is there
37:35It's the same
37:37There
37:38And the Coast Guard headquarters
37:40All right
37:41So there's that
37:43Burry island
37:46This is the crew here
37:47Let me just
37:53This is the crew here
37:54We're just coming out
37:54This is our crew here
37:57This is our crew here
38:03Alright
38:11So what Captain Rambarat
38:16has been speaking about is this exercise that continues. So they have been out there since
38:27this incident occurred on the weekend and from what we have learned over the past few days is
38:36that it has been discovered that a sixth person is now missing. So as you're seeing there and
38:46we do apologize for the quality of the of the audio but it is because of the wind that is
38:52hitting the
38:53the mic on his phone and that's why you're getting that distortion. All right so the investigation
38:59continues, the search continues. Mr. Ali as you look at this situation I'm sure that you like the
39:07rest of the country you have been monitoring this situation and looking while investigations
39:15continue at some of the circumstances that are being reported in connection with this matter.
39:21Your take? Well you know Marlon I want to begin by indicating that I know that the national community
39:25have you know gotten involved in this matter and I know that you know they have been extending
39:31you know prayer and other concern for the families of you know these individuals. Very unfortunate
39:37situation but again you know all I'll say coming out of this situation and it's just unfortunate that
39:41something has to happen you know for us to look into this area. You know many commentators you know spoke
39:47about the need to regulate this particular area and in terms of the Marine Service Division or the
39:55Maritime Service Division under the Ministry of Works and Transport it's important for us to look at
39:59those policies and you know to even if need be to put it into legislation to ensure that these boats
40:05are you know moving along you know these areas that they are one they are there's compliance in terms
40:14of how many persons can be on the boat whether the boat are you know not road but you know
40:19water worthy
40:20as the case may be the persons who are responsible for you know sailing these boats you know very
40:25important circumstances but again when the investigation is concluded and the commissioner spoke about it
40:31perhaps we'll be in the best position to really have a clear understanding as to what exactly happened
40:35we know that there were some survivors and it's important for us to now capture that evidence
40:39from those individuals who know exactly what it has transpired but you know all I'll say is that
40:44it's an uh an opportunity to look into that particular area to ensure that you know we prevent
40:49these things from happening and you know my saying in the interim um persons who are moving along we
40:55know this area is an area that persons go down the islands you know they are out at sea please
40:59do not take these
41:00activities likely is what are you speaking about those are very dangerous matters and if your boat is
41:07not conducive for those waters and especially the waters are choppy and you are carrying persons um
41:13in on and or it's just to say overcrowded you are putting pressure on the vessel and also if you
41:19are not
41:20responsible or you do not have the experience to manage these small craft or these pleasure um these vessels
41:27then you can be placing yourself and everybody else in danger but a very unfortunate situation and
41:32i really hope that you know we can bring some closure one way or the other to the situation marlon
41:36yeah
41:37and this was the situation in carnage last evening and this is a peaceful candlelight vigil
41:48for the victims of this horrible accident on the weekend and you know i was having a conversation
41:56this morning on this issue and the expert who was speaking to me this morning you know what she was
42:05saying to me was a bit troubling um in that if you look at the behavior i don't know if
42:12you have if you
42:13have ever had the opportunity to just go down to the western peninsula and look at the way that
42:19some of the persons there are piloting these vessels it's in a very very dangerous way it it's almost
42:29similar as to how people drive on the nation's highways and byways right and you're seeing you're
42:36you're seeing uh vessels that are overloaded of course in some cases people are drinking yes people
42:43are doing a lot of strange things down there yes and you know marlon i would not be naive to
42:49it as
42:49well you know i've heard that you know from many different corners and um you know if you i don't
42:53know
42:54if you know um for persons who may have been on the waters you know because of the wind yeah
43:00and the of
43:00course the waves and currents and so forth it's natural that a boat will not hold its course all
43:06the time you would have some you know vessels drifting and hence why it's important to be
43:10maintaining safe space and safe space in relation to the terrain that you are treating with this is
43:16not tires on the ground per se i mean if you pick up a skate where you could move into
43:19another vehicle
43:20this is water and water as i said before current wind will be moving that boat so it's important that
43:26you know when you are maneuvering a boat that you are cognizant of these matters so that you can
43:30keep safe distances and you said something important you know we have driving under the
43:35influence of alcohol or dangerous drug this should be a similar circumstances out there
43:41because you are conveying persons and the fact that you have placed the maritime service division
43:46under the ministry of transport it's a form of transport whether from a recreational context
43:50whether from a commercial context whether from a other context you are conveying persons that's
43:55important for you to also be regulated properly in relation to those matters i am certain marlon
43:59that if you check some of those persons who are sailing those boats they don't have training
44:05they are getting and sometimes they are taking chances of course with persons lives and those
44:11are very serious matter malony last time i went over there we were going to carrera on our training
44:15exercise and you know when that boat is going through that water you could actually feel the
44:20intensity of that water that's very serious water it is you know it's troubling and you know i really
44:26hope that closure you know we bring some closure to this this scenario and really get a full
44:31understanding as to what transpired in those situations yes all right we must go to a very
44:34short break everybody we're coming back
44:48mom dad this is trevor hi he's no cure on
45:01back up fling that's why he crossed the road
45:06it was funny when kieran said oh who could that be we're like the parents who don't miss your ex
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48:16I have to make it low now, because a lot of booting accidents, make it low now, just
48:23like when you have compulsory seatbelts, you must compulsory for a life jacket, all passengers
48:30going to the party and going everywhere in the boot, especially if you watch that choppy
48:34water, it's hard to swim around the water, it's really difficult.
48:42Hello?
48:43Yes, go ahead sir, go ahead.
48:44Okay, another thing is before the break of the party, I am noticing something here.
48:49You are talking about PCA, police cops, not already, but either sitting there, you know
48:54I believe, sitting to this police, PCA, crime is more rampant sir, you know why because
49:03they are bad, but they could run to the PCA and get some kind of, some kind of judgment
49:09or freelance or make it look like they said.
49:12That is do a don't know, Mr. Kali.
49:17Get rid of the PCA, get rid of the PCA, it's a problem in this country.
49:23All right, thank you very much, is there anything you want to point to?
49:26Thank you very much Kola, Kola I respect your view and I know how you feel in relation to
49:32the current temperature, but what I want to say to you as well, you know it's important
49:36in a democratic society that there's proper checks and balances and what I will add to
49:40your submission is to emphasize upon the police complaints authority that when allegations
49:45are made and investigations are conducted that there are thorough investigations to ensure
49:49that there is no frivolous complaints made against police officers and investigators properly.
49:55As a matter of fact, if you go into the legislation, you will see that they emphasize the importance
49:59of not making frivolous allegations.
50:02So, if you are going to the PCA, it must be something that is legitimate.
50:05But I feel and I understand your view and I understand the emotions that is unfolding,
50:11but we need to ensure that there's balance in what we are doing.
50:13All right, let's take in this.
50:15It's a video.
50:16Over the weekend, we saw an RT involving a marked police vehicle and last evening a woman
50:21was allegedly struck by a marked TTPS vehicle in the Silver Mill area.
50:26This is in...
50:27All right.
50:29This is the one from last night.
50:37All right, so this involved...
50:41This is where, Jackie?
50:43This is in Silver Mill.
50:45Right.
50:46Where a woman was struck.
50:48Right.
50:49Okay.
50:52So, again, I suspect investigations continue into that matter.
50:58And if I may just make one contribution, I'm not certain of the facts of this matter.
51:02All we're seeing is, you know, the police vehicle coming into contact with another vehicle, right?
51:06Right.
51:07You know, at an intersection.
51:08But what I want to urge, especially, you know, that, you know, there's heightened activities,
51:12you know, to my police brothers and sisters and, by extension, law enforcement.
51:16You know, we let us understand as well that, yes, we may be responding to a situation, a report, a
51:24very urgent matter.
51:26Yes.
51:26But it's important for us as well to be responsible and look at our self-preservation first.
51:31We cannot look to render care if we are not taking care.
51:35And most importantly, we are also responsible for what?
51:38Which is the secondary matter, government property.
51:40So, it's important for us when we are proceeding that we be responsible and also the motor vehicle and road
51:47traffic and regulation, Marlon.
51:48It also applies to us with what? At minimum, and I always make mention of this, driving with due care
51:53and attention.
51:54And I'm not saying that I'm attributing, you know, culpability because I've not seen the facts of this matter.
52:01Yes.
52:01But I'm just saying, generally speaking, including the civilian vehicle, that we all, we need to emphasize, we need to
52:08drive with due care and attention.
52:10And for the law enforcement agencies, even if you are responding to a matter, please ensure that you are responsible
52:16in what you're doing, including if you are approaching intersection.
52:19I would once advise, Marlon, that even if you are approaching an intersection and the light may be green, because
52:24you are approaching an intersection.
52:26Yes.
52:26It's always important to approach that intersection with what? With care.
52:30With due care.
52:30With due care and attention.
52:31Yeah. Let's take a call. Good evening, caller.
52:34Caller, you're there?
52:36Yes, good day.
52:37Yes.
52:38Yes.
52:38Yes.
52:39Two, two questions quickly.
52:42Um, first, um, the curfew and, um, the loony.
52:48You see that, um, the police is saying, sir, that the night, the night time graduate, right?
52:56It's not where they want it to be, then the curfew, it'll be 9 and 5, right?
53:02That is one question.
53:03And secondly, why am I sharing any conversation from the court?
53:22Well, you know, Marlon, I don't think that we need to add to the scholar. The scholar has basically places
53:31two issues very clearly on the public platform.
53:33And I hope that those who are listening, for example, from the Coast Guard and also from the law enforcement
53:38agencies in terms of the question we'll get regarding the curfew.
53:41Yeah.
53:41And as it relates to a position from the Coast Guard in relation to the matter in Shagarmus.
53:45Yeah.
53:45I don't think we need to add anything to that.
53:46Yeah.
53:47All right, um, Mr. Ali, let's wrap up. We just have about two minutes again.
53:51Anything else you'd like to add before we, um, stop this evening? Whitney returns tomorrow, right?
53:59Yeah.
54:01Go ahead, Mr. Ali.
54:02Well, Marlon, you know, um, you know, it's always an honor to share a platform with you.
54:06Yes.
54:06And, you know, very knowledgeable, very experienced, and, you know, um, you know, you manage, you know, the business very
54:12well.
54:12Um, and I know, you know, as, what should I say, one of the founding members of Beyond the Tape,
54:17you know, over the years, I know you have brought, um, a lot of supremacy to this platform.
54:20So, again, it was an honor to join you on the platform. I missed you on the last occasion. I
54:24had something to do.
54:25Mm-hmm.
54:25And I told Jackie, I say I missed Marlon, you know, on that occasion, but it's good so often, you
54:30know, to come on board.
54:31But generally speaking, I think this afternoon, you raised some very important issues for the benefit of the people of
54:36Trinidad and Tobago.
54:37And I think that when you have a Special Operations Act, which is basically virgin to all of us, including
54:41the person who has to enforce it, I want to urge you, citizenry, as a message this afternoon, take time
54:46and read that legislation.
54:48Knowledge is power. Read that legislation so that you can assist in ensuring that that legislation is enforced smoothly and
54:56there are no issues.
54:57And, you know, a lot is happening in Trinidad and Tobago, not only from our Special Operations context, but you
55:02have seen the accident.
55:04I urge you, citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago, let us be responsible. A lot is happening.
55:09Let us be responsible and let us continue to play our role in relation to preventing crime and criminality in
55:14Trinidad and Tobago.
55:15And, you know, as we move closer to the festive season, that is happening as well.
55:19A lot of international observance. Let us really, you know, pay attention to that.
55:23But Marlon, it's always a pleasure. And thank you very much for the opportunity.
55:2630 seconds I do have. Do I have 30 seconds?
55:29Speak about the importance of especially the residents in Maloney working with the police.
55:35Critical. Very, very critical. And, you know, there's a saying by Sir Robert Peel, the police is the public and
55:40the public is the police.
55:41So, even if you are seeing persons in uniform or who have the ID, you also have a responsibility because
55:47you have been in that community.
55:49You know the design of that community better than anyone else.
55:51So, you need to direct the police covertly exactly where they will achieve those firearms and ammunition that was placing
55:58that community at the hands of criminal gang and gang related activities.
56:01You see, because sometimes I think that when sometimes the police, they come into communities.
56:07Yes. I think that there's always a sort of knee jerk reaction to fight back.
56:13Yes. Instead of working with the police.
56:15Yes.
56:15Well, I think it's important and the commissioner would have made reference to that viral video.
56:18And that video is significant in terms of how it placed public safety and security in that area at Prejudiced.
56:24Yeah.
56:25You know, so it's important for us to understand that we are there and I say we, I'm putting myself
56:28into it, we are there to restore public safety and security.
56:32Yes.
56:32And what better way to do it by a strong partnership with the people who have to enjoy that community.
56:37All right. So, Mr. Ali, always good to see and speak with you. Thank you very much for coming today.
56:42News is up next, everybody. Repeat tomorrow morning at 11 o'clock.
56:47Whitney returns tomorrow. Bye, everybody. See you in the morning.
57:02Bye, everybody.