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00:00I want an opinion right now, not a report.
00:04Do you believe that Todd Munkin made the right decision to start Deshaun Watson
00:09on Sunday against the Houston Texans?
00:12I do. I really do.
00:14And I mentioned some of these reasons yesterday, I think.
00:18And the primary one is the fact I think that Deshaun Watson just has a better grasp
00:24on the offense and the overall running of the show.
00:28And even though Shadour has the edge in the explosive plays
00:32and those can make up for a lot of ills, I think down for down,
00:36I think that Deshaun Watson is just kind of better at getting the play called,
00:41executing the play, managing the motions, sliding the protections,
00:46going through his progressions, and all of those kinds of things.
00:49Was it ever really in doubt, Mary Kay, or was this some gamesmanship
00:56or, hey, there's a trade deadline, we're not going to talk about any of our quarterbacks
01:01in any kind of a role just in case somebody has an incredible offer
01:05for any of the guys that are in that quarterback room?
01:09I think it was a couple of things.
01:11I think, first of all, I think there was some competitive advantage going on
01:15that if you can make the Texans guess through Tuesday who your quarterback is,
01:20that's going to set them back or at least divide their time
01:23in terms of having to prepare for two different quarterbacks.
01:26So I think there was some of that.
01:27And then the other thing is, I think genuinely Todd wanted to really sit down
01:31with especially his quarterback's coach, Mike Bajakian,
01:35and maybe see how they were viewing things and what they saw on that film
01:39and how they felt about moving forward.
01:41So I think that had a lot to do with it too.
01:43I think Mike Bajakian has a lot of influence over how things are done
01:48and what's going on with the quarterback situation,
01:51and I really think that he wanted to huddle up with him.
01:55Mary Kay, join us right now.
01:56You broke the news yesterday on social media and our show about this job.
02:03Do you think Shador at all, this is unfair to him in that it left it open
02:09that he could be the starting quarterback,
02:11that he played so well in the fourth quarter in overtime,
02:13and now the football is being taken back from him?
02:17I don't think it's unfair.
02:18That's not the way to characterize this at all.
02:21I mean, think about the fact that Deshaun Watson suffered a concussion
02:24against the Steelers, came in and self-reported knowing,
02:28knowing that it was going to be very difficult for him to get back on the field
02:32on Sunday.
02:33But he did that anyways, which is what you really have to do as a professional
02:36because you don't want to hurt the football team.
02:38So he did that, and he has won five games for this team,
02:43and he's won them in dramatic fashion.
02:45So I don't think that one loss in overtime trumps five victories
02:53in similar dramatic fashion.
02:55Mary Kay Cabot joining us here on the Wise Hard Right.
02:57We make it right, call cow, right hotline.
03:00Is there any internal concerns?
03:02Some people are sending us some advanced numbers, metrics, et cetera, et cetera,
03:07about Spencer Fano.
03:08I know he's had a rough game and a half recently,
03:10and some people are going, actually, Kenny's a lot worse than what you are
03:13making him out to be.
03:14Is there any concern in the building about Spencer Fano or Austin Barber
03:18or some of the other guys on the offensive line?
03:21I wouldn't say concern right now.
03:23I would say, of course, they recognize that these are two rookies that are going
03:27to have their growing pains, and as teams get film on them,
03:30they are figuring out more and more how to attack them, how to beat them.
03:34But you have to support those guys.
03:36If you see that Spencer Fano needs some additional help, some additional chipping
03:40and those kinds of things, then you're going to have to provide that.
03:43Or you're going to have to scheme it up in such a way that you do whatever you can
03:47to make sure that he's supported and able to maximize his talents and abilities.
03:51Now, Todd told us yesterday he's not benching anybody.
03:54So this is it.
03:55They have to have their growing pains, and they're also going to all have to dig
03:58a little bit deeper to come up with a better performance individually.
04:01If Titus Howard wasn't on a three-year contract, would he or DeJuan Jones be
04:05starting over at right tackle?
04:07You know, that's hard to say.
04:09Again, I think the whole entire offensive line needs to elevate a bit.
04:13But one thing that makes it difficult is they don't have much of a running game
04:17right now, and the offensive linemen, they love to run block.
04:21We know that from talking to these guys so often over the years.
04:25So they don't have much of a running game.
04:27That makes it difficult.
04:28So they're pass blocking a whole lot, and I just think that they need to keep working
04:35together and keep repping it and repping it, and the coaches need to do whatever they can
04:39to scheme it up so that they can take pressure off of a lot of these guys.
04:43And I think a better running game would certainly help.
04:45And, of course, it goes hand in hand.
04:47You need better run blocking to get the better run game.
04:49But maybe you can do some different things with personnel.
04:53I'm not exactly sure what the answer is.
04:55Of course, if I knew the answer, they would know the answer.
04:58And, you know...
04:59It'll be a lot happier, yeah.
05:01And they're doing everything they can.
05:03It's not going to get any easier this weekend because, of course, the Texans, it's a good
05:07defense.
05:07It's an attack-style defense.
05:09They lead the NFL.
05:10They're tied for the NFL lead with 29 sacks.
05:13They had eight on Justin Herbert in this past game.
05:16This is going to be a really, really difficult game.
05:18And I'm not trying to be a nasty person, Mary Kay.
05:20But I have to ask, then, you just gave that answer about the offensive line.
05:24Then, is there a crisis of confidence at all in Quinshawn Judkins as a running back
05:28and his lack of productivity?
05:31I think it all goes hand in hand.
05:33I think they're all learning each other.
05:34I think they're all learning the blocking schemes.
05:37I think they're all getting their seed legs.
05:39And they're all sort of figuring everything out.
05:41But, certainly, I think there has to be some different ways you can attack the running game.
05:46And I don't know if it's more, John.
05:48But one of the things that hasn't helped is that they don't have a blocking tight end.
05:51And they were trying to get one at the trade deadline.
05:53It didn't work out.
05:55There was one iron that they had in the fire.
05:57And it didn't come to fruition.
05:59So, that doesn't help.
06:00And then, this week, their fullback is kind of injured.
06:04So, don't know how that's going to go.
06:06But, they need to get really creative in how they are going to try to run the football.
06:11They have to have a good running game if they're going to have anything else.
06:15And I don't think it's just one thing or another.
06:18I think it's everyone working together a little bit better.
06:20And then, I would use more personnel or different personnel and scheme it up a little bit differently.
06:25Mary Kay, as we get further along in this season,
06:28the Browns' defense kind of regressing to the mean, the blowout losses,
06:33and the poor defensive play against Jacksonville, Pittsburgh,
06:37and late against Tyler Shook and the Saints,
06:40and also giving up those rushing yards to the former Browns.
06:43Estime, is there reason for alarm right now on that side of the football?
06:49Well, certainly in the run defense, yes.
06:53I think there is cause for some alarm.
06:55And they need to get it together.
06:58They're not going to be able to win consistently if they cannot stop the run.
07:03Teams are just teeing off on them in that regard.
07:05And it's really been hurting them.
07:07And each week, you think they're going to get it together, and they don't.
07:11And these defenders are just going to have to dig really deep
07:14to find that better tackling within themselves.
07:17And the coaches are going to have to try to scheme it up a little bit better.
07:20Again, they're getting gashed and attacked a little bit here and there
07:24against their own scheme, their attack-style scheme.
07:27There are ways to beat it, and teams are exploiting that.
07:30And then the next team is doing the same thing.
07:32I mean, the Saints were averaging 86.6 yards per game for 29th in the NFL.
07:38They rushed for 160 on the Browns.
07:41That's unacceptable.
07:43And then part of it is that the Browns can't run the ball,
07:46so you're not necessarily sustaining drives and chewing time off the clock
07:51and stacking plays.
07:53So it goes hand in hand.
07:55Did they get trade calls about any of the quarterbacks?
07:58I don't know yet.
07:59I'm still digging around about some of that.
08:01They may have gotten some inquiries,
08:03but I don't think that they really wanted to move any of them,
08:06and someone would have had to make an offer that they couldn't refuse.
08:09And so a third-day pick probably wasn't going to do it.
08:13I don't know the details yet,
08:14but hopefully I'll have more over the next few days.
08:18The rough starts seems to now be a common theme,
08:23whether it's Deshaun Watson or the one game that we've seen from Shador Sanders.
08:28What can Todd do to try to get them scheming in a way
08:32where they can actually start the game off on the right foot and build a lead?
08:37Well, it's the multimillion-dollar question.
08:41It's really, really been difficult to figure that out.
08:43They have been outscored more than anybody else in the first quarter of these games,
08:48and no matter what they try to do, it's not working for them.
08:52And I think one thing to remember about this football team,
08:55even though they are 5-4 right now
08:57and have done some really nice things
08:58and pulled out some victories in the end of games,
09:01this is a young football team.
09:03It's a really, really young team,
09:04and they're learning a whole entire new scheme,
09:06and they're just not a well-oiled machine yet.
09:10And as Todd tries to tell us over and over again,
09:12they're under construction, and that's so very true.
09:15They're under construction from top to bottom,
09:17from the coaching staff all the way down to everything at the bottom.
09:21So they're still figuring it out,
09:25and I don't know what the answer is,
09:29but I don't know.
09:30I would try some different things.
09:31I would pull a few rabbits out of the hat.
09:33I mean, I would – you guys know I've said this over and over and over,
09:36and they're not going to do this,
09:37but I would throw Taylor Greene out there
09:39and see what he can do in certain situations.
09:42Whoa!
09:43Mary Kay, I swear I was going to be like,
09:45what else can they do?
09:46And I'm like, well, that's something they could do.
09:48They could.
09:48That'd be different.
09:49Holy sweet potatoes.
09:51Well, I mean, he's fast.
09:53He's tall.
09:54He's played a lot of football.
09:55He's a weapon.
09:56I feel like he could be a weapon in some way.
09:58And I'm sure they will not do that,
10:00and I'm sure nobody in the building agrees with me on that,
10:03that he could go out there and make a difference for you in some way.
10:07But they need something.
10:08I mean, they're not really necessarily scoring the points,
10:11especially when Deshaun has been back there.
10:14They have not been scoring the points that they need to score.
10:16I mean, remember, in his last three or four starts,
10:19they've scored 12, 13, and six points.
10:22That's not going to cut it.
10:23So they need to do some things differently.
10:25Let me just get ahead of this right now.
10:28Reese is watching, and he can hear us.
10:31I know you're going to put out a video, Reese.
10:33Be careful how you frame it.
10:34Don't even make it seem like she's saying to start Taylor Greene
10:38or anything like that.
10:39Okay?
10:40I'm not trying to make the rest of the ladies' day hell.
10:43But it would be fun if he actually did title it that.
10:45No.
10:46No, it wouldn't.
10:47Because I did hear her say something like that.
10:49We love Mary Kay.
10:50She's saying she would – again, what was the context you'd throw Taylor Greene
10:54out there?
10:54Because my mind just went blank.
10:56I don't care.
10:57I'm talking about a pack.
10:58I'm not talking about, okay?
11:00I'm not talking about him starting the game.
11:03I'm talking about give him something to do, maybe on the goal line.
11:06Maybe he would have looked good on the goal line against the Saints, right?
11:09It couldn't have gone any worse.
11:11But, yes, I would try something with him just to see if you can get a spark.
11:16Let me ask you this, though.
11:17If they – okay, say business as usual.
11:20And they – well, how do you do that?
11:22Okay, because Taylor Greene is like the fourth quarterback of the emergency
11:25quarterback, right?
11:27So, how could you put him out there?
11:30Like, because I'm like, well, let's – you want to get nuts?
11:32Let's get nuts.
11:32Let's put him out there.
11:33Just because somebody else is named the starter doesn't mean that you actually
11:36have to start him, does it?
11:37Do you have to start – do you have to go out there the first play of the game
11:40and go out there with Deshaun Watts?
11:42Or are you going to be like, I'm going to throw my backup out there for the first
11:44game?
11:44Hell, just because he's listed as a starter don't mean he's going to start,
11:47start, or do you have to start him?
11:50Oh, you have to start him.
11:51That's not what I'm talking about.
11:52So, the start – I'm just saying, the starting quarterback – I can't believe
11:55I'm having this conversation.
11:56I'm sorry, Mary Kay.
11:57The starting quarterback literally has to take the first snap of the game.
12:02No.
12:02No, no, no.
12:03Okay.
12:03All I'm saying is that you can use Talon in maybe some kind of a Taysom Hill way.
12:09You can use Talon in other ways.
12:12And maybe they'll do something like that towards the end of the season.
12:15Maybe they'll do something like that after the bye week.
12:17But I think they have a very fast, big weapon who also has an arm on the football
12:22team.
12:23And once things seem to go a little bit more south, perhaps, maybe they'll see what
12:29they can get out of him.
12:31All right.
12:31Mary Kay, do you got anything else there, Tom?
12:33Oh, I do.
12:34Mary Kay, I know we've said congratulations on your success before.
12:38No, she lives on the coast of Bay Village.
12:39Well, she's not on the coast, but maybe she has some friends who are.
12:42Would they have a problem if Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey moved next door and potentially
12:48obstructed their views of the lake, of the horizon, of the sunset, of downtown?
12:55She's been a successful lady.
12:56I'm interested to hear this.
12:58I would.
12:58Yeah, I would think so.
12:59I would think that you would want to protect your real estate and your views and your land.
13:05Those lake views are very precious.
13:07So I would think that anyone in Bay Village or Rocky River or Avon or anywhere would sort
13:15of feel the same way.
13:16But Mary Kay.
13:17It could be Avon Lake.
13:18Mary Kay could, you know, we're talking about a potential, you know, soon-to-be mom and paparazzi.
13:26And wouldn't you want to foster a great relationship with your neighbor that happens also to be a
13:30billionaire?
13:30Interesting.
13:32Well, yes, you certainly would want to do that.
13:34You would want to do that.
13:35But at the same time, I do understand people wanting to make sure that nothing obstructs
13:41their lake views.
13:43See, Mary Kay, she's lived this lifestyle.
13:45She knows I'd be against something like this.
13:47And she's just like, Kenny, you know, just because you're a low-class pig doesn't mean
13:52that people have to go and just do what you say.
13:55Mary Kay, it's okay.
13:56It's okay.
13:56I understand that.
13:57It's all right.
13:59Well, can we talk about, if you guys don't mind.
14:02Why not?
14:04I think one of the most interesting topics right now is wondering, and if we break down
14:10Todd's press conference from yesterday, wondering what's going to happen and what he means by
14:15we are week-to-week and Deshaun Watson is our starter, but, you know, we're week-to-week
14:20right now.
14:21I think that's very significant.
14:22We played that earlier today.
14:23That's interesting.
14:24Keep going, Mary Kay.
14:25Hey, what are you trying to say?
14:27Well, I just, I do think that Deshaun Watson, even though he is the starter right now, I
14:33think they are evaluating it every single week.
14:36And he does have to do certain things this week to make sure that he gets another start
14:41going forward.
14:41And the one thing that he doesn't do as well as Shador Sanders right now is he doesn't
14:47hit those explosive plays.
14:48And if he had some of those explosive plays, then we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
14:53But right now, like I said, he's down for down.
14:57He runs the show better, but he's not making those splash plays, those big plays, as well
15:02as Shador does.
15:03So I think that's what leaves the door open for wondering, hmm, maybe down the road we might
15:09want to see a little bit more of Shador.
15:11Mary Kay, you're absolutely glorious.
15:13And we thank you very much for the time.
15:15And you know what?
15:15The content, too, because I was going to do something completely different at 845, and
15:19now I want to get into that a little deeper.
15:21Sounds good.
15:22I'm happy to help.
15:22Yes, ma'am.
15:23Thank you very much.
15:24Mary Kay Cabot.
15:25On the Wise Heart Right We Make It Right call Kyle Right Hotline.
15:28You know, not only that, reading between the lines like Mary Kay did, because she's such
15:32an experienced journalist and Hall of Famer, thanks to the William C. Nunn Award, but also...
15:37I almost said William H. Macy.
15:38But that would be a great award, too, especially after how I saw his final scene in Boogie
15:42Nights.
15:43But, Kenny, I'd also like to know...
15:45It's not my favorite scene.
15:46Did they...
15:47We'll talk about it.
15:48Did they...
15:48Favorite scene happens in the driveway.
15:49Did they mean something?
15:51Did Deshaun Watson mean something when he referred to the front office yesterday in their decision
15:58making?
15:58It's coming up in five minutes on The Fan.