00:00who would you start on Sunday and why?
00:03I want Todd Munkin to be the one to make the call.
00:05We're all on record about that.
00:07I would still start Deshaun Watson.
00:10I don't think that Shador did anything to make you forget about Deshaun Watson.
00:17I thought both quarterbacks have played similar, one through one game,
00:20the other one through eight games.
00:22I think that the team, I'm a continuity person,
00:25believe that the team has rallied behind people.
00:28I don't think you've given the team any reason to rally behind somebody else.
00:33If you go with Shador, fine.
00:35I just want to make sure it's the head coach making the decision to go with Shador.
00:39In so many ways, there was a lot of similarities in the end results,
00:44in what we've seen, decision-making,
00:47and really some of the same problems that we've had between both quarterbacks.
00:51There's plenty of people going, Kenny, the run game, Kenny, the offensive line.
00:53I go, yep, I dig it. I'm with you.
00:56I'm with you.
00:58I thought Spencer Fauna was good to a degree,
01:01and then things started to get squirrely on him.
01:03Titus Howard.
01:04Titus, you guys are going to hate this.
01:05I tell you what, we've all had these conversations about Deshaun Watson being here
01:09just because of the contract.
01:10Look at Titus Howard's contract,
01:12and then get back to me about who should be starting at right tackle.
01:17I mean, I've sat there and talked about injuries before.
01:20This is not good.
01:21Not good.
01:22So you have issues over there.
01:24Who would you start?
01:25I'd still start Watson.
01:26Yeah, I'd start Watson.
01:27If they lose on Sunday and he don't look good, let's reevaluate the conversation.
01:31I can be week to week on this, especially with a bye week coming up.
01:34Go ahead.
01:34I personally don't think it should be week to week right now,
01:37but the part of this that knowing Deshaun Watson's probably not in the future,
01:41that accelerates that conversation.
01:43The bye week accelerates that conversation.
01:46So I do think that's all part of it.
01:49But I also think you've got to realize, like, the wild card situation.
01:53You know, we're probably not talking about a team that's going to win the division.
01:56But that's not even over yet.
01:58I mean, you still have plenty of time, plenty of games,
02:01and you've got games in the division as well.
02:04I'm looking at, like, right now your battle would be with the Patriots, for instance.
02:10I'm looking at the Patriots' schedule.
02:11They've got the Lions.
02:13They've got the Bills, the Vikings, the Chiefs.
02:16They've got the Broncos.
02:16Those are all five of their next seven games.
02:19Like, those are all – they're going to be underdogs in a bunch of those games.
02:22So that's why I don't understand why the Deshaun Watson thing would be week to week.
02:26I think he should be your starter.
02:28It would have to be so bad against Houston,
02:31where it would look like he doesn't belong on the football field.
02:33And I haven't seen that version of Deshaun Watson this year.
02:37There have been past years I have seen that.
02:38I've not seen that at all this year.
02:40Yeah, and there's the whole thing of, like, well,
02:42and people take it to the umpteenth degree.
02:46Well, he hasn't been that bad.
02:47Well, he certainly hasn't been good.
02:49Yeah, I'm willing to say all that because my bar is low.
02:52My bar is low on all of them.
02:53If they put Dylan Gaber out there Sunday, my bar would be low.
02:58Unless you have Mahomes, Allen, Burrow.
03:03Trevor Lawrence is playing at a pretty high level right now.
03:05He's been one of the best.
03:06Want to throw him into that mix?
03:08I mean, he's been one of the best quarterbacks.
03:09Unless you have one of the dudes out there,
03:12you really can't put this offensive line and running game around him
03:14and expect him to do tremendous things for four quarters.
03:17Yeah, and let me add, if I were a Shador fan
03:21and I wanted the best for Shador,
03:23I think this would be a disastrous week to start him.
03:26Disastrous?
03:27Yeah, because I don't think it would go well.
03:28Tell me more.
03:29I think they would probably lose.
03:30They're already four-and-a-half-point underdogs at home.
03:32So if this game was in Houston, we know what that would be.
03:36And Houston's coming off their most complete performance of the season.
03:39And C.J. Stroud's been awesome lately.
03:42He was really damn good the other day.
03:43And so if he's awesome in this game,
03:46and he's better than Tyler Shuck,
03:48and look at what he did to you at the end of the game.
03:50Even if he's not that great.
03:52You'd be in big trouble.
03:53And then where do you go?
03:54Where does your team go?
03:55Now your team would be like,
03:57everybody in the locker room would be,
03:58we were five and three.
04:01Quarterback had to,
04:02we missed the quarterback because of the concussion situation.
04:06And then they didn't go back to him.
04:07And now all of a sudden we're five and five.
04:09And they're going to feel like the season's over.
04:10That they did that.
04:11Well, my issue also.
04:13So that makes no sense why you would do that to the locker room.
04:16That's my biggest reason.
04:18I'm a big continuity guy.
04:20If Shador Sanders was that great throughout the game,
04:23I wouldn't have an argument.
04:24You've started the wrong guy to start the season.
04:27But Deshaun Watts, in comparison.
04:29I wouldn't have gone there either.
04:29Given it was the Saints,
04:30I wouldn't have gone there either.
04:31Either way.
04:32Guys have,
04:33backup quarterbacks do have good games.
04:35We've seen that Gardner Minshew.
04:36Every year he comes in,
04:37one game is amazing.
04:38But then I would have said he's able to rise up
04:40and overcome the type of offensive line play.
04:42He's able to rise up and overcome
04:43the type of running game that he has.
04:45So I understand it's one game,
04:47but I think that that would matter a whole lot.
04:48I'm not able to say that because,
04:50well, it's not true for either quarterback.
04:53And because I'm a big continuity guy,
04:55I'll go back to Deshaun Watson.
04:57But if they get to five and five,
04:58you lost three in a row.
05:01The bye week is for self-scouting.
05:03We need to self-scout.
05:04And if we think that one guy,
05:05the younger guy,
05:06is going to give us a better chance
05:07than the older guy,
05:08then I guess we have to make that change
05:10and go with the younger guy.
05:10I don't even think that's why
05:11they would replace him, though.
05:12I think they would replace him
05:13hoping that would be the case.
05:14I don't think they could definitively say
05:16that he gives them the better chance.
05:17I think they'd go,
05:18well, we know for sure
05:19one's not a part of our future now.
05:21All the lofty goals of winning the division
05:24and getting off to that nice start
05:25and being one of the stories
05:26of the league early on
05:27with the captain comeback stuff,
05:29that's all eroded.
05:30That's gone.
05:31So we might as well go to Shador now.
05:33That would be more the argument then.
05:34I don't think we're going to leave
05:36this game against Houston going,
05:38we definitively know Shador's better
05:40than Deshaun.
05:41I think that would be an impossibility
05:43to say that.
05:43But it's so tough
05:43because I'm still trying to,
05:44I mean, two of those three games
05:46you're looking at,
05:46like Cincinnati's a toughie.
05:48The Raiders, I don't know.
05:49Well, you know,
05:49you just lost to the New Orleans Saints.
05:51So you're not garbage.
05:53I don't think you're garbage,
05:55but you're not,
05:56you're just not that great.
05:58You're five and four.
05:59And because what I'm angered about
06:01is that when you're saying
06:02they're not that great,
06:03well, then why even try?
06:04Well, you try because
06:06you want to believe in these guys.
06:07You want to have trust in these guys.
06:08I mean, if you were to take this team,
06:10say you go out and you win nine games.
06:12Well, that kills us for a chance
06:13to get a quarterback.
06:14All right, well, two weeks ago,
06:15no one even thought
06:16we were going to be able
06:16to get a quarterback.
06:19So it's amazing
06:20how quickly we change on this.
06:22Well, I don't want to be
06:23like Steelers fans.
06:24Making the playoffs every year?
06:25It's not my fault.
06:26They're miserable.
06:27I'd like to get to that problem.
06:28That'd be a great problem to have.
06:30I'd like to get there.
06:31Can we work our way up
06:32to being miserable
06:33about playoff stuff?
06:34Because I'll bring it up
06:34as many times as I need to.
06:36I don't hear about Steeler fans
06:39saying they're not going to
06:40raise their kids Steeler fans.
06:42When we are down and out,
06:43like we've been down and out before,
06:45we have serious threats of parents
06:47saying that they don't feel
06:48the need to raise their kids
06:49Browns fans.
06:50That's terrifying.
06:52That's the difference
06:53between making the postseason
06:54every year and just being
06:55a quote-unquote boring franchise
06:56and where we've been
06:57so many times before
06:58and where I'm trying
06:59to not go back to.
07:00Because if you make the playoffs
07:01or approach the playoffs
07:02this year,
07:03that buys a little bit of trust
07:04and it buys a lot of faith
07:05and it buys a lot of hope
07:06in your coaching staff
07:07and in your young nucleus.
07:11But nobody wants to hear that.
07:13And then I think about
07:14a good situation
07:15that a veteran backup
07:16who we might need
07:17to be a starter would be
07:18or a good situation
07:20where a quarterback would be,
07:21especially these ones
07:22that are coming into the NFL now
07:23that have agency
07:24over their own futures.
07:26So winning does matter.
07:29And I keep looking at the teams
07:30that subscribe to tanking
07:32and somehow they're always
07:33at the top of the draft.
07:35No, we'll win next year.
07:36We'll win the year after that.
07:36We'll get the quarterback
07:37and we will set sail
07:38and we will be great.
07:39Where are they at in two years?
07:40Back at the top of the draft.
07:42The Jets are always
07:43going to have high draft picks.
07:44Why do you think that is?
07:45And right now,
07:46if a Jets fan heard that,
07:47they go,
07:47hey, Ken, what about the Browns?
07:48Yeah, what about the Browns?
07:51Always counting the picks for later.
07:53We always end up
07:53wearing the draft.
07:54Pretty damn high.
07:56And I don't care for it.
07:582-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
08:00So if I make this decision on Sunday,
08:02the decision is made for winning.
08:05It's made for winning.
08:07And that's where I disagreed
08:08so much with Jason about.
08:09The other thing I disagreed
08:10with Jason about,
08:11he says, well,
08:12if you're not going to start Shador,
08:13you might as well just trade him.
08:14I don't care.
08:15I've said this to Jason's face.
08:16I've said it on the air.
08:17I've said it in text.
08:18I've said it on the phone.
08:18And I'll say it to you and everybody.
08:20I do think that
08:21the online presence
08:23of fans,
08:24whether they're real
08:25or bots
08:26or burners accounts,
08:27have gotten to some of us
08:28here in the media.
08:29I'm not going to allow it to happen.
08:32And it is crazy
08:33that every time we see a thing
08:35on a video,
08:36Shador Sanders,
08:36there's a million things
08:37that say I hate his guts.
08:38I'm going,
08:39nope,
08:39nope.
08:40This is why I think
08:41they're bots and burners,
08:42because I don't hate his guts.
08:44Never have.
08:45Probably never will.
08:45I can't imagine I ever will
08:46unless he does something
08:47to me personally.
08:47He's never done anything
08:48mean to me personally.
08:49And I love his dad.
08:52So that doesn't matter.
08:53So I think that some of us
08:54are letting that affect them.
08:55Well,
08:56if you're not going to start them,
08:57because why?
08:57Because it's not worth your time
08:59to have the conversation
09:01and to take mean people
09:02on the internet,
09:04people that have six,
09:05ten accounts
09:06that they're just going to use
09:06the same things.
09:07I don't care.
09:08I don't care.
09:09Because again,
09:10I think that so many times,
09:12and I mean this across the board,
09:14not just with our show,
09:15I mean that with everything,
09:16I think some of us
09:17have lost our focus.
09:18You talked to Browns fans before,
09:20you talked to Browns fans after.
09:23If they stay,
09:24if we can get them to stay,
09:25great.
09:25If not,
09:26off they go.
09:27God bless them.
09:28It's been a hell of a run.
09:30But I'm not going to sit there
09:31and advocate trading the guy
09:32if I don't feel like trading the guy.
09:34I don't think you get much back,
09:35and I'd really like somebody,
09:37if the bottom does fall out
09:38on Deshaun coming up this Sunday,
09:40I'd like somebody
09:41I look forward to.
09:42And Dylan Gabriel
09:43is a fine enough backup
09:44and a decent enough person,
09:45probably a good person,
09:46a good person,
09:48but I'm not excited to see him
09:50as anybody,
09:51unless your last name is Gabriel.
09:54There's at least curiosity
09:55and excitement with Shador.
09:57There is some curiosity,
09:58maybe not as much excitement,
09:59there's curiosity with Watson.
10:01Maybe this Sunday
10:03will be the day
10:04that Deshaun goes back
10:05to 2020, Deshaun.
10:06Maybe this Sunday
10:07is the day
10:08that the NFL
10:09ends up being proven wrong
10:10and Shador Sanders
10:11really is that top 10 pick
10:13that Mel Kuyper advocated for.
10:15There is something there
10:17with those two guys.
10:18I don't want to lose that.
10:19Also,
10:20I don't think you're getting
10:21very much in terms of a return
10:22on a trade
10:23for either one of them.
10:25Certainly not for the one guy
10:26because of his history
10:27and how much money he makes,
10:28and not for the other guy
10:29because of all the other things
10:31that go with it.
10:33Because clearly,
10:33the media,
10:34and this is one thing
10:35we can all agree on,
10:36the media and the fans
10:38somehow,
10:39someway,
10:39think a hell of a lot higher
10:40than what the NFL
10:41seems to think of them.
10:43Josina Anderson
10:44begs to differ.
10:46What did she say?
10:47She had a tweet
10:48either late last night
10:49or early into the morning
10:51that she thinks
10:52the Vikings
10:53would be a perfect candidate
10:55to trade for Shador Sanders.
10:57I want to address that
10:58in five minutes.
10:58I want to get to
10:59your guys' phones,
11:00Shador or Watson,
11:01and why.
11:02It better be a good reason.
11:04And,
11:04Cavs fans aren't fooled.
11:06A lot of them believe
11:07this isn't all on Kenny.
11:09Ken Carman,
11:09Anthony Lima,
11:10live on the fan.
