00:00 Anwar is a brilliant campaigner.
00:05 As a politician, his strengths are his oratory skills, public speaking, charisma on the stage, and so on.
00:17 And many say that he is the one who organized this organized organization.
00:23 Including when he was in the government and after the establishment of the Justice Party.
00:30 Dato Sri, you were the organizer behind the scene. Is it true that Anwar, the frontman,
00:36 he didn't like the administration work and Dato Sri was the nerd behind the scene who organized everything?
00:45 Yes, they called me a gatekeeper at that time. But the point is, he is a good public speaker.
00:54 His oratory skills are great. But his substance is too shallow for me.
01:01 That's why we needed a team to help him.
01:07 He is not like Dr. Mahathir who is very detailed, meticulous, and even when he was building KLIA,
01:19 he was micromanaged. He was meticulous in the type, quality, walls, floor, and so on.
01:29 That is Mahathir. But Anwar is just superficial, but he lacks the understanding of details and substance in many things.
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