00:00Audio courtesy of TNT, that was Petey Halpin.
00:03I gotta cut you off, Ken.
00:04Yeah.
00:05I was proud of you last segment for owning it on the Petey vs. On Hill thing.
00:10Anthony, I gotta take aim at you now.
00:12Ooh, yeah.
00:13Let's go.
00:13Alright.
00:14I need you to take back what you said about the high five.
00:17I think that's one of the stupidest things you ever said.
00:19You know how many high fives I handed out after that Petey Halpin?
00:22I was in other sections of the ballpark.
00:24And did you connect on them?
00:25Yes, every single one of them.
00:26You made contact?
00:27Oh, you wanted to get rid of high fives?
00:29I said this.
00:29I said we should do fist bumps.
00:31I've seen so many embarrassing high fives at sporting events that it might be time to just do the fist
00:35bumps.
00:36I think that, but again, a missed high five can be communal, whereas when you're with a stranger,
00:40you have a moment and then you make up for it and you're like on the same wavelength then.
00:44It's the bad handshakes are the one where one leaves one of the other parties like,
00:49it's a bad handshake, I don't know about that guy.
00:51Like, there's always, that's a way worse one.
00:53My one buddy gave me a whole tutorial on text message.
00:55He's like, well, no, it's all eye contact with the elbow.
00:57Elbow to elbow type.
00:58Yeah, it's really how you line it up.
01:00And it's the same way you throw a ball or a strike.
01:04You know, you got to, everything's got to be right.
01:07Body's got to be square.
01:07So there were a lot of high fives going around yesterday?
01:09It was amazing.
01:10Well, your voice is gone.
01:11If the helping thing doesn't happen and they win a different way or they just lose,
01:16like your voice is very different today.
01:18Probably very different.
01:19Well, I really hadn't shown it much emotion until that point in the game.
01:23And yeah, it was over after that.
01:25Well, what did you think of the game in general?
01:28Because...
01:28Man, I don't know.
01:29It's a blur.
01:29Well, like the White Sox games...
01:31Were you beatboxing?
01:32Are we allowed...
01:33Yeah, I switched brands, but they don't do that anymore.
01:36But yeah.
01:37They don't do the beatboxes anymore?
01:39No, they've moved on.
01:40Those things are like 12%.
01:41I don't blame them.
01:42I'm down to an 8%er.
01:43That's the biggest thing you can find in the ballpark right now.
01:45I think Owen can handle the beatbox.
01:48I think there's a lot of people who try to handle the beatbox and they cannot handle it.
01:52No, especially in the Sun.
01:53Are you kidding me?
01:53I would say us three and Keith are able to handle the beatbox.
01:56But I wouldn't...
01:57Me, personally, I'm not doing a bunch of those.
02:00Oh, not a bunch of them for the love of God.
02:03But, you know.
02:05So the White Sox games, it was strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, walk, walk, strikeout, strikeout.
02:11I was like, it was not exactly pleasing to the eye,
02:14especially when we were down two games to nothing.
02:16Well, in our home games, you know, we got...
02:18So two games we lost.
02:20We stranded seven runners the first time.
02:22The second time, it was kind of, oh, you know, Joe Adele tried to get us back into it
02:27and the wind kept him out of it.
02:28And then game three, it was one play.
02:31It was Jose's home run.
02:32That's it.
02:32And that's it.
02:33And there is...
02:35Gavin has gotten to the point where, you know, usually, if you're at a ballpark,
02:40home ballpark etiquette is kind of like,
02:42if you need to go to the bathroom, you need to go to the concourse,
02:45you do that during the pitching, right?
02:47You go on the defensive side.
02:48You can't do that with Gavin.
02:49I do not leave when Gavin's pitching.
02:51No, no, you can't.
02:51I will leave.
02:52As soon as he gets his third out, I'll go do whatever I need to do
02:55and try to be back before, you know, maybe a bat or two.
02:58And I missed...
02:59Yesterday, I actually missed our first run.
03:02And I could hear everything that was going on,
03:05but actually didn't get to see that in person.
03:07Got to see Petey, though.
03:08It was awesome.
03:09Plenty of high fives.
03:10I wrote in the fifth, I wrote, Williams have 59 pitches.
03:13Can he get to the seventh?
03:14Question mark.
03:15And then, like, right after I wrote it,
03:17Brian Anderson's like, Daniel Espino warming up in the bullpen.
03:20I was like, well, there goes that,
03:21and fans are going to be really, really mad about this.
03:24And then I said, then at the end, there were 70 pitches,
03:27and I assumed that he was going out.
03:30And I'm thinking, if they lose this game,
03:34if they lose this...
03:35I'm trying to, like, read the writings now.
03:37If they lose this game, it's all anybody's going to talk about.
03:40If they win this game, it's absolutely brilliant.
03:42It is all results-based.
03:44It's all results-based.
03:45I understand this.
03:47But he ends up looking brilliant here.
03:49Now, I didn't know about the velocity.
03:52That I did not know about.
03:53Well, the broadcast did not do a deep dive into that,
03:57even though they have the numbers, too.
03:58I'll tell you this.
03:59I had to get up, like, after the fifth,
04:01I had to get up and go change,
04:03because we had some programming we had to record
04:05for later on in the day, because I was over there.
04:07And so, like, I didn't see any of the stuff,
04:10and I wasn't checking my phone or anything like that
04:12too terribly much.
04:14And I didn't know about the velocity argument there.
04:16So that was what I went into blind.
04:19My whole thought of it was,
04:20if you take the lead,
04:22and then I walked into the other room,
04:24and Petey Hoppin had just hit a two-run home run,
04:26so that changed things.
04:27I go, all right, now you have the lead.
04:29If you can hold on to it,
04:30now I can use Gavin Williams basically twice,
04:33two more times in this series.
04:35I could bring him in.
04:37Now, I've got to make sure I'm saying this right,
04:40because I didn't write this part down.
04:42Game four, game five, game six.
04:47And then game seven.
04:48They'll have all of those possibilities.
04:50Okay.
04:50So you could put game five, game six,
04:54possibly with, like, an inning,
04:55and how many pitches you would want in one inning
04:58with Gavin Williams.
05:00You could turn right around and start him in one of those
05:03if you really needed to,
05:04because he only threw 70 pitches.
05:06So it ends up, Petey Hoppin pays it off,
05:09because you need your players to pay off your decisions
05:11if you're going to coach anything.
05:12You always need the players.
05:13You're not just a magician.
05:15Petey Hoppin pays it off.
05:17The bullpen comes in.
05:18Again, Espino was sensational.
05:20Absolutely sensational.
05:21Mowed him down.
05:22Between him and Kate Smith.
05:24Exactly.
05:25Last time we've seen Espino,
05:27the last couple times,
05:27because you throw out the White Sox one
05:30when the season was on the line,
05:31and he got the quick pull.
05:33Thank goodness.
05:35The other moments, he's been just unhittable.
05:38And so when we do the...
05:39The meat of their order.
05:40The vote win, vote loss thing,
05:41it's like, vote win.
05:42I'm giving him a vote to win.
05:44Because you put power in the hands of your bats
05:46to make you look good,
05:48and now you look good,
05:50and now you got your best pitcher
05:53available to you
05:54in two more outings.
05:57And it just...
05:59It gives me so much confidence
06:01in the series.
06:03Like, yeah, I wanted him to go seven,
06:06and had he gone seven,
06:08and you just lose that game two to one,
06:10it's like, well, now we don't even have Gavin.
06:12But you get that hit,
06:14you get that home run from Petey Hoppin,
06:16then you get all the pitching,
06:18all the defense.
06:20It's Cade Smith in the four-out save
06:22where he got Yandy Diaz
06:24with a runner at third base
06:26for crying out loud,
06:27and it's like, looks like a genius.
06:29Everybody looks great.
06:30Everybody looks fantastic.
06:31It is such a monumental moment
06:34for the team and the season,
06:36and it ended up being the right call.
06:38It ended up being the right call
06:39because other guys,
06:41if you want to talk about complimentary football,
06:43it ended up being the right call
06:43because other guys,
06:44not bailed anybody out,
06:45it's the wrong term,
06:46they just, they played baseball,
06:48they played that way,
06:49and they won that game that way,
06:50and other guys were able to do it.
06:52So it ended up being the perfect win
06:53for a manager like Steven Vogt.
06:55Well, it's also amazing
06:56how different baseball is from,
06:58you know, let's say what,
07:00the Andrew Miller experience was 2016,
07:03right?
07:03So that was 10 years ago
07:05when Tito,
07:06I think honestly,
07:07he can be credited
07:09with changing the way
07:10that all these teams
07:11look at bullpen in the postseason
07:14and starting pitching,
07:15where how many times this postseason,
07:17and I wonder if we could find this number,
07:19where a pitcher has been allowed
07:21to see a lineup a third time.
07:24Honestly,
07:25how often has it happened?
07:26Because if Gavin Williams can't,
07:28not trusted the wrong term in this case
07:30because you've got other guys
07:31that you can rely on,
07:33but if Gavin Williams is dominating
07:35as he was looking yesterday,
07:36is not going to be able
07:38to see a lineup for a third time,
07:39you know,
07:40see the top of the order,
07:42then who is at this stage?
07:44Go ahead, Owen.
07:45Well, I think just,
07:46you bring up the Tito thing,
07:47it's a good point.
07:48I think the only difference,
07:49we haven't seen it yet,
07:50is Tito, you know,
07:51was Andrew Miller the closer?
07:53Was Cody Allen the closer?
07:55They kind of shared that role
07:56and sometimes one would set up
07:58and sometimes one would close.
07:59Yeah, good play.
08:00But you knew you were going 7-8-9.
08:01Tito would bring Andrew Miller
08:03in in like the fifth.
08:04Right.
08:04And go, okay,
08:05this might get out of hand,
08:07we're going to end it right now.
08:08We're going to stop
08:08all the nonsense right now.
08:10We haven't seen that
08:11where he goes to like Hunter Gattis
08:12in the fifth because he needs
08:14to get out of it.
08:14But with Espino,
08:15it's giving you another option
08:17of a guy that throws consistently
08:19100 mile an hour fastball, right?
08:22And it's,
08:24Ken, you're right.
08:24He's,
08:25his decision made.
08:26And he's dialing up everything.
08:27His glorious decision.
08:28Yeah, and think about it.
08:28Ended up working out perfectly.
08:29The velocity went down.
08:30I think he threw one
08:31of the four seamers at 90,
08:34what was it,
08:35down to like 95 or something.
08:37Somebody sent us a velocity by inning.
08:39And then, yeah,
08:40it definitely tailed off.
08:41I saw the graph.
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08:46And then Espino comes in.
08:47He's right up to 101 again.
08:48So now you're wondering
08:51about command, right?
08:52It could be disastrous
08:53if he walks one guy,
08:55but it doesn't matter
08:56when he's attacking the zone.
08:57He's being that aggressive
08:58and he's hitting 101.
09:00And all of a sudden,
09:01the Rays guys were maybe
09:02thinking they could relax
09:04a little bit.
09:05Boom, right back up to 101.
09:06So your formula is pretty,
09:07pretty carved out.
09:09And over the course
09:09of the seven game series,
09:10you're also playing the long game.
09:12And now what?
09:12If you were to go game seven,
09:14Gavin Williams,
09:15it'd be four days?
09:16Yeah.
09:16Be four days rest?
09:17Game seven would be on Tuesday.
09:20Tuesday.
09:20Yes, it would.
09:212-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
09:23So I want to know
09:23how we're feeling about it
09:24because this is a dramatic change
09:27in emotion
09:27and really confidence
09:29from where we were
09:30at the early part of last week
09:31as Guardians fans.
09:32And I think that
09:34it's not just like believing.
09:35I think it's a confidence now
09:37in Guardians fans
09:39in the team.
09:402-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
09:42And if you're cautious,
09:43that's fine.
09:44I just want to know.
09:45We want to know.
09:47Ken Carman,
09:48Anthony Lima,
09:49Daryl Ryder,
09:50720 on the fan,
09:51and National Media
09:52and Major League Baseball
09:53are rooting against you.
09:55But at least they're rooting
09:56against the Rays as well.
