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00:00:28The story of history

00:00:30The three of us friends here have a feeling of memory so deeply ingrained in us that it's difficult to describe.

00:00:40Words describe what we experienced in that desert of oblivion. Blood and saltpeter. Images, photographs we have recovered that are chronicles.

00:00:46from a life of suffering.

00:00:48Some of them say it all, I think. This is everyday life in the village of La Noria. That child, that

00:00:54baby, with her little sisters, chronicle, I repeat, of for many slavery in the middle of the 20th century.

00:01:00But it feels like all of that isn't going away, that it's still there, circling around. So many things that

00:01:06to tell you that we haven't even been able to capture in this extensive report.

00:01:12Juanje, lost in memory. Juanje Vallejo, good night.

00:01:16Good evening, Iker. Well, that's true.

00:01:18What comes to mind right away, in a flash, apart from what we've seen, your personal feeling?

00:01:24after we spent five days wandering in that desert of the nitrate mines?

00:01:28My personal feeling is sadness. A feeling of sadness. Sadness because suddenly, during the four or five days we were there

00:01:35filming, which I faced, and which we all faced,

00:01:39But what I personally faced was, "My God, how is it possible that the..."

00:01:43Has the world forgotten this?

00:01:44How unfair, isn't it? How unfair because when I see this photo, this one I had in front of me, and I see these people's hands...

00:01:50men with calluses, cracked skin, chapped by the salt air,

00:01:55because of that fertilizer that was slowly killing them, flooding their lungs,

00:02:01Well, during those four or five days we were filming, it came to mind, well, that

00:02:06How cruel can a man be who is so refined that he is capable of reinventing slavery?

00:02:11the 20th century.

00:02:12I haven't been to Auschwitz, nor have I seen Madhausen, but I think they were just like the Jews who perished.

00:02:18over there,

00:02:18simply that their lives were more valuable because this business was profitable, and that's why they built them a small hospital.

00:02:24and a small school, to give him...

00:02:26A hospital that was very impressive, we saw it, and I remember when you and I went in.

00:02:30me with the camera,

00:02:32It was the mini-DV, and we were venturing into that hospital for the first time, a hospital about which we knew very little.

00:02:38the story

00:02:38And the drama that was there, we started to see the inscriptions, the graffiti, right?

00:02:43I can say it, this is very personal, we're going to tell personal stories here,

00:02:47I felt like I was in one of the densest places I've ever been.

00:02:51Man, I remember last night when we were both together and we went inside,

00:02:54And I think you'll remember with me the creaking of the open tin roof tiles,

00:03:00It almost seemed like they were talking to us; I no longer know to what extent it was their management.

00:03:04But really, that wind that lashed through that hospital while we saw inscriptions of

00:03:08So-and-so died here, or so-and-so was born here, from children and grandchildren who had gone there many years before.

00:03:15late,

00:03:15because they didn't even know where their family's grave was.

00:03:17And to reclaim that a little, the name of his deceased.

00:03:20It's terrible. So, of course, in a place like that, the things you're going to tell us about happened to us.

00:03:25they happened to us,

00:03:26They really make you think that, well, this place is charged with an energy

00:03:30who seems not to want to leave, as if claiming something that happened in time.

00:03:34We were a great team and had a lot of experiences, and Carmen acted as a reporter, in a way, in a more advanced way.

00:03:42because she was the one who carried that little camera and who, it must be said, often

00:03:46He didn't venture into the places, even before us; we had to split up several times.

00:03:51She came away with a very strong impression of one of those places that I'm sure has stayed with them.

00:03:55engraved in memory,

00:03:56The general store, but Carmen, the curious thing, the important thing is that we were filming several times

00:04:02And we didn't know what they were going to tell us later that had happened exactly there, in this place,

00:04:07But the feelings are there, they are subjective, sure, but they are there, in this place.

00:04:13Yes, and you also asked Juanje earlier which place had impressed him the most,

00:04:17What feeling had stayed with him the most, and for me it was the pulpería (general store/tavern),

00:04:21It was as soon as I entered that place that I began to feel very strange things,

00:04:25And that's despite the fact that I'm not sensitive at all, quite the opposite; I always try to find the rational side of things.

00:04:33anything.

00:04:33It is true that we went in once, when we didn't yet know the Humberstone guides,

00:04:40when we hadn't been able to talk to them, and we were seeing that it was like a kind of old market,

00:04:46In this pulpería, we are also seeing, as you mentioned in the report,

00:04:50what each of the vegetables was, the meat that was served, what the storerooms were for,

00:04:56And when we were there, and you'll remember I told you, I said, my goodness, there hasn't been anything here lately of

00:05:02meat,

00:05:02They haven't brought fresh meat, I mean, because I'm getting a really strong smell of meat.

00:05:09And then, in the following days, already with the guide, she told us that she had had many tourist sensations.

00:05:18that they were going to visit those rooms, where they had seen that strange character with the white apron,

00:05:24About the smells, no, she hardly said anything and nobody had experienced them, but I mentioned it to her, and she

00:05:29I asked,

00:05:29How many years has it been since there was meat here or since there was food being stored here?

00:05:34And he told me, well, the minimum was 70 years, and that's when he threw me off a bit.

00:05:40Because really, and you'll remember that I left there completely distressed

00:05:45Because of that intense smell I was noticing, that place gave me a very bad feeling.

00:05:52Furthermore, in that place, as far as we knew, there had been no strange deaths, or anything at all.

00:05:58But it was a place I didn't like; those warehouses, for me, contained something else besides food.

00:06:05And there's one thing about the sensations that I can't forget, absolutely seared into my mind,

00:06:10which are the sounds of gears, for example, of elements as you have been seeing,

00:06:15Many, different, those hooks where the meat was hung, those eyeless dolls in Santa Laura,

00:06:21One of the most powerful places, in the middle of the desert, Santa Laura, for example, without any control,

00:06:26That's why there are some rather strange people, grave robbers; it's just the atmosphere, it needs to be described.

00:06:33deranged, there have been several massacres, several people have been stabbed in these places,

00:06:37Because it's a lawless place, for example, Santa Laura, where you've seen all those children's objects

00:06:42It seems like they all left at the same time, the same minute, the same day, right?

00:06:46Yes, women, yes, remember, the wardrobes had left the women's corsets and dresses there.

00:06:52as if they had run away from that cursed place.

00:06:55But the funny thing, Carmen, is that we were finding out things,

00:06:58because we were each recording things, from witnesses who, for example, in this general store, described the same thing,

00:07:04like a man, like a butcher, like one of those we're seeing in many of the old photographs,

00:07:10In the general store—this was the general store—one of these men in white coats who would appear, who would cross the street,

00:07:16and many testimonies, imagine this world of Humberstone full of noise,

00:07:21full of life at the same time, full of smoke, of machines whirring,

00:07:24And on top of that, the train was passing right through the middle of the town.

00:07:26Then Carmen is going to tell us a story that touched us deeply, one of so many stories,

00:07:31They happen to return there and tell each other their stories, and it's a tale that blends sadness, love, and mystery.

00:07:39But first we had those EVP recordings pending, which, well, there they are, I don't know, guys, how we can analyze them,

00:07:45It is true that we have taken many trips together, the whole team, 800 trips, it is not easy to achieve that.

00:07:50Well, we described the place a bit, that Humberstone Theatre, which I think was a bit of a friendly face, among

00:07:56quotation marks,

00:07:56in an absolutely terrible world, because there was a theater, and it is said that the most celebrated figures in America came to

00:08:02go,

00:08:03It was kind of strange, going out into the world like that, but they went, they left quickly, I mean,

00:08:08And there remain the seats, the solitude; that is the place where we recorded this first EVP that we are going to listen to.

00:08:16which is like a strange exclamation.

00:08:18And the stage where those performances took place remains there as well.

00:08:22I remember the old movie posters that were once shown,

00:08:27of the performances that were once given, and we also went with the mini-DV,

00:08:34We also had some tape recorders with us, with a mini-disc recorder, for the radio, for Milenio 3,

00:08:39We had it with us, and I also had a small recorder with me, which I said, well, I'm going to turn it on,

00:08:44And all this way, until we leave the theater again, I'm going to be recording to see what happens.

00:08:50Sometimes strange things happen to be recorded, and that's what happened.

00:08:54As soon as you enter, right after passing through the theater door,

00:09:00A series of voices began to be recorded that did not belong to any of us who were there.

00:09:04Above all, and the viewers will notice this, because they have an accent that is not ours,

00:09:10which of course does not belong to any of the guides who accompanied us,

00:09:14In that case, it was only Pablo Cañarte, who accompanied us to cheer us on in the theater,

00:09:19and it seems that he's saying or referring to something that none of us were talking about,

00:09:24It had nothing to do with the conversation we were having.

00:09:28We're going to analyze it, we're going to discuss it, you have to listen to it.

00:09:31You already know that putting a psychophone on television is something more distant,

00:09:34It's not the same as on the radio, or at least it's not the same feeling we had.

00:09:38There in the middle of the night, because we heard them there too.

00:09:41We were all very surprised because we weren't expecting it.

00:09:45We wanted to record a sort of opening sequence for the radio program,

00:09:47It wasn't about recording EVP itself, in this first batch.

00:09:51And something appears that we identify, let's see what you hear, as thank you for everything.

00:09:55but also completely nonsensical, as we entered the theater,

00:09:59when there is nobody in that theater, it being night in Humberstone,

00:10:04Thank you for everything, that metallic, psychophonic voice is truly something special.

00:10:07Anyway, let's listen to it because many people are saying that it sounds great.

00:10:12Other things are perceived. Let's see what you perceive.

00:10:28We were just discussing here that it's a voice that doesn't sound like anything else, it sounds like a robotic voice.

00:10:33In other words, a voice that one starts to record into a microphone, and we are faced with the simple challenge of

00:10:37psychophony,

00:10:38Everyone says, well, how easy, well, give it a try, put it on,

00:10:41We need to use, I don't know, some kind of mixer for this metallic-sounding voice, right?

00:10:44No, besides, it couldn't be anyone speaking into the microphone because I was wearing a...

00:10:49what was the belt recorder, the pants recorder, which makes it impossible

00:10:53that we referred to the microphone at no time, nor did anyone,

00:10:57Because we were alone in that theater, there was nobody in Humberto.

00:11:01What are you listening to?

00:11:02I assure you that when we were in Chile I heard "thank you for everything".

00:11:06And now I hear, after so long, they pray for everything.

00:11:10Pray for everything.

00:11:11Or pray for everything.

00:11:12Something like that, the first word is the one I have doubts about.

00:11:15What I do want to emphasize is what Carmen was saying,

00:11:18Because obtaining EVP recordings is extremely rare, we've been running the program for four years now.

00:11:23and very few, very few, and suddenly that day three were obtained.

00:11:29But the most incredible thing is that, and I want to emphasize this again,

00:11:32I mean, it was just the four of us: Pablo Cañarte, you two, and me.

00:11:38Do you also remember, Iker, that we wanted to make some introductions for the program?

00:11:42for Millennium 3?

00:11:43And besides, we were going to listen to the minidish, not your tape recorder.

00:11:46And then when we were going back in the 4x4, it was also raining.

00:11:51Another thing, nothing is recorded on the minidish, nothing is recorded on the camera.

00:11:54and only in one, which happens a lot in this phenomenon,

00:11:57Only one of the recorders captures something so clear.

00:11:59Yes, exactly.

00:12:00And we really went over it in our minds to analyze it, because the voice is crystal clear to me.

00:12:05And also referring to, well, I don't know, from my point of view,

00:12:09And this is very subjective, isn't it?

00:12:10Whether it's thank you for everything or pray for everything,

00:12:13As if trying to find something from the past, right?

00:12:15Something, a vindication of the past.

00:12:17Yes, they pray for everything, for the people who die there,

00:12:20For the people who die there, yes, thank you for everything.

00:12:22because of what we are doing now.

00:12:23By making this tragedy, people will see again that, well,

00:12:27which unfortunately was forgotten.

00:12:28There were appalling massacres,

00:12:30people who, as they were condemned with the tokens and coins that you have seen,

00:12:35These were coins that could only be exchanged or traded within the nitrate mining town.

00:12:40In other words, you could leave there and you didn't have to pay interest.

00:12:44Sure, imagine, right?, placed by the businessman.

00:12:47And then that triggers a series of massacres,

00:12:49The numbers continue to fluctuate between 400 and 3,000 deaths.

00:12:54Children, women, shootings, a very special place.

00:12:57Perhaps that's why we heard a scream, or perhaps not.

00:13:00But here we simply put what came out on our recorders,

00:13:03And as you well know, that is not usual.

00:13:06A scream, a scream, we can put it that way,

00:13:08a kind of scream that surprised us when we were there.

00:13:12They will understand that it is not any of us,

00:13:14We are inside that theater, in absolute darkness.

00:13:17There is no one dead in the village,

00:13:19And our cameras, our recorders, Carmen's in particular, capture this.

00:13:42Well, there it is, a kind of exclamation,

00:13:44which means nothing, which seems to be on another level of things,

00:13:48and that the entire trip only takes place in that theater.

00:13:52That's all. Besides, you see, at first I think we thought,

00:13:56the previous EVP recording, the one that says "thank you for everything," or "pray for everyone,"

00:13:59which was thank you for everything, for the place where we were, for that theater.

00:14:03Just in case...

00:14:04It looked like the end of a show, didn't it?

00:14:05Exactly, the end of a performance by the main actors

00:14:09they were already saying their goodbyes on those stage boards,

00:14:12saying thank you for everything.

00:14:13As if an echo from another time were thanking those who were present.

00:14:17and what had happened within their ruined and impoverished lives,

00:14:21Well, that's a good moment, isn't it?

00:14:23The scream makes no sense.

00:14:26We were also there; footsteps could be heard above the wooden beams of the theater.

00:14:32I do remember that I went to get the recorder,

00:14:35because right after this the recording stops.

00:14:38It's a scream and I cut the recording.

00:14:48But there is one more EVP recording that was made earlier.

00:14:50Another psychophony that may be related to so many experiences.

00:14:53You have seen people who...

00:14:55Because it happens, many pamperos return to these places.

00:14:59They seem to be feeling nostalgic for where they were born.

00:15:01There are many people who live there and were born there.

00:15:03They've seen it. Very few remain.

00:15:04The example of Nancy Valderrama,

00:15:07who returns and has that vision of his dead mother bleeding out in the hospital.

00:15:11Everything comes back to him when he's there.

00:15:12I had it stored somewhere in my subconscious, and it's coming back.

00:15:15Because this whole place has the power or the misfortune

00:15:17to return the images, as if they hadn't left.

00:15:21Perhaps it has something to do with this voice.

00:15:25You need to analyze.

00:15:26That's why we put it here.

00:15:28We have no truth.

00:15:30They say that the shank saltpeter production system collapsed at a certain point

00:15:35because in certain parts of Europe they discover other types of artificial structures.

00:15:40The entire industry collapses and people begin to flee.

00:15:42There is no money.

00:15:43All of that begins to wither.

00:15:53And in the midst of this feeling,

00:15:55a voice that sounds like a girl's

00:15:57And what does Mom say?

00:15:59But in a very subtle way.

00:16:02Mother.

00:16:03We're going to play it several times.

00:16:04You give your opinions and then we'll analyze them.

00:16:26Well, even, as often happens,

00:16:28the feeling that there was like another voice in the background as well,

00:16:30as another background exclamation.

00:16:31Okay, let's finish with a story

00:16:33I don't know if that adds more mystery or not,

00:16:35But it impressed us.

00:16:37As we were saying, through the middle of this nitrate mining town

00:16:39which contained 5,000 souls,

00:16:41in bunches, amidst the smoke,

00:16:43His whole life was smoke and noise,

00:16:45poorly paid work and the impossibility.

00:16:48There were a lot of people, we were told,

00:16:49that never escaped the rust barrier

00:16:51of this kind of medieval city.

00:16:54People who died,

00:16:55who were buried with a wooden cross,

00:16:56who never left the limits of this city,

00:16:59of this fortification.

00:17:01Well, there's a story that impressed us.

00:17:04Georgina, the only woman who can teach

00:17:07to the occasional visitor,

00:17:08in the middle of nowhere,

00:17:09that can reach there,

00:17:10He told us the story of a legend.

00:17:12It was said that a woman appeared,

00:17:14a kind of sad woman,

00:17:16ghostly,

00:17:17It appeared at a certain point in Humberstone,

00:17:19where there is a shrine.

00:17:21You know,

00:17:22one of those constructions or crossroads

00:17:23where someone has died violently.

00:17:25And people were talking about the suicidal woman,

00:17:28the suicidal woman,

00:17:29as if with a somewhat derogatory view.

00:17:32A woman had decided to throw herself in front of a train,

00:17:34But history

00:17:35It was something very different.

00:17:37And one night,

00:17:37that guide reveals it.

00:17:39Yes, we also found it strange,

00:17:41because of the roadside shrines

00:17:42We had always run into them

00:17:43right on the side of the road,

00:17:46but none inside a nitrate mine.

00:17:48There were cemeteries,

00:17:49attached to the nitrate mines,

00:17:50but not roadside shrines.

00:17:51And when we see next to a house,

00:17:54besides,

00:17:55where the railway line still was,

00:17:57one of those roadside shrines,

00:17:58also quite large,

00:18:00right in the centre of Humberstone,

00:18:02We asked Georgina.

00:18:04And Georgina told us the story

00:18:05that she had experienced firsthand.

00:18:08Suddenly a man approaches him,

00:18:10already quite old,

00:18:11with a bouquet of flowers,

00:18:12arrives in Humberstone.

00:18:13And it says that,

00:18:15Where are the train tracks?

00:18:17He needs to leave a bouquet of flowers there.

00:18:21Then Georgina asks him,

00:18:22oh well,

00:18:23Did anyone die here?

00:18:25outside of his family,

00:18:26any of his ancestors?

00:18:27And he tells her the story.

00:18:29He says, look,

00:18:29You're going to be the first one

00:18:30that he knows the history

00:18:31And you're going to pass it on to him.

00:18:33to all the people who come here,

00:18:35Because this is going to be the reality.

00:18:37It says, here we're talking about a suicide victim

00:18:39and there is talk of apparitions,

00:18:40precisely,

00:18:41of that woman who decided to take her own life

00:18:44throwing themselves onto the train tracks.

00:18:45He says so, but that's not how it was.

00:18:48That lady,

00:18:49who perished right on the train tracks,

00:18:51She was my mother.

00:18:52And my mother didn't commit suicide.

00:18:54He caught me rescuing me

00:18:56of the locomotive that was going to run me over.

00:18:59He managed to push me,

00:19:01It gave me a big push

00:19:02and I go out a few meters further on

00:19:04and she stayed right under that machine.

00:19:08She is not suicidal.

00:19:09but thanks to her I am here.

00:19:12Then Georgina went

00:19:13and accompanied him to put

00:19:14that bouquet of flowers right on the tracks

00:19:17where her mother had been for many years.

00:19:19had perished to save him.

00:19:20And I think there can't be a better image.

00:19:23than that of a man nearing 90 years old

00:19:26that returned propelled by a certain force

00:19:28to that place of rust and oblivion.

00:19:32Imagine it, please.

00:19:33in the middle of the afternoon,

00:19:33accompanied by Georgina,

00:19:36both slowly,

00:19:37They arrive at the shrine

00:19:37and they put some flowers,

00:19:39thus closing a story

00:19:41of so many legends

00:19:43that, regardless of who it may offend

00:19:44And whatever happens,

00:19:45they will continue to be the only inhabitants

00:19:47from Humberstone.

00:20:01Throughout the entire trip,

00:20:02We said it at the beginning,

00:20:04we have had a subjective feeling,

00:20:05not scientific at all,

00:20:06impossible to prove,

00:20:07But we knew we weren't alone.

00:20:10And that in itself is grounds for investigation.

00:20:12Juan G., Carmen,

00:20:13Thank you for this story.

00:20:14And above all, thank you.

00:20:15for sharing this journey

00:20:16unforgettable for us.

00:20:18Thanks to you, Ike.

00:20:19Let's get to the news!

00:20:20There are many more this week.

00:20:22Come on, news from Cuarto Milenio.

00:20:52Come on, news from Cuarto Milenio.

00:21:10I think that if we have an image

00:21:12of the 20th century

00:21:13of devastating cult leader,

00:21:16almost hellish,

00:21:17That's this man's,

00:21:18David Koresh.

00:21:19Now, news about his family.

00:21:21Yes, a few days ago

00:21:22the police found

00:21:24the mother's corpse

00:21:25by David Koresh,

00:21:26You know,

00:21:27the sect leader

00:21:28of the Branch Davidians.

00:21:29Bonnie Clark

00:21:30was found

00:21:31sewn in her home

00:21:32with a knife.

00:21:33A few hours later

00:21:34her sister was arrested

00:21:36as the alleged perpetrator

00:21:37of the homicide.

00:21:38For now

00:21:39The causes are unknown.

00:21:40that have led this woman

00:21:41to end Bonnie's life,

00:21:43but it was a short time ago

00:21:44had written

00:21:45a biography

00:21:45by David Koresh

00:21:46and of the Huaco tragedy,

00:21:48where they lost their lives

00:21:49more than 80 people,

00:21:51including 24 children.

00:21:52Do you remember,

00:21:53TRUE,

00:21:53Those images?

00:21:54The Branch Davidians

00:21:55locked inside a fort,

00:21:57year 1993,

00:21:59the security forces

00:22:00outside,

00:22:00And this leader,

00:22:01Well,

00:22:02well, practically

00:22:03encouraging that

00:22:03were all

00:22:04to the other world.

00:22:06Now his mother has been stabbed,

00:22:07Gee,

00:22:07how are you doing?

00:22:08How's the yard?

00:22:09And science

00:22:10look for something

00:22:11in the figure of Galileo.

00:22:12In this case,

00:22:13a team of scientists

00:22:14Italians

00:22:15that they want to unearth

00:22:17to Galileo Galilei

00:22:18to extract your DNA

00:22:20and know

00:22:20How far

00:22:21I had problems

00:22:23in the view.

00:22:23The experts

00:22:24they wish to play

00:22:25the sensations

00:22:26that the Italian astronomer had

00:22:27when observing the universe

00:22:29with his telescope

00:22:30four centuries ago.

00:22:32To make it a reality

00:22:33This study,

00:22:34The tomb would have to be opened,

00:22:36take part of the tissue

00:22:37what remains of Galileo

00:22:38and then

00:22:39a physiologist

00:22:40of the eyes

00:22:40that diagnosed

00:22:42what kind of problem

00:22:43He suffered from an eye condition.

00:22:45Well,

00:22:46These are news

00:22:46sufficiently unusual,

00:22:48But those that are coming

00:22:48next

00:22:49They far surpass it.

00:22:50You'll see.

00:22:51We opened that drawer of miscellaneous items,

00:22:52As we sometimes say,

00:22:53of an unusual world.

00:23:00Many times

00:23:01are their own

00:23:01security forces

00:23:02those who record

00:23:03unusual things.

00:23:05In this case

00:23:05We're going all the way to China,

00:23:06where eight firefighters

00:23:07they have recorded

00:23:08a UFO,

00:23:09a flying object

00:23:10unidentified

00:23:11which has a rhomboidal shape.

00:23:13They realized

00:23:13that something was shining

00:23:14in the sky

00:23:15and quickly

00:23:15they went to pick up

00:23:16that camera

00:23:17that they usually carry

00:23:18the security forces,

00:23:19in this case,

00:23:20to see the damage

00:23:21of a fire.

00:23:22They saw that it was emitting

00:23:23various colors

00:23:24and that it was an object

00:23:25divided into two

00:23:26or two objects,

00:23:27They're not entirely sure.

00:23:28Yes indeed,

00:23:28the main television networks

00:23:30and media

00:23:31from China

00:23:32They are analyzing

00:23:33these images

00:23:34so shocking.

00:23:36And for shocking

00:23:37the news

00:23:38that reaches us

00:23:38from Morocco.

00:23:39Very close to the White House

00:23:40has been arrested

00:23:41a network

00:23:42who was dedicated

00:23:43to make puppies

00:23:44hot

00:23:45but with meat

00:23:46of a dog.

00:23:47Apparently,

00:23:48They would catch the poor dogs

00:23:50in a landfill

00:23:51close to the city

00:23:52after killing them.

00:23:54They dismembered them,

00:23:55They made sausages

00:23:56that mixed

00:23:56with tomato

00:23:58and with onion

00:23:58and then

00:23:59They were selling it

00:24:00to the main ones

00:24:01restaurants

00:24:02of the area.

00:24:03Be very careful

00:24:04with what they eat.

00:24:05And maybe

00:24:06news such as

00:24:07the previous one,

00:24:08the one with the hot dogs,

00:24:09deprive them of sleep

00:24:10or if not

00:24:11Don't wake them up

00:24:13with a very loud beep

00:24:15because it has been done

00:24:16a study.

00:24:17Several students

00:24:18have been subjected

00:24:19into a deep sleep

00:24:20and suddenly

00:24:21when they met

00:24:22in that phase

00:24:23has been issued

00:24:24a loud beep.

00:24:25Why did they do this?

00:24:27Well, to identify

00:24:28that they remembered

00:24:29after being

00:24:30suddenly awakened

00:24:31when they met

00:24:32yes indeed

00:24:33in the phase

00:24:34which is called

00:24:34deep sleep.

00:24:35When it is in a phase

00:24:36intermediate

00:24:37no problem,

00:24:38you still remember

00:24:38things

00:24:39But when they wake you up

00:24:40suddenly

00:24:41and you're in that phase

00:24:42We must be careful.

00:24:43because it's possible

00:24:44to go blank.

00:24:45And important news,

00:24:46tomorrow in all

00:24:47newsstands in Spain

00:24:49delivery number 2

00:24:50from the collection

00:24:50from Cuarto Milenio.

00:24:52Mysterious Spain,

00:24:53no more and no less,

00:24:54the other bull's hide.

00:24:55Real reports

00:24:56fascinating.

00:24:57Tomorrow in all

00:24:58newsstands in Spain

00:24:59Fourth Millennium,

00:25:00new collection,

00:25:01new cases.

00:25:03By the way,

00:25:03you know that

00:25:04in the 1950s

00:25:05there begins to be

00:25:06in our country

00:25:07and throughout Europe

00:25:08a feeling

00:25:09that witchcraft,

00:25:10especially the African one,

00:25:11It is stalking us.

00:25:12Also from other distant places,

00:25:14strange epidemics,

00:25:16to die of fright

00:25:16before the sorcerers,

00:25:17all that was beginning

00:25:18to publish

00:25:19around the middle of the century

00:25:19in the press.

00:25:20We recovered it

00:25:21in our newspaper archive.

00:25:34Have you heard of

00:25:34ever

00:25:35of the evil of Molokai?

00:25:36Well, I'm going to tell you.

00:25:38170 people

00:25:39died

00:25:40in just one month

00:25:41for him.

00:25:42But the circumstance arises

00:25:43that it was beginning

00:25:44to speak,

00:25:45As we were saying,

00:25:45of witchcraft.

00:25:46And witchcraft

00:25:47did not remain

00:25:48very far away

00:25:49of us,

00:25:49but in the heart

00:25:50of old Europe

00:25:51It had been installed.

00:25:53A report,

00:25:54in that year,

00:25:54of 1959,

00:25:56it attracted attention

00:25:57of all media

00:25:57journalistic.

00:25:58She was a reporter

00:25:59that had been

00:25:59observing something

00:26:00in the city of light

00:26:02and had been found

00:26:03Carmen especially

00:26:03with shadows

00:26:04and darkness.

00:26:05Yeah,

00:26:06in that report

00:26:06it was being said

00:26:07of witches,

00:26:08of necromancers

00:26:09and of healers,

00:26:10but also

00:26:11of some documents

00:26:12that had been found,

00:26:13For example,

00:26:13at the National Library.

00:26:151610,

00:26:16the document read

00:26:18that he had written

00:26:18Urban Grandier.

00:26:20Urban Grandier

00:26:20that was burned

00:26:22at public stake

00:26:23for being considered

00:26:24a sorcerer

00:26:25And he was talking

00:26:26of the demons

00:26:27who played here

00:26:28his departure

00:26:29with the forces

00:26:30of good and evil,

00:26:31but there was also talk

00:26:32from a document

00:26:32of 1558

00:26:33where it was told

00:26:34the story

00:26:35of a servant

00:26:36to whom his lord

00:26:37had sent

00:26:38to be caught

00:26:38a few hares

00:26:40and also partridges,

00:26:41but then

00:26:42it was found

00:26:42with a wolf.

00:26:43That wolf

00:26:44He managed to cut him

00:26:45one of the legs

00:26:46and he was wearing it too

00:26:47as a trophy

00:26:48after having hunted,

00:26:49But he realized

00:26:50that while I was

00:26:51on his mount

00:26:52that leg

00:26:53it became

00:26:54in one hand,

00:26:55in one hand

00:26:56with a ring

00:26:56that he recognized

00:26:58immediately.

00:26:58He ran

00:26:59to his house

00:26:59and discovered

00:27:00that to his wife

00:27:01he was missing

00:27:02precisely

00:27:03the hand

00:27:04that had cut him off

00:27:05to that she-wolf

00:27:06that had come out

00:27:07at a pace.

00:27:07The woman

00:27:08was burned

00:27:09for being a witch.

00:27:10Those were different times.

00:27:11and it was fashionable

00:27:13in Paris

00:27:13to tell those stories

00:27:15and also

00:27:15that people

00:27:16out to foresee

00:27:17their future

00:27:18to those blacksmiths

00:27:19and to heal

00:27:20little things

00:27:21to those healers

00:27:22that were

00:27:22even on the street.

00:27:23Clear,

00:27:24but being born

00:27:25of those documents

00:27:25ancient

00:27:26had happened

00:27:26that there were some

00:27:2730,000 witches

00:27:28it was said

00:27:28in Paris

00:27:29and many of them

00:27:30They came from Africa

00:27:31and from the colonies

00:27:32evidently French

00:27:33and they brought

00:27:34elements such as

00:27:36the spleen hammer,

00:27:37figurines of the primitive

00:27:38voodoo

00:27:39And it all began

00:27:40to scare

00:27:41to the French population

00:27:41so European.

00:27:42It scared him, a lot.

00:27:43They even said

00:27:44that in Paris

00:27:44There were more witches

00:27:46and more sects

00:27:46throughout Africa

00:27:47but they didn't happen

00:27:48strange diseases

00:27:49for example

00:27:50newspapers reported

00:27:51French people of the time.

00:27:53Clear,

00:27:53like that Molokai disease.

00:27:54On the same date

00:27:55practically everyone is talking

00:27:56of the sorcerers

00:27:57sinister appearance

00:27:59Kauma loves love

00:28:00And this is the essence

00:28:01It is something inherent.

00:28:02to the witchcraft of the world.

00:28:04They will remember,

00:28:04We talked about it

00:28:05that in South America

00:28:05For example

00:28:06There is such a thing as fright sickness.

00:28:07To die for,

00:28:08For example,

00:28:09to desecrate a sacred place,

00:28:10to die because one believes

00:28:12that is leafed,

00:28:13haunted.

00:28:14What happens

00:28:14there was

00:28:14a strange epidemic.

00:28:15People were dying

00:28:16while dreaming.

00:28:18170 Filipinos

00:28:19had appeared

00:28:20dead,

00:28:21corpses

00:28:22and lastly

00:28:22that they remembered

00:28:23For example

00:28:23their spouses

00:28:24those who resisted

00:28:25They were shouting

00:28:27as if a demon

00:28:27appeared to them

00:28:28in dreams.

00:28:29Several doctors

00:28:30they moved

00:28:31to the Hawaiian Islands

00:28:32to Molokai

00:28:32trying to investigate.

00:28:34For example, it was thought that

00:28:35in the diet,

00:28:36in overabundance

00:28:37of rice,

00:28:38in some kind

00:28:39of germ

00:28:40that caused

00:28:41altered states

00:28:43of conscience.

00:28:44In the end

00:28:44It was never known

00:28:45that epidemic

00:28:46of the evil of Molokai

00:28:48descended

00:28:48and left

00:28:49yes indeed

00:28:50170 victims.

00:28:51For the natives

00:28:52there was no doubt

00:28:53They were dead

00:28:54scary

00:28:54dead

00:28:55because the demons

00:28:56from time to time

00:28:57They arrive again

00:28:58us

00:28:59through dreams

00:29:00no more, no less.

00:29:01In the newspaper archive

00:29:02There are gems like these

00:29:03but it must also be said

00:29:04that here in the area

00:29:05from the newspapers

00:29:05we have found

00:29:06other information

00:29:08which are

00:29:09Notice the contrast

00:29:10from the day before yesterday

00:29:11practically.

00:29:12Two months ago

00:29:13The searches began

00:29:14of two corpses

00:29:16in a well

00:29:17in a pit

00:29:17about 30 meters

00:29:18full

00:29:19of all kinds

00:29:20of rot

00:29:21apparently

00:29:22There are two corpses

00:29:23two men

00:29:24coldly murdered

00:29:26by one person

00:29:27that now

00:29:27perhaps consciousness

00:29:28or something else

00:29:29He makes him confess.

00:29:32It's a case

00:29:32unique in criminology

00:29:34that individual

00:29:35has crossed

00:29:36all of Africa

00:29:37for

00:29:38Let's put it this way

00:29:39surrender

00:29:40And why?

00:29:41Because one of those victims

00:29:43he appears

00:29:44and speaks to him

00:29:45a unique case

00:29:46Do you want to meet him?

00:29:47Report by our colleague

00:29:49Paco Pérez Caballero

00:29:52It doesn't make sense.

00:29:53to escape from a nightmare

00:29:55of remorse

00:29:57that consumes us

00:29:57It's impossible.

00:29:59escape

00:30:00of oneself

00:30:01You can run

00:30:02but in the end

00:30:04the anguish

00:30:05it always ends

00:30:07to reach us

00:30:19for years

00:30:20a tireless presence

00:30:22pursues

00:30:23to Bucécrit and Fisi

00:30:24began

00:30:25like a blurry silhouette

00:30:26and little by little

00:30:28it gradually became

00:30:29stronger

00:30:30from Spain

00:30:31he left

00:30:32to Senegal

00:30:33trying to forget

00:30:34never imagined

00:30:36that the spectrum

00:30:36I would find him

00:30:37there too

00:30:39but now

00:30:40the vision

00:30:41It's so clear

00:30:42that paralyzes him

00:30:42a matter

00:30:44of these characteristics

00:30:45This is the first time

00:30:47that presents itself to me

00:30:48the first case

00:30:49that I am aware of

00:30:50in Spain

00:30:51that it occurs

00:30:51a confession

00:30:52of this type

00:30:54especially in those circumstances

00:30:56with what it is

00:30:56an alleged apparition

00:30:58that this person

00:31:00gives as real

00:31:02and for him

00:31:03doubtless

00:31:04indubitable

00:31:05now then

00:31:06I believe that everything

00:31:07killer somehow

00:31:08or it's very, very, very hard

00:31:10and a true psychopath

00:31:12and a heartless

00:31:13a soulless person

00:31:14or does it have to drag

00:31:16feelings of guilt

00:31:19more or less intense

00:31:20I think that

00:31:21to everyone

00:31:22more or less

00:31:22the spirit of his victim

00:31:24the ghost of his victim

00:31:25he appears

00:31:26somehow

00:31:26even

00:31:27in prison

00:31:28or serving a sentence

00:31:29That's in dreams.

00:31:30or somehow

00:31:31It's difficult

00:31:32that someone

00:31:33Don't let that happen to you.

00:31:35It seems impossible.

00:31:36but his victim

00:31:37is standing in front of him

00:31:41I'm sorry

00:31:42it's useless

00:31:43He thinks he's going to die.

00:31:45but instead

00:31:47he answers

00:31:48a voice from beyond the grave

00:31:52I forgive you

00:31:53but you have to bury

00:31:56those appearances

00:31:57they keep happening

00:31:58I suppose the remorse

00:31:59of this person

00:32:00They had already begun

00:32:01and as a result

00:32:02of this macabre event

00:32:05he decides to take out

00:32:06from the bank

00:32:07all your money

00:32:08He sells all his properties

00:32:09and distributes

00:32:10all those benefits

00:32:13that he had had

00:32:14throughout his life

00:32:16in various jobs

00:32:17and decides to become

00:32:18with a fake passport

00:32:20a French passport

00:32:22with which to cross

00:32:22the border

00:32:23between Morocco

00:32:24and Spain

00:32:26fulfill the wish

00:32:27of the deceased

00:32:28It's not going to be that simple.

00:32:31the Melilla police

00:32:33discovers that his documentation

00:32:35is irregular

00:32:35and he stops him

00:32:36then

00:32:38when it collapses

00:32:39and confesses

00:32:40to have killed

00:32:41two people

00:32:41on a farm

00:32:42from Cartagena

00:32:43not only confession

00:32:45of this Moroccan

00:32:48It seems at first

00:32:50plausible

00:32:51truthful

00:32:52consistent

00:32:53and consistent

00:32:53but

00:32:55forensic evidence

00:32:56that have already been done

00:32:57expert evidence

00:32:58that have been done

00:32:58at home

00:32:59They come to confirm

00:33:00point by point

00:33:01the story

00:33:02that he says

00:33:02Action has been taken there

00:33:04with

00:33:05with luminol

00:33:06which is the substance

00:33:07this

00:33:07that allows

00:33:08detect traces of blood

00:33:10that many years

00:33:11after there

00:33:13had occurred

00:33:14a crime

00:33:17demonstrates

00:33:18that there is human blood there

00:33:19abundant human blood

00:33:21that there were remains

00:33:22important bloodlines

00:33:23on the walls

00:33:24and on the ground

00:33:24on the sites

00:33:26where he remembers

00:33:27who murdered them

00:33:28There are also remains

00:33:30of projectiles

00:33:31on the walls

00:33:32according to the statement

00:33:33of the alleged murderer

00:33:34It all happened here

00:33:35on this property

00:33:36from Narrow Well

00:33:37just a few kilometers away

00:33:38from Cartagena

00:33:39after murder

00:33:40to the two victims

00:33:41threw them

00:33:42to one of its wells

00:33:43the deepest

00:33:44I believed that in that way

00:33:45would be free

00:33:47to comply with justice

00:33:48but they started

00:33:49nightmares

00:33:49and the visions

00:33:50it appeared to him

00:33:51one of the dead

00:33:53his friend Said

00:33:54who threatened him

00:33:55by torturing him

00:33:56unless he gave it to her

00:33:57proper burial

00:34:00Bucecri committed

00:34:01the first crime

00:34:02in 1997

00:34:05He and Said

00:34:06were part

00:34:07from a small group

00:34:08of drug traffickers

00:34:09but his friend

00:34:11wanted to leave

00:34:11drop out of that class

00:34:13life

00:34:13the gang leader

00:34:15he considered it

00:34:16a betrayal

00:34:16and ordered

00:34:18that it would fall apart

00:34:19his

00:34:25We start from a base

00:34:28the killers

00:34:29They're not crazy

00:34:30There's a crazy person out there.

00:34:31who commits a crime

00:34:32some

00:34:33He is not usually a killer.

00:34:34is a person

00:34:35bad

00:34:36that is to say

00:34:37that we're going to leave

00:34:38of this trend

00:34:39that there

00:34:40to psychiatize

00:34:41society

00:34:42or society

00:34:43criminal

00:34:44a killer

00:34:45is a person

00:34:46until proven

00:34:47is a person

00:34:47normal that commits a crime

00:34:50in 2002

00:34:51another man known

00:34:52like Fat Angel

00:34:54He suffered the same fate

00:34:55that Said

00:34:56according to the alleged killer

00:34:58the two bodies

00:34:59They rest in this well

00:35:01buried under tons

00:35:03of garbage

00:35:04the second crime

00:35:06It happens five years later

00:35:07and in this case

00:35:08is a person called

00:35:09Fat Angel

00:35:10that he says he has

00:35:11Andalusian accent

00:35:11the one who kidnaps

00:35:13also orders

00:35:15kill

00:35:16the boss

00:35:17of the organization

00:35:18over a matter

00:35:19also of debts

00:35:20says that he

00:35:22It opens a hole

00:35:23on the chest

00:35:23with a shotgun

00:35:25of sawed-off barrels

00:35:26and when it falls to the ground

00:35:28He finishes it off

00:35:29two shots

00:35:29on the back

00:35:30I think that here

00:35:31religion plays a role

00:35:32a fundamental role

00:35:33throughout this story

00:35:35this

00:35:35the alleged killer

00:35:37is a person

00:35:39of Muslim recreations

00:35:41Muslim religion

00:35:43quite intense

00:35:44He lives religiously.

00:35:45it seems

00:35:46quite intense

00:35:48And he is aware

00:35:49somehow

00:35:50that there are things

00:35:52which ones you can't play with

00:35:53within their beliefs

00:35:54one of them

00:35:55It is the burial

00:35:56of the dead

00:35:58and he knows

00:35:59He is aware

00:36:00I'm telling you

00:36:00according to their own beliefs

00:36:02about what

00:36:02in the form

00:36:03in which he has done

00:36:04disappear the corpse

00:36:05that undignified way

00:36:06in which he has done

00:36:07disappear the corpse

00:36:08who was his friend

00:36:08even if they later forced him

00:36:10to kill him

00:36:10well that person

00:36:12is incapable

00:36:13somehow

00:36:14to get rid of

00:36:15of that existence

00:36:15of that meat

00:36:16carnal

00:36:17let's say

00:36:18material

00:36:19and achieve

00:36:20what is their paradise

00:36:21the forensic police

00:36:22works in collaboration

00:36:23with the firefighters

00:36:24from Cartagena

00:36:25and from Molina de Segura

00:36:26but the recovery

00:36:28of the remains

00:36:28It's not going to be easy at all.

00:36:30in the well

00:36:32in which supposedly

00:36:33the bodies rest

00:36:34There are dangerous gases

00:36:36and risk

00:36:37of landslides

00:36:38good

00:36:38we have prepared here

00:36:39a sketch

00:36:40of how it was

00:36:41the performance

00:36:42This is the

00:36:43the beginning

00:36:44of the works

00:36:45the well

00:36:46we have tried here

00:36:48reflect it

00:36:48It had a diameter

00:36:50one meter radius

00:36:51approximately

00:36:52It had an extension

00:36:53at 5 or 6 meters

00:36:55They reached up to 26

00:36:57a kind of tube

00:36:58in which

00:36:59then it opened

00:37:00a kind of vault

00:37:01in which

00:37:02the compact

00:37:03of garbage

00:37:04was

00:37:05it was already appearing

00:37:06in the 30 meters

00:37:09approximately

00:37:09We were there

00:37:11taking out

00:37:12all this type

00:37:12compact waste

00:37:14and we got to be

00:37:16about 32

00:37:1734 meters

00:37:18for this type

00:37:19of jobs

00:37:20we always use

00:37:21some suits

00:37:22protection

00:37:24level 2

00:37:24that they give us

00:37:25security

00:37:26because

00:37:27in that type

00:37:28environment

00:37:29sterile

00:37:30There is danger

00:37:31of diseases

00:37:32contagious

00:37:33because of the topic

00:37:33from the garbage

00:37:34there are bodies

00:37:34decomposing

00:37:35so

00:37:36we use

00:37:37this type

00:37:37suit

00:37:37coming

00:37:38equipped

00:37:39with his gloves

00:37:39protection

00:37:40his boots

00:37:41and a helmet

00:37:42in which

00:37:42it is attached

00:37:43a mask

00:37:44breathing

00:37:45autonomous

00:37:46that

00:37:47if required

00:37:48that we had

00:37:49what to put

00:37:49at all times

00:37:51We are working

00:37:52with an analyzer

00:37:53of gases

00:37:53which tells us

00:37:54the level

00:37:55oxygen

00:37:56that we have

00:37:56there in the well

00:37:57because when removing

00:37:59trash

00:37:59emanates

00:38:01carbon dioxide

00:38:02and emanates

00:38:03also methane

00:38:03therefore

00:38:04immediately

00:38:04directly

00:38:05we would have to

00:38:06put on the equipment

00:38:07to be

00:38:07protected

00:38:08in the face of gases

00:38:10the specialists

00:38:11they believe that

00:38:12bucecri

00:38:12He is a man

00:38:13completely

00:38:14normal

00:38:14to whom his

00:38:15awareness

00:38:16he played him

00:38:17a bad trick

00:38:18It's not the first time.

00:38:19once a victim

00:38:21defeat

00:38:21to his killer

00:38:22He has seen

00:38:23to his friend

00:38:24that they don't see it

00:38:25the others

00:38:25It has nothing to do with it

00:38:26the one who has

00:38:27remorse

00:38:27It's him

00:38:28They are not the ones who

00:38:29They accompany him

00:38:29many years ago

00:38:31here in Cartagena

00:38:32There were some homicides

00:38:34of homosexuals

00:38:35and then

00:38:36of the two years

00:38:37of the last

00:38:37the author

00:38:39who was in France

00:38:39perfectly free

00:38:40working

00:38:40integrated

00:38:41He came and surrendered

00:38:43out of remorse

00:38:44So he's not the only one

00:38:45case that

00:38:46I know

00:38:48and in fact

00:38:48the people who work

00:38:49with homicides

00:38:50unless homicide

00:38:51a fanatic

00:38:53always counts

00:38:55with the advantage

00:38:56that the one who kills

00:38:57to another

00:38:57has remorse

00:38:58and ends up telling it

00:39:00wanting to tell

00:39:02or makes signs

00:39:03gives signs

00:39:04so that they can arrest him

00:39:05because they are eager

00:39:06purge

00:39:07His hand did not tremble

00:39:09to kill

00:39:09to his former friend

00:39:10but the idea

00:39:12about what

00:39:12by throwing him into the well

00:39:14had stolen from him

00:39:15paradise

00:39:16It prevented him from sleeping

00:39:17at night

00:39:18and remorse

00:39:21They were so strong

00:39:22that awoke

00:39:24to his ghost

00:39:43very recent case

00:39:44and we had never

00:39:45heard nothing like it

00:39:47That's why he started investigating

00:39:48our colleague

00:39:49our reporter

00:39:50in the world of shadows

00:39:51that so many times

00:39:52join

00:39:52criminology

00:39:53and supernatural mystery

00:39:56Paco Pérez Caballero

00:39:57Good night, friend.

00:39:58Good evening Ezequiel

00:39:59Look, I have here

00:40:00the truth

00:40:01Thursday

00:40:01two months ago

00:40:02November 20

00:40:04He appears to me in dreams

00:40:06and says

00:40:06I forgive you

00:40:07But bury me

00:40:08That's what he confessed

00:40:10to the police

00:40:10What a story!

00:40:11very important thing

00:40:12This man has nothing

00:40:13to win the other way around

00:40:14And let that be perfectly clear

00:40:15the journey he makes

00:40:16to comply

00:40:17that last will

00:40:18of that spectrum

00:40:19that he

00:40:20does not exist

00:40:20there is no doubt

00:40:21says he sees physically

00:40:22It's not just my imagination.

00:40:23I have no doubt

00:40:24The first thing I want to do

00:40:25It's saying thank you.

00:40:26to Ricardo Fernández

00:40:27the local manager

00:40:28of the truth of Murcia

00:40:29that has opened for us

00:40:30all doors

00:40:30and has taught us

00:40:31all the keys

00:40:32of this case

00:40:33hallucinatory

00:40:33I don't have any left.

00:40:34no doubt

00:40:35nor any of the experts

00:40:36that this man

00:40:36has seen his friend

00:40:38because it doesn't fit

00:40:39no doubt

00:40:39I was in Senegal

00:40:40and suddenly

00:40:41has an accident

00:40:42of very serious traffic

00:40:43in which almost

00:40:44in the end

00:40:44It is miraculous

00:40:45that comes out

00:40:46that he comes out alive

00:40:48And that's because he has seen

00:40:49to his friend

00:40:49in the middle of the road

00:40:50when it's coming out

00:40:51of the car

00:40:52the first vision

00:40:52It's with the blow

00:40:54he says

00:40:55excellent

00:40:56had appeared to him

00:40:56several times

00:40:57in dreams

00:40:57that little by little

00:40:58It was becoming more tangible

00:41:00until that day

00:41:01on the road

00:41:02from Senegal

00:41:02he appears

00:41:03and he thinks he sees it

00:41:04with complete clarity

00:41:05And that's why

00:41:05loses control

00:41:06of the car

00:41:06and when it comes out

00:41:07indeed

00:41:07There it is

00:41:08and speaks to him

00:41:09There is dialogue

00:41:10which is all that's left for him

00:41:11absolutely

00:41:11now without any doubt

00:41:12has to do

00:41:13what he tells her

00:41:13because he is terrified

00:41:15and tells him

00:41:15I forgive you

00:41:16But you have to bury me

00:41:17This is a key

00:41:18because he has

00:41:19a troubled conscience

00:41:20he thinks he has stolen from him

00:41:21to his friend

00:41:22not only life

00:41:23but also paradise

00:41:24and then it takes

00:41:25He's coming to Spain

00:41:27trying to reach

00:41:27to the place where he had killed

00:41:29to his friend

00:41:29and had buried him

00:41:30had thrown it

00:41:31to a well in Cartagena

00:41:32but they arrest him

00:41:33on the border

00:41:33because he has no documentation

00:41:34What's happening?

00:41:36He came to bury him

00:41:37with their own hands

00:41:38knowing that he was

00:41:38at the bottom of a well

00:41:39inaccessible

00:41:40to such an extent

00:41:41that the firefighters

00:41:41They haven't been able to yet

00:41:42recover the bodies

00:41:43but upon being arrested

00:41:45She can't take it anymore

00:41:47confesses absolutely

00:41:47everything he has done

00:41:48and please ask

00:41:49that he doesn't care

00:41:50whatever happens to him

00:41:51but please

00:41:52Bury your friend

00:41:52Are there any similar cases?

00:41:54in history

00:41:55of world criminology?

00:41:56And he's going to tell the tale.

00:41:57our colleague

00:41:58Paco Pérez Caballero

00:41:58Dr. Cabrera

00:41:59good night

00:42:00how are you?

00:42:00good night

00:42:01First keys

00:42:02of this story

00:42:02that you just presided over?

00:42:04Well, there are many clues here.

00:42:05individual

00:42:05cultural

00:42:06Muslim

00:42:07etc.

00:42:07We could talk later

00:42:08of Muslim training

00:42:09and all this

00:42:09And there is one important thing.

00:42:11What's the difference?

00:42:11between a hallucination

00:42:12And reality?

00:42:15the person who sees an object

00:42:16even if it doesn't exist

00:42:17He sees it

00:42:18Why does he see it?

00:42:19Of course, the enigmatic doctor

00:42:20of hallucinations

00:42:20when we go to

00:42:21And you have written a lot.

00:42:23especially of all kinds

00:42:24of forensic terminology

00:42:25and enigmas of the mind

00:42:27scientists

00:42:28is that the subject

00:42:29that he is seeing a hallucination

00:42:30because for him

00:42:31It's not a hallucination

00:42:31It is a real object

00:42:32absolutely real

00:42:33that there

00:42:34in their daily lives

00:42:35but not only real

00:42:36It's even more real.

00:42:37that reality

00:42:37the hallucination

00:42:39obfuscates

00:42:39the rest of reality

00:42:41in this case

00:42:42consciousness

00:42:44tormented

00:42:44of a Muslim man

00:42:45practicing

00:42:46of not having buried

00:42:47that man

00:42:48whom he has murdered

00:42:49those two men

00:42:50that he has murdered

00:42:50It takes him

00:42:51to witness

00:42:53the body

00:42:53from one of them

00:42:54that asks

00:42:54Bury me

00:42:55which is really

00:42:57It's serious.

00:42:57for the Muslim religion

00:42:59He also plays

00:42:59Iker

00:43:00that the ghost itself

00:43:01saves his life

00:43:02cause of the accident

00:43:03but it does not allow

00:43:04let him die

00:43:05to fulfill their mission

00:43:06to fulfill his wish

00:43:07and then this is already

00:43:08That's what drives him

00:43:09that is to say

00:43:10He doesn't just see

00:43:11to the ghosts

00:43:11but gives

00:43:12supernatural powers

00:43:13He is convinced

00:43:14that he can do something to her

00:43:16that could end his life

00:43:17that has saved him

00:43:17but on another occasion

00:43:18can end your life

00:43:19indeed

00:43:20so he doesn't hesitate

00:43:21in selling everything

00:43:22That's impressive too.

00:43:23all the money

00:43:24that had accumulated

00:43:25in their shady dealings

00:43:26in their movements

00:43:27criminals

00:43:28He sells everything.

00:43:29and he's coming to Spain

00:43:30with nothing

00:43:31simply to comply

00:43:32the ghost's wish

00:43:33It's on this table

00:43:34of course

00:43:34our dear friend

00:43:36doctor in anthropology

00:43:37José Luis Cardero

00:43:38because he always

00:43:39he insisted

00:43:39in a story

00:43:40which goes from the beginning

00:43:41of man

00:43:42from the caves

00:43:43fear

00:43:44to the dead

00:43:45that are not properly buried

00:43:46José Luis

00:43:48good night

00:43:49it is repeated here

00:43:50The curious thing

00:43:51That's when we talk

00:43:51of the caves

00:43:52We're talking about the Middle Ages

00:43:53we can understand it

00:43:54But this is November.

00:43:55from 2008

00:43:55and it's a police case

00:43:56unsolved

00:43:57Well

00:43:58we are facing a great

00:43:59cultural structure

00:44:00that goes back

00:44:01to the origins

00:44:02of humanity

00:44:02the Romans

00:44:04a culture

00:44:05highly developed

00:44:07They believed that souls

00:44:08of the dead

00:44:09They were supernatural beings

00:44:10and terribly dangerous

00:44:12above all

00:44:13if they did not surrender

00:44:14the honors

00:44:14and the cults

00:44:15that were due

00:44:16But the most curious thing

00:44:17of all this

00:44:17It is the following

00:44:18not only

00:44:19the dead man

00:44:20He must be buried

00:44:21or incinerated

00:44:22but it must be

00:44:23for his family

00:44:23the family

00:44:25has a sacred obligation

00:44:26which is to bury

00:44:28to his deceased relative

00:44:29for two reasons

00:44:30first of all

00:44:31so that that being

00:44:32supernatural

00:44:33that is released

00:44:34with death

00:44:34I didn't come back

00:44:35and do not disturb

00:44:36to the living

00:44:37and secondly

00:44:39well, to surrender to him

00:44:39the corresponding honors

00:44:40and get that soul

00:44:42deceased

00:44:42may arrive

00:44:43to the world

00:44:44of the ancestors

00:44:45if this doesn't do it

00:44:46his family

00:44:46the dead man

00:44:48He does not rest in peace.

00:44:49It's so much like that

00:44:49that the Greeks

00:44:50They had a structure

00:44:52from beyond

00:44:52tremendously developed

00:44:53in which

00:44:55two geniuses

00:44:55who were children of the night

00:44:57hymns

00:44:58which is a dream

00:44:59and Thanatos

00:44:59which is death

00:45:00they took the soul

00:45:01of the deceased

00:45:02It had to be them

00:45:03those who caught it

00:45:04representing the country

00:45:05of the dead

00:45:06and take it

00:45:07even the ferryman

00:45:08until Charon

00:45:08until death

00:45:10He took charge there.

00:45:11Charon from her

00:45:11and he took her away

00:45:12to the afterlife

00:45:13But if they

00:45:14They didn't.

00:45:15as representatives

00:45:16of their own culture

00:45:16the dead man

00:45:17I couldn't rest

00:45:18at peace

00:45:18and Charon

00:45:19I couldn't take him in

00:45:20And that has been repeated

00:45:20in all cultures

00:45:21the detached dead man

00:45:23the dead man

00:45:23who never rests

00:45:24the dead man who does not rest

00:45:25and the dead man who returns

00:45:26Excuse me for interrupting

00:45:27because it just occurred to me

00:45:28that we are talking

00:45:29of the Islamic world

00:45:30Muslim

00:45:31where things

00:45:32They have a special power

00:45:34the dead man

00:45:35in the Muslim religion

00:45:36He has to be buried

00:45:37in contact with the earth

00:45:38lying on side

00:45:39looking towards Mecca

00:45:41with some special prayers

00:45:42and the Quran

00:45:43It's hard

00:45:44and inflexible

00:45:44with the non-burial

00:45:46clear

00:45:47And here we are

00:45:47to a question

00:45:48very graphic

00:45:49What happened to him?

00:45:50this man

00:45:50and that also has

00:45:51an immersion

00:45:52in the human mind

00:45:53But I was remembering

00:45:54does

00:45:55Well, look

00:45:56three days ago

00:45:56in Venice

00:45:57Eric Frattini

00:45:58wandering a little

00:45:59in search of mysteries

00:46:00in Venice

00:46:00he told me

00:46:01a terrible tradition

00:46:03that was done

00:46:04He was taken in by some Muslims

00:46:06at very specific times

00:46:08which was

00:46:08the most terrible thing

00:46:09What could happen to him?

00:46:10and there are chronicles

00:46:11It was to dismember the body

00:46:12and bury it

00:46:14wrapped in pigskin

00:46:16decomposition

00:46:17defragmentation

00:46:18of the body

00:46:18and on top of that

00:46:19wrapped in pigskin

00:46:20that is to say

00:46:20some religions

00:46:22have been

00:46:23very protective

00:46:25of its tradition

00:46:25now then

00:46:26This man

00:46:28has a conscience

00:46:29a remorse

00:46:30remorse

00:46:31of a human being

00:46:32even if he's a criminal

00:46:33can reach this point

00:46:34or we are at the barrier

00:46:35that remorse

00:46:36may cause

00:46:38a hallucination

00:46:38or what it says in another sense

00:46:40can call

00:46:40to that other side

00:46:41that there

00:46:42What do you think, doctor?

00:46:42Let's see

00:46:43that awareness

00:46:44that you've done something wrong

00:46:45It torments you

00:46:46And if you're not a psychopath

00:46:48a mercenary

00:46:49a hitman

00:46:50a man accustomed

00:46:51to kill

00:46:52a guerrilla fighter

00:46:53etc.

00:46:53Do you think these are the ones?

00:46:54Do they have no conscience?

00:46:55They have it

00:46:55but they have mitigated it

00:46:57due to repeated custom

00:46:58of death

00:47:00naturally

00:47:00And someone who kills

00:47:02Let's say it occasionally

00:47:04for any sudden reason

00:47:06Do you think so, doctor?

00:47:07or have you studied cases

00:47:08the dead man returns

00:47:09He calls her

00:47:10consciousness

00:47:11you

00:47:13It probes like a dagger

00:47:14constantly?

00:47:15a normal person

00:47:16who goes with his car

00:47:17and by a chance accident

00:47:18through no fault of his own

00:47:20runs over another

00:47:21and kills him

00:47:22That person has a past

00:47:23and later in his life

00:47:24that then there

00:47:25that awareness

00:47:26to become embodied

00:47:27and let him

00:47:28can't sleep

00:47:29and in the end

00:47:30from so much consumption

00:47:31what do you have

00:47:32you can arrive

00:47:33at key moments

00:47:34to have images

00:47:35which are not

00:47:37properly real

00:47:38but that remind you

00:47:39that damage

00:47:40that you have made a human being

00:47:41But look, Iker

00:47:41that we were talking about

00:47:42of history

00:47:43of criminology

00:47:43and indeed

00:47:44There are many murderers

00:47:46who have been defeated

00:47:47finally by their victims

00:47:48just as the doctor says

00:47:49their victims

00:47:50For example

00:47:50the killer

00:47:51one of the best known

00:47:52from Germany

00:47:53the Dusseldor vampire Peter Kurten

00:47:54which we have already talked about

00:47:55on some occasion

00:47:56on Fourth Millennium

00:47:57This man

00:47:57I only had one fear

00:47:58and it was that their victims

00:48:00they would get up at night

00:48:01and go after him

00:48:01That's the problem

00:48:02I had mixed feelings

00:48:04because on one hand

00:48:05I wanted to leave them unburied

00:48:06so they can then take advantage

00:48:07of the corpses

00:48:08But when I was sleeping

00:48:09many times

00:48:10they presented themselves

00:48:11the ghosts

00:48:11of those victims

00:48:12and he had to get up

00:48:13run

00:48:14to the place where he was

00:48:15the corpse

00:48:16and bury it

00:48:16or

00:48:17make an anonymous call

00:48:18to the police

00:48:18asking please

00:48:19that they bury that body

00:48:21So take care

00:48:21How far

00:48:22even heartless psychopaths

00:48:23Because I have no doubt.

00:48:24that this man

00:48:25Peter Kurten

00:48:26He was a heartless psychopath

00:48:27sometimes

00:48:28They have that awareness

00:48:29or something else

00:48:30because indeed

00:48:31There's something there

00:48:33the victim who has suffered

00:48:34that unexpected death

00:48:36that savage death

00:48:37he may want revenge

00:48:38of course

00:48:38Notice one important thing

00:48:40It's the gesture

00:48:41that is repeated so many times

00:48:42in the movies

00:48:43to close your eyes

00:48:43piously to the deceased

00:48:44It is not a pious gesture

00:48:46It is a gesture of protection

00:48:48the dead man

00:48:49cannot see

00:48:50to those around him

00:48:51the dead man

00:48:51It's dangerous.

00:48:52and the dead man

00:48:53can transmit death

00:48:54so

00:48:55His eyes close

00:48:56and he

00:48:58somehow renders useless

00:48:59the mouth

00:49:00in theory

00:49:00It's with the coin

00:49:01that he has to pay

00:49:01the ferryman

00:49:02but actually

00:49:03is so that

00:49:03your senses

00:49:04remain blocked

00:49:05And it's curious.

00:49:07that in some towns

00:49:07not even

00:49:08can be allowed

00:49:09luxury

00:49:09the family

00:49:10to cry

00:49:11because of that crying

00:49:12can attract

00:49:13back to the soul

00:49:14that is to say

00:49:15as you can see

00:49:15There is one thing

00:49:16almost compulsive

00:49:17which is to avoid

00:49:18once it has occurred

00:49:20the separation from death

00:49:20prevent the dead

00:49:21somehow

00:49:22can return

00:49:23and for that

00:49:24A gigantic slab is placed over it.

00:49:26on

00:49:26the gravestone

00:49:27so that he can't come back

00:49:28and he is locked up

00:49:29He is isolated

00:49:29It's curious.

00:49:30but that

00:49:30it continues to be maintained

00:49:31in our culture

00:49:32And that's magnificent.

00:49:34described in Don Juan Tenorio

00:49:35in the end

00:49:36to Don Juan

00:49:37He is defeated by his murders

00:49:39that everyone leaves

00:49:40from the tombs

00:49:41And they're going after him

00:49:41which is when he

00:49:42at the end of the work

00:49:43famous

00:49:44from our writer

00:49:45says

00:49:46more is fair

00:49:47that from here

00:49:47to the notorious universe

00:49:48that

00:49:49because it opens purgatory

00:49:50a point of penance

00:49:51He is the god of mercy.

00:49:53the god of Don Juan Tenorio

00:49:54which is when the work ends

00:49:55that is to say

00:49:55It's the image

00:49:57of remorse

00:49:58of a professional assassin

00:49:59who was Don Juan

00:50:01Paco

00:50:01one thing

00:50:02the investigation

00:50:03right now

00:50:04so that we're clear on it

00:50:06Incidentally, Dr. Cabrera

00:50:07when I saw the images

00:50:08from that well

00:50:08I was saying, what a danger!

00:50:09Yeah

00:50:10because it's a well

00:50:10where there are a lot of gases

00:50:11The firefighter explained it.

00:50:13perfectly

00:50:13It is a very serious danger

00:50:15for the security forces

00:50:16go in there

00:50:17lots of gas

00:50:17without a doubt

00:50:18and in fact

00:50:18What's going on there?

00:50:19That's the question we ask ourselves.

00:50:20When will it be possible?

00:50:22go in there

00:50:23and recover the bodies?

00:50:24right now

00:50:24It has had to be halted

00:50:25the search

00:50:27They are waiting

00:50:28that concrete be injected there

00:50:29and that this can be done

00:50:30can be lowered

00:50:31with some certainty

00:50:32the firefighters tell us

00:50:33which logically

00:50:34if there were people alive

00:50:35they would not have hesitated

00:50:36they would have risked their lives

00:50:37But since they are corpses

00:50:38They're going to try to go down

00:50:40with certainty

00:50:40because there is a lot of danger

00:50:41There are 30 meters away

00:50:43there is a fork

00:50:44therefore

00:50:45That comes up in several branches

00:50:46and those branches

00:50:47have collapsed

00:50:48in part

00:50:49therefore

00:50:49There is danger to life

00:50:51firefighters

00:50:51There is a lot of trash

00:50:52It's a well

00:50:53that was unusable

00:50:54It was used for

00:50:55dumping livestock remains

00:50:57lots of waste

00:50:58we have seen some

00:50:59in the report

00:51:00in the end

00:51:01Several tons have been removed

00:51:02But of course

00:51:03have passed

00:51:03look

00:51:04since 1997

00:51:05which was the murder of Said

00:51:062002

00:51:07which was the murder

00:51:08from Fat Angel

00:51:08until now that it has been delivered

00:51:10they've been throwing out trash

00:51:27which

00:51:28the firefighters here

00:51:30It's extremely dangerous

00:51:31What would be found as remains?

00:51:32doctor right now

00:51:33in those circumstances

00:51:34What might the police find?

00:51:36or the firefighters?

00:51:36probably pure bone

00:51:38because there are a lot of them there

00:51:39of bacteria

00:51:40a lot of mushrooms

00:51:41even small animals

00:51:42There may be rats

00:51:43etc.

00:51:44in the bodies

00:51:45They're not going to appear

00:51:45only skeletonized

00:51:47Well, but there's a fact

00:51:47which should be highlighted

00:51:48They have already found blood.

00:51:49on the spot

00:51:50where did this man say that?

00:51:51who has killed his friend

00:51:52and the other

00:51:53that is to say

00:51:53There is data

00:51:54There is evidence

00:51:55that indicate

00:51:55that's what he's saying

00:51:56It's true

00:51:56even if it takes several months

00:51:58in finding the bodies

00:51:58The police are working

00:51:59about the hypothesis

00:52:00that this man

00:52:00He is right

00:52:01and that its history

00:52:02It has no springs

00:52:04And by the way, Paco

00:52:04the police

00:52:05the media

00:52:05communication

00:52:07They were surprised

00:52:08But what about the police?

00:52:10What did the researchers say?

00:52:12The forensic experts?

00:52:13There is a general surprise

00:52:14There is a general surprise

00:52:15because it is a unique case

00:52:17we have seen that indeed

00:52:18remorse

00:52:18They lead to many murderers

00:52:20to surrender

00:52:20even after several years

00:52:22But this story

00:52:23so detailed

00:52:23so surprising

00:52:25which begins in Senegal

00:52:26where no one had any suspicion

00:52:28that these two men

00:52:29they were missing

00:52:30No one was looking for the killer.

00:52:32therefore

00:52:32of these two people

00:52:33that man

00:52:34avenge from so far away

00:52:35Tell that story

00:52:36so surprising

00:52:37in such a reasoned way

00:52:38because the experts

00:52:39who have interviewed him

00:52:41They have no doubt

00:52:41that he is a man

00:52:42absolutely normal

00:52:43another key

00:52:43because we could be talking

00:52:44of a madman

00:52:45of a person who is hallucinating

00:52:46No

00:52:46an absolutely serene man

00:52:48that presents

00:52:49who is now in jail

00:52:49and it seems that right now

00:52:50He's calmer now.

00:52:51waiting

00:52:52that they find their friend

00:52:53But there is another important fact

00:52:54What is ritual impurity?

00:52:55that is to say

00:52:57the corpses

00:52:57are deposited

00:52:58in a garbage dump

00:52:58in contact

00:53:00with pig bones

00:53:01the Muslim religion

00:53:02It is absolutely

00:53:04And the killer knows that.

00:53:05The killer knows that.

00:53:06that is to say

00:53:06There is also

00:53:07of all this

00:53:08ritual impurity

00:53:09from the deposit

00:53:10of the corpse

00:53:10That's a great piece of information!

00:53:11doctor

00:53:12finally

00:53:12to close

00:53:13because the topic

00:53:14It's exciting

00:53:15It gives the impression

00:53:16about what

00:53:17This man

00:53:18is mentally healthy

00:53:20What does that indicate?

00:53:22a man who tells this

00:53:23with this level of detail

00:53:24and that it does not have

00:53:25a disorder

00:53:27the vast majority

00:53:28of people

00:53:29who kill others

00:53:30They are perfectly healthy

00:53:32in this case

00:53:33the experts

00:53:33have determined

00:53:34who has mental health

00:53:35but

00:53:35You can't go any further

00:53:37This man

00:53:37He has religious convictions.

00:53:39so powerful

00:53:39which are the ones that gave him away

00:53:42by his own conscience

00:53:44Can anyone have

00:53:44hallucinations

00:53:45almost corporeal

00:53:46even if I don't have any disorder?

00:53:47It has been discussed a lot

00:53:48And there has been much talk

00:53:49above all

00:53:49between the mysticism

00:53:50in the mystics

00:53:51of Saint Teresa of Jesus

00:53:52Muslim mysticism

00:53:53with the Sufis

00:53:53Buddhist mystics

00:53:55Can things be seen?

00:53:56in mystical states?

00:53:58Yeah

00:53:59without needing to take drugs

00:54:00but by the simple state

00:54:02of exaltation of spirit

00:54:04perfect ending

00:54:05Nothing more can be said

00:54:06We will continue to pay close attention.

00:54:07Thanks again

00:54:07Paco said so

00:54:08to our colleagues in Murcia

00:54:09investigative journalists

00:54:11that they did not leave

00:54:12that the rumor would die out

00:54:14but they investigated thoroughly

00:54:15And by the way

00:54:16We were talking about dangerous gases

00:54:17TRUE?

00:54:18Well, now I want to talk to you.

00:54:18in a few minutes

00:54:19of other gases

00:54:19which are hopeful

00:54:21gases that indicate

00:54:22Some say that life

00:54:24none other than Mars

00:54:25What a piece of news!

00:54:26Dr. Cabrera

00:54:27As always, a pleasure.

00:54:29to you

00:54:29José Luis Cardero

00:54:31Until next time

00:54:31which will be very soon

00:54:32because these topics

00:54:33They're always there

00:54:34thank you

00:54:34a pleasure

00:54:34thank you so much

00:54:35Paco, as always.

00:54:35Excellent work, mate.

00:54:36thank you so much

00:54:37And now let's look at some pictures.

00:54:38More images from Cuarto Milenio

00:54:50It's curious.

00:54:51very close to this cemetery

00:54:53where it was obtained

00:54:54the image that we are now going to see

00:54:56It was found a long time ago

00:54:58a tap

00:55:00the Redoban tap

00:55:01a monstrous creature

00:55:02of Iberian art

00:55:03and that it was presumed

00:55:05which was a connection

00:55:06between the world of spirits

00:55:07and the world of the living

00:55:08for those people

00:55:09so many centuries ago

00:55:10Well, now

00:55:11somehow

00:55:11the unusual

00:55:12It continues to surround the place

00:55:14or at least

00:55:15That's what it seems to him

00:55:15to José Manuel Gracia Pinera

00:55:17excellent

00:55:18He got a big scare

00:55:19We'll find out why.

00:55:20He tells us that they were

00:55:22November 1st

00:55:23from 2008

00:55:24to the cemetery

00:55:25of this town

00:55:26from Alicante

00:55:27from Redoban

00:55:28with a technique

00:55:29that we are seeing

00:55:30which turned out perfectly

00:55:31since apparently

00:55:32They are an association

00:55:33of photographers

00:55:34because they wanted to be there

00:55:36as presences

00:55:37TRUE

00:55:37in this pantheon

00:55:38but

00:55:39suddenly

00:55:40They got

00:55:42a guest

00:55:44that was not

00:55:45with them

00:55:46Let's see

00:55:47Let's see if it can be expanded

00:55:49the area

00:55:49because we have to put

00:55:50a bit

00:55:51attention

00:55:52to this photograph

00:55:53if it's hard to see

00:55:54I'm going to move it

00:55:54a little bit upwards

00:55:55they identified

00:55:57to a young person

00:55:58a man

00:55:59wearing a blue sweater

00:56:01and that he had

00:56:02hands

00:56:02backward

00:56:04That's what they told us.

00:56:05they

00:56:06It does seem to have

00:56:06a face

00:56:07that was seen

00:56:08a blue mass

00:56:08with shoulders

00:56:09and was on the other side

00:56:11from the cemetery

00:56:11or is it a reflection

00:56:13apparently

00:56:14according to themselves

00:56:15they identify us

00:56:16it was right

00:56:17inside the pantheon

00:56:18where they

00:56:19They're out

00:56:20This would be

00:56:21inside

00:56:22Let's see

00:56:23some other

00:56:24image

00:56:25in which it is identified

00:56:26that character

00:56:28we would have it here

00:56:29It looks pretty good.

00:56:32And what do they tell us?

00:56:33the analyses

00:56:34Well, the analyses

00:56:35they tell us

00:56:35that it had to be

00:56:36some

00:56:37ornament

00:56:38that there had precisely

00:56:39look

00:56:40We have it marked there.

00:56:42and seeing it here

00:56:43And I'm going to expand on it.

00:56:44because look

00:56:45I just saw it

00:56:46It looks like an image

00:56:48and it looks like the image

00:56:49of a virgin

00:56:49if a religious image

00:56:51very clear

00:56:51truth is identified

00:56:52perfectly now

00:56:53The light has been focused there

00:56:54And now we see it perfectly.

00:56:55with the head

00:56:56which would

00:56:57the cloak

00:56:58or the tunic

00:56:59of the Virgin

00:57:00and it would be an ornament

00:57:01from within

00:57:02precisely

00:57:02of that pantheon

00:57:04It makes perfect sense

00:57:05that there are religious images

00:57:06inside

00:57:07that have some image

00:57:08similar

00:57:09with some mystery

00:57:10those drawings

00:57:11that they already know

00:57:12which we appreciate.

00:57:13lot

00:57:14and also

00:57:14we project them

00:57:15here

00:57:16There are two ways to contact us

00:57:17fourth millennium

00:57:18at4.com

00:57:19and the post office box

00:57:2018189

00:57:21with the postal code

00:57:23from Madrid

00:57:2428080

00:57:25We're leaving now

00:57:26to the subways

00:57:27of Edinburgh

00:57:28in Scotland

00:57:29Francisco Llago Galván

00:57:32Gee

00:57:33This gives a little

00:57:34of thing

00:57:35because

00:57:35They are two light fixtures

00:57:37but

00:57:37it gives the impression

00:57:39that it is a face

00:57:39the one who hides

00:57:40or the one who watches

00:57:41to our friends

00:57:42this photograph

00:57:43It has its intricacies

00:57:44here at first

00:57:46You can't see absolutely anything.

00:57:47through the darkness

00:57:48from the site

00:57:50TRUE

00:57:50we are

00:57:50watching the subways

00:57:52of Edinburgh

00:57:53besides

00:57:53They told us

00:57:54our friends

00:57:55television viewers

00:57:56that they did

00:57:58one of those routes

00:57:59by Edinburgh

00:57:59magical

00:58:00and they slipped in

00:58:01in these tunnels

00:58:02where there was

00:58:03true stories

00:58:04of apparitions

00:58:05and ghosts

00:58:06And what comes out?

00:58:08right behind

00:58:08of this lady

00:58:09that is

00:58:09in the foreground

00:58:10I'm going to expand it

00:58:11because barely

00:58:12it is sensed

00:58:13They are like

00:58:14two light fixtures

00:58:15that seem to be

00:58:16floating

00:58:17look

00:58:18like two little eyes

00:58:19as if it were

00:58:20a cat

00:58:21because of that color

00:58:22TRUE

00:58:22that yellowish color

00:58:23Sometimes cats

00:58:24They don't go out at night

00:58:25and are shown

00:58:26just like the one we have

00:58:27in the image

00:58:28but in this case

00:58:29It wasn't a cat

00:58:30and also

00:58:31Guillermo's analysis

00:58:32they tell us

00:58:32which is something

00:58:33stranger

00:58:34because

00:58:35if we apply

00:58:36various filters

00:58:37if we darken

00:58:39in parts

00:58:40the image

00:58:41and we clarify others

00:58:42we realize

00:58:43that there are

00:58:44those two luminaries

00:58:45but we don't see

00:58:46barely

00:58:47nor arms

00:58:48nor body

00:58:49nor the clothing

00:58:50with whom I had

00:58:51that be

00:58:52that image

00:58:52look

00:58:53You can see it there

00:58:54You can see it there

00:58:55but good

00:58:56we only have as our only

00:58:57the face

00:58:57initially

00:58:59we could think

00:59:00who was a person

00:59:00TRUE

00:59:00and maybe

00:59:02He was wearing glasses.

00:59:02That's why

00:59:03the glass is reflected

00:59:04But then

00:59:05we discovered

00:59:06that has no body

00:59:07and that does not have

00:59:08no clothing

00:59:09that makes it stand out

00:59:10of a person

00:59:11Was it an effect?

00:59:12of those tunnels

00:59:13in which there were

00:59:14those stories

00:59:15so strange

00:59:16or we find ourselves

00:59:17with a character

00:59:18that he did not have

00:59:19Why be there?

00:59:20and mysterious

00:59:21Of course

00:59:21that effect

00:59:22It was an effect

00:59:23tremendous

00:59:24very well done

00:59:25the thing about being scary

00:59:26We don't know how to solve this here.

00:59:29No

00:59:29We left that one

00:59:30in the drawer

00:59:31from the photographs

00:59:32that we have not been able to

00:59:33solve 100%

00:59:34He doesn't like it

00:59:34to Guillermo

00:59:34this of not resolving

00:59:35that eagerness there

00:59:36also tonight

00:59:37I don't know what happened

00:59:37that I have noticed

00:59:38their presence

00:59:39her ethereal presence

00:59:40very close by

00:59:41We talked about that one day.

00:59:42I wanted to talk to you

00:59:43of another enigma

00:59:44that looks like a movie

00:59:46suspense

00:59:46really

00:59:47we are being given

00:59:47the data

00:59:48almost with an account

00:59:49I don't know

00:59:51What would the great one think?

00:59:51Carl Sagan

00:59:52right now

00:59:53could express

00:59:55that feeling of excitement

00:59:56of uncertainty

00:59:58waiting

00:59:58What the hell is going on?

01:00:00on Mars

01:00:01You know it

01:00:01we have counted

01:00:02several times

01:00:03with Miguel Gilarte

01:00:04president of the

01:00:06Astronomical Society

01:00:06Spanish

01:00:07what was being learned

01:00:09but Mars

01:00:10It radiates to us

01:00:11Mars draws us in

01:00:12with something

01:00:13as happened

01:00:14in the ancient world

01:00:15that colorful planet

01:00:16of the blood

01:00:16that god of war

01:00:17always present

01:00:19in the big moments

01:00:20of humanity

01:00:20but

01:00:21It gives the impression

01:00:23that lately

01:00:23in drops

01:00:24Things are coming out

01:00:25big questions

01:00:26Is anything else known?

01:00:28suddenly

01:00:29methane

01:00:30gases that may indicate life

01:00:31pure water

01:00:33in the polar region

01:00:34of this incredible

01:00:36red planet

01:00:37and many people

01:00:38the question arises

01:00:38If anything else is known

01:00:39And why isn't it distributed?

01:00:40the information

01:00:41Why does everything seem

01:00:42perfectly programmed

01:00:44Of course

01:00:45many of us think

01:00:46that man

01:00:46it just can't be

01:00:47single seed

01:00:48of that enigma

01:00:49which is the universe

01:00:49expanding

01:00:50that we cannot be

01:00:51the center of the universe

01:00:52although obviously

01:00:53our species

01:00:54It's so strange

01:00:54that we believe that

01:00:55owners of everything

01:00:56of reality

01:00:57probably other beings

01:00:59They are also

01:00:59watching us

01:01:00in those other worlds

01:01:02very far away

01:01:03but

01:01:04I'll ask one last question

01:01:05before the last

01:01:06findings on Mars

01:01:07newly released

01:01:08and it is

01:01:09if suddenly

01:01:10in that water

01:01:11if within those gases

01:01:12if somewhere

01:01:13of those rocks

01:01:13remote

01:01:14suddenly

01:01:15Something appears

01:01:16which can be

01:01:16a small organism

01:01:17a bacterium

01:01:18something that changes

01:01:20and that proves

01:01:20that there is life there

01:01:21They'll tell us.

01:01:22immediately

01:01:23And that's the answer

01:01:25in seven days

01:01:26See you here

01:01:27in our ship

01:01:28his mystery ship

01:01:30in our ship

01:01:57See you on our ship

01:02:07Thank you!

01:02:36Thank you!

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