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00:00:39Room 712

00:00:41We have spent four long nights there

00:00:46It is a national inn

00:00:49The directors, the employees

00:00:51And many visitors claim that things happen.

00:00:55That cannot be explained

00:00:58We went, we recorded, we were on alert with a single purpose

00:01:03Tell him

00:01:04And let me tell you something, there have been surprises.

00:01:08Good evening and welcome to the mystery ship

00:01:11To my surprise, another one, I might even say much more serious.

00:01:16Crucial for our history

00:01:18It also has to do with a room

00:01:20He became a legend

00:01:22Room 510 of the Hotel Corona de Aragón

00:01:24But unfortunately, we're not talking about ghosts.

00:01:27Although there is indeed the shadow of a grand conspiracy

00:01:29Let me explain

00:01:30You will remember it

00:01:321979

00:01:33Right in the heart of Zaragoza

00:01:3578 dead

00:01:36113 seriously injured

00:01:38For all of them

00:01:39For those injured and the families who lost their loved ones

00:01:42Our thoughts and our embrace

00:01:44But something incredible has happened

00:01:46Right now

00:01:47And there is still silence about all of this.

00:01:49As it once was

00:01:50My obligation to tell it

00:01:52Bring in images and specialists here

00:01:54I repeat, almost 80 dead

00:01:55To this day, accident

00:01:57Fire in the lower and upper parts of the hotel

00:02:00People jumping out of windows

00:02:02Today we know

00:02:03Tonight we know something more

00:02:06Napalm

00:02:06Magnesium

00:02:07trained people

00:02:08Who were they?

00:02:09To fully immerse oneself in this dramatic story

00:02:11Nothing better than this sound

00:02:13Correspondent for the Seren Zaragoza network

00:02:15Opposite the hotel

00:02:171979

00:02:23At this time we do not know the number of places that would be occupied.

00:02:26But it's to be expected

00:02:28That at this time of year

00:02:30In summertime

00:02:32It would be practically at 80-90% of its capacity

00:02:39People not

00:02:40No

00:02:42It's over, it's just fallen

00:02:44A lady just fell

00:02:45From the balcony

00:02:47From a fifth floor

00:02:49It has been launched

00:02:50In a nightgown

00:02:52He has truly taken a leap of faith.

00:02:55It has been seen

00:02:58Clearly as

00:02:59At this moment

00:03:01The firefighters take her away

00:03:03We assume with enormous trauma

00:03:23I have in my hands

00:03:24A document sent to us by journalist Ramón J. Campo

00:03:27From the Heraldo de Aragón

00:03:28This investigation has brought this to the forefront.

00:03:30I find it truly chilling.

00:03:33They are looking at the documents

00:03:34Judgment

00:03:35Supreme Court

00:03:36Administrative litigation room

00:03:37Section Six

00:03:38And in the fourth fragment

00:03:40Says

00:03:41This fire

00:03:42From the Crown of Aragon

00:03:43I repeat

00:03:4478 victims

00:03:45It could not have been caused by a single, isolated person.

00:03:48Not even by chance

00:03:51Necessarily

00:03:52Leo

00:03:52At least three people had to intervene

00:03:55Properly arranged with each other

00:03:59And this is so because

00:04:00That three ignitions occurred

00:04:02Virtually simultaneous

00:04:04Next to the piano

00:04:05Next to the flue

00:04:06And next to the churro stand exit

00:04:08This organized group

00:04:10It was necessary to have knowledge

00:04:12Highly specialized

00:04:14And with the right materials

00:04:15That has been mentioned in this opinion

00:04:18This group necessarily had the destraining

00:04:21To move through the flames

00:04:22Where to place the ignitions

00:04:23And how to get in and out of the hotel

00:04:26Without injuring themselves

00:04:28Continuous

00:04:29Because this is real

00:04:30I think it's shocking.

00:04:32And there is still a great silence today

00:04:33Says

00:04:34Minimum of three people

00:04:36Use of Napalm

00:04:39United magnesium

00:04:40For the production or intensification of the fire

00:04:43Something that I think is incredible

00:04:45An event

00:04:46We said it at the beginning

00:04:47Which marked the end of the Spanish transition

00:04:50It has always been referred to as an accident or an attack.

00:04:52And we have the best guests

00:04:54To try to shed some light

00:04:56Fernando San Agustín

00:04:58Our intelligence services specialist

00:05:02Also a member of the army

00:05:03Commander

00:05:04In short, a great connoisseur

00:05:05That usually sheds light

00:05:06But in this case, really

00:05:07It seems like the smoke is obscuring everything.

00:05:09Fernando, good evening

00:05:10Good night

00:05:11Thank you for being here

00:05:12And the other Fernando

00:05:13Fernando Rueda

00:05:15Journalist without a doubt

00:05:16What else do you know about intelligence services?

00:05:18And from the bottom

00:05:19The hidden plots

00:05:21Sometimes there are so many

00:05:22TRUE?

00:05:22We have that feeling.

00:05:23Fernando Rueda, colleague

00:05:24Good night

00:05:25Good night

00:05:26Opinions

00:05:27First round of opinions

00:05:29In the event

00:05:30We repeat

00:05:30That for a long time

00:05:33It was described as an accident.

00:05:35Officially it was an accident

00:05:37A fire

00:05:37Spread through the carpet

00:05:39Due to certain conditions

00:05:40And with misfortune

00:05:41Many dead

00:05:43Many of them were military personnel

00:05:44But from the very first moment

00:05:46Fernando

00:05:46The feeling that there was something more

00:05:48That it couldn't be done

00:05:49Or they didn't want to tell.

00:05:51Well, it couldn't be done

00:05:52And he didn't want to talk about it.

00:05:54We need to put ourselves in the situation

00:05:56In that hotel

00:05:57There were a number of military personnel

00:06:00Important

00:06:00But above all

00:06:01Franco's widow was there

00:06:03So

00:06:04At first glance

00:06:05Everyone ruled it out

00:06:06Like everyone else

00:06:07I had to rule it out

00:06:08That there could have been

00:06:09Explosives

00:06:10Because it's true

00:06:11That the lady

00:06:12From Meirás

00:06:13He wasn't wearing protection.

00:06:15So intense

00:06:16That her late husband was wearing

00:06:17But he was wearing protection.

00:06:19And there

00:06:20An explosive couldn't be inserted

00:06:21Okay?

00:06:22Therefore

00:06:23No explosives

00:06:24But that

00:06:24They knew it

00:06:25The good ones

00:06:26But the bad ones too.

00:06:27Hey?

00:06:28Then there were many

00:06:29Then people say

00:06:30It was not claimed

00:06:31Okay, he didn't redeem himself.

00:06:32And we can explain

00:06:33Why was he not vindicated?

00:06:34But

00:06:35I've always bet

00:06:37If they had killed each other

00:06:39Fortunately, that wasn't the case.

00:06:40To the lady of Meirás

00:06:41To all your family

00:06:42ETA would have claimed responsibility

00:06:43ETA would have claimed responsibility

00:06:45It's true

00:06:46That there is a claim

00:06:47It's by phone.

00:06:48From a female voice

00:06:49What does it say?

00:06:50I don't know

00:06:50But don't believe it

00:06:51Because

00:06:52He claims it was from ETA.

00:06:54And then he claims it.

00:06:55Like the flap

00:06:55The flap

00:06:55It had been a few years already

00:06:57That was

00:06:58Practically

00:06:59Finish

00:07:00So no

00:07:00It didn't make much sense.

00:07:02But

00:07:03I think that

00:07:04There was something else

00:07:05That

00:07:06We will always stay

00:07:07With doubt

00:07:08About what

00:07:09What we assert

00:07:10What we say

00:07:11That is true

00:07:12Let it be real

00:07:13Because you test

00:07:14We cannot contribute

00:07:15There are experiences

00:07:16Of the deaths

00:07:17Which causes

00:07:18A fire

00:07:19In a hospital

00:07:20In a hotel

00:07:21In a party room

00:07:22And so on.

00:07:22You light the fire

00:07:24At all exits

00:07:25And you set it on fire

00:07:26At the entrances

00:07:28And that's it.

00:07:29People are there

00:07:30Practically

00:07:32Therefore

00:07:33We met

00:07:33In a situation

00:07:34I'm not going

00:07:35To disprove reason

00:07:36To the firefighters

00:07:37And also

00:07:38Firefighters

00:07:39And through action

00:07:39From Zaragoza

00:07:40They worked

00:07:40With an effort

00:07:42And heroism

00:07:43Worthy of all praise

00:08:13But

00:08:15It has never been

00:08:15It wasn't officially

00:08:16Claimed

00:08:17People

00:08:18I didn't know

00:08:18If it was an attack

00:08:19Whose could it be?

00:08:20And they're going to see it

00:08:21The opinions still

00:08:22They diverge in that respect

00:08:24Around 8:20 in the morning

00:08:25From the cafe

00:08:26That is underneath

00:08:27From the main hotel

00:08:29In the time of Zaragoza

00:08:30The Corona de Aragón hotel

00:08:31Flames appear

00:08:32But according to the ruling

00:08:34It appears there are three points of fire.

00:08:36And three people

00:08:38Perfectly trained

00:08:38And what surprises us

00:08:40And now I will ask you

00:08:41Fernando

00:08:41And now we will enter into debate

00:08:42It's Napalm

00:08:43Clear

00:08:43We all stayed

00:08:44Napalm sounds familiar

00:08:45To the Vietnam War

00:08:46What does Napalm look like?

00:08:47On the walls

00:08:48Or in certain places

00:08:49From a hotel in Zaragoza

00:08:50Above all

00:08:51Because we know it now

00:08:52And not in 1979

00:08:54Fernando Rueda

00:08:55I think that

00:08:55That he has a different opinion

00:08:57I would like

00:08:57And I'm sure you do too.

00:08:58Listen to it

00:08:59And then Carlos

00:09:00He's going to give some information

00:09:00That already

00:09:01In the end

00:09:02Put this in a movie

00:09:03Unfortunately, it's terrifying.

00:09:04Because our first

00:09:05I have to remember.

00:09:06Obviously

00:09:07For families

00:09:08They lost their lives there.

00:09:09Your opinion

00:09:09Fernando

00:09:11Well

00:09:11I disagree

00:09:13Completely

00:09:14With Fernando

00:09:16Whose opinion

00:09:17I think it has

00:09:17Plenty to see

00:09:18With what

00:09:18Being a soldier

00:09:20And that hotel

00:09:22It was a hotel

00:09:23In quotation marks

00:09:24Military

00:09:24That day

00:09:25We must remember

00:09:26That it was going to be celebrated

00:09:28I think it was the shot

00:09:29From offices

00:09:30Of

00:09:30From one

00:09:33Promotion

00:09:33Among which

00:09:34Was

00:09:35Cristóbal Martínez

00:09:36Bordeaux

00:09:37Then he left

00:09:38From the army

00:09:39Which was

00:09:39The grandson

00:09:41Franco

00:09:41There it was

00:09:42The whole family

00:09:43Not just Grandma

00:09:44And it's very important

00:09:45Knowing that I was

00:09:46Her daughter

00:09:47His son-in-law

00:09:48It seems he had to leave

00:09:49In his underwear

00:09:50And some of his children

00:09:54That year

00:09:55January 1st

00:09:57He had entered

00:09:58The constitution

00:09:59In force

00:10:00Which had settled

00:10:02Fatal

00:10:02To the far right

00:10:03That at that moment

00:10:04It was very strong

00:10:06And very powerful

00:10:06A few days later

00:10:08They were killing the general

00:10:09Hortín

00:10:10That general

00:10:12He was much loved

00:10:14And for the first time

00:10:15He was seen on the streets

00:10:16From Madrid

00:10:16As a discipline

00:10:19Military

00:10:19It didn't work

00:10:20Rather, it was produced

00:10:21A confrontation

00:10:22Abuse

00:10:23And even attempts

00:10:24Of attack

00:10:25Against the vice president

00:10:26From the government

00:10:26Manuel Gutiérrez

00:10:27Jagged

00:10:28There was again

00:10:29New attacks

00:10:31Also against

00:10:32A lieutenant general

00:10:33Six months later

00:10:34The GRAPO killed

00:10:35To a judge

00:10:36That is to say

00:10:36There was a broth

00:10:37From cultivation

00:10:37Total tension

00:10:38Of

00:10:40This needs to change

00:10:42Besides

00:10:42Memory

00:10:43How few days!

00:10:44Before this attack

00:10:46They met

00:10:47At the Moncloa Palace

00:10:48To treat

00:10:48The Basque Statute

00:10:49That was the last straw.

00:10:50At that moment

00:10:511939

00:10:52What's going on?

00:10:54Here

00:10:55It's clear.

00:10:56They tried to cover it up

00:10:56I'm not going in anymore.

00:10:57We can talk later.

00:10:58But what is true

00:10:59It is very important

00:10:59It's because it's someone

00:11:00Organized

00:11:01The one who leads it

00:11:03ETA

00:11:05Always

00:11:06Always

00:11:07He claims

00:11:08One and all

00:11:09From his attacks

00:11:11It's true

00:11:11That can

00:11:12Death

00:11:13Under strange circumstances

00:11:15From some leader

00:11:15From ETA

00:11:15They haven't claimed it.

00:11:17But that everyone

00:11:18His attacks

00:11:18They claim it

00:11:19When 11M

00:11:20ETA said

00:11:21It wasn't us.

00:11:22It wasn't them.

00:11:23Here ETA

00:11:24He did not claim it

00:11:25However

00:11:25There was someone

00:11:26Who called the Herald

00:11:27From Aragon

00:11:27To say it was ETA

00:11:28Because I wanted to

00:11:29That one might think

00:11:30What was ETA?

00:11:31Those who had committed it

00:11:32The attack

00:11:33Whom

00:11:34It could benefit

00:11:35That they died

00:11:36All

00:11:38Those soldiers?

00:11:39It benefited

00:11:40I'm talking about the far right.

00:11:41Thinking

00:11:42In groups

00:11:43No?

00:11:43In a

00:11:44Someone from the far right

00:11:46It benefited them

00:11:47Because that's what they intended

00:11:49It was that the army

00:11:50He would get up

00:11:51And that it would give

00:11:51A blow

00:11:52State

00:11:53Who has the capacity?

00:11:55Training

00:11:56Access to Napal

00:11:57And to all these

00:11:58In order to place

00:11:59So perfectly

00:12:01And make it burn

00:12:03The hotel?

00:12:05People

00:12:05Very well prepared

00:12:06I don't dare to say

00:12:10Paramilitaries

00:12:11People

00:12:11With some training

00:12:12Able

00:12:13Of

00:12:14Organize it

00:12:15AND

00:12:16That's why I say

00:12:18When I talk about the far right

00:12:19I'm talking about those

00:12:19That at that moment

00:12:20They intended

00:12:22To create involution

00:12:23And then

00:12:24What happened?

00:12:25They covered it up.

00:12:26Why did they cover it up?

00:12:27Because knowing

00:12:28That ETA had not claimed responsibility

00:12:29I believe they knew

00:12:31That it wasn't ETA

00:12:32The one who had committed it

00:12:33Nor any group

00:12:34Not even the GRAPO

00:12:34Nothing.

00:12:35They weren't interested

00:12:37Because they had no proof

00:12:38Because they couldn't prove it

00:12:39So they preferred

00:12:41To cast a blanket

00:12:42Absolute silence

00:12:43Which continues

00:12:49The Herald of Aragon

00:12:51It has served

00:12:52Since the year 2000

00:12:54Voice

00:12:55And from the mouth

00:12:56To the victims

00:12:57Never

00:12:58They have been

00:12:59Helped

00:13:00For no one

00:13:01And it has been a way

00:13:02About what

00:13:03A media outlet

00:13:05In the end

00:13:06Help

00:13:07So that the truth may be known

00:13:08That's ours

00:13:09Our role

00:13:10And so

00:13:11We've been doing it.

00:13:13Particularly

00:13:14In my case

00:13:14Since the year 2000

00:13:16My colleagues

00:13:17That in the year 79

00:13:19They reported this story

00:13:20Alfonso Zapater

00:13:22He even told me

00:13:23That the civil governor

00:13:24From that time

00:13:25They were forbidden

00:13:27Explicitly

00:13:28Let it be said

00:13:28It was an attack

00:13:29That's what we

00:13:31We've broken up

00:13:32We've broken up

00:13:32The silence

00:13:33From the transition

00:13:34The secret

00:13:35From the transition

00:13:42All the experts

00:13:44Those I have consulted

00:13:45That could have been

00:13:47ETA

00:13:48All of them

00:13:49They have arrived

00:13:50In conclusion

00:13:51What if ETA

00:13:52I would have done it

00:13:53He would have recognized him.

00:13:54I got to interview

00:13:55Back then

00:13:56To General Armada

00:13:58Which later

00:13:59The white elephant

00:14:00On February 23rd

00:14:00Himself

00:14:02So then

00:14:02It was destined

00:14:03At headquarters

00:14:04From the army

00:14:05And he came to Zaragoza

00:14:06To pick up

00:14:06To the military

00:14:08That they had been

00:14:08Those affected

00:14:10In that attack

00:14:11He told me

00:14:12Textually

00:14:13That when he arrived

00:14:14To the hotel

00:14:15They told him

00:14:16What had they done?

00:14:17They had used

00:14:18A trail

00:14:19Explosive

00:14:20On the carpets

00:14:22From the corona

00:14:24Himself

00:14:24The general

00:14:25Alfonso Armada

00:14:26He

00:14:27Was

00:14:28On the way

00:14:29From February 23rd

00:14:30A year and a half later

00:14:32The testimonies

00:14:33That we have recognized

00:14:34We have collected

00:14:35On one side

00:14:36And from another

00:14:37They take us

00:14:38To an investigation

00:14:39Stormy

00:14:40In Zaragoza

00:14:42There was a factory

00:14:43Napalm

00:14:44I'm just saying more

00:14:49Let's ask

00:14:51And we opened immediately

00:14:52The debate

00:14:52Because of napalm

00:14:54So that we know

00:14:55What is

00:14:55What does it consist of?

00:14:56We are seeing images

00:14:58A question

00:14:59One question is

00:14:59As

00:15:00In a fire

00:15:01At three different points

00:15:02Such a large building

00:15:03They die in the end

00:15:0480 people

00:15:04I don't know

00:15:06And of course

00:15:07It had been a while.

00:15:08That the college of chemists

00:15:10In Zaragoza

00:15:11He claimed

00:15:12That these flames

00:15:13What are they watching?

00:15:13They were stirred up by something

00:15:14It wasn't a normal fire.

00:15:17It's more

00:15:17In the year 1982

00:15:19The case is dismissed

00:15:21And it will be like an accident.

00:15:22And let no one speak anymore.

00:15:23And nothing more has been said.

00:15:24Only a few small groups

00:15:26They have continued to insist

00:15:27Among them

00:15:27Some victims

00:15:28What they have achieved now

00:15:29That the Supreme Court

00:15:30No more, no less

00:15:31Say it was an attack

00:15:32What many suspected

00:15:33We don't know

00:15:34What was

00:15:34But

00:15:35There's some incredible data.

00:15:37Finally

00:15:38This mosaic

00:15:39What is the apparition?

00:15:40According to Carmen, the source is Carmen.

00:15:41Because

00:15:41Of some bodies

00:15:43Or an unidentified body

00:15:44And some documents

00:15:46That's a post

00:15:47Public safety

00:15:48And civil protection

00:15:49It's called Beltiberica

00:15:50It has a website

00:15:51On the internet and everywhere

00:15:52And it's available.

00:15:53Title of Hotel Corona de Aragón

00:15:55Attempt

00:15:55Accident

00:15:56And in it he reflects

00:15:57A news item

00:15:58That we have not been able to verify

00:16:00Nowhere else

00:16:01Because

00:16:02And I read literally

00:16:04He tells us

00:16:04There are no perfect crimes

00:16:06But poorly researched

00:16:07There was a dead body

00:16:08That he was never identified

00:16:09When the count was done

00:16:11Between the living and the dead

00:16:12Three were missing

00:16:13Curiously

00:16:14The three

00:16:14They had an ID card

00:16:16Counterfeit

00:16:17There are three people

00:16:18That identify us

00:16:19And it turns out

00:16:20That their ID cards

00:16:21They were not the corresponding ones

00:16:23This may be information

00:16:24Let's say

00:16:25Spurious

00:16:25Not real

00:16:26What do you think, Fernando?

00:16:27It can be authentic

00:16:30And what would that indicate?

00:16:33Well, there were three people

00:16:34They had the racial document

00:16:39Get wet

00:16:41And say it

00:16:42Well

00:16:42Let's see

00:16:44I wanted to talk

00:16:45About your own stuff

00:16:47Let's see

00:16:48Really

00:16:50ETA

00:16:50There was no

00:16:51There are things he hasn't claimed.

00:16:53When he's put his foot in it

00:16:54Up to the neck

00:16:56One thing

00:16:57Second

00:16:58In that year

00:16:59The far-right groups

00:17:02Civil groups

00:17:03Far-right

00:17:04They were under close control

00:17:06Through intelligence services

00:17:07I mean

00:17:08Practically

00:17:09They didn't move

00:17:11Nothing

00:17:111979?

00:17:12Yeah

00:17:12No Fernando

00:17:13Yes, yes

00:17:13Super controlled

00:17:15What was happening?

00:17:16Which naturally

00:17:17What you can't hide

00:17:18It's the bottle

00:17:18Hey?

00:17:19You can't cap the bottle

00:17:20You have to stop

00:17:21Let them do things

00:17:22But

00:17:23They were very closely controlled

00:17:25Napalm and magnesium

00:17:27For those of us who don't know

00:17:28Fernando

00:17:28It catches our attention so much

00:17:29In a hotel in Zaragoza

00:17:31Napalm

00:17:31What is it?

00:17:32It's because of Napalm

00:17:32If it sounds like

00:17:34As army weaponry

00:17:36It's the latest generation

00:17:38But Napalm

00:17:39We could say

00:17:40We can do it ourselves

00:17:42We can do it

00:17:43Napalm is nothing but

00:17:44A semi-solid gasoline

00:17:46Because it is semi-solid

00:17:48Is

00:17:49Everyone knows

00:17:50What is

00:17:51Those little pills

00:17:52For the people

00:17:53He doesn't know how to light a fire

00:17:54In the chimneys

00:17:54Okay?

00:17:55Well

00:17:56Let's imagine that

00:17:57It's not exactly napalm.

00:17:59It's a pyrogel

00:18:00Let's suppose this

00:18:01It

00:18:02It

00:18:03We grind it.

00:18:05We transformed it into powder

00:18:06We dyed it

00:18:07In green

00:18:08Or red

00:18:09Or in black

00:18:09Or what can be done

00:18:10And we planted it

00:18:11And we planted it

00:18:12Over there

00:18:13We have had a source

00:18:14Brutal ignition

00:18:15Very hot

00:18:16Very hot

00:18:18That fire also

00:18:19If we see the flames

00:18:22These flames

00:18:23From time to time

00:18:23He came out earlier

00:18:24A perfect reflection

00:18:25The flames

00:18:26I don't want to say

00:18:27May they always have

00:18:28The same way

00:18:28But in general

00:18:29They usually have

00:18:30The same intensity

00:18:31In general

00:18:32Until they catch

00:18:34An element

00:18:36Look

00:18:36There's another fault there.

00:18:37There is another fault

00:18:38Terrible

00:18:39The one with the helicopter

00:18:40Because they took out

00:18:41A helicopter

00:18:42Take it out

00:18:43From the terraces

00:18:44But each time

00:18:45What was happening?

00:18:46Above

00:18:46Past

00:18:47It was stirring

00:18:48This

00:18:49It was stirring

00:18:51The fire

00:18:52The fire

00:18:53That was a mistake.

00:18:54Everyone

00:18:55He learned a lot

00:18:56From that hotel

00:18:56Everyone

00:18:57He learned a lot

00:18:58It's curious.

00:18:59Fernando

00:18:59Many people have said

00:19:00That Napalm

00:19:01It has not returned

00:19:02Practically ready to use

00:19:03In attacks

00:19:04That we have knowledge

00:19:05And that's what it does.

00:19:06Especially strange

00:19:07In the case

00:19:08From the Crown of Aragon

00:19:08Clear

00:19:09Because I

00:19:11The truth is that

00:19:11I'm surprised

00:19:13That ETA

00:19:14I can decide

00:19:18To attack

00:19:19The Crown of Aragon

00:19:20When precisely

00:19:21It had to be

00:19:21That

00:19:22A fort

00:19:22In which

00:19:23It had to be

00:19:24Quite complicated

00:19:24Go in and out

00:19:25If I could enter

00:19:27People

00:19:28That it had

00:19:28Certain

00:19:29Sympathies

00:19:30Or certain facilities

00:19:31To move

00:19:32Inside

00:19:32From the hotel

00:19:34However

00:19:35That

00:19:36It would have required

00:19:38At least

00:19:39A member of ETA

00:19:40Moving

00:19:41Inside

00:19:41A member of ETA

00:19:43Placing it

00:19:44And then

00:19:45The problem is

00:19:46If that

00:19:47It would have happened

00:19:48I do believe it

00:19:49That there would have been

00:19:49Clues

00:19:50To know

00:19:51Who was it that

00:19:52He had done it

00:19:53I don't know

00:19:53If it's ETA

00:19:54If it's not ETA

00:19:56But the truth is

00:19:57It's at 7:30.

00:19:58A.m

00:19:58There are 40 people

00:19:59That abandon

00:20:00The hotel

00:20:01I could be there

00:20:02People

00:20:03That they had

00:20:04Clear

00:20:05Because

00:20:05But people

00:20:06They abandon

00:20:07Because they're going to take up space

00:20:09No, no, no

00:20:10There are 40 people

00:20:11They leave the hotel

00:20:12They leave the hotel

00:20:13That go directly

00:20:14To catch a plane

00:20:15They have liquidated

00:20:16They paid the entrance fee

00:20:17No, there wasn't.

00:20:18Bad

00:20:19Or the good

00:20:19Or whatever

00:20:20There simply wasn't one.

00:20:21Practically a control

00:20:22Hotel access

00:20:23There was no

00:20:24But those 40

00:20:25They would have first and last names

00:20:26Yes, yes

00:20:26Clear

00:20:27But

00:20:27We are seeing

00:20:28That there are fake ID cards

00:20:30We are seeing

00:20:31That there are fake ID cards

00:20:32But what Fernando

00:20:33He didn't want to say

00:20:33It's because of those fake ID cards

00:20:35At that moment

00:20:36They could be anyone's.

00:20:37I am sure

00:20:37Que Tano

00:20:38At that moment

00:20:39They had fake ID cards

00:20:40Intelligence services

00:20:42And little else

00:20:43This reminds us

00:20:44In a much more dramatic way

00:20:45Do you remember the Windsor?

00:20:46And from the shadows of Windsor

00:20:48And that in the end

00:20:49Nobody knew who they were

00:20:50Clear

00:20:50When one reads the sentence

00:20:5130 years later

00:20:52And it is found

00:20:52At least

00:20:53With what they say

00:20:54Of people

00:20:55With a great concept

00:20:57Specialization

00:20:58Perhaps suits

00:20:59Or elements

00:20:59For

00:21:00Says

00:21:00Dodging the flames

00:21:01To escape the flames

00:21:03Because of course

00:21:03How do you turn that on?

00:21:04With napalm

00:21:05How do I activate it?

00:21:06For example

00:21:06On the top floor

00:21:07And one gets out of there

00:21:09On the other hand

00:21:10Why the fire

00:21:11Did it reach that level of violence?

00:21:13And so many people

00:21:14He could not be saved

00:21:15Which seems strange to us

00:21:17The first thing that happens

00:21:18It is silence

00:21:18Immediately

00:21:19Carmen

00:21:19There are impressive documents.

00:21:20Like all the press

00:21:22En bloc

00:21:22He says it hasn't been possible

00:21:23The attack

00:21:24And that only

00:21:25Some people

00:21:26From the college of chemists

00:21:27If I'm not mistaken

00:21:27They say

00:21:28Careful

00:21:28That in this fire

00:21:29There's something very strange about it

00:21:30That seemed revived

00:21:31Yes, there were other elements

00:21:32It seemed to be alive

00:21:33For a reason

00:21:34And also

00:21:34It's not just being published now

00:21:36That there was napalm

00:21:37In 1994

00:21:38The Herald of Aragon

00:21:39In the July 10th edition

00:21:41It already publishes a news story

00:21:43In which it is said

00:21:43That Don Luis León

00:21:44Industrial Engineer

00:21:45From ICAI

00:21:46And fire officer

00:21:47From the Community of Madrid

00:21:48It assures

00:21:49That based on the studies

00:21:50Done

00:21:51After the accident

00:21:52That the fire

00:21:53It spread

00:21:53Quickly

00:21:54Due to strategic placement

00:21:56Of three artifacts

00:21:57Napalm

00:21:58Combustion accelerators

00:21:59Put in parentheses

00:22:01Possibly located

00:22:02Under a sofa

00:22:03A piano

00:22:03And a flue

00:22:05We're talking

00:22:05From the year 1994

00:22:06When this is published

00:22:08And when they already give

00:22:09Of course

00:22:10That it is an attack

00:22:11In which there is

00:22:12Three explosives

00:22:13Of course, the firefighters

00:22:14They say

00:22:15The focus

00:22:16Behind the sofa

00:22:18It comes from the kitchen

00:22:20Because behind

00:22:20The scenes unfold

00:22:21The focus

00:22:23Everything has an explanation.

00:22:25Side

00:22:25In other words, an explanation.

00:22:26Reasonable

00:22:27That leaves you satisfied

00:22:28But it's true

00:22:29That it is not enough

00:22:30It's true that it's not

00:22:32In three minutes

00:22:33In four minutes

00:22:34There cannot be

00:22:35All of this

00:22:36Burning

00:22:37Because also

00:22:37When you see

00:22:39The statements

00:22:39Of those who did

00:22:40They said

00:22:41I opened the door

00:22:42And I found myself

00:22:43The sixth floor

00:22:44Flames

00:22:44Like hell

00:22:46You find llamas

00:22:47On the fifth floor

00:22:48In three minutes

00:22:49Besides the firefighters

00:22:51They are scarce

00:22:52300 meters from the hotel

00:22:53Therefore

00:22:54They arrived immediately

00:22:55I've seen it there

00:22:56A photograph

00:22:57I saw a photograph

00:22:58Which demonstrates

00:22:59The vocation to save

00:23:01But the rudimentary

00:23:03This is a photo

00:23:04From the third world

00:23:05In which you can see

00:23:06The stairs

00:23:06Piled up

00:23:07To each other

00:23:08This is a publication

00:23:09From the firefighters

00:23:10And these stairs

00:23:12They do not belong

00:23:12Not even the firefighters

00:23:13These stairs

00:23:14Electricians

00:23:15They belong to some electricians.

00:23:16Exact

00:23:16Tied up there

00:23:17Which is truly shameful

00:23:19Why are so many people dying?

00:23:20Fernando

00:23:20Speaking on a technical level

00:23:21Let's say

00:23:22It's not a scandal

00:23:23So many people are dying

00:23:24In such a large hotel

00:23:24One of the things

00:23:25What he has to learn

00:23:26Firstly

00:23:28When there is one thing

00:23:28It has to be declared

00:23:30Absolute silence

00:23:31I mean

00:23:32Around

00:23:33In the

00:23:34In the

00:23:35In the phonic area

00:23:36What is it called

00:23:36There can be no noise.

00:23:38He

00:23:38The fire is already making quite a lot of noise.

00:23:40Second

00:23:41You have to learn.

00:23:42There has to be

00:23:44Large megaphones

00:23:45Tranquilizers

00:23:46I mean

00:23:47So

00:23:47The place was filled with volunteers

00:23:50From thousands of volunteers

00:23:51Everyone wanted to save

00:23:52And make human towers

00:23:53To save him

00:23:54Put your hands like this and so

00:23:56The situation was dramatic.

00:23:58The firefighters

00:23:59They fought valiantly

00:24:00For

00:24:00The firefighters decided

00:24:02Start saving here

00:24:03AND

00:24:03They saved many people

00:24:05Via the fire escape

00:24:06Nobody used

00:24:07Because that's why

00:24:07You opened the room

00:24:09You saw smoke and fire

00:24:10And you weren't going to look for the door anymore.

00:24:12Because I didn't know either.

00:24:13Most of us

00:24:14We don't know

00:24:14A hotel

00:24:15Well, now we know

00:24:16Where are the doors?

00:24:17Emergency

00:24:18And that's what the plan shows you.

00:24:19But people say

00:24:20I need to look at the plan.

00:24:22So or so

00:24:23So

00:24:24So many people died

00:24:25First, because of the panic.

00:24:26Terrible

00:24:27Nobody told them

00:24:28If you can hold out

00:24:29In five minutes

00:24:30We are

00:24:31Okay?

00:24:32That's what they had

00:24:33What to have done

00:24:33Or what

00:24:35Or what we learned

00:24:36That had to be done

00:24:36Okay?

00:24:37If you can hold out

00:24:38Put up with

00:24:39Put on I don't know what

00:24:40It is true that

00:24:40All those who endured

00:24:42They were saved

00:24:43That's also true

00:24:44That died

00:24:45A number of people

00:24:48Awesome

00:24:48Due to the gases

00:24:50Because he didn't realize

00:24:52As if he had died

00:24:52But it's not counted.

00:24:55In the

00:24:56I

00:24:56In everything I've read

00:24:57Nobody counts

00:24:58We found dead bodies

00:24:59In bed

00:24:5922

00:25:0045

00:25:01That would be important

00:25:02But if there had been

00:25:03Security measures

00:25:05Chords now

00:25:06For example

00:25:06This year

00:25:07You think

00:25:08That there would not have been

00:25:09So many dead?

00:25:10No

00:25:11Or really

00:25:11That

00:25:13Was there a goal?

00:25:15There was

00:25:16Terrorist

00:25:17Well planned

00:25:18Excellent

00:25:19The difference

00:25:19What are we talking about?

00:25:20It's that they could

00:25:20Having saved

00:25:21Some

00:25:21Or not

00:25:24No no

00:25:25With the measures

00:25:26Back then there was no

00:25:26Security measures

00:25:27Mandatory as now

00:25:28But with the measures

00:25:30Security now

00:25:30There would have been no

00:25:32So many dead

00:25:33At all

00:25:34As Fernando says

00:25:34That as a result of this

00:25:35Such a dramatic event

00:25:36Lot

00:25:37The measures are being implemented

00:25:38Security

00:25:38Firefighting

00:25:39In hotels

00:25:39But one more thing

00:25:40One important thing

00:25:41And it is

00:25:42The next day

00:25:43With an event

00:25:44So striking

00:25:45For a city

00:25:46Like Zaragoza

00:25:47And for all of Spain

00:25:47At that moment

00:25:48Silence

00:25:49Absolute

00:25:50And sepulchral

00:25:51Thirty years later

00:25:52We know that silence

00:25:53Speaking of accidents

00:25:54It wasn't the truth

00:25:55Fernando

00:25:55You don't get the feeling

00:25:57Of

00:25:58If this

00:25:59It wasn't exactly the truth.

00:26:00Despite the press

00:26:01He said that he was

00:26:03Well

00:26:03Just a simple accident

00:26:04Unfortunate

00:26:05How many things

00:26:06From that era of Spain

00:26:08They remain a secret

00:26:09And we don't know the truth?

00:26:10Maybe we know it

00:26:10In I don't know how long

00:26:11If something as serious as this

00:26:13Did it happen like that?

00:26:14Definitely

00:26:15That is to say

00:26:15At that moment

00:26:17There was a pact

00:26:19State

00:26:20There was a certain agreement

00:26:22Between Adolfo Suárez

00:26:23AND

00:26:24He was the president

00:26:25From the government

00:26:25And Felipe González

00:26:26He was the leader

00:26:27From the opposition

00:26:27To gradually cover it up

00:26:29Certain things

00:26:29Because there was a goal

00:26:30That was the objective

00:26:31Of democracy

00:26:33And there

00:26:34I think that

00:26:35That they ran

00:26:36Certain veils

00:26:38On many matters

00:26:39For example, this one

00:26:40It's incredible.

00:26:42That

00:26:42This will happen

00:26:44And that now

00:26:45We find out

00:26:45That are recognized

00:26:47As victims

00:26:48Terrorism

00:26:49That now

00:26:49Whatever is done

00:26:50It's that they give it to him

00:26:51The system itself

00:26:53The one who recognizes

00:26:54What are we going to see?

00:26:55This was an attack

00:26:56And even if it's 20 years later

00:26:57We acknowledge it.

00:26:59Fernando

00:26:59Why the silence?

00:27:02Because

00:27:03It wasn't necessary

00:27:04Excite more

00:27:05The situation

00:27:06Because you have to live.

00:27:08Because you have to live.

00:27:08Those years

00:27:09They lived through those years

00:27:10Of the military

00:27:11They were willing

00:27:12It had already been aborted

00:27:13And this better than anyone else.

00:27:15He can explain it.

00:27:16Because also

00:27:17He explains it from the outside.

00:27:19They had been aborted

00:27:21Two or three blows

00:27:21State

00:27:22Four

00:27:22I don't know

00:27:24Those who had

00:27:24That

00:27:25So

00:27:25Wings could not be given

00:27:27They were being negotiated

00:27:28Statutes

00:27:29People were aware

00:27:31Still

00:27:31They had spent

00:27:32Four years

00:27:33Of death

00:27:34Franco

00:27:35No more could be given

00:27:37They couldn't throw

00:27:38More fuel to the fire

00:27:39Therefore

00:27:40It had to be covered up

00:27:41Given this

00:27:42There is a key question

00:27:43I'm transferring this to both of you.

00:27:44Fernando and Fernando

00:27:46That perhaps the public

00:27:47Younger

00:27:47Claro didn't live

00:27:48I remember that I was very small

00:27:49When the news

00:27:51Impressive

00:27:52Images that are hard to forget

00:27:53And now they're coming back.

00:27:54From a tragedy

00:27:55In the heart of Zaragoza

00:27:56I repeat, it's 80 people

00:27:58It can therefore be covered up

00:28:00Any event

00:28:01However serious it may be

00:28:01Fernando

00:28:02Yeah

00:28:03Of course

00:28:04The story

00:28:05If there are indiscreet people

00:28:06Like that

00:28:07No

00:28:09No, I don't think so.

00:28:11That history

00:28:12It is full of

00:28:12Operations

00:28:14That we don't really know

00:28:16What has

00:28:17Past

00:28:18So serious

00:28:18Absolutely

00:28:20I mean that

00:28:21That

00:28:22Who is behind it?

00:28:24Of those

00:28:24Attacks

00:28:25Of attacks

00:28:26Who is behind it?

00:28:27Of

00:28:28Of

00:28:29Missions

00:28:29Important

00:28:31This is a typical operation

00:28:32That

00:28:32For example

00:28:33That's not the case.

00:28:34He could have done it perfectly.

00:28:36For example

00:28:36A service of

00:28:37Intelligence

00:28:38There are a lot of people

00:28:39That in forums

00:28:40For example

00:28:41He says so

00:28:41That by the way

00:28:42Superandi

00:28:42They thought it was some kind of service

00:28:44Perhaps not even Spanish

00:28:45Clear

00:28:46That is to say

00:28:46Someone who

00:28:47First, you need to have some

00:28:48Vast knowledge

00:28:49That is to say

00:28:50To be able to know

00:28:50If I set fire here

00:28:52How's it going to go?

00:28:54It's going to go up

00:28:55He's going to go to all these cases

00:28:57I believe that history

00:28:58From Spain

00:28:59It is also full

00:29:01Of

00:29:01Of events

00:29:03Of

00:29:03Not only attacks

00:29:05But of facts

00:29:06That can only be explained

00:29:08By one hand

00:29:08That

00:29:09What motivates them

00:29:10And that hand

00:29:11He doesn't want to

00:29:12Let it be known

00:29:13Who are they?

00:29:14Those who have done it

00:29:14What a definition!

00:29:16By Fernando Rueda

00:29:16OK?

00:29:20If we study one day

00:29:22The assassinations

00:29:23We'll realize

00:29:23That

00:29:24Quiprodes

00:29:25Who benefited from this?

00:29:27And who did it?

00:29:28We don't know

00:29:29He did it

00:29:29A crook

00:29:30But no

00:29:31It doesn't make sense.

00:29:31There are many things

00:29:33Well

00:29:33He knows it

00:29:34Because

00:29:34He explains everything

00:29:35Can

00:29:37It can be covered

00:29:37An event

00:29:39Like this

00:29:39Or even worse?

00:29:40Therefore

00:29:41To get this far

00:29:42At 30 years old

00:29:43That everyone

00:29:43Did he think it was an accident?

00:29:44The demonstration

00:29:45It has been covered up

00:29:45Well, about assassinations

00:29:47We'll talk one day

00:29:48Because it's a pleasure

00:29:49With both Fernandos

00:29:50Well then

00:29:51Reviewing true mysteries

00:29:53From history

00:29:53From our history

00:29:54Probably a lot of people

00:29:56Already a veteran

00:29:57He must have been surprised

00:29:59Because I'm sure too

00:30:00They saw those images

00:30:01They lived through it

00:30:02It was an event

00:30:03Incredible

00:30:04Marker

00:30:05Absolutely

00:30:05At one time

00:30:06As we were saying

00:30:06Very tense

00:30:07And now we know

00:30:08Supreme Court

00:30:09No more, no less

00:30:10We would like to thank you.

00:30:11To Ramón J. Campo

00:30:12The great Aragonese journalist

00:30:13What has followed this story

00:30:15Step by step

00:30:17Encountering that

00:30:1730 years later

00:30:18The court says

00:30:19Yes

00:30:20Napal

00:30:20Magnesium

00:30:21Prepared people

00:30:22People who knew how to get out

00:30:23From the flames

00:30:23People who knew

00:30:24Where I placed

00:30:25In the end

00:30:26The feeling

00:30:26That this

00:30:27They are indeed mysteries.

00:30:28Authentic

00:30:29Thanks a lot

00:30:30Fernando Rueda

00:30:30A pleasure as always

00:30:31I'm leaving without knowing

00:30:32Where was Fernando?

00:30:33July 12

00:30:33From 1979

00:30:34Oh well

00:30:35That will be another dossier

00:30:36Certainly another dossier

00:30:38Fernando San Agustín

00:30:39As always, a pleasure.

00:30:39Yes, but he didn't bring it to me.

00:30:40It's terrible.

00:30:43Thank you, Fernando.

00:30:44As usual

00:30:44A pleasure

00:30:45Carmen, we stayed there

00:30:46Perhaps in those bodies

00:30:47With changed identities

00:30:48This is the key

00:30:49Although that's perfectly clear

00:30:51That we'll never know

00:30:52No

00:30:52That we certainly won't know.

00:30:54Let's go

00:30:55More than just saying photos

00:30:56Let's watch a video.

00:30:57A video that has gone viral around the world

00:30:58And they're going to find it very interesting

00:31:10Images from Cuarto Milenio

00:31:11That on this exceptional occasion

00:31:13It's a video

00:31:13We'll tell you soon.

00:31:15Because?

00:31:15Because it's very controversial

00:31:17And they haven't asked much about him

00:31:18It is the story of Ruiz Pitman

00:31:20A boy

00:31:2112 years old

00:31:22That apparently

00:31:23He recorded a ghost.

00:31:24At their own home

00:31:25The video is going viral worldwide

00:31:27We'll find out

00:31:27What is hidden within him

00:31:28Carmen

00:31:28That's what the newspaper reported.

00:31:30From Saint

00:31:31This 12-year-old boy

00:31:32He was on his mobile phone

00:31:34At home

00:31:35Start recording a video

00:31:37From his own house

00:31:38And suddenly

00:31:39A character sneaks in

00:31:41In the middle of the recording

00:31:42According to the mother

00:31:44What is the adult?

00:31:46That accompanied

00:31:46There we see it

00:31:47That shadow, right?

00:31:49The mother says

00:31:50That he doesn't know what it is

00:31:51Because there is nothing else

00:31:53That an adult is at home

00:31:54Who is she?

00:31:55And at that moment

00:31:56I wasn't even there

00:31:57The truth

00:31:58It's because the mother thinks

00:32:00Which may be

00:32:01From a guardian angel

00:32:02This is how it has been identified

00:32:04She

00:32:04Because they have had

00:32:05Well, a series

00:32:05Family problems

00:32:06They have taken

00:32:07That marriage

00:32:09They separated

00:32:09And then

00:32:10They are having some problems

00:32:12The girl

00:32:13Even

00:32:13A little sister

00:32:14That has

00:32:15What's wrong with this kid?

00:32:1612 years old

00:32:17He says he has seen

00:32:18A strange character

00:32:19A few days before

00:32:20Swarming around his house

00:32:21And he doesn't know very well

00:32:22If they are

00:32:22Producing paranormal phenomena

00:32:24Or as it tells us

00:32:26Guillermo León

00:32:27In the analyses

00:32:28This is a scam

00:32:29A fraud

00:32:30Very well done

00:32:32A fraud

00:32:33In which

00:32:33It can be slipped in

00:32:35Today with technology

00:32:35What we have today

00:32:36It can be strained perfectly

00:32:38And digitally

00:32:39A shadow

00:32:40Like the one we're seeing

00:32:41Icar

00:32:42The paranormal society

00:32:44British

00:32:44He told the Sun

00:32:46That was the best image

00:32:48Of a ghost

00:32:48Dwarves

00:32:49In the end

00:32:50The question

00:32:51The suspicions

00:32:52From our IT analyst

00:32:53Whether it's a scam

00:32:54The child did it himself.

00:32:5512 years old

00:32:56Clear

00:32:56There are already real geniuses

00:32:57And then we'll talk.

00:32:58Of precocious brains

00:32:59In the final stretch of the program

00:33:00In Spain

00:33:01We have had

00:33:01Alleged paranormal phenomena

00:33:03That were made by girls

00:33:05That's what they wanted

00:33:05It was to attract attention

00:33:06And in this case

00:33:08The family is living

00:33:09Well, a situation

00:33:09A bit complicated

00:33:11And even more so for a child.

00:33:12That age

00:33:1212 years old

00:33:13Perhaps he wants to call it that

00:33:14The attention

00:33:15In the end

00:33:16That is undeniable

00:33:17It's the video

00:33:17It has some characteristics

00:33:19Cinematographic

00:33:19Very well done

00:33:20The camera

00:33:20Walking

00:33:22Approaching a room

00:33:22In the shadows

00:33:23And suddenly

00:33:23WHAM!

00:33:24That which crosses

00:33:25If the child has done it

00:33:26He has talent

00:33:28Now we're going to go

00:33:29With another mystery

00:33:30And then

00:33:31Yes, we will take photos.

00:33:32Photos that

00:33:33Do you see anything?

00:33:34They'll be photos like these

00:33:51We showed them

00:33:52At the start of the program

00:33:53A clip of images

00:33:54With Luis Álvarez

00:33:55In a very specific room

00:33:57And night vision

00:33:58They're watching it

00:33:59Sleeping peacefully

00:34:01Although not all night

00:34:02It was so peaceful

00:34:04Not at all

00:34:04Luis Álvarez

00:34:05Good evening, colleague

00:34:06Good night

00:34:07Newcomer

00:34:08From a very specific inn

00:34:09Beautiful

00:34:10But with history

00:34:11Cardona Inn

00:34:12Just 100 kilometers away

00:34:14From Barcelona

00:34:14With a history

00:34:15Awesome

00:34:16From about 6 centuries ago

00:34:18In which they have spent

00:34:19Of everything

00:34:19Wars have happened

00:34:20The Carlist Wars

00:34:21Wars of invasion

00:34:23Napoleonic

00:34:24And a lot of events

00:34:25Inside the castle itself

00:34:27From a dynasty

00:34:28Which is also a

00:34:28Of the most important

00:34:29The one belonging to the lords of Cardona

00:34:30The dukes

00:34:31And Counts of Cardona

00:34:33And well

00:34:34And

00:34:35I don't know

00:34:35People can see

00:34:36Besides seeing me in pajamas

00:34:37That I never imagined

00:34:38That on television

00:34:39I was going to see myself like that

00:34:40Well, you'll be able to observe

00:34:42A series of testimonies

00:34:42I think it's a

00:34:43Great story, Iker.

00:34:44Because it is

00:34:45I don't know if the first one

00:34:46But one of the first times

00:34:47People with a lot of weight

00:34:48Speak with great courage

00:34:49And proof of them

00:34:51This letter

00:34:51It's the letter he left

00:34:53The former director

00:34:55To the new director

00:34:56We interviewed

00:34:57And what are you going to see in the piece?

00:34:58Don Carlos Herrero Soler

00:34:59And he's going to be here too

00:35:00In which he tells

00:35:02What happened to him

00:35:02Inside the castle

00:35:03In one afternoon

00:35:04Winter

00:35:05From the 1980s

00:35:06But there's something else too.

00:35:08Something worth noting

00:35:10And that's because

00:35:10Luis spent several nights

00:35:11That was his mission.

00:35:12In a room

00:35:14Marked

00:35:15The 712

00:35:17Because?

00:35:18712

00:35:19Well, it's the west wing

00:35:20From the castle

00:35:21It is the most isolated area

00:35:23It's the room

00:35:23They never rent

00:35:24And it's the room

00:35:26Or space

00:35:27That occupied

00:35:28The rooms

00:35:29Of the ancients

00:35:30Counts of Cardona

00:35:31Don't tell me any more.

00:35:32Luis

00:35:32Just one thing

00:35:33Because then we're going to

00:35:35Solve

00:35:35What happened to you

00:35:36Specifically

00:35:37Did something happen to you?

00:35:38Yes or no?

00:35:39Yes, something happened.

00:35:40Let's see it

00:35:41We're going to travel

00:35:42This inn

00:35:42Of the mysteries

00:35:43We begin our journey

00:35:44A trip

00:35:45What does that have to do with it?

00:35:46Perhaps with the supernatural

00:35:48And that certainly

00:35:49It won't leave them indifferent.

00:35:51Cardona Inn

00:35:52A story

00:35:53Full of surprises

00:36:03Dear Director

00:36:05Now that I'm leaving

00:36:06I feel that this castle

00:36:08It's full of memories

00:36:10It's been many years.

00:36:11In charge of the Cardona inn

00:36:13And I will miss him

00:36:15You already know it's not easy

00:36:17Managing such a large hotel

00:36:18And I wish him all the luck.

00:36:20That I may need

00:36:22But before I speak to him

00:36:23From accounting

00:36:24And the details

00:36:25I have something else to tell you

00:36:28Perhaps you won't believe it.

00:36:29But the inn

00:36:31He's delighted.

00:36:34I don't intend to scare him

00:36:35But a presence

00:36:37He dwells in it

00:36:38For a long time

00:36:39Ages

00:36:40It may be

00:36:41From some member

00:36:42Of the old lineage

00:36:43From the Cardona family

00:36:44I don't know if I should

00:36:45Tell him/her this

00:36:47One winter afternoon

00:36:48I myself was a witness

00:36:50Something incredible

00:36:51In one of its rooms

00:36:55The 712

00:37:18Cardona Castle

00:37:19It has stood for over a thousand years

00:37:21The lineage that inhabited it

00:37:23He ruled for centuries

00:37:25One of the richest villas

00:37:26From the ancient kingdom of Aragon

00:37:28Today

00:37:29As challenging as ever

00:37:31Observe the Pyrenees

00:37:33Knowing that never

00:37:34It was conquered

00:37:35Despite having escaped

00:37:37At his feet

00:37:37Historic battles

00:37:39By blood and fire

00:37:43Orson Welles

00:37:44He was fascinated

00:37:45For its enigmatic beauty

00:37:46And it was filmed here

00:37:47One of his last films

00:37:48Chimes at midnight

00:37:56It was in ruins then.

00:37:57But in the 70s

00:37:59The network of national paradores

00:38:01He rebuilt it

00:38:02And he turned it

00:38:03In a luxury hotel

00:38:05Despite the thousands

00:38:06Of tourists who stay

00:38:07Every year

00:38:08Very few people

00:38:09Learn the story

00:38:10From one of its rooms

00:38:14The mystery

00:38:15Of all this story

00:38:16Well, curiously enough

00:38:17It begins in 1976

00:38:20When it is founded

00:38:22The national inn

00:38:23Dukes of Cardona

00:38:25And we could say

00:38:27That there is a resurgence

00:38:28Or a modernization

00:38:29From this legend

00:38:30And all of this comes

00:38:32When so many workers

00:38:35As customers

00:38:36From the national inn

00:38:37They start to say

00:38:39That in a certain room

00:38:40Specifically

00:38:41The 712

00:38:43There is a series

00:38:44Of strange phenomena

00:38:45They tell us there are

00:38:46There are noises

00:38:47We are told that there are apparitions.

00:38:49Some see a woman

00:38:51To a young woman

00:38:53Dressed in medieval clothing

00:38:56Others say he is a man

00:38:58Also wearing medieval clothing

00:39:01They even tell us

00:39:02That the room was closed

00:39:03There's furniture being moved.

00:39:05And also that some animals

00:39:07Mainly dogs and cats

00:39:09They refuse to enter this room

00:39:14Here, in the Cardona archive

00:39:17Andreu knows perfectly

00:39:19The file register

00:39:20The documentation

00:39:22And all the dukes

00:39:23That for six centuries

00:39:24They lived in the castle palace

00:39:27He is the historian

00:39:28And archivist of the town

00:39:29And he knows that since the 10th century

00:39:31The strength pulls

00:39:33A romantic legend

00:39:36The old folks tell

00:39:37That some nights

00:39:38He appears in this tower

00:39:39A tormented maiden

00:39:41It is believed to be an ancestor

00:39:43Of the old lineage

00:39:44Despite not having been able

00:39:46Reconstructing the legend

00:39:47With historical documents

00:39:49If you found these other ones

00:39:51They talk about what happened

00:39:52In their basements

00:39:53In the dungeons

00:39:55He was tortured and executed

00:39:57To people for centuries

00:40:02But perhaps above

00:40:04From the historical legend

00:40:05There is something more

00:40:07This room

00:40:09The 712

00:40:11Never rented

00:40:13Unless requested at reception

00:40:20So we decided to spend

00:40:22Four days and nights

00:40:24Sleep here

00:40:25And wait

00:40:26Meanwhile

00:40:28The service prepared us.

00:40:36The most

00:40:37Where they usually spend

00:40:38All these things

00:40:39What can be heard

00:40:40And that's in 7

00:40:41On the seventh floor

00:40:42It is the most

00:40:44Let's say

00:40:44The one that is least connected

00:40:46With the rest

00:40:47And in the room

00:40:49It's 712

00:40:49The one that people have heard

00:40:51Someone is knocking at the door

00:40:52And maybe there's nobody there.

00:40:53What do you think?

00:40:55That surely

00:40:57And then

00:40:59Specifically

00:40:59This lady

00:41:00He said he had seen

00:41:02A person

00:41:03Please

00:41:03That they would change her room

00:41:04Because at night

00:41:05I had seen a man

00:41:06At the foot of his bed

00:41:08Well

00:41:08Yes, they did change her room.

00:41:10But that lady

00:41:11If he said that was it

00:41:12That I had seen

00:41:13Someone at the foot of her bed

00:41:14They pass more or less

00:41:15About 25,000 people

00:41:16Every year around here

00:41:17As customers

00:41:18And some clients

00:41:19Has he made any comments?

00:41:20Well, now a few months

00:41:22Well

00:41:22An English lady

00:41:23He told me

00:41:24That he had had

00:41:25The feeling

00:41:26Well, she was with her husband.

00:41:27But I had had the feeling

00:41:28That someone

00:41:29He held her hand

00:41:29Throughout the night

00:41:30But the feeling

00:41:31She was very good

00:41:32I don't know

00:41:33Things like that happen.

00:41:33Comments of this type

00:41:34But that's great!

00:41:36We have also had

00:41:37Some people

00:41:37Well

00:41:38Specifically

00:41:38A couple

00:41:39Young people

00:41:40They had enough for two nights

00:41:42And they commented

00:41:43And they commented the next day

00:41:43That they had to leave

00:41:44Because they hadn't been able to

00:41:46Sleep through the night

00:41:46If they had noticed

00:41:47Many

00:41:48They got off saying

00:41:49Tonight

00:41:49I've noticed in my room

00:41:51A presence

00:41:51Something

00:41:52There's something

00:41:52Some girl

00:41:54That in the morning

00:41:55The next morning

00:41:55He got up

00:41:56It was the first day

00:41:57That was coming

00:41:57And she said that she

00:41:58I had seen

00:41:59A lady

00:42:00In the room

00:42:01They are the ones who

00:42:03The more time passes

00:42:04In the hallways

00:42:04From the labyrinthine inn

00:42:07Some

00:42:07They don't want to go in alone

00:42:09In the cursed room

00:42:11The address

00:42:12It allows them

00:42:12By agreement

00:42:13Working in pairs

00:42:15On the 7th floor

00:42:20Outside

00:42:21We explore every corner

00:42:22From the old inn

00:42:23Guided by Andreu

00:42:25No one better than him

00:42:26To talk to us

00:42:27From history

00:42:28But above all

00:42:30Of the protagonists

00:42:31That they lived

00:42:32And they slept

00:42:33Before us

00:42:34Here

00:42:36This part here

00:42:37Exactly

00:42:38What would that correspond to?

00:42:39In medieval times?

00:42:41Let's say

00:42:42To what it is

00:42:43The pavilions

00:42:44Residence

00:42:45And private

00:42:46Of the gentlemen

00:42:46That is to say

00:42:47On the ground floor

00:42:49And on the first floor

00:42:50In the 14th centuries

00:42:51Sorry

00:42:52In the 15th and 16th centuries

00:42:53He was still known

00:42:55Like the cambra

00:42:56From Mrs. Violanda Cardona

00:42:58The camera

00:42:59The room

00:43:00From Doña Violante de Cardona

00:43:01That she was a daughter

00:43:02From the Count of Cardona

00:43:03It's obvious

00:43:04That the room

00:43:04What do you have?

00:43:05It's obvious

00:43:06That the room

00:43:06What do you have?

00:43:07And that you occupy

00:43:08It's not a medieval room

00:43:10It's a room

00:43:11Reformed in the decade

00:43:12From the 90s

00:43:13And painted

00:43:13And decorated

00:43:15Clear

00:43:16Now then

00:43:17As a physical space

00:43:19It corresponds

00:43:20With something much older

00:43:22Last summer

00:43:24Last summer

00:43:24It appeared published

00:43:25In the newspaper

00:43:25The Country

00:43:26This fantastic chronicle

00:43:28Francisco González Ledesma

00:43:30Lawyer

00:43:31Writer

00:43:32Prestigious journalist

00:43:34And former dean

00:43:35From school

00:43:35From lawyers

00:43:36From Catalonia

00:43:36He spent a night

00:43:38At the enchanted inn

00:43:44Well

00:43:45I had been

00:43:45Twice more

00:43:46At the Cardona Inn

00:43:47And they had spoken to me

00:43:49That there existed

00:43:50A ghost

00:43:50I took it as a joke

00:43:51Naturally

00:43:52And they told me

00:43:53Careful

00:43:53Don't give it to you

00:43:54The room

00:43:54Of a ghost

00:43:55Well

00:43:58I was alone there

00:43:59I was quite sleepy

00:44:00I fell asleep immediately

00:44:01And they had to be

00:44:02Two in the morning

00:44:03Approximately

00:44:04Well, they started

00:44:06To be heard

00:44:07In it

00:44:07Above

00:44:08In the upstairs room

00:44:08Some noises

00:44:09But tremendous

00:44:10Of people

00:44:11That it was dragging villages along with it

00:44:14But not

00:44:15They dragged a chair

00:44:16They didn't drag a wardrobe

00:44:18They dragged the bed

00:44:19Really

00:44:19It was one thing

00:44:20Explorendosa

00:44:23The recreation

00:44:24From the beginning

00:44:25From this report

00:44:26It does not belong

00:44:27To fiction

00:44:29It happened like this

00:44:30The former director

00:44:31He was leaving his post

00:44:32Warning

00:44:33Something

00:44:34To his successor

00:44:35When

00:44:36I received the letter

00:44:37Well, I was talking

00:44:38With the

00:44:38And he told me

00:44:39That which

00:44:40That he had had

00:44:40The experience

00:44:41That's good.

00:44:41Well, at some point

00:44:43They had to go to

00:44:44To check a room

00:44:45That at the beginning

00:44:46He was free

00:44:48They couldn't open

00:44:49There were no cards before.

00:44:51They had the key

00:44:51And they couldn't open.

00:44:52The door

00:44:53Then at a certain point

00:44:54They told them

00:44:55That was expected

00:44:56A voice

00:44:57Inside the room

00:44:59He told them

00:44:59Wait

00:45:01We've brought here

00:45:02Three nights

00:45:03In the chambers

00:45:04Of the dukes

00:45:05From Cardona

00:45:05Nothing today

00:45:06Disturbs

00:45:07Peace

00:45:07Of the dead

00:45:09Except for the light

00:45:10Electric

00:45:10And running water

00:45:11Everything continues

00:45:12Almost the same

00:45:13That in the 16th century

00:45:14In the west wing

00:45:15From the castle

00:45:17Fortunately

00:45:17The ghost

00:45:18It belongs to this room

00:45:20The 712

00:45:22It always remains closed

00:45:25Unless

00:45:26That she specifically requests it

00:45:28He dares

00:45:30To spend the night here

00:45:31Good night

00:45:33If you can

00:45:35If you can

00:46:20Thanks for watching the video.

00:46:33Thank you so much.

00:47:03Thanks for watching the video.

00:47:34Thanks for watching the video.

00:47:49Thank you.

00:47:50Thank you.

00:47:51Thank you.

00:47:52Thank you.

00:48:02Thank you.

00:48:03Thank you.

00:48:04Thank you.

00:48:07Thank you.

00:48:08Thank you.

00:48:11Thank you.

00:48:12Thank you.

00:48:14Thank you.

00:48:15Thank you.

00:48:44Thank you.

00:48:45Thank you.

00:48:46Thank you.

00:48:50Thank you.

00:48:52Thank you.

00:48:53Thank you.

00:48:54Thank you.

00:48:55Thank you.

00:48:59Thank you.

00:49:00Thank you.

00:49:02Thank you.

00:49:03Thank you.

00:49:04Thank you.

00:49:07Thank you.

00:49:08Thank you.

00:49:12Thank you.

00:49:13Thank you.

00:49:16Thank you.

00:49:18Thank you.

00:49:23Thank you.

00:49:24Thank you.

00:49:57Thank you.

00:49:58Thank you.

00:50:00Thank you.

00:50:04Thank you.

00:50:05Thank you.

00:50:08Thank you.

00:50:09Thank you.

00:50:11Thank you.

00:50:13Thank you.

00:50:15Thank you.

00:50:17So they decided to wait.

00:50:19But they realized it in time

00:50:21The thing is, that room shouldn't be occupied because they carry a slip of paper listing those who have

00:50:27While I was busy, a third person arrived who was supposed to be in charge of cleaning, and then I arrived.

00:50:35I was passing by, taking a walk, and asked what was going on, and they told me, "It's just that we've called..."

00:50:41The door and at the door in the room they answered that we should wait, but this room in theory.

00:50:46It's already empty, it's empty, it's not occupied.

00:50:48Was that a normal voice, Carlos?

00:50:50No, it wasn't a very hoarse voice, according to them. I didn't hear the first voice, and well, we repeated it.

00:50:57The call and the same voice, a harsh voice, no, I don't know how to say it, well, she said wait then, like them

00:51:06They insisted that the room shouldn't be occupied, that there must have been a mistake because I told them to go to another one.

00:51:12I don't remember why they called reception and asked.

00:51:16whether the room was actually occupied or not, and they told us that all the basketball players had left and

00:51:22Furthermore, that room had not been occupied, so they had apparently tried to insert the key and

00:51:29It wouldn't open, so we put the key back in. The door opened without any problem, and the four of us went in, I think.

00:51:36that we were with a certain

00:51:41We got to the room and everything was normal except for the bathroom.

00:51:45I remember that it had a tap for hot water because the mirror was quite fogged up, and there was a damp towel on it.

00:51:52the sink and under the sink there were two footprints as if someone had stained the floor by stepping on it and

00:51:58That's it, but there weren't just two footprints, only two.

00:52:02very large, as if someone had touched or stepped on something, or cement or something like that, next to the sink, and obviously

00:52:08There was nobody in the room

00:52:10That was the experience

00:52:12and way out

00:52:14Not impossible, there were four of us and between us we would have seen someone come out and obviously and of course afterwards they looked at each other

00:52:21every corner in case there was one

00:52:23It was a joke. If there was anyone inside, if something happened, no, there was nobody there.

00:52:27And I heard the voice, I heard the second voice, I waited.

00:52:30wait imperatively and very rocky

00:52:33a very rough voice and a very... wait

00:52:36In other words, it was not possible that it came from another nearby room because they were also empty.

00:52:41I mean

00:52:43I think it was coming out of there

00:52:44And Carlos, what reflection did you make then? There's your letter, evidently it's an experience that I don't...

00:52:50It's doubtful that you're experiencing this firsthand with more witnesses.

00:52:53that you reflected on after thinking about other previous stories

00:52:57That area is already a legend.

00:52:58Well, when I arrived at the Parador there was a certain reluctance on the part of the staff to go up because there was the legend

00:53:04half jokingly, half seriously

00:53:05that it was the ghost's area

00:53:08So let's say what was done was that when they went up, two went up so as not to be afraid, in quotes

00:53:12Two people were getting on.

00:53:14But that area, being a little far from the main hotel area, wasn't fully occupied.

00:53:21Perhaps it's the last part of the hotel that was occupied.

00:53:24And that room, that area in general, was almost always empty, but that particular room was not.

00:53:30And well, I thought I could

00:53:32I tried to find many explanations, but no

00:53:34The thing is, I always stumbled over the fact that, well, and the voice, and because there were only two footprints, there I was.

00:53:40It stopped, of course, it couldn't.

00:53:43The inn had, and I suppose still has, between the stone walls of the inn and what are the rooms

00:53:50There are some enormous gaps

00:53:52At first I thought more of a living person than a ghost, and we'll see.

00:53:57If there's anyone hiding in these areas, no.

00:53:59But logically, with the voice issue and the possibility of not escaping the place, I had to

00:54:05rule out

00:54:05Goodness, I honestly think there's little more to add; there's the case, the document, the voice

00:54:11Of course, things could get worse, or this case could become more interesting when a person of Francisco's prestige is involved.

00:54:18it's there

00:54:19I don't know if he's going there as some kind of challenge.

00:54:22The legend knows it wants to chronicle what the story is like.

00:54:25Not at all, I was an honored guest

00:54:28I ask those who are watching to consider this a journalistic account; that is to say, I am telling the truth.

00:54:34of what I saw

00:54:34Well, then they took me to the room, it was a small suite, a lovely room, I fell asleep right away and about

00:54:42three in the morning

00:54:43and I was sound asleep, it wasn't a dream, I heard him start moving chairs, then I thought, it's also an hour in

00:54:51the upstairs room

00:54:52But it was also late and there was a loud noise that woke me up, so I thought, well, it must be someone who...

00:54:58suffers from insomnia

00:54:59I fell back asleep and then it was the end; they started moving wardrobes, they started moving beds

00:55:06It was a tremendous thing, I mean

00:55:08inside the room that was above my head

00:55:11There was a moving walkway

00:55:13that the goal was unbearable

00:55:14strong blows

00:55:16Do not drag furniture

00:55:17drag

00:55:17There are no bangs or the sound of furniture being dragged.

00:55:19Well, it took strength to drag that thing because a wardrobe or a bed isn't really easy to drag.

00:55:26So, well, I hardly slept.

00:55:30And when I woke up in the morning, the very kind reception staff told me he had slept well.

00:55:35And I told them the room was very nice but I couldn't sleep at all.

00:55:38And I didn't want to call you because, well, since I'm unlimited, I didn't want to cause you any problems.

00:55:44But I urge you to take note that something is happening here.

00:55:49What happened? Well, I saw furniture being moved, but it was a heavy, insistent movement.

00:55:54a movement that lasted for hours and woke me up more than once

00:55:58He says so, but it can't be.

00:55:59She says no because it's the room above hers.

00:56:03It's an empty room that we never use.

00:56:07or almost never

00:56:08and that is usually always empty

00:56:10So you were under an empty room

00:56:14Let's see, I think this is very important

00:56:16It's important that people understand this.

00:56:18That is, below the room where other phenomena or mysteries occur, or where what we just heard happened

00:56:28Francisco is spending the night there

00:56:31You hear all sorts of unusual noises

00:56:34No, no, dragging furniture at 3 in the morning is not normal

00:56:37And when you speak to reception

00:56:39The answer they give you is exactly that it can't be.

00:56:43That can't be because this room is always empty.

00:56:47It's a room that he tries never to rent out.

00:56:49only in exceptional cases does it deal with

00:56:51And tonight has been empty.

00:56:54so you haven't been able to hear anything

00:56:56Well, I was stunned.

00:56:57What could I do?

00:57:00insist

00:57:01the poor receptionist was not to blame

00:57:03I didn't believe it, naturally.

00:57:05because I am responsible for what I see and hear

00:57:08Or rather, in this case, from what I hear

00:57:10Well, and I never forgot this matter.

00:57:13I never forgot it

00:57:14and after a while

00:57:16as a contributor to the country that I am

00:57:18I wrote a chronicle explaining what had happened to me at Cardón Castle

00:57:22with a wonderful title

00:57:23Well, I don't think you're going to believe this.

00:57:26It's true

00:57:28I wouldn't have believed it either.

00:57:30But I assure you it's a true story.

00:57:32written by the witness to the events

00:57:34So it's an absolute truth

00:57:36I didn't know

00:57:37Besides, I didn't even know it was room 700.

00:57:39So you didn't know the legend

00:57:41I didn't know the legend.

00:57:43It circulated in the newsrooms during the early hours of the morning.

00:57:46They always talked about many things.

00:57:47and it had been heard

00:57:48that the Castle of Cardona

00:57:50It had a bloody tradition

00:57:52historical

00:57:52and that too many things had happened there

00:57:55and that there was even talk that it had a ghost

00:57:57But naturally I didn't believe it.

00:57:58and after a lovely reception at a concert

00:58:03You are in a perfect state of mind

00:58:05You don't think about all this

00:58:07And I'm telling you

00:58:08I didn't even know it was below room 712

00:58:12Well, I think we've rarely had this here at the table.

00:58:14And you don't know how grateful I am.

00:58:16Well, one of these cases

00:58:17Nobody says what it is

00:58:18because we don't know

00:58:19But it certainly happens

00:58:21And we could add yet one more element

00:58:24What happened to our colleague Luis Álvarez?

00:58:26We're also posting this so you can form your own opinion.

00:58:29Of course

00:58:30But is that true, Luis?

00:58:31rarely do people of this level

00:58:33of this kind

00:58:34They are telling us about something they experienced

00:58:37You're the one who knows everything that's going on.

00:58:39and of course

00:58:40Some people might think it's just suggestion

00:58:42obviously

00:58:42but the tape recorders

00:58:44in this case

00:58:45not audio recorders

00:58:47They are not capable of being suggested to themselves

00:58:49And something happened that we are now going to reveal.

00:58:50Luis

00:58:50what is it?

00:58:52well then

00:58:52I don't know if you remember Iker

00:58:54that we made a sort of deal

00:58:55before I go to record this

00:58:57And that's because

00:58:57You told me, why don't we put up a camera?

00:59:00in Night Shot

00:59:01and some tape recorders

00:59:02And you know, Iker.

00:59:03I say it often.

00:59:04No?

00:59:04How many times have we done this?

00:59:06and very rarely has anything been recorded

00:59:07No?

00:59:07even one eventually arrives

00:59:09even to losing faith

00:59:11but

00:59:12you will also remember

00:59:12we talked about it on the radio program

00:59:14And what did you tell me?

00:59:15check those tapes carefully

00:59:16There's probably something

00:59:18and well then

00:59:19I'm telling you

00:59:19without much faith

00:59:20we reviewed the tapes

00:59:21and on the tape specifically

00:59:22from the Night Shot

00:59:23at the moment when I

00:59:24I turn on the camera

00:59:26and I'm getting involved

00:59:27in the camera

00:59:27so that everyone understands

00:59:29that is

00:59:30I hear a female voice

00:59:31which says something like this

00:59:32sleep like you do

00:59:33or sleeps

00:59:34sleep

00:59:35I didn't hear it there

00:59:36when I was

00:59:37But like I said, that's what

00:59:38The first thing that jumped out at me

00:59:39when I was timing the tapes

00:59:41is

00:59:41Here goes

00:59:42What's this doing here?

00:59:43You didn't hear anything

00:59:44being there

00:59:45not obviously

00:59:46Yes, we could count

00:59:47other things

00:59:48that happened

00:59:49Tell me about it now.

00:59:49Let's listen

00:59:50Luis's recording

00:59:52what is

00:59:52as we say

00:59:53one more element

00:59:54interesting

00:59:55Luis, put that camera down.

00:59:57with a slightly greenish vision

00:59:58that you already know

00:59:59that we usually handle

01:00:00good so they can see each other

01:00:01in darkness

01:00:02And this is the recording

01:00:04from the audio

01:00:05captured by the camera itself

01:00:06as usual

01:00:07We're going to repeat it

01:00:07on several occasions

01:00:08It's a very subtle voice.

01:00:10It's not easy to listen to

01:00:11But if we sharpen our hearing

01:00:13yes it's true

01:00:14who looks like a young woman

01:00:15that says

01:00:16sleep

01:00:17Or you sleep

01:00:17Please listen to her

01:00:44I wanted to add

01:00:46I'll tell you.

01:00:47in that letter

01:00:47at the Cardona inn

01:00:50There is a Romanesque collegiate church

01:00:51which is a jewel

01:00:52by the way

01:00:53dedicated to Saint Vincent

01:00:55and in this church

01:00:58as it is inside the premises

01:00:59but it doesn't exactly belong

01:01:00to the inn

01:01:01In other words, it forms part of the enclosure

01:01:02But it's under control.

01:01:03for example

01:01:04by the Generalitat

01:01:06or by the Cardona City Council

01:01:09I remember that there was

01:01:10a watchman

01:01:11an elderly gentleman

01:01:11I don't remember his name.

01:01:13I imagine that

01:01:13I hope she's still alive

01:01:15who was a person

01:01:16of the utmost credibility

01:01:18and very respectable

01:01:20and he said that

01:01:21They had made recordings

01:01:23he said earlier

01:01:24the technical name

01:01:25I don't know what it's called

01:01:26Yes, EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena)

01:01:26EVP, yes

01:01:27and that there was

01:01:28which was terrifying to hear

01:01:30I never heard them

01:01:31That's what the guard said.

01:01:32That's what I was saying

01:01:33the person who was in charge

01:01:34to teach the collegiate church

01:01:35I'm talking about a while ago

01:01:36twenty-something years

01:01:37But he told me

01:01:39that was overwhelming

01:01:40listen to them

01:01:41and he was a man

01:01:41of such respectability

01:01:43that there was no doubt about it

01:01:44what it said

01:01:45It sounds like a voice

01:01:46It's true

01:01:46those of us who have a little

01:01:48habit of listening

01:01:49this type of

01:01:49and now in every house

01:01:51There will be a debate

01:01:52It could be an effect

01:01:53could be

01:01:53But it is true

01:01:54which seems

01:01:54a voice that says

01:01:56sleep

01:01:56very subtle

01:01:58Luis, did anything else happen?

01:01:59on those nights?

01:02:00Things happened

01:02:01I was saying

01:02:01I don't know what we slept about.

01:02:02in many places

01:02:03with history

01:02:04You surely remember

01:02:05these legends

01:02:06that we filmed in Scotland

01:02:07about castles

01:02:08with ghosts

01:02:10and well

01:02:10Nothing ever happened

01:02:11In fact

01:02:12Nothing ever happened

01:02:13And it's a question.

01:02:14which also make us

01:02:15usually

01:02:15Hey, have you ever

01:02:16Has something happened to you?

01:02:17Well

01:02:18to normally happen

01:02:19what happens

01:02:20usually

01:02:21highly volatile

01:02:22very little

01:02:22Let's say objective

01:02:24and in this case

01:02:25well

01:02:26It was curious

01:02:27For example

01:02:27And it's something I contrasted

01:02:28with the camera

01:02:29with Raúl Álvarez

01:02:30that they had nightmares

01:02:31very dense

01:02:33and especially recurrent

01:02:34Does the whole team agree with that?

01:02:36I agreed above all

01:02:36the cameraman and I

01:02:37I didn't say anything to him

01:02:38He went the next morning

01:02:39of the first night

01:02:40when he told me

01:02:41boy

01:02:41I haven't slept at all.

01:02:42all night

01:02:42because I was having nightmares

01:02:43recurring

01:02:44from which I woke up

01:02:45again and again

01:02:46So I didn't say anything.

01:02:47But it is true

01:02:48that from the first

01:02:49until the very last day

01:02:49which were four nights

01:02:51we had dreams

01:02:52I'm telling you

01:02:52very dense

01:02:53from which you woke up

01:02:54with a feeling

01:02:55really

01:02:56of absolute unease

01:02:57then some calls

01:02:58No?

01:02:59knocks on the door

01:03:00at two in the morning

01:03:02and also not one

01:03:03but twice

01:03:05It was heard perfectly

01:03:06how they were knocking at the door

01:03:07I went out into the hallway

01:03:08to open

01:03:08to see what was there

01:03:09just in case

01:03:10They were spending money on us

01:03:11a joke

01:03:11but I couldn't see anyone

01:03:13because the hallway

01:03:13It's too long

01:03:14and you can also hear

01:03:15if one of the colleagues

01:03:16close the door

01:03:16neither

01:03:17the boys on the team

01:03:18They don't do these kinds of things.

01:03:19No?

01:03:20Carlos also said

01:03:21now that I think about it

01:03:22the assistant

01:03:22that on the second night

01:03:23at four in the morning

01:03:24footsteps woke him up

01:03:25in the hallway

01:03:26I also asked specifically

01:03:28that we wanted to be alone

01:03:30in that wing of the castle

01:03:31so that they wouldn't pass

01:03:32this kind of thing

01:03:33And he did confirm it.

01:03:34that is to say

01:03:35He told me

01:03:35boy

01:03:35Last night I was woken up by footsteps.

01:03:37in the hallway

01:03:38at four in the morning

01:03:39It is also

01:03:39one more detail

01:03:40There are people who might say

01:03:42Well, his management and so on.

01:03:42if there is a team

01:03:44who has spent nights in places

01:03:45And there's a bit of habit involved.

01:03:46It needs to be said

01:03:47is ours

01:03:47No?

01:03:48And finally

01:03:48This has caught our attention

01:03:50especially because of having

01:03:51with so many testimonies

01:03:51we could talk

01:03:52perhaps of opinion

01:03:53already staff

01:03:55I believe that Francis

01:03:56He did a report

01:03:57very brave

01:03:58saying

01:03:58You won't believe it

01:04:00But this is what I have lived through

01:04:02And what could there have been?

01:04:03What's behind all this?

01:04:04that is to say

01:04:04already going a little

01:04:05to the possible explanation

01:04:07well actually

01:04:08There is no explanation.

01:04:10I mean

01:04:10If I at this moment

01:04:11I have to

01:04:12write a report

01:04:13saying that

01:04:14I know some explanation.

01:04:16I would lie

01:04:17because I don't know any

01:04:17And let it be known that I have thought

01:04:19many times in this

01:04:20as a person

01:04:21And not because I'm a writer

01:04:23because really

01:04:24I have had two professions

01:04:25in which

01:04:27A lot of realism is required

01:04:28which is the one of journalist

01:04:29and the lawyer's

01:04:30No

01:04:32I've always thought

01:04:33as a journalist

01:04:34I've always thought

01:04:34as a lawyer

01:04:35and it has had me

01:04:36simply to the facts

01:04:37I can't find any explanation.

01:04:39at all

01:04:39That's all I can say

01:04:40that's it

01:04:41It was true

01:04:41Now you ask me

01:04:43as a person

01:04:44I do believe that

01:04:45Things can be

01:04:48supernatural

01:04:48that there may be some

01:04:49communication

01:04:50with people

01:04:50that no longer exist

01:04:51Well, I would tell you

01:04:52frankly

01:04:53yes

01:04:54I've already

01:04:55in the end

01:04:56many years in life

01:04:57I've been here for many years

01:04:58in the profession

01:04:58like you

01:04:59I've slept in places

01:05:00extremely rare

01:05:01I woke up

01:05:02in amazing places

01:05:03And I really think

01:05:04that I am a person

01:05:05of experience

01:05:05I keep thinking

01:05:07yes

01:05:07than in ancient places

01:05:08in the end

01:05:09there may be

01:05:10some

01:05:10some essence

01:05:11something

01:05:12some spiritual residue

01:05:13that actually exists

01:05:15and move

01:05:16or that manifests

01:05:17its existence

01:05:18somehow

01:05:19Carlos

01:05:22the same question

01:05:23let's say the opinion

01:05:24more staff

01:05:25And maybe that has something to do with it

01:05:26with ancient history

01:05:27from that place

01:05:27which is not a place

01:05:28precisely

01:05:29built yesterday

01:05:31I'm a little skeptical.

01:05:32The thing is, of course

01:05:33when I can't find

01:05:34I am a realist

01:05:34and when I can't find

01:05:35explanation

01:05:36Well, I have to stay.

01:05:37a bit

01:05:39in orsa

01:05:40waiting to see

01:05:40What is happening?

01:05:42because I didn't know

01:05:42find explanation

01:05:43well really

01:05:44that Carlos Herrero enters

01:05:46and Francisco González de Desma

01:05:47Right, Luis?

01:05:48we have had

01:05:49one of those gatherings

01:05:50hard to forget

01:05:51because of its absolute certainty

01:05:51for realism

01:05:52because of the poise

01:05:53and now each one

01:05:54Let him think what he wants

01:05:55Of course

01:05:56These are events

01:05:57that occur

01:05:58that when they overlap

01:05:59in the same place

01:05:59Of course

01:06:00They're already demonstrating something.

01:06:03Let's leave, Luis

01:06:04again

01:06:04so that people

01:06:05Analyze it again.

01:06:06with what you

01:06:06It came up in the recording

01:06:08maybe it has something to do with

01:06:09with ancient history

01:06:10We don't know

01:06:11But enjoy it

01:06:12be overwhelmed

01:06:12because I don't know

01:06:13what happens

01:06:14with these sound fragments

01:06:16that make a certain impression

01:06:17above all

01:06:18of these hours

01:06:18And now we'll

01:06:19with all the latest news

01:06:20It has been a pleasure

01:06:20Carlos

01:06:21a pleasure

01:06:21Francis

01:06:22thank you so much

01:06:23I'll schedule you for another program

01:06:25And of course, Carlos

01:06:26for another

01:06:26to talk about inns

01:06:28that we would have

01:06:28to create a whole program

01:06:29legends, mysteries

01:06:31myths

01:06:31and findings

01:06:32Well, at your disposal

01:06:33excellent

01:06:34a pleasure

01:06:34really

01:06:35thanks a lot

01:06:36if ever

01:06:36I need to explain something

01:06:37I swear I'm telling the truth

01:06:39There is no doubt about that.

01:06:40Francis

01:06:41Luis

01:06:41Great job!

01:06:42thanks my friend

01:06:42me like him

01:06:43I subscribe

01:06:43as you give it more

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