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00:00:16The Lady of Elche
00:00:31The Lady of Elche
00:01:01The Lady of Elche
00:01:12The statuette measures 32 centimeters in height and 35 centimeters in width. The figure depicted wears a tunic.
00:01:19Short. Archaeologists have already named the piece, of which only the lower part remains.
00:01:25of Warrior of the Wall.
00:01:27Few cultures are so unknown, are they? Like the Iberians, we still have much to decipher about their world, which in
00:01:33The bottom is also ours. In this program we're going to dive in several times. We come from the Ebro, from the
00:01:39cold waters of the Ebro. Well, now we're going into the sea to discover a shipwreck.
00:02:14Later, they deployed a series of underwater cameras that captured these stunning images of the battleship. The Danto sank with 296 crew members.
00:02:23sailors on board after a projectile struck him.
00:02:26And pay close attention to analyzing these Ice Age artifacts.
00:02:30A few days ago, a team of archaeologists discovered hundreds of fossil remains in the heart of Los Angeles belonging to
00:02:37the last ice age.
00:02:39These are 700 remains, including the skull of an American lion, bones of wolves, tigers,
00:02:45saber-toothed cats, horses, bison, coyotes, lynxes, and even an 80% preserved Colombian mammoth—and look, it has
00:02:54the fangs intact.
00:02:55These animals, which lived between 10,000 and 40,000 years ago, were discovered at a site that appeared under
00:03:01a shopping center that was being demolished.
00:03:04According to experts, these findings may shed light on issues such as global warming, geological changes, biodiversity, and
00:03:11the life circles.
00:03:13We like to give news about archaeology, about the constant discoveries, but now we are going with a deeper and more unusual mystery.
00:03:27Imagine the situation of John Rienhan, a boy who is watching television, a missing persons program and...
00:03:33Suddenly he sees a picture of his father.
00:03:36He was on screen saying that if anyone knew anything about him, please get in touch with him.
00:03:40program.
00:03:41But he couldn't believe it because John had cremated his father five years ago.
00:03:46It was a corpse that had been found very close to his house and that had and matched the physical characteristics
00:03:52from his father.
00:03:53But apparently, he was lost.
00:03:57He had suffered a stroke and the police had admitted him to a psychiatric center.
00:04:03But the reality is that he is alive and well and now reunited with his son.
00:04:08And look why the monsters are coming back into the spotlight.
00:04:12In this case, in Siberia, Bigfoot.
00:04:15They say it's over two meters tall, a hairy creature, very similar to the one we showed once in
00:04:21the program.
00:04:22Well, now an Orthodox bishop has created an association to search for Bigfoot.
00:04:27There are so many testimonies from hunters and people who claim to have seen him, how he entered a cave,
00:04:35This priest has taken his backpack, his weapon, and gone in search of Bigfoot.
00:04:42And look very carefully at this image.
00:04:45It is the Borneo monster, also known as Nabau.
00:04:49It measures more than 30 meters.
00:04:51It appears to be like a long snake.
00:04:53We're seeing it right now.
00:04:54These are the latest photographs obtained of what is supposedly this giant snake with a dragon's head.
00:05:01that have been obtained in Borneo.
00:05:04The neighbors are very scared and claim that they have seen him on the riverbank on several occasions.
00:05:10Now the debate is whether this photograph is real and was taken by security forces from a helicopter
00:05:16or if it is a photographic montage.
00:05:19And tomorrow, at all newsstands in Spain, a very special issue of the Cuarto Milenio collection.
00:05:25Expeditions of our team.
00:05:27Expeditions that we have been able to enjoy and experience.
00:05:29The enigma of Padre Pio.
00:05:31The end of the world that happened in Pompeii.
00:05:33Do you remember the Mayan pyramids or the unusual paintings of the Algerian desert of Tassili?
00:05:39All that and much more.
00:05:40Tomorrow, the book and DVD of Cuarto Milenio, as always, will be available at all newsstands.
00:05:45And now let's talk about a pioneer.
00:05:47A true game-changer in his time.
00:05:49Let's go to the archives.
00:06:03I know that many people are surprised by the documents we bring here to the newspaper archive.
00:06:07And that's one of the functions.
00:06:09Learn about other stories in journalism.
00:06:10For example, this one that takes us back to 1968.
00:06:14ABC newspaper, the best-selling and most influential of its time.
00:06:18A gigantic UFO, apparently, over Madrid.
00:06:21Thousands of people pointing towards the skies.
00:06:24And a prestigious journalist who does a report called
00:06:27Something is floating above the world.
00:06:30I've told this story on more than one occasion.
00:06:31With one of the beginnings, I believe, of the most wonderful, of the press and the mystery.
00:06:35It said something like
00:06:36Something is floating above the world.
00:06:38About this old world of ours, tired of rolling through infinite spaces.
00:06:43Good.
00:06:44There is the impact of that report.
00:06:46Something occasional.
00:06:47Luca de Tena opens with him, with Carlos Murciano.
00:06:52With the author of these pages and this memory.
00:06:54A whole series of investigations.
00:06:56We have here, Carmen, the first national UFO researcher.
00:07:02Touring Spain.
00:07:03Taking as an example, none other than the ABC newspaper.
00:07:06Carlos Murciano.
00:07:06And so began all the chronicles of our correspondent in the world of UFOs.
00:07:11It was Carlos Murciano, who traveled across much of Spain in search of those objects that were
00:07:19crossing our skies at that time.
00:07:21And so it went until Doñana, where a guard had had a sighting.
00:07:26It was Manuel Espinar.
00:07:29He was riding his horse towards the well on his property when suddenly he was blinded by a great
00:07:35focus.
00:07:36"That light dazzled me," he said.
00:07:38That light dazzled me.
00:07:38That's what Don Manuel said.
00:07:41He said that it dazzled him so much that he thought it was a car that had come from a nearby road
00:07:46He had lost his way and was heading towards him.
00:07:48To such an extent that he says he climbed onto the fountain because he thought it was going to run him over.
00:07:52But suddenly he saw that everything was turning into day.
00:07:55A large, brightly lit artifact appeared behind the pine trees.
00:08:01It stood there for several minutes until it suddenly flew off in a northerly direction.
00:08:08And perhaps the most important thing was not the cases themselves, which later became commonplace after the so-called
00:08:12Spanish wave of 1968.
00:08:15Instead, a prestigious newspaper, ABC, dedicated a section to the world of UFOs with a prominent correspondent.
00:08:22in the world of UFOs.
00:08:22A year later, Carlos Murciano had another brilliant idea.
00:08:25The plan was to interview national and international researchers who could provide key information on this matter.
00:08:31And so, following the epigraph, following the trail of the flying saucers, in 1969, as I say, a series began
00:08:39of legendary talks.
00:08:41Paul Mirraki, for example, the great French researcher, suggested that what the prophet Ezekiel saw was a
00:08:47UFO.
00:08:47And this was a real scandal.
00:08:48Priests like Father Antonio Felices from Valladolid asserted that there were cases, for example, in the province of Valladolid.
00:08:56Marius Lleguet, many of the things that have been proven today, water on Mars, the possibility of life, he did not predict.
00:09:03Marius Lleguet in that distant year.
00:09:05These interviews marked a time.
00:09:08Carlos Murciano, ABC, as we would say, one of the fundamental pieces of the history of UFOs in Spain.
00:09:13Our tribute, our remembrance for that teacher, Carlos Murciano.
00:09:16And now, listen up Carmen, you who love all this jewelry stuff, you're going to see the jewel
00:09:21perhaps the strangest of the 20th century.
00:09:23You'll see, you'll see.
00:09:26It has a whole story behind it.
00:09:30Shipwrecks, Nazis, Freemasons, betrayals.
00:09:34And we are fortunate that this jewel came from a high-security safe and that a gemologist
00:09:41is examining it for us.
00:09:44You will see the secret behind the traitor's emblem.
00:10:15I can confirm that this is one of the most spectacular stories I have ever heard.
00:10:18And I hope they fall in love with her as we have.
00:10:21The feeling, the perception that reality and fiction are very closely linked and that often, as we always say, it is
00:10:28reality surpasses it in strangeness.
00:10:31It's a story about a jewel.
00:10:33That jewel that you have seen being patiently examined by one of our guests, Antonio Nolasco, director of the Gemological Institute of Madrid.
00:10:41I was examining her because she has a secret and a mystery that we want to reveal to you.
00:10:45We are going to introduce a group of friends and with their help we are going to tell, to narrate this story that
00:10:50It leads us to a near-storm, to what could have been a shipwreck,
00:10:55to a kind of strange individuals of perhaps Germanic origin asking for help.
00:11:02And all of this has an absolutely real basis.
00:11:05We have with us Juan Carlos González, who is the director of Casa del Libro, a true institution in Galicia,
00:11:11in Vigo specifically.
00:11:13Juan Carlos, welcome, thank you very much.
00:11:15Good night.
00:11:15A story that involves your own family, which has become fiction, but is absolutely
00:11:21real, which has to do with your own father.
00:11:25Your father was on a patrol boat, tell us, at that moment when he saw some people adrift.
00:11:31What year are we talking about?
00:11:33Well, around the year 41 or 42.
00:11:36He was doing his military service, and, well, the service they did was patrolling the Strait.
00:11:44of Gibraltar.
00:11:44Then, during one of those patrols, they discover a raft, a small boat, as we would say today, with four people inside.
00:11:54And, well, they come to the aid of these people and their surprise is that these people are, of course,
00:12:01They're neither Spanish nor Moroccan, are they?
00:12:03So, judging by their physical appearance, they were more of the Nordic or Germanic type, weren't they? German.
00:12:08And, well, they rescue these four people from the raft, bring them on board, and there's nobody else on the boat
00:12:16of the Spanish Navy, in this case, spoke a language other than Spanish
00:12:22And nobody on board that raft spoke any language other than their own, right?
00:12:26We understand that it was the law.
00:12:28And then, sort of like that, through gestures and making themselves understood, these gentlemen ask that
00:12:36They leave them on the Moroccan coast, on the opposite coast, right?
00:12:42Assuming, my father said, assuming that what he intended was to reach the White House and, that is, the escape towards
00:12:47South America, right?
00:12:49And so they do. I don't know why, but they pool together a few pesetas, which they would carry between them all while they were doing that.
00:12:57the service
00:12:57and they leave them somewhere along the Moroccan coast.
00:13:00And that's where this story ends. My father, then, continued his military service, finished it, and...
00:13:08They absolutely did not want to be left in Spain, did they?
00:13:11No, they seemed to be insisting on the Moroccan coast.
00:13:15Well, this is the first scene, which might be more or less peculiar, but we're talking about a time of
00:13:21Absolute tension, evident.
00:13:23And these individuals are asking, please, to be taken to Morocco. What were they fleeing from?
00:13:29The story is going to get more complicated. Follow it closely.
00:13:32The person who has turned this absolutely real experience, I repeat, into an absolutely successful book,
00:13:40He won the novel prize, the last Ciudad de Torrevieja novel prize, the emblem of the traitor.
00:13:46He is one of our national bestsellers, Juan Gómez Jurado.
00:13:49Juan, good evening, welcome.
00:13:51Good evening, thank you very much.
00:13:53I know you've become incredibly obsessed with this story.
00:13:56I'm going to tell you a little secret.
00:13:57Juan was engaged in other literary conjectures and suddenly came across the story of that jewel,
00:14:04the traitor's emblem.
00:14:06He runs into the director of the Vigo bookstore,
00:14:09that one night puts that jewel in front of you and continues the story of that shipwreck.
00:14:15And you, of course, immediately immerse yourself, quite literally, in this amazing case.
00:14:20The truth is, well, first of all I want to remind myself, before I forget the fact,
00:14:25This week marks the 70th anniversary of that March of 1941.
00:14:31in which, well, we place or understand that the rescue of the shipwrecked takes place
00:14:38Because, well, this is a family experience and we don't know the exact date,
00:14:43But we believe that it is precisely this week when those 70 years are celebrated.
00:14:48Nothing is a coincidence, you know that.
00:14:49Yes, it's something I was even thinking about in the taxi on the way to the studio, right?
00:14:53Because it dawned on me just as I was about to get out of the car, and I said to myself,
00:14:56But it's precisely now, isn't it? This 70th anniversary, isn't it?
00:15:01Well, indeed, one night in 2006,
00:15:05Juan Carlos's father had just died a few months earlier.
00:15:09Juan Carlos's father was a bookseller and between the two of us, well, we started to remember him.
00:15:13Well, he started telling me about himself, about his career path,
00:15:17Well, I've dedicated my whole life to the bookstore; we weren't really talking about books.
00:15:22Then, behind Juan Carlos's face, a small light passed by,
00:15:26a little flash and he told me, well, but actually my father also had a story behind it.
00:15:33Then he showed me a photo, a photo of that emblem we have back there,
00:15:37a photo taken with a photocopier, I didn't really attach much importance to it and I say,
00:15:43Look, do you want to know what this is?
00:15:45And I said, well, I think it's a Masonic emblem, indeed, yes.
00:15:50We'll talk about the authenticity of the emblem later.
00:15:54But as soon as Juan Carlos started telling me who had given it to his father
00:15:58And under what circumstances, and I started, I started at that moment to visualize a novel there behind it, right?
00:16:04Here's a story that needed to be told, and then there was even the research itself.
00:16:09It made me, well, go much further than what initially seemed to be there at first glance.
00:16:16Juan, then, this amazing emblem we have there,
00:16:19I want to thank you, Juan Carlos, for giving us a physical copy.
00:16:21Because it's not the same telling this story, well, with some props,
00:16:26that they may be captivated by the mystery of that jewel, that they may discover how important it can be.
00:16:33That emblem appears in the story at what moment, when one of those shipwrecked men,
00:16:38They were also saved by Juan Carlos's father, who later became a bookseller,
00:16:44Perhaps with a gesture of, let's say, grace, right?
00:16:47Because those individuals would logically have to be arrested or taken to the Spanish coast.
00:16:52They want to escape and they accomplish that goal.
00:16:54And does one of those shipwrecked men, one in particular, give him that gift or not?
00:16:59What's really going on?
00:17:00Well, as Juan Carlos has explained, before disembarking from the Spanish army patrol boat,
00:17:07In my novel, the leader of the shipwrecked men hands him the emblem.
00:17:12But in reality it's much more complicated.
00:17:15Even as a writer, when I was tackling this story, I had to restrain myself.
00:17:21I somehow had to rein in what I was saying,
00:17:26Because, as I said, if I tell it exactly as it happened, nobody will believe it.
00:17:29That's the key.
00:17:30Of course, nobody could believe it, right?
00:18:11A fiction writer like Juan Gómez Jurado, who has had many international successes,
00:18:17He had to change the reality because he said, nobody is going to believe it, it's time to tell the truth.
00:18:22Those men disappear from the life of the sailor, of Juan Carlos's father.
00:18:27Well, they helped those shipwrecked people, possibly Germans, right in the middle of wartime.
00:18:32We continue with our story, the real story.
00:18:35We're leaving, I think ten years later, Juan Carlos, and we're going many thousands of kilometers away, to Bolivia.
00:18:41I think we even have some impressive photos from, that's right, deep in the jungle.
00:18:46Who is your father?
00:18:47Yes, yes, yes.
00:18:48This one right here.
00:18:49There it is.
00:18:50That's on the slopes of Mount Jimani, near La Paz, in Bolivia, right?
00:18:55After a journey, he leaves for South America, driven by a thirst for adventure and a search for a future and riches.
00:19:04And after passing through several South American countries, about ten or eleven years after this event,
00:19:10He and four other Spaniards buy a concession for a gold mine, for the exploitation of a mine of
00:19:15gold,
00:19:15at two thousand and some meters high on Mount Jimani, as I said before.
00:19:19And while in La Paz, in the city itself, one day, having a drink with my colleagues and chatting,
00:19:28At that place, in that bar, and at that precise moment, a person approaches from behind,
00:19:33He touches my father's shoulder and says, "You don't remember me, but I remember you."
00:19:37I remember you.
00:19:38The person, my father said, spoke Spanish, but with a strange accent, right?
00:19:43And then my father corroborates his statement, saying, indeed, I don't know who you are.
00:19:47And he says to him, you weren't on a ship in the Strait of Gibraltar in '41 and
00:19:52you rescued,
00:19:53And he says, well, I was on board that raft, wasn't I?
00:19:57Or your father at that moment, I'm imagining the face of the sea bass farmer Pereira,
00:20:02Ten years later in Bolivia, twelve thousand kilometers from the site of that shipwreck,
00:20:06who, by the way, risked their lives, because ultimately they led some fugitives of unknown origin to
00:20:14another place,
00:20:14They saved them when they could have handed them over.
00:20:17I imagine that the sailor Pereira had compassion; something happened to him that made him save those men.
00:20:22And that guy, that man, that blond man with the strange accent, appears to him twelve thousand kilometers away in a
00:20:27Peace bar.
00:20:28Of course, your father, I imagine, I don't know if he thought I was following him these ten years.
00:20:32Of course, because otherwise, how would you meet up? What are the chances of meeting the same person in Bolivia?
00:20:37That's what we were talking about that night, right? About how coincidences don't exist, except for this one I'm about to tell you, right?
00:20:44And that's when I told him about, well, this huge coincidence, right?
00:20:47So perhaps it's the exception that proves the rule, isn't it?
00:20:51That's how the conversation started, right?
00:20:52That coincidences don't exist.
00:20:54They meet. We also present, of course, very attentively, who is now going to tell us the other side of this story,
00:20:59And our colleague Santiago Camacho. Santi, good evening.
00:21:01Good night.
00:21:02And we say hello again; you saw her working earlier, because later we'll have to physically decipher the enigmas of that emblem.
00:21:08so strange.
00:21:09Antonio Nolasco, director of the Gemological Institute of Madrid. Good evening, Antonio.
00:21:13Good evening, thank you very much.
00:21:17Pereira finds the man who saved his life.
00:21:23Are they talking? What are they saying? What do you know, Juan?
00:21:26Well, to begin with, I also want to be surprised with you during that exciting moment, right?
00:21:32In other words, like someone you've seen, well, during the brief transit between Cádiz and Morocco,
00:21:36which are very brief hours, at night, in a storm, wearing a raincoat, as this gentleman has dressed me,
00:21:43Well, he's just recognized you, hasn't he?
00:21:47That is, 11 years later, 6,000 kilometers away.
00:21:49It's incredible.
00:21:49That's why I couldn't include it in the novel and had to tone it down a bit.
00:21:53The tone in the opening scene, right?
00:21:57Then, at that moment, when they put their hand on González Pereira's shoulder,
00:22:02He turns around and finds himself face to face with this tall, gaunt, thin foreigner,
00:22:07dressed in a black suit and with a black cape covering his shoulders,
00:22:11I can almost feel the fear that Juan Carlos's father must have felt at that moment,
00:22:16But I feel even more surprised, because I'm not happy about that, he told her,
00:22:20Today I come to you to ask you to do me another favor.
00:22:21Another favor?
00:22:22Another favor, I mean, you've already saved my life, but you also have to do me another favor.
00:22:26And I want you to lend me 100 dollars, 100 dollars from the year, well, from the early 1950s,
00:22:30That's already a lot of money to order a drink at a bar these days, imagine, well, what it was like 60 years ago, right?
00:22:37And as a token, I'm going to leave you this gold emblem and I'll return the money to you tomorrow, I'll give it to you
00:22:44I promise.
00:22:45Don't worry, I'll be here tomorrow morning; they're going to spend the night in La
00:22:49Peace.
00:22:50Of course, he gave him the money, and of course he never saw that man again.
00:22:55But it did remain etched in his mind, in the mind of Juan Carlos's father,
00:22:59That last phrase, "take good care of it because it's more valuable than you think," really stuck with you, didn't it?
00:23:04He told her that. And then it also seems, Juan Carlos, that after that garment was handed over,
00:23:10that mysterious emblem of the traitor, by the same man she had seen 11 years earlier,
00:23:16A series of riots also occur in La Paz, and in the end your father has to flee the country with
00:23:22all the colleagues.
00:23:23That's curious too.
00:23:24They fly out of the country shortly after.
00:23:27Well, the moment Paz is alone, he rises to power in Bolivia and somehow...
00:23:34all these foreign concessions,
00:23:36In this case it was a very small thing, but there were large Canadian, American, and Swedish concessions, weren't there?
00:23:41The big mining companies are expelled from the country, and in a violent way, too, huh?
00:23:45I mean, they really do run away. In fact, my father told me they escape thanks to an American concession they had.
00:23:52Your own small plane, right?
00:23:54So, your father, seeking his dream of wealth in Bolivia, leaves because of a revolt,
00:23:59But at least he leaves with the strange emblem in his hand, right?
00:24:02Indeed.
00:24:02But you were just barely throwing the dynamite cartridges down the hillside, you remember, weren't you?
00:24:07In other words, because the bullets were whizzing past their ears.
00:24:09They have to include, they are leaving Bolivia, the extended peace revolution,
00:24:16He leaves with that one, knowing that, of course, he is taking something important with him or not.
00:24:21What did your father know about this emblem at that time?
00:24:24I believe that at that time either nothing or very little, because the only thing he was able to identify
00:24:32after,
00:24:32Over time, it turned out to be of Masonic origin, wasn't it?
00:24:35From a Masonic jewel of the 32nd rank, as the jewel clearly shows us.
00:24:41But I don't know if he had access to that information at that time, did he?
00:24:45Leaving Bolivia, then in Colombia, already settled, and perhaps with more time,
00:24:50Yes, you would consult books or experts, and they would give you that information, right?
00:24:54She never sees the strange individual again, never.
00:24:56Never, never again.
00:24:57Your father becomes one of the most important books in Spain,
00:25:01He's a great connoisseur of the book world, but he always keeps that emblem under lock and key, doesn't he?
00:25:05Yes, indeed, he has it separate.
00:25:07When he arrived in Spain, he actually became more of a book distributor than a bookseller.
00:25:13But he does maintain, even from Colombia he maintains his connection, his link with books.
00:25:18But yes, he keeps this hidden away, and then this appears in my life
00:25:22When I was around 14, 13, 14 years old,
00:25:26who somehow dares to tell us this incredible story, right?
00:25:31So difficult to convey with everything you're capable of realizing right now when you're younger, isn't it?
00:25:38And, well, she tells us what it's about, she tells us where the jewel comes from.
00:25:42And we're seeing it for the first time, aren't we?
00:25:44It seems to us, at home, absolutely magical and totally different, doesn't it?
00:25:49Nothing like what we knew.
00:25:51What did he think of the individual years later, Juan Carlos, when he spoke with you?
00:25:55What interpretation did she give to meeting that man who asked her for a favor again?
00:25:59Careful, he grants it, which is another mystery, isn't it?
00:26:02Well.
00:26:02He not only saves his life, but also gives him $100.
00:26:04He says that he is surrounded by a permanent aura of surprise,
00:26:09even when he finds peace, he leaves it, he asks for the money,
00:26:13which is another reason for surprise.
00:26:14So, tomorrow, where are you? I'll go to the hotel where you are, give you your money back, and you give me yours back.
00:26:20the jewel.
00:26:21Well, of course, what do you answer?
00:26:22Yes, yes, and in this one, yes, that person disappears, right?
00:26:25So, no, he really couldn't establish any connection, right?
00:26:28Unless that individual, for some reason, handed it over, knowing that he was going to save the traitor's emblem,
00:26:35to your father, who saved his life, so that he might save the emblem.
00:26:38Okay, and in the emblem we see, in the emblem we see,
00:26:43Antonio, first plan, is it more normal than it might seem?
00:26:49Isn't that more normal? I'd like you to write to the public.
00:26:52They have it there, the original, which Juan Carlos has taken out of a safe in Galicia.
00:26:59Have you seen anything like this?
00:27:02The iconography is very representative of the era to which it belongs.
00:27:07What we can analyze at the institute, and what has been analyzed here in the study,
00:27:12The thing is, the piece itself, its composition, in my opinion, leaves no doubt whatsoever that it is
00:27:19its original.
00:27:20A handcrafted product, with a very elaborate type of work, engravings,
00:27:27the double-headed eagle very well represented, the diamond mounting itself,
00:27:32and also a piece of different compositions, since when it opens, inside it has another series of marks with
00:27:39enamels and other things.
00:27:41It's truly a very interesting piece to study.
00:27:44Obviously, the circumstances of being able to study this piece in depth do not allow it in the studio.
00:27:51I have invited Juan Carlos to come to the institute soon so that I can carry out further tests on him.
00:27:56A metallography would be very interesting, not only the analysis of the metals that make up the jewelry,
00:28:03I believe, based on what I've been told, that the fact that it was made of gold, if it was an Amazonian piece, was something exceptional.
00:28:10It was something very strange.
00:28:11It gives the impression that it has a face to show off that iron cross,
00:28:14and another side where that 32 suddenly appears.
00:28:17Santi, on a symbolic level, at the level of Freemasonry, which seems to also play an important role,
00:28:22What could we read there, not in the material world, but precisely in that other world of the secret society?
00:28:27Indeed, we are faced with what appears to be a kind of mystification between a German decoration and an Amazonian emblem.
00:28:39And indeed, if it had been a pure Amazonian emblem, it could not have been made of gold in any way.
00:28:45The Freemasons consider precious metals too pretentious for Amazonian humility.
00:28:53And so, they use things like brass, which is much more common in their emblems.
00:28:59We see something that is important, we are going to see it at a 32.
00:29:01The 32nd is the prince of the real secret, he is the penultimate, in reality he is the last Amazonian degree,
00:29:08Because level 33 is, let's say, a bonus, something that is added to level 32, it is, let's say,
00:29:17a degree of excellence,
00:29:19But we are therefore thinking that the person for whom this emblem was made must have possessed, therefore
00:29:26so much so, that range.
00:29:28In any case, well, just like the Amazonian symbolism is quite evident,
00:29:37Any expert in Amazonian symbology will tell you that it is an attempt at reproduction.
00:29:43It would be an Amazonian symbolism, or false or perverse, to put it some way.
00:29:49Okay, so at this point, why? Why this connection between Nazi symbols and Freemasonry?
00:29:55In other words, Juan starts investigating when he learns the story of the sailor Pereira, and of his son, who teaches him
00:30:01this emblem,
00:30:02You start investigating and begin to consult with different specialists.
00:30:05They start telling you how important this jewel is to the Freemasons, whom we will later learn were exterminated.
00:30:12And not only that, but also the very important symbolic monetary value that this jewel may have, if that is what
00:30:17It seems possible.
00:30:19Another one of those things happens, let's say by chance, which it isn't, right?
00:30:23It's like a Freemason suddenly appears at the Vigo Bookstore to present a book.
00:30:29A Freemasonry expert who sees the photo of the jewel says it's fake, as Santi has said.
00:30:38one moment,
00:30:39But at the same time he says, well, but he makes Juan Carlos a financial offer, a high financial offer.
00:30:44Directly.
00:30:44He says directly, well, I'll buy it out of curiosity.
00:30:47So, of course, Juan Carlos, who wasn't born yesterday, naturally tells him no.
00:30:52Because it's never a good idea to sell something without knowing what it costs, or what you can ask for it.
00:30:56But that gives me a clue, I mean, well, it's curious, I mean, I could believe that
00:31:02it was a fake jewel,
00:31:03But what I couldn't believe was that an expert would be willing to pay money for it.
00:31:07Well, I start investigating, I travel to Paris, I travel to Berlin, I travel to Frankfurt, sorry, to Munich,
00:31:13And in each of those places I speak with experts in international Freemasonry.
00:31:18You're going with the photo, right?
00:31:19Exactly, with the photo, the only photo Juan Carlos left me, which was, well, that photo taken with
00:31:24a color photocopier,
00:31:26Then later, well, more photos were taken, like this one you see here, when things got more interesting.
00:31:32shape, right?
00:31:32With such a poor photo, I went from expert to expert asking, and they all told me the same thing as Santi.
00:31:40In other words, this is very interesting but it's false, until in Munich one of those experts tells me,
00:31:47Well, it's false, or maybe not, because, and then he falls silent, and I say, let's see, you have to
00:31:55tell me, dare you.
00:31:56"You can't keep quiet," he says. "Well, this is something we don't really like to talk about."
00:32:00to the people,
00:32:02Well, we belong to Freemasonry, but there's an old Masonic legend that says,
00:32:08And now we're going to separate what I'm about to tell you into two parts, one part which is the
00:32:13real and something else that is false.
00:32:15The truth is that 80,000 Freemasons were exterminated in concentration camps since Hitler came to power
00:32:22until the year 36.
00:32:24And in record time, too.
00:32:26I mean, it's incredible how Hitler rose to power in such a short period of time.
00:32:31He immediately entrusted Reinhard Heydrich, his intended successor and the great successor to Hitler,
00:32:37He orders him to eliminate the Freemasons.
00:32:40Heydrich, in turn, passed the task on to a young clerk from the Chau concentration camp,
00:32:47to whom he gives this commission, a commission that seemed impossible.
00:32:50This young pen-pusher, who was, well, an office worker, was named Adolf Eichmann,
00:32:56and Adolf Eichmann, without anyone quite knowing how, because he was a person of less than virtuous origins,
00:33:03Nor was he particularly well-connected, in absolutely record time,
00:33:06Get the names of the 80,000 most important people in Germany,
00:33:12Because we must not forget that the Freemasons were people who belonged to the nobility,
00:33:16to the highest bourgeoisie, to the highest strata of power.
00:33:21An important detail is that Freemasonry, as everyone knows, is involved,
00:33:25and it was shrouded in a kind of secrecy.
00:33:27How is it possible to have 80,000 names, let's say, the next day?
00:33:31Indeed, in the space of just a few months,
00:33:34Adolf Eichmann manages to fill out index cards with names, affiliations,
00:33:39including positions held by all these Freemasons, something that seems impossible to me at first glance.
00:33:44We enter the realm of legend.
00:33:45The Freemasons say, there is an old Masonic legend that says,
00:33:49that there was a Freemason, a very high-ranking Freemason,
00:33:52who sold out all the Freemasons through Adolf Eichmann,
00:33:57He sold them to the Nazi party,
00:33:59and that as a reward for such a terrible betrayal,
00:34:04Adolf Hitler made him an emblem of gold and diamonds.
00:34:09which in some way parodied its authentic Masonic emblem.
00:34:13The traitor's emblem.
00:34:14The traitor's emblem.
00:34:16And there are also those who say that the jewel is on the eagle's chest
00:34:22belonged to Hitler's own family,
00:34:25to a pendant that had been his niece,
00:34:28his niece and lover, Jeli Raubal,
00:34:30that it had become unpaired and that Hitler gave it to him.
00:34:33Like a kind of macabre joke, a private joke.
00:34:38I think Antonio also confirmed it off-mic earlier.
00:34:41that the diamond had been reused,
00:34:45In other words, it had been embedded there from somewhere else.
00:34:48Can you tell us that, Antonio?
00:34:49That diamond, let's say, somehow...
00:34:51Yes, the carving of the stone predates the period in which we believe this piece was made.
00:35:00I estimate that, based on the type of cut of this diamond, we are around 1880-1890.
00:35:07Did your father, Juan Carlos, ever suspect that he could be the emblem of a traitor?
00:35:13of the legendary Mason discussed in many studies, books,
00:35:17who sold out the Freemasons and caused 80,000 deaths?
00:35:20No never.
00:35:22Never.
00:35:22Never, never, no way.
00:35:23Never, never, never.
00:36:18Never, never.
00:36:23If this were true, if this were real, if you could authenticate it
00:36:27and put it up for auction, always, of course, a private one,
00:36:31with microphones, that is, by telephone, in a partner, in a partner, in a Christis,
00:36:36I dare say that I could easily reach one million dollars.
00:36:39That legend of the traitor to the Freemasons, Santi,
00:36:44Is there any further information that can corroborate it?
00:36:46Because what is certain is that what can surprise us,
00:36:49Of course, the story about the crematorium ovens has been told,
00:36:53But long before that, almost 100,000 Freemasons were stoned.
00:36:57Why was Hitler obsessed?
00:37:01Hitler considered the Freemason to be an ally of the Jew.
00:37:07an ally of the American capitalists, and of all their great enemies,
00:37:10And in his great paranoia, which was the political system he organized,
00:37:14He was one of the enemies to be defeated.
00:37:18Notice what Juan tells us about the tremendous economic value of the jewel,
00:37:22Nothing would surprise me for a very simple reason.
00:37:25German Freemasons are extremely aware
00:37:28and tremendously proud of their holocaust.
00:37:31So much so that they have an emblem that is exclusive to German Freemasonry,
00:37:35which is the forget-me-not, which is a small, tiny blue flower,
00:37:39which they wear in the form of a badge.
00:37:41Normally, the beat is kept with the G and things like that.
00:37:45To distinguish themselves, they wear that forget-me-not.
00:37:47And it is in memory of those Freemasons who fell during Hitler's regime.
00:37:52Do they believe there was a traitor?
00:37:55They, indeed, as my good Juan has also said,
00:37:57They don't like to talk at all,
00:37:58because of the history of Masonic persecution in Germany
00:38:01It's a story of heroes, villains, and cowards.
00:38:04and possibly, indeed, from a traitor.
00:38:09Between 1933 and 1935,
00:38:12Not all Freemasons turned against Hitler as a bloc, for example,
00:38:15There are entire lodges that compromise,
00:38:18who even leave Freemasonry
00:38:21and they become known as national lodges,
00:38:26eliminating any kind of allusion to Judaism, etc.
00:38:31The case of the lodge of the three orbs,
00:38:34the Frederick the Great Lodge,
00:38:35They are lodges that try to survive in that way,
00:38:38although they also don't care at all, just like the others.
00:38:41Well, they're just as proud of that part.
00:38:42of the history of Nazism,
00:38:45They are terribly ashamed of those brothers
00:38:48who at one point wanted to flee
00:38:50or they were willing to compromise with Nazism
00:38:52And everything is handled with the utmost discretion.
00:38:55So, as of today,
00:38:56sixty-odd years later,
00:38:58Nobody knows the traitor's exact name,
00:39:00Perhaps what motivated this.
00:39:02History holds so many secrets, doesn't it?
00:39:03What does that jewel know that we don't know now?
00:39:05If you want to know more,
00:39:07our friend's novel.
00:39:08Thank you so much.
00:39:08Truly, everyone, it's a pleasure.
00:39:10Now we continue with much more content.
00:39:13Some are also related to the shadow of the Nazis
00:39:15That needs to be said, right?
00:39:16They have left us so many treasures in terms of mystery,
00:39:19in quotation marks.
00:39:20For example, did you know that in Gibraltar,
00:39:22In Gibraltar, apart from countless stories
00:39:25that we do not know,
00:39:25that have to do with pure and simple mystery,
00:39:27It's curious because even in the official brochures
00:39:31from the highest authorities of Gibraltar,
00:39:33a curious world,
00:39:35They talk, for example, about ghosts,
00:39:36of apparitions,
00:39:37But there is something else, much more physical,
00:39:39It's the underground tunnels of Gibraltar.
00:39:42Tunnels, in this case,
00:39:43against the Nazis who are still there
00:39:44and they have been filmed by our team.
00:39:47Do you want to meet him?
00:39:48We started the expedition.
00:39:58The profile of the Great Rock that crowns Gibraltar
00:40:01It is one of the typical sights of the south of the Iberian Peninsula.
00:40:09Visited by hundreds of thousands of tourists every year
00:40:12and by countless merchants,
00:40:14Few of those who reach this place
00:40:16They know his incredible mysterious side.
00:40:20Advance!
00:40:22Grogeus Cade!
00:40:23At the entrance to the Governor's Palace,
00:40:25for centuries,
00:40:26the same ceremony is repeated,
00:40:28the changing of the guard.
00:40:30Inside this building,
00:40:32However, there is a reality
00:40:34very different from what the walkers experience.
00:40:40For centuries,
00:40:42There is talk of the appearance of a specter
00:40:43which terrifies some of its tenants.
00:40:46The ghost of an old nun,
00:40:49now known as the Grey Lady.
00:41:02It's true,
00:41:03There, people speak with a mysterious naturalness.
00:41:05of this nun.
00:41:06He's like just another resident
00:41:07inside that palace
00:41:09that currently
00:41:10held by the governor of Gibraltar.
00:41:12There the workers,
00:41:14the security guard,
00:41:16the governor's own personal assistant,
00:41:19talk about that nun
00:41:20as if it were someone else
00:41:21from that governor's palace
00:41:24and it attracts attention
00:41:25well, that naturalness
00:41:26and above all also
00:41:27that in that pamphlet
00:41:29or in that little book
00:41:31that they give to visitors
00:41:32They speak of the Lady in Grey,
00:41:34of that 16th-century nun
00:41:36as something normal
00:41:37and it's very shocking
00:41:39because here in Spain
00:41:40logically it would be saved
00:41:41much more silence
00:41:43that's what's going on there in Gibraltar.
00:41:46There is some controversy.
00:41:48about identity
00:41:50that embodies this specter
00:41:51but almost all scholars
00:41:53They tell us about an old Spanish noblewoman
00:41:57Alithea of Lucerne
00:41:59a maiden
00:42:00who was imprisoned
00:42:02in a convent in Gibraltar
00:42:03becoming a novice against her will
00:42:05for maintaining a romantic relationship
00:42:08with a commoner
00:42:09Silvanus's name.
00:42:12His faithful lover
00:42:13however
00:42:13He was unable to forget her
00:42:15and entered the convent
00:42:17of the Franciscans
00:42:18which is today
00:42:19governor's palace.
00:42:22At Mass
00:42:23and in the confessional
00:42:24they could see
00:42:24and there
00:42:25secretly
00:42:26They planned their escape.
00:42:29But Humbert of Lucerne
00:42:31brother of Alitea
00:42:32along with a group of men
00:42:34He managed to catch up with them
00:42:35when these were
00:42:37already sailing
00:42:38through the strait.
00:42:40They cleared a leak
00:42:41Apparently they found out
00:42:43they had planned
00:42:44to take a boat
00:42:45and cross
00:42:45the strait
00:42:47and get out of the way
00:42:48But they arrested him
00:42:50They seized the boat
00:42:51with the two of them on board
00:42:52he mysteriously
00:42:54fell into the water
00:42:54and drowned
00:42:55And what bad luck!
00:42:56and her
00:42:57They brought her back
00:42:58and they took her
00:42:59to the Franciscan convent
00:43:01which was
00:43:01the greatest
00:43:03the most important
00:43:04as we would say
00:43:06the center of jurisdiction
00:43:07of the church
00:43:08in Gibraltar
00:43:09then
00:43:09and they judged her
00:43:11Well
00:43:11They brought charges against him
00:43:12but like the church
00:43:13It doesn't kill anyone
00:43:14nor hangs
00:43:15nor did it burn
00:43:16or anything
00:43:19they sentenced her
00:43:20to be
00:43:20walled
00:43:21or sandwiched
00:43:29the first documents
00:43:31that exist
00:43:32about these episodes
00:43:33supernatural
00:43:34in the governor's palace
00:43:35They date from 1838
00:43:37and were drafted
00:43:39by the commander
00:43:40Richard Hort
00:43:42his last appearance
00:43:43took place
00:43:44in the year 2007
00:43:45no more, no less
00:43:47that during
00:43:48an official dinner
00:43:49in the middle of the banquet
00:43:51a diplomat
00:43:52from the island of Malta
00:43:53he could see
00:43:54the mysterious specter
00:43:56It already happened
00:43:57at the end of dinner
00:43:58fell
00:43:59an apple
00:44:00from the center
00:44:02from the table
00:44:02fell
00:44:03at the table
00:44:03and everyone
00:44:05He looked towards the center
00:44:06and we discussed
00:44:07the rhythms
00:44:08and the lady
00:44:09I was sitting
00:44:11next to me
00:44:11he tells me
00:44:11there is a spirit
00:44:15in the convent
00:44:16then I told him
00:44:18Yeah
00:44:18there is a spirit
00:44:19many people
00:44:21have they seen something
00:44:22And they tell me
00:44:23this lady
00:44:24wear gray
00:44:26a very young guy
00:44:28very pretty
00:44:29with long black hair
00:44:30then I said
00:44:31Yeah
00:44:33They call him
00:44:34the grey lady
00:44:35the woman
00:44:37gray
00:44:38then he tells me
00:44:40she
00:44:40Well
00:44:40has happened
00:44:41behind me
00:44:42it has gone down
00:44:43at the table
00:44:44and has thrown
00:44:44the apple
00:44:45But if someone
00:44:47suffered this type
00:44:48of appearances
00:44:48There were several
00:44:50of the employees
00:44:50of the official building
00:44:52a few decades ago
00:44:53one of its former
00:44:55female workers
00:44:56Lourdes Ayala
00:44:57He had several experiences
00:44:59in which he was able
00:45:00contemplate
00:45:01the inexplicable
00:45:02we were talking
00:45:03and then
00:45:05one of my colleagues
00:45:07saw something happen
00:45:08in front of
00:45:09but to the one in the vegetable garden
00:45:11what we saw
00:45:12what he saw
00:45:13We all three of us saw it.
00:45:14and we kept running
00:45:15It was a silhouette
00:45:17but lifted off the ground
00:45:19pretty good
00:45:21who was a person
00:45:22but lifted off the ground
00:45:23We keep running
00:45:26during the years
00:45:27that this Gibraltarian
00:45:28provided his services
00:45:30at the residence
00:45:31from the governor
00:45:31he did not consider any more
00:45:33the spectrum
00:45:34of the well known
00:45:34as a lady in gray
00:45:35But he did live.
00:45:37other facts
00:45:38that intrigued her
00:45:39for life
00:45:41even with the mother
00:45:42sick
00:45:42from one of the old
00:45:44governors of the Rock
00:45:45He lived through a dramatic scene
00:45:47that he could never forget
00:45:48she was getting lazy
00:45:50the light dimmed
00:45:50And she was telling me light
00:45:52of goat
00:45:54with what
00:45:55I was alone with her
00:45:56He didn't have to wait for me
00:45:57that she fell asleep
00:45:58completely
00:45:59and then I went out alone
00:46:00out
00:46:01now the light
00:46:02He was getting better
00:46:03after
00:46:04the light was rising
00:46:06he stayed
00:46:06I was already getting used to it
00:46:08and I was going outside
00:46:08when she fell asleep
00:46:09but the palace
00:46:11from the governor
00:46:12It's not the only place
00:46:13of Gibraltar
00:46:14in which it occurs
00:46:15quote the unusual
00:46:17beneath the surface
00:46:18of the rock
00:46:19they have been excavated
00:46:20during different eras
00:46:21more than 50 kilometers
00:46:23of tunnels
00:46:24a Gibraltar
00:46:26completely unknown
00:46:27during World War II
00:46:29thousands of Spanish operators
00:46:31coordinated with the British army
00:46:33They traveled more than 50 kilometers
00:46:35from the underground gallery
00:46:37below the famous rock
00:46:38The strange thing is that they died here
00:46:40more than 100 people
00:46:41and that in this place
00:46:42have also been seen
00:46:43strange phenomena
00:46:44Hospitals were built here
00:46:46and barracks
00:46:47so that thousands of soldiers
00:46:48endured for months
00:46:50the possible siege
00:46:51of the Nazi troops
00:46:52a whole unknown world
00:46:54which we will now show you
00:46:55And then we were working
00:47:16in this tunnel
00:47:17on this ship
00:47:18and I was up there
00:47:20on a staircase
00:47:21and suddenly
00:47:23I see that
00:47:24the groups that were
00:47:25working with us
00:47:26that they were somewhere else
00:47:28I see that they are leaving
00:47:31And I check the time
00:47:32say
00:47:33It's already 10 o'clock
00:47:34I'm going to take
00:47:35It's already going down too
00:47:36but precisely
00:47:37I see myself going down
00:47:38to a person
00:47:41something
00:47:42to pass
00:47:45me for now
00:47:46I thought
00:47:46Well
00:47:46This is one
00:47:47of the colleagues
00:47:48that still remains here
00:47:51then I
00:47:51I'm going outside
00:47:52only
00:47:53And I didn't see anyone
00:47:55I get off
00:47:56to the dining room
00:47:57everyone was there
00:47:58sitting smoking
00:47:59and having coffee
00:48:00and so?
00:48:00So I go and ask him
00:48:02I to the boss
00:48:03say
00:48:03look
00:48:03There's someone up there.
00:48:04in the tunnel
00:48:05and says
00:48:06No, we're all here.
00:48:08What now?
00:48:09That remains the question.
00:48:11Who was it?
00:48:13I don't know
00:48:14It was a horror.
00:48:16a spirit
00:48:16I couldn't go
00:48:18Albert Freyon
00:48:19he worked on different occasions
00:48:21in the tunnels of the Rock
00:48:22the strange encounter
00:48:25who lived
00:48:25This caused that on the part
00:48:26of the military authority
00:48:27of the area
00:48:28had to be opened
00:48:29an investigation
00:48:30in the face of danger
00:48:31that what happened
00:48:32outside of a sabotage
00:48:34and then
00:48:35the first thing they do
00:48:36is to investigate
00:48:37which
00:48:38whatever it may be
00:48:39not one thing
00:48:40spiritual
00:48:41Let's see if you understand me.
00:48:42Well
00:48:43Someone's climbed upstairs
00:48:44a terrorist
00:48:46or someone
00:48:46by a bomb
00:48:47then at that moment
00:48:49comes the
00:48:49the military police
00:48:51which was of the races
00:48:53that they had
00:48:54in that position
00:48:55they come there
00:48:56and they begin to investigate
00:48:57to see if anyone was there
00:48:58inside
00:48:59Let's see if
00:49:00because it couldn't have slipped through
00:49:01which is impossible
00:49:01to sneak in there
00:49:02But let's go
00:49:03can
00:49:05I mean
00:49:05That's how things stood.
00:49:07I saw someone
00:49:09which was
00:49:10I don't know
00:49:11a hidden hydrator
00:49:13under the rock
00:49:14that crowns it
00:49:14whose purpose
00:49:16was to defend
00:49:17the rock
00:49:17until the very last
00:49:18breath
00:49:19of its inhabitants
00:49:20a world so full
00:49:22of mysteries
00:49:22and unknowns
00:49:23like the ones it has left us
00:49:25this trip
00:49:26for a place
00:49:27that has its own soul
00:49:39two things
00:49:40I am convinced
00:49:41that they have called
00:49:41a lot of attention
00:49:42First, the story
00:49:43of that lady in gray
00:49:44from ancient times
00:49:45and that appears
00:49:46in iconic locations
00:49:48and officers
00:49:48of Gibraltar
00:49:49and second
00:49:50that story
00:49:52of the tunnels
00:49:53of what lies beneath
00:49:54of the mythical rock
00:49:55Juanje Vallejo
00:49:56was there
00:49:57They've already seen it
00:49:57Juanje, good evening
00:49:58good night
00:49:59one important thing
00:50:00it's incomprehensible
00:50:01in Spain
00:50:02as I rightly said
00:50:03one of the guests
00:50:03That would be amazing!
00:50:04that in an official brochure
00:50:05of the government of Gibraltar
00:50:07a ghost is seen
00:50:07but as a reality
00:50:09Yeah
00:50:09Specifically it was
00:50:10the Camp Ed
00:50:11the field assistant
00:50:13from the Governor of Gibraltar
00:50:14who is captain
00:50:15of the British Army
00:50:16the one who gave me the brochure
00:50:17that is given
00:50:18to the official guests
00:50:19who go to the house
00:50:20or to tourists
00:50:21who want to go
00:50:22to the governor's palace
00:50:23which is the old
00:50:24Franciscan convent
00:50:25and the last page
00:50:26then the story appears
00:50:27Lady Grey's
00:50:28the lady in grey
00:50:29Here I have a translation
00:50:30of history
00:50:31from Alithea of Lucierna
00:50:32who is the lady
00:50:34that appears
00:50:34Well, for the first time
00:50:35in the 19th century
00:50:36and as a last time
00:50:38Well, in the year 2007
00:50:39to a diplomat
00:50:41from the island of Malta
00:50:42We are accompanied by
00:50:42because it's going to map us
00:50:44a map
00:50:44that will surprise them
00:50:45talking about tunnels
00:50:46and everything is very cold
00:50:47our doctor in anthropology
00:50:49our dear friend
00:50:50José Luis Cardero
00:50:51good night
00:50:52good night
00:50:53You have a map there.
00:50:54that you are now going to teach us
00:50:54Because there is one surprising thing
00:50:56José Luis
00:50:56below the Rock of Gibraltar
00:50:58Juanje has been
00:50:59illuminating those darknesses
00:51:01They look like authentic catacombs
00:51:03We'll see.
00:51:03clear
00:51:04I would like Juanje
00:51:05that would simply explain
00:51:06even if briefly
00:51:07some things
00:51:08some tasks
00:51:09we see a tunnel
00:51:10we see darkness
00:51:11we see moisture
00:51:12But those were hospitals.
00:51:13They were things
00:51:14a gallows
00:51:16Yeah
00:51:16Tell us
00:51:17We need to differentiate between the tunnels
00:51:19in two parts
00:51:19one that has
00:51:20a few kilometers
00:51:22travel
00:51:22which is what people are watching
00:51:23on the monitor now
00:51:24which is the part that is done
00:51:26for the great siege
00:51:27that Gibraltar suffers
00:51:28for four years
00:51:29by Spanish military personnel
00:51:31It's been a couple of centuries already
00:51:32and in that area
00:51:34that gives, let's say
00:51:35to the Spanish part of the Rock
00:51:37because it had to be excavated
00:51:38so I can put batteries there
00:51:40Of course
00:51:41what happens
00:51:41It's because in that area
00:51:43because he had taken up a lookout post
00:51:45when that great siege ends
00:51:46which lasts four years
00:51:47and right at the entrance to the rock
00:51:50anyone
00:51:51that he committed a crime
00:51:53was a gallows
00:51:54and barred
00:51:55in a cage
00:51:56so that it would rot
00:51:57before the eyes
00:51:58of anyone
00:51:59that he entered the rock
00:52:00and then a second phase
00:52:01where is that
00:52:02the need to hide
00:52:03to the entire population
00:52:04about what?
00:52:05man
00:52:05the problem is
00:52:07when it arrives
00:52:08World War II
00:52:09when it arrives
00:52:10World War II
00:52:11There is an operation
00:52:12prepared by
00:52:13of the Nazi army
00:52:14to conquer Gibraltar
00:52:16So what it does
00:52:17the British government
00:52:18It is to evacuate everyone
00:52:19the civilian population
00:52:20They send her to Morocco
00:52:22Only the military remains
00:52:23and begin
00:52:24the excavation
00:52:25about 50 kilometers
00:52:27of tunnels
00:52:27so that it can be done
00:52:28people an idea
00:52:29of the magnitude
00:52:30from what they got
00:52:31of rock
00:52:32from inside the rock
00:52:33the airport
00:52:34that's next door
00:52:35of Gibraltar
00:52:35he wet himself
00:52:37from the rock they extracted
00:52:38from the stone they extracted
00:52:39They ate him
00:52:40well, something more
00:52:41of one kilometer
00:52:41to the sea
00:52:42with that stone
00:52:44so
00:52:44like that guy
00:52:45of tunnels
00:52:45The tunnels are different
00:52:47in various colors
00:52:49in military matters
00:52:52The audience can be seen
00:52:54scarcely
00:52:542% of them
00:52:56because the rest
00:52:57they are still stored
00:52:58as a military secret
00:52:59since they can be used
00:53:01the day of a possible siege
00:53:03in this case
00:53:04not only
00:53:04by the British army
00:53:06but on the part
00:53:07NATO
00:53:07then of course
00:53:08It was so enormous
00:53:09the complex
00:53:10of those 50 kilometers
00:53:11that there were streets
00:53:13with their names
00:53:14so that people
00:53:14could not be lost
00:53:16and takes into account
00:53:17Iker
00:53:17who died
00:53:18a little over 100 people
00:53:19in construction
00:53:20of these tunnels
00:53:21And that's good.
00:53:22that were made
00:53:23so that an army
00:53:25of something more
00:53:26of 10,000 people
00:53:27could withstand
00:53:29between 7 and 9 months
00:53:30They were clear
00:53:31that
00:53:31if Hitler
00:53:32besieged Gibraltar
00:53:33Gibraltar at the end
00:53:34I was going to fall
00:53:35but they wanted
00:53:36that it fell
00:53:37at a price
00:53:37very very high
00:53:38And then one thing
00:53:39very curious
00:53:40at the top
00:53:41of the rock
00:53:42They left a room
00:53:43very tiny
00:53:44for a group
00:53:46between 3 and 4 people
00:53:47of spies
00:53:48could hold out there
00:53:49with a radio
00:53:50the rest of the war
00:53:51whatever years those were
00:53:53with a large warehouse
00:53:54feeding
00:53:54through
00:53:55from a narrow perspective
00:53:56carved into the rock
00:53:57to be able to give notice
00:53:59to Great Britain
00:54:00which military movements
00:54:01inside the crag
00:54:03Well
00:54:03incredible story
00:54:04Hitler
00:54:06military tunnels
00:54:08secrets
00:54:08engineering works
00:54:10that impress us
00:54:11that are below
00:54:12from the ground
00:54:13That's why he's here
00:54:14José Luis Cardero
00:54:16Tell us a little bit
00:54:17shows to camera
00:54:18José Luis
00:54:18What is that plan?
00:54:19Well
00:54:20Here we have
00:54:21the
00:54:21a part
00:54:23only a part
00:54:23not all
00:54:24the tunnels
00:54:25that's in the
00:54:26Oversaver
00:54:26which is a
00:54:28mountainous area
00:54:29very close
00:54:30to the small town
00:54:31from Berchtesgaden
00:54:32that is
00:54:33approximately
00:54:34about 80 kilometers
00:54:35from Munich
00:54:36and in an area
00:54:37that is
00:54:37practically already
00:54:39sticking
00:54:39with Austria
00:54:41It is an area
00:54:42border
00:54:42an area
00:54:43very mountainous
00:54:44where there are mountains
00:54:44that reach
00:54:45up to 2,000
00:54:46and up to 4,000
00:54:47meters high
00:54:47And here I had
00:54:49a house
00:54:50field
00:54:50a house
00:54:51who called
00:54:52the house
00:54:52Bachenfeld
00:54:53around the 1920s
00:54:54Adolf Hitler
00:54:55Let's begin
00:54:56the trip
00:54:56José Luis
00:54:57in these tunnels
00:54:58of suffering
00:54:59unknown tunnels
00:55:00look closely
00:55:01the screen
00:55:01please
00:55:02first
00:55:03José Luis Cardero
00:55:04receives a permit
00:55:05special
00:55:06of the army
00:55:08American
00:55:08Yeah
00:55:08That was
00:55:09in 1967
00:55:10many years ago
00:55:11when the area
00:55:11by Bersalves
00:55:12It was an area
00:55:13occupation
00:55:13US military
00:55:14so
00:55:15us
00:55:16how it was cutting us off
00:55:18the step
00:55:18we entered from another side
00:55:19by the hotel
00:55:20Zunturken
00:55:20me more or less
00:55:21I knew how it could be done
00:55:22enter
00:55:22the Zunturken hotel
00:55:24It also has
00:55:24a permit
00:55:26in order to be able to
00:55:27allow the visit
00:55:28about that
00:55:28is absolutely
00:55:29forbidden
00:55:30enter with cameras
00:55:31still
00:55:31It's curious.
00:55:32but still
00:55:32That prohibition persists.
00:55:33and we
00:55:35we spent
00:55:36we descended
00:55:37almost at
00:55:37forties
00:55:38meters
00:55:38underground
00:55:39in some places
00:55:40where
00:55:41That is a bit
00:55:42more sinister
00:55:42because there
00:55:43the SS
00:55:44who was in charge
00:55:45to monitor
00:55:46security
00:55:46of the entire area
00:55:47after all
00:55:48Let us remember that
00:55:48Hitler was the boss
00:55:49of the state
00:55:49then the whole area
00:55:50was subjected
00:55:51to absolute
00:55:51security controls
00:55:52in those times
00:55:53Well, the SS
00:55:54He had some dungeons there
00:55:55where he held prisoners
00:55:57that they were torturing them
00:55:59according to what they told us
00:56:01some survivors
00:56:02of the area
00:56:02and it was the image
00:56:04from true hell
00:56:05because firstly
00:56:06because it's extremely cold
00:56:07I don't know if Juan
00:56:08that in Gibraltar
00:56:08experienced that feeling
00:56:09It's a feeling
00:56:10like a sudden fall
00:56:11of the temperature
00:56:12I had a thermometer with me.
00:56:14It was reading about seven degrees
00:56:15approximately
00:56:16temperature
00:56:17another curious thing
00:56:18It's that the compass
00:56:18tour
00:56:19uncontrolled
00:56:20at some intersections
00:56:22of the tunnels
00:56:22and above all
00:56:24It's hard to imagine
00:56:25that of those tunnels
00:56:27narrow
00:56:27defended by nests
00:56:28machine guns
00:56:29They were evicted
00:56:30the SS
00:56:31that after all
00:56:32They were elite troops
00:56:33using hand pumps
00:56:35and bazookas
00:56:35I spoke in 1967
00:56:38with a survivor
00:56:39of that odyssey
00:56:41that truly
00:56:42It was creepy
00:56:43that is to say
00:56:43They had to remove people
00:56:44that she no longer wanted to get out alive
00:56:45thence
00:56:46So, despite everything
00:56:47They managed to conquer
00:56:48those tunnels
00:56:49based on
00:56:50things like this
00:56:50José Luis
00:56:51forgive me
00:56:51What are they?
00:56:52Well, these are
00:56:53deposits
00:56:54deposits that remained there
00:56:55I have a photo
00:56:56this same photo
00:56:57taken
00:56:584 or 5 years earlier
00:56:59The deposit was not there.
00:57:00so full of rust
00:57:02There is a certain amount
00:57:03tremendous humidity
00:57:05as you can see
00:57:06the walls are
00:57:07and the ground
00:57:07it's practically
00:57:08flooded with water
00:57:09It's an aspect
00:57:09tremendously sinister
00:57:10And how many kilometers?
00:57:11What kind of facilities are there here?
00:57:12well, probably
00:57:13it is calculated
00:57:14about 50 or 60 kilometers
00:57:16acquaintances
00:57:17because actually
00:57:18these tunnel systems
00:57:19that are in the part
00:57:21let's say
00:57:22more immediate
00:57:23to the ground
00:57:24of the mountain
00:57:25connect with others
00:57:26much deeper
00:57:27of which
00:57:28It is unknown
00:57:28absolutely nothing
00:57:29every year
00:57:30are being discovered
00:57:30new tunnels
00:57:31even today
00:57:32even today
00:57:3210-12 years ago
00:57:34it was discovered
00:57:34one immense
00:57:35about a kilometer
00:57:36length
00:57:37it was discovered
00:57:38an immense cave
00:57:40where apparently
00:57:41Marshal Guering
00:57:42It had a tremendous wine cellar
00:57:43of millions of bottles
00:57:45of which
00:57:45I guess so
00:57:46that the American army
00:57:47I would be drinking
00:57:47throughout all the years
00:57:49occupation
00:57:49even more
00:57:50And things are discovered
00:57:52daily
00:57:53and then
00:57:54clear
00:57:54the problem
00:57:54which is a place
00:57:55so mysterious
00:57:56And so strange
00:57:57and in which they feel
00:57:57some feelings
00:57:58so curious
00:57:59and so rare
00:58:00and so gruesome
00:58:01I would say
00:58:01It's as if it were
00:58:02the authentic gel
00:58:03real hell
00:58:05cold
00:58:06of the Nordics
00:58:07Well
00:58:07even
00:58:08Let's look at a photo
00:58:09from a well
00:58:11because José Luis
00:58:12You were about to
00:58:12to find your bones
00:58:13and it would be your downfall
00:58:15surely
00:58:15here
00:58:16Tell us the story
00:58:16from this photo
00:58:17I remember
00:58:18that he was taking out
00:58:18by the
00:58:19This is a hallway
00:58:20that there
00:58:20was protected
00:58:21through a gate
00:58:22but the gate
00:58:22she was separated
00:58:24so
00:58:25I was so absorbed
00:58:27in the photograph
00:58:27that I didn't realize
00:58:29that I was getting closer
00:58:30dangerously
00:58:30to this species
00:58:32from well
00:58:32This is a well.
00:58:33which is 30 meters long
00:58:34depth
00:58:35and connect
00:58:36This is the part
00:58:36that connects
00:58:37with the shameful
00:58:38Hitler's
00:58:39Hitler's shame
00:58:40It would be 30 meters
00:58:41below
00:58:41that is to say
00:58:42This is so that you become
00:58:42an idea
00:58:43of the magnitudes
00:58:45there would be a building
00:58:468 floors
00:58:47in this hole
00:58:48and it has others
00:58:4950-something meters
00:58:50up
00:58:50Because this ends
00:58:51at the top
00:58:52in an observation tower
00:58:53here
00:58:55they projected
00:58:55apparently put
00:58:57an elevator
00:58:57a forklift
00:58:58as you can see
00:58:59the tunnels
00:59:00They are coated
00:59:00with a species
00:59:01metal
00:59:02But the truth is
00:59:03They just left it like that.
00:59:04And so it remained.
00:59:05since the end of the war
00:59:06They didn't finish
00:59:07There are many parts
00:59:07unfinished
00:59:08in the tunnels
00:59:09and probably
00:59:09down there
00:59:10Nobody knows what's there
00:59:11Because that's 30 meters.
00:59:12free fall
00:59:13Perhaps we should bring
00:59:14an expert geologist
00:59:15that I could visit this
00:59:18the Bavarian government
00:59:18He doesn't want any trouble.
00:59:19with these tunnels
00:59:20says it has open
00:59:21these little ones
00:59:22these small fragments
00:59:23of the tunnels
00:59:24as an observation
00:59:25to see what happens
00:59:26Let's say to see
00:59:27if the population
00:59:28He receives it well
00:59:29because the mere mention
00:59:31Hitler's
00:59:31in that area
00:59:32It's a real taboo
00:59:34It's one thing
00:59:35which can even reach
00:59:36to be dangerous
00:59:37However, I have observed
00:59:38in some places
00:59:39and the Bavarian government
00:59:40also observes
00:59:41that the nostalgic
00:59:42they go to these places
00:59:43to perform their ceremonies
00:59:44in honor of the Führer
00:59:46perhaps in these dark places
00:59:48in these dark places
00:59:49where probably
00:59:50are still housed
00:59:51some remains
00:59:52of the dark Nazi gods
00:59:53I was very scared
00:59:55of running out of power
00:59:57Because it really is
00:59:58It's a feeling
00:59:59absolutely claustrophobic
01:00:11If you lose power here
01:00:12you might fall
01:00:13in any
01:00:13from these wells
01:00:14This is part of it
01:00:15of those not permitted
01:00:16let's say of the tolerated ones
01:00:18for the visit
01:00:20You can't see this
01:00:20the public
01:00:21But anyway
01:00:22if there is a gate
01:00:23that allows
01:00:24from the other side
01:00:25allows access
01:00:26and allows
01:00:27seeing the tunnel
01:00:28partially
01:00:29not entirely
01:00:30But that's what they have
01:00:31these tunnels
01:00:32that there are many entries
01:00:33I know
01:00:33Well, like three or four
01:00:35through which
01:00:36it is possible to penetrate
01:00:37in a network of tunnels
01:00:38where you're already risking your life
01:00:39because they are tunnels
01:00:40that are about
01:00:41to collapse
01:00:41tunnels without any kind
01:00:43maintenance
01:00:43where you can slip
01:00:45and fall into holes
01:00:46like this
01:00:47like this
01:00:47and above all
01:00:49places where
01:00:49No one knows what's there
01:00:51Well, I think that
01:00:52the history of Gibraltar
01:00:53the story that was beginning
01:00:54with or without legend
01:00:55a legend that
01:00:56It certainly appears
01:00:57in official documents
01:00:57It pushes us
01:00:58as if it were a complaint
01:01:00to learn about stories
01:01:01that demonstrate
01:01:02that we know so little
01:01:03of almost everything
01:01:05the underground war
01:01:06often term
01:01:08in Gibraltar
01:01:09on the one hand
01:01:10war of defense
01:01:11of persecution
01:01:12espionage
01:01:13unknown tunnels
01:01:14hospitals
01:01:15orcas
01:01:16and much further afield
01:01:17in Germany
01:01:19no more, no less
01:01:20in Bavaria
01:01:20this network of tunnels
01:01:22that still
01:01:23It has sections
01:01:24to explore
01:01:24It seems unbelievable
01:01:25in old Europe
01:01:26and so close
01:01:27so many stories
01:01:27to know
01:01:28José Luis Cardero
01:01:29as usual
01:01:29Thanks for the report
01:01:31through analysis
01:01:32And once again
01:01:33for making your hair stand on end
01:01:34because this
01:01:36unfortunately
01:01:36It's part of history
01:01:37Yes, exactly.
01:01:38Thank you, José Luis.
01:01:39Thank you all
01:01:39and Juanja
01:01:40Until the next episode
01:01:42research
01:01:42I hope many of these
01:01:44ladies in grey
01:01:45appearances
01:01:45lead us to something
01:01:46that deep down
01:01:47It is tangible
01:01:48authentic
01:01:48real
01:01:48man, I wish
01:01:49I would like
01:01:50that in this country
01:01:51let's take example
01:01:52of the British government
01:01:53in Gibraltar
01:01:54that opens doors for you
01:01:55to the governor's palace
01:01:57and he tells you calmly
01:01:58Well, there's a series
01:01:59of people
01:01:59that they had there
01:02:00an encounter with the strange
01:02:01Juanja, as always.
01:02:02Thank you very much, mate.
01:02:03to you
01:02:03in the end
01:02:05Wow, what images!
01:02:05that well
01:02:06where our anthropologist
01:02:07was about to
01:02:08Thank goodness
01:02:08Thank goodness he reacted in time
01:02:10Let's look at some other images.
01:02:11which have also meant
01:02:13scares
01:02:13for our viewers
01:02:25sometimes
01:02:26the writings
01:02:27that reach us
01:02:28to the mystery ship
01:02:29They're so graphic
01:02:30so precise
01:02:31that is worthwhile
01:02:31listen to them
01:02:32I'll read you the message
01:02:33that sent
01:02:34a television viewer
01:02:34Antonia just like that
01:02:35says
01:02:36the photograph
01:02:37It is made
01:02:38in the garden of the house
01:02:39in San Quirce
01:02:39Barcelona
01:02:40January 6th
01:02:41from 2009
01:02:42at 4:01
01:02:44p.m.
01:02:44It had been raining
01:02:46when I saw this photo
01:02:47I got the feeling
01:02:48that it was a cat
01:02:49that we had
01:02:50and that was about 3 years ago
01:02:51that died
01:02:53to their surprise
01:02:54from seeing that reflection
01:02:55I still have my doubts.
01:02:56whether it could be
01:02:58what I think
01:03:00perfectly written
01:03:01and the mystery revealed
01:03:02Carmen
01:03:02Well
01:03:03It wouldn't be the first time
01:03:04that the chronicles
01:03:05and the books
01:03:06They tell us
01:03:07of ghosts
01:03:08of animals
01:03:09above all
01:03:09of domestic animals
01:03:10that we have had
01:03:11with us
01:03:12in our homes
01:03:13the photograph
01:03:13It needs to be said
01:03:14It is made
01:03:14through a glass
01:03:16therefore
01:03:16there we could
01:03:18have the solution
01:03:19but
01:03:19we see raindrops
01:03:20TRUE?
01:03:21Yeah
01:03:21we see raindrops
01:03:22And I'm going to expand
01:03:23the area
01:03:23so that it can be seen
01:03:24look
01:03:25There we have
01:03:26what is
01:03:27the original photograph
01:03:29and also
01:03:30here we have applied
01:03:32a series of filters
01:03:33because of the height
01:03:34Yes, it would be similar
01:03:36to a cat
01:03:37TRUE?
01:03:37sitting cat
01:03:38to a cat
01:03:38that he was sitting
01:03:39below
01:03:40of which it could be
01:03:41your tree
01:03:42to whom so many times
01:03:43would have gone up
01:03:44if still
01:03:45had life
01:03:46Well, in this case
01:03:48what it tells us
01:03:48Guillermo León
01:03:49maybe
01:03:50has been
01:03:50the reflection
01:03:51when taking the photograph
01:03:53from within
01:03:54of the house
01:03:55along with the drops
01:03:56water
01:03:57the one that has caused
01:03:58that this friend of ours
01:04:00Well, I'd like to see
01:04:01to your animal
01:04:02No?
01:04:02to your pet
01:04:03and if it isn't
01:04:04if it's the ghost
01:04:05of that cat
01:04:06Well, she shouldn't worry.
01:04:07which surely
01:04:08who will continue to accompany her
01:04:09and taking care
01:04:10What a beautiful photo!
01:04:11What an evocative photo
01:04:12and that I need on this occasion
01:04:14Guillermo's analysis
01:04:15because?
01:04:16because indeed
01:04:17It could be that drop
01:04:18now
01:04:19What a beautiful story!
01:04:20I repeat, right?
01:04:21right in the place
01:04:22where was the cat
01:04:23under his tree
01:04:24We understand perfectly
01:04:26the surprise
01:04:27from Antonia
01:04:27upon seeing the result
01:04:28from this image
01:04:29two ways of contact
01:04:30fundamentals
01:04:30two ways of contact
01:04:32where can they send us?
01:04:33the images
01:04:33that they wish
01:04:34that we analyze
01:04:35We continue collecting
01:04:36the drawings
01:04:37their experiences
01:04:38and their dreams
01:04:38fourth millennium
01:04:40at4.com
01:04:41if you write to us
01:04:41via email
01:04:43and the post office box
01:04:4518189
01:04:45with the postal code
01:04:47from Madrid
01:04:4828080
01:04:48And pay attention to this face
01:04:49Pay attention to this face
01:04:50It has to do with
01:04:51with one of the treasures
01:04:52most prodigious
01:04:53of our history
01:04:54the treasure
01:04:55of the starfruit
01:04:56of the Tartessian culture
01:04:57It is a reproduction
01:04:58that exists
01:04:59in the archaeological museum
01:05:00from Seville
01:05:01and there
01:05:02Fernando Ruiz
01:05:03it is carried
01:05:04a monumental surprise
01:05:06a surprise
01:05:08because there is a guest
01:05:09which in theory
01:05:11There was no reason for me to be there
01:05:12there
01:05:12we are seeing
01:05:13TRUE?
01:05:14that reproduction
01:05:15of that fantastic treasure
01:05:17of the starfruit
01:05:18But let's see
01:05:19where is
01:05:20the anomaly
01:05:21I'm going to expand it
01:05:22because also
01:05:23It's because it's perfectly visible
01:05:25There it is
01:05:25my mother
01:05:26Let's put it on
01:05:27in the center of the screen
01:05:28so that it can be seen
01:05:28even better
01:05:29What a face!
01:05:30look
01:05:31small face
01:05:32TRUE?
01:05:33a face that also
01:05:34It looks like it's coming out
01:05:35from the display case
01:05:36from below
01:05:37because if we see
01:05:38the pieces
01:05:39They're up here.
01:05:40This would be a display case
01:05:41or a black stand
01:05:41but it looks like a face
01:05:42as modified
01:05:43or I don't know
01:05:44with an appearance
01:05:44with a texture
01:05:45yes or from someone
01:05:46at least
01:05:47who is in another life
01:05:49come on
01:05:49of a dead person
01:05:50We're seeing it right now.
01:05:51with eyes closed
01:05:52TRUE?
01:05:53we're going to put
01:05:54other images
01:05:56to see
01:05:56what they told us
01:05:57the analyses
01:05:58There it is
01:06:00the same face
01:06:03And there we have it.
01:06:04recreation
01:06:05that has made us
01:06:05Guillermo del León
01:06:07of what it could be
01:06:08that image
01:06:09of a man
01:06:09TRUE?
01:06:10which seems to arise
01:06:11of that depth
01:06:12dark
01:06:13of the support
01:06:14that maintains
01:06:15reproduction
01:06:16of the starfruit
01:06:17on this occasion
01:06:17It scares me more
01:06:18the original
01:06:18that for the first time
01:06:20we're going to put
01:06:20the original
01:06:21exact
01:06:22There it is
01:06:22is that the original
01:06:23It's terrible.
01:06:24Yeah
01:06:24the original
01:06:25It's terrible.
01:06:25and also
01:06:25we don't have
01:06:26a solution
01:06:27very accurate
01:06:28It could be a reflection
01:06:29could be
01:06:30a drawing
01:06:31of something
01:06:32that there had
01:06:33fairly
01:06:33below
01:06:34from that display case
01:06:35but I wouldn't have
01:06:35no sense
01:06:37What else could it be?
01:06:39something that has remained
01:06:41No
01:06:41something that has remained
01:06:42reflected
01:06:43somehow
01:06:44on that glass
01:06:45in that glass
01:06:45Well, we don't know.
01:06:46the truth
01:06:47that is, we would have
01:06:48to ask for their help
01:06:49if you are going to visit
01:06:51the treasure of the starfruit
01:06:52reproduction
01:06:53that is
01:06:53in that museum
01:06:55Please
01:06:56take photographs
01:06:57and say
01:06:58No
01:06:58if they find
01:06:58with this face
01:06:59there too
01:07:00and this photo
01:07:01we could say
01:07:01which perfectly summarizes
01:07:02I believe that philosophy
01:07:04of our program
01:07:04It's an anomaly.
01:07:05one can conjecture
01:07:07what is physical
01:07:08real
01:07:08and it's worth it
01:07:09even if it's just curiosity
01:07:11the one that will lead us to him
01:07:12to know things
01:07:13of our history
01:07:14like the treasure of the starfruit
01:07:15whose original pieces
01:07:17They are in the Archaeological Museum
01:07:18from Madrid
01:07:18and if one approaches
01:07:19and looks at them
01:07:20realizes
01:07:21about what
01:07:21They radiate that
01:07:22maybe what's there
01:07:24mystery
01:07:24mysteries of our history
01:07:26authentic mysteries
01:07:27We will continue counting them
01:07:27in seven days
01:07:28I'll be waiting for you here.
01:07:29as usual
01:07:29to everyone
01:07:30on the mystery ship
01:07:57Thank you!
01:08:28Thanks for watching!
01:08:39Thanks for watching!