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Washington staged a dramatic comeback attempt against San Francisco, but confusion on a crucial fourth down extinguished their chances.
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00:00So we wanted to get into the controversial play, the fourth down play.
00:05This was in the second quarter.
00:09It was 13-3.
00:1013-0-2 left on the clock.
00:12I'm sorry, it was 20.
00:13Was it 20-3?
00:14No, 13-3.
00:15It was 13-3 at this point.
00:17Fourth and two.
00:19There's a bunch of, I guess, X is now filled with a bunch of lip reader experts
00:24who are zeroing in on Dan Quinn after Jaden sailed the ball out of bounds.
00:30It's not that difficult to read his lips.
00:33This is from Warren Sharp.
00:35He says, quote, field goal.
00:36Oh, that was fourth down?
00:38Certainly looks like lip readers believe Dan Quinn was completely unaware
00:42that it was fourth down and wanted to kick a field goal.
00:46There was one clip that went viral right away, and I was a little bit,
00:49I was just kind of confused.
00:51I wasn't convinced.
00:52But then there was a broader clip later where it showed more of the interaction,
00:57and it's pretty obvious.
00:58Jason swayed me during the break.
01:00We looked at his lips in slow motion.
01:03I mean, watching the game, I just thought he was frustrated with Jaden Daniels.
01:06Like, that was fourth down.
01:07What is he doing?
01:08As a fan, you're watching him, and you're like,
01:10why is Jaden Daniels on fourth down throwing it out of bounds?
01:13Well, hold on.
01:14It's okay to throw it out of bounds sometimes.
01:15Not on fourth down.
01:16Sure it is.
01:16In that situation, EB.
01:18Sure it is.
01:19Troy Aikman was 100% right.
01:20Well, I disagree with Troy Aikman.
01:21You've got to go for a touchdown.
01:23I disagree with you, and I disagree with Troy Aikman.
01:24You've seen Aaron Rodgers do it a million times when it's like a free play,
01:27but you also do it when it's a fourth down.
01:30Like, you don't know the flag.
01:31There was a flag thrown, right?
01:32Yeah.
01:33So, if it's a free play.
01:34I don't think it's a major mistake.
01:36If it's a free play, you definitely do it.
01:39And if not, you've got nothing to lose.
01:40I think he definitely saw the flag for one.
01:43Well, what if he thought it was third down?
01:45That's why he's throwing the ball away.
01:48Well, then that's inexcusable.
01:49You have to know what down is.
01:50Well, it's inexcusable that the coach thinks it's third down right now.
01:52I agree with that, too.
01:53I would be surprised.
01:54But maybe they're talking to him and just throw it away if you don't have anybody because it's third down.
01:59That's unfathomable.
02:00I should have given it.
02:01It's unfathomable.
02:02If that happened, they all need to be fired.
02:06Why wouldn't Jaden throw the ball into the end zone somewhere at a guy if it's fourth down?
02:10If that happened, if that comes out, it's not going to come out.
02:13They're going to keep that in-house, obviously.
02:14But if that happened, they should all be fired because that is just incompetence.
02:19You might not like it, but he's wired to not throw interceptions.
02:23He tries to avoid them.
02:25And I honestly think he thought, I'll just live to fight another day.
02:28I don't want to potentially throw a pick six or something here.
02:31I honestly think that.
02:32And he's been coached.
02:33Don't take an extra hit.
02:35Just get rid of the ball.
02:35I think if he's on a dicey part of the field, like his own 20 or 25, he might think
02:40not throw a pick six.
02:41But it was so deep in their territory.
02:43I know, but you could still catch one and take off.
02:45Who knows?
02:46It could happen.
02:47I don't know.
02:48I don't think it's as big a deal as you guys do.
02:49So first and 10 on the 21.
02:52I disagree.
02:53There's an incomplete pass to Rashad White.
02:56I'm biased, but I disagree.
02:56I mean, I love Jaden Daniels, but he has to throw the ball in the vicinity of a receiver.
03:02I don't know how anybody can't know that it's fourth down.
03:09There's a pass to Bates on second down.
03:12All right?
03:13You get four yards.
03:14Now it's third and six.
03:16They run a pass play.
03:19Jaden ends up scrambling for four.
03:21So now it's fourth and two.
03:23They had to make a decision whether to go for it or not.
03:26Yes.
03:26Yeah.
03:27They had to know.
03:28No, I think Blau knew.
03:29Maybe everyone knew.
03:31I think Dan's clueless.
03:33He just minds the sidelines.
03:34I think he's clueless.
03:35Maybe everyone else knew except for DQ.
03:37I think everybody knew, but Dan.
03:38Let's listen to this audio of Dan Quinn explaining what happened on that fourth down.
03:42What happened on that fourth down play?
03:45I mean, obviously the cameras caught me.
03:47It looked like we weren't sure, but it was third and fourth.
03:49No, I definitely knew it was fourth down.
03:50We were going for it, and I think whatever you're referring to, I was probably saying
03:54like with the illegal shit, there's not a penalty to go for a field goal.
03:58Like it doesn't go, like it's the turn on downs.
04:01Like I think somebody asked me, can we kick a field goal?
04:04So no, we were going for it.
04:05We knew we had to go for some fourth downs to be bold in the game.
04:08I didn't think it was going to be a 17-14 game.
04:10Like I probably thought it was going to need 28-30 to score, you know, to go win it.
04:15And so it was by design that we were going to go.
04:17But I knew what happened.
04:18I think I was probably just commenting that I remember, at least on the headset,
04:21somebody asked me after an illegal shift, like it was turnover on downs.
04:26And Jaden saw the foul too.
04:28I think he also came out, saw the penalty.
04:30I think that's part of it too.
04:32I think Jaden knew it was a penalty.
04:33So he's saying that since there was a flag, he thought that they would just replay the down.
04:38No, no.
04:38He's saying somebody else's staff was asking, can we just, because of the penalty, can we kick it?
04:44They can decline it, yeah.
04:44Right.
04:45Can we kick it?
04:47And he goes, feel well, no.
04:48By the way, they're in love with illegal shifts.
04:51Like somehow that bugaboo has not gone away.
04:55They've had a lot of pre-snap penalties this year.
04:57That's very annoying.
04:58And I understand David Blau has growing pains, but after you're doing it three or four weeks
05:02in a row, like let's get rid of the growing pains.
05:04Let's learn from all these illegal shifts.
05:06That might be Dan's fatal flaw was hiring these two inexperienced guys.
05:10I mean, it very well could be.
05:11Well, maybe it was just because, all right, I'll backtrack a little bit.
05:14Maybe it's because he was saying field goal because he thought it would be, it couldn't
05:19be declined.
05:20Right.
05:20It was a pre-snap.
05:21Well, that's not what he's saying.
05:22What he's saying is, if you listen to what he's saying, play it again.
05:25He's saying somebody on the headset said, can we kick a field goal?
05:28And he said, field goal, no.
05:30That penalty doesn't.
05:31Listen to what he said.
05:32Play it one more time for Jason, please.
05:36What happened on that, the fourth down play?
05:38I mean, obviously the cameras caught you and it looked like you weren't sure it was
05:42third and fourth.
05:42No, I definitely knew it was fourth down.
05:44We were going for it.
05:45And I was, I think what I'm referring to, I was probably saying like, with the illegal
05:49shift, there's not a penalty to go for a field goal.
05:52Like, it doesn't go, like, it's the turn on downs.
05:54Like, I think somebody asked me, can we kick a field goal?
05:57So, no, we were going for it.
05:58We knew we had to go for some fourth downs to be bold in the game.
06:01By the way, that's an issue.
06:03I don't think that's what he says.
06:05I don't think, I think he says.
06:06So, you think he's lying there?
06:07He says, wait a minute, it's fourth down?
06:10No, he goes, wait a minute, it's first down?
06:12Because it was first down San Francisco.
06:14And he looked surprised.
06:15That's when he was pissed off.
06:18So, maybe he thought because of the flag, there was a pre-snap penalty and they couldn't
06:24decline it and it was just a replay of fourth down so they could kick the field goal.
06:27Yeah.
06:27I think that's what he thought.
06:28Maybe that is what he thought.
06:29I think that's possible.
06:30I think he's lying a little bit.
06:33Because he does say, wait a minute, it's first down?
06:35And that's when he says, what the F?
06:37This game, though, was a lot like the Eagles game where they open up the season where it's
06:44too little too late.
06:46First half, you're playing the 49ers, coming off that debacle of a tie.
06:51Here's their drive chart.
06:53First quarter.
06:55Field goal in the first drive, five plays, 32 yards.
06:57They get three points.
06:59Then the next drive, three and out, negative five yards, they punt.
07:03Then you get to that drive, which is their third drive.
07:06It's 13 to three.
07:08Why not kick a field goal there?
07:11You kick a field goal, you're within a touchdown.
07:13I agree with you.
07:14They go for it there.
07:16Maybe the analytics say go for it.
07:17He has no confidence in his defense.
07:20He has no confidence.
07:21He's like, we knew we needed to score 27, 28 points.
07:24He just said in that clip, he knew they needed to score like 30 to keep pace with the Niners.
07:27That's a problem.
07:28I think all of us thought that, too, though.
07:29Be honest.
07:30We all took a true serum.
07:31I mean, heading into the game, the Niners are scoring like 30 points a game.
07:34Well, and the way it was trending.
07:36He knows that his defense isn't stopping them.
07:37The way it was trending.
07:38But nobody else's defense is stopping them either.
07:39But you can't predict the future.
07:41You can't.
07:42It would have kept there a one-score game.
07:44Correct.
07:44Of course.
07:45And then that last possession, they kick a field goal to tie it.
07:49They don't need a touchdown.
07:50Yeah, of course.
07:51Listen, I think we go for it way too much.
07:53Well, the last two possessions.
07:54Last two, yeah.
07:55Well, certainly the last one.
07:56All right.
07:57We also have Jaden Daniels weighing in on what happened on that play.
08:01In the first half, the fourth down play, what happened?
08:04How was it going to be that start of the third down?
08:07Nah, I just got to execute better in that situation, regardless of a flag or not.
08:11But, you know, fourth down, we got to don't die with the ball and stuff like that.
08:16So, just be better.
08:16I have to be better, you know, on that spot.
08:19Can I find a drive coming to the ground in that situation where you just kind of had to
08:24Yeah, I mean, had no timeouts.
08:26Can't take a sack.
08:28Just trying to, you know, save us some more time to get another playoff.
08:33So, you know, just not trying to, you know, die with the ball and have everybody run back.
08:38Just trying to get the ball out.
08:39Did you know that the flag had been thrown on the fourth down play that you think it's
08:44an illegal ship?
08:45I did.
08:46I did know.
08:47I didn't know what it could have been offside.
08:49It could have been on us.
08:50You know, I'm not really into that type of stuff, you know.
08:53Thanks, Jake.
08:53Appreciate y'all.
08:54I knew he knew there was a flag.
08:57And I think he just threw it away.
08:59So, he knew this play was busted.
09:00So, maybe he thought it was on San Francisco.
09:02I think he just gave up on the play.
09:04Well, if he thought it was on San Francisco, that's where you definitely try and go for it.
09:07Yeah, I think he just gave up on the play.
09:09Or it's a free down anyway, and it doesn't matter if it's complete or not.
09:13If he thought it was on San Francisco, then he's definitely firing it.
09:16Yeah.
09:16He has to.
09:17Yeah.
09:17I think he knew it was on his guys, and he just gave up on the freaking play.
09:22That's what I think.
09:24Situational awareness, terrible.
09:26Mm-hmm.
09:28All right.
09:28Let's pass up these calls.
09:29Just a very, very, very frustrating game.
09:31I really did think at halftime they were going to have to whack Dan.
09:34It was going to be freaking awkward.
09:36They were going to score 40 on us, and there was no getting around it.
09:38Plus, you had the incident there where I don't think Dan really knew what the hell was going on.
09:42But you have no problem if they did.
09:44Like, if you found out at 2 o'clock today they had a meeting and they fired Dan Quinn.
09:48No, it's not going to hang up.
09:49Nobody could argue against it.
09:51No.
09:51You'd be fine with it.
09:51That's not the point.
09:52The point is I just didn't want to deal with it.
09:55That's all.
09:56What do you have to deal with?
09:57It's just more.
09:58I'm a fan.
09:59You're not a fan.
09:59I know.
10:00Controversy.
10:00No, but I want to know what do you deal with?
10:02What do you deal with?
10:03It's just starting a whole new regime.
10:04Like, I know it's inevitable he's going to get fired.
10:06It's a shame.
10:06I wish he could pull his way out of it and we not get through it because it's going to
10:09be a whole new regime.
10:10It's a whole new starting over.
10:11It's going to be five years again before we have another shot.
10:14It's just, you know.
10:14It's not true.
10:15It's just frustrating.
10:16The Patriots turned around in one year last year and made the Super Bowl.
10:18We're not the Patriots.
10:19We're not the Patriots.
10:20I've been through this for 30 years.
10:21It's not a five-year deal in the NFL anymore.
10:23It doesn't matter to you.
10:24I'm a fan of the team.
10:25So, it just sucks.
10:26Yeah, but I'm a football fan and I see it every year.
10:28Teams turn around in one year.
10:30I'm a fan of this team.
10:31And I know it's just going to be another turn.
10:35But it's ignorant to say it's a five-year thing.
10:38It's not.
10:39All right.
10:40I'll bet you it's five years before we get into the NFC Championship.
10:43I'll bet you it's five years plus before we get into another NFC Championship.
10:46Well, that may be the case, but that's not the case in the NFL.
10:49The Commanders did it one year.
10:50Maybe they'll luck out.
10:52It doesn't work here.
10:54You just can't handle regime change at this point.
10:56Well, no.
10:57I know it's inevitable.
10:58Yeah, it's going to happen.
10:59It just sucks because you're just starting over.
11:01Just starting over again.
11:02Yeah, but maybe a different head coach.
11:04Might be better.
11:05Would have helped them get a win last night.
11:07Maybe.
11:08Did this head coach help him get a win yesterday?
11:10No.
11:10Listen.
11:12He stinks.
11:13There's no doubt.
11:14It just sucks that we're going to have to start all over.
11:16It just sucks.
11:18The hat forward thing, the hat backward thing, that's also stupid.
11:22All the words are stupid.
11:23I called it out from day one.
11:25Go to the tape.
11:25I called it out before you because I said he was Ron Rivera part two.
11:29You guys are raising for credit.
11:30I'll give you that.
11:30You guys were loving him in year one.
11:32You were loving him.
11:33That's not true.
11:34I said all the stuff is cheesy.
11:35All the cheesy slogans, hat backward stuff annoyed me.
11:39But they won despite it.
11:40Hey, coming out of the bye, hat backwards.
11:42Now they're all putting the hat forward on.
11:45He looks like a freaking weirdo with it on forward.
11:47He did look weird.
11:49Let's go to Mike.
11:50Mike and Bowie.
11:51What's up?
11:52Hey, guys.
11:53I want to talk about the points left on the field.
11:56I think y'all hit it pretty well.
11:58You need to play for the present, not the future.
12:01I know.
12:03You're not down by 14 in the fourth quarter.
12:06You're not down 30 right there.
12:07Yeah, of course.
12:08Yeah, exactly.
12:09You take the field goal, which Daniels threw the ball away on fourth down.
12:14It was a penalty anyways.
12:15But you take the field goal.
12:16You're down by 10.
12:17Fast forward to the end of the game.
12:19You don't need to go for a touchdown.
12:20Yeah, we understand.
12:21I understand.
12:22And that's it.
12:23You're right.
12:23You're right.
12:24What do you think happened on that fourth down, though, in the second quarter where
12:27Jaden throws it out of bounds and Dan Quinn is caught on film apparently saying
12:33that was fourth down?
12:34No, no, no.
12:35He didn't say that.
12:36Yeah, I don't think he said that.
12:38I think he said first down and he was confused about what happened with the penalty.
12:43I really pray to God that he knew it was fourth down and everyone on that sideline.
12:48No, no.
12:48He said first.
12:49He didn't say fourth down.
12:51I'll give him credit there.
12:52Yeah, I think he said first as well.
12:53But I guess it's analytics or it's him having confidence in his team, but he needs to have
12:58a little less confidence because, I don't know, we leave way too many points on the field.
13:03Way too many points.
13:04I tend to agree with that.
13:05I agree with that.
13:05Even the first time.
13:06I agree with that.
13:06Well, he has no confidence in the defense.
13:08Yeah.
13:09Because he believes he needs to score a lot more points.
13:11He believes they need to get into the high 20s to have a chance to win.
13:14Well, all of us would have agreed.
13:16Nobody here thought the Niners were only going to score three in the second half.
13:19No.
13:19Nobody in the world.
13:20Of course not.
13:20There isn't one person in the world that thought that.
13:23No.
13:23Ten minutes into the game, I thought they're putting 38 to 40 on him.
13:27I thought 40, and I thought that was being conservative.
13:29It didn't look good.
13:29I almost typed 50.
13:30This is going to be a blowout.
13:32I thought they were going to put a 50 spot, but I said, I'll be conservative and say 40.
13:35Hey, my man Sonny Stiles, 13 tackles.
13:38He really showed out yesterday, especially in the first half.
13:42Well, if McCaffrey doesn't fumble, that could have been another touchdown.
13:44Yep.
13:45If Evans doesn't go out at halftime, that could have been more points.
13:48Oh, yeah.
13:48So, they've got some breaks.
13:50Let's go to Jason.
13:51Jason, what's up?
13:52You're on with the Junkies.
13:54Hey, how you guys doing?
13:56Hey, what's up?
13:57You know, the thing about it is, being a fan of this team, you know, it is so frustrating
14:02to watch.
14:03I thought it was going to be 50 points also.
14:05I didn't go on up and down the field like it was nothing.
14:08It was bleak.
14:08I went to the New York game, and it's just more of the same, more of the same.
14:14Dan is beyond the point of being clueless.
14:16Yeah, let's just go ahead and get rid of it.
14:18Let's go ahead and just fire him right now.
14:21Yeah, we got, I agree with you, another three or four years.
14:23I'm seeing the actual destruction of a quarterback.
14:27We have a talent, and we are absolutely wasting him and making him just look absolutely horrible.
14:33Thanks, Josh, for any styles.
14:34Yeah.
14:35I'll say this.
14:36I do think at some point over the last week or so, like, I don't see as much joy on
14:41the
14:42field with Jaden.
14:43Like, I don't, he doesn't, he's not laughing as much.
14:45He's not having as much fun.
14:46Like, you just see.
14:48He's still doing the smiling bit when he gets hit.
14:50He's smiling when he throws a ball out of bounds on fourth down.
14:53I don't see, that's like a defense mechanism, but I don't see the joy.
14:57Well, it has to be draining on him to be in the middle of a 1-4-1 season.
15:02They're 0-7-1 in his last eight starts.
15:04How many days did you say it's been since his last win?
15:06I had heard something like, paraphrase, 390, something like that.
15:10It's been a long time.
15:11Yeah.
15:12Yeah.
15:12I mean, that'll sap your joy if you're not winning games.
15:16But I mean, I see it.
15:17I don't see the guy, like.
15:18He's also taken a lot of criticism this year.
15:20The LSU thing probably personally hit him.
15:25And you may think it's silly.
15:26He got booed by the LSU audience when they flashed his picture.
15:31I mean, I would be surprised.
15:31That probably hurts you.
15:32I'd be surprised if that's affecting him on the NFL field.
15:35No, I don't think it affects him on the field.
15:36Maybe it is.
15:37You become jaded, right?
15:39You become hurt by the media.
15:42You saw Caleb Williams last week attack the media because he was hurt at the criticism
15:49going towards him, thinking it was unjust.
15:51I don't know what it is.
15:53I just don't see the joy.
15:55Like, I just didn't see it last night.
15:57I thought he played okay.
15:58You know, he thought he played okay.
15:59Kept him in the freaking game.
16:00I think it's probably just all the losses.
16:03I mean, he's not piling up.
16:04Yeah.
16:05It's frustrating.
16:06I think he feels a little helpless.
16:07But you're not seeing it.
16:08I think he feels a little helpless back there.
16:09And if you're just losing every week.
16:11I mean, we're just watching the games.
16:12You're not going to look joyful.
16:13We're frustrated watching it.
16:14Can you imagine being in the middle of it?