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00:00We're going to talk about the Browns at the trade deadline, crickets.
00:02We're going to talk about the Shador versus Deshaun again,
00:06the two-point conversion and whatnot, the Cavs and whatever the hell that is.
00:10And to do so, we're going to welcome on a man known in Cleveland for his Cleveland-ness,
00:16a man who was Midwest nice, a man who rocks it and shocks it.
00:21Fanta N60.
00:23Started going Trump again.
00:24It has just been a whole couple weeks here.
00:27Fanta N60 on NBC Sports platforms.
00:29NBC Sports, the man does everything there, and he does it well.
00:33And he joins us now on the Wiseheart Right.
00:35We make it right.
00:35Call Kyle Wright Hotline.
00:36John Fanta, what's up, buddy?
00:38What is happening, guys?
00:40Happy Tuesday.
00:41Happy Tuesday.
00:42Can you agree that Todd Munkin was in the right to go for two
00:46and try to go for the win at the end of the Saints game in OT?
00:50Absolutely.
00:50They would have lost the game if he kicked the field goal.
00:53They would have given up a game-winning field goal to New Orleans,
00:55in my humble opinion.
00:57The defense had lost their step.
00:59New Orleans was one play away from getting to midfield.
01:03You know, if they get the football back at the 30, they can get to midfield.
01:07Chris Alave was playing really good football that day.
01:09Stuffed against the Browns.
01:10It's the NFL, guys.
01:12Like, that game took on a life of its own in the fourth quarter.
01:15It's why they call it the witching hour.
01:16I thought Todd Munkin absolutely made the right call.
01:19Just didn't end up going the Browns' way.
01:21The witching hour, where losses become wins and wins become losses.
01:24But they never say anything about ties, John, and that's the important part there.
01:27Where ties become ties?
01:29Is that how that one goes?
01:30Yeah, maybe Hanson's got to fix that, huh, John?
01:34Well, I don't want to be put – I love my man Scott Hanson.
01:38But you could do a better job, though, right?
01:40I would vote you to be red zone captain.
01:42Yeah, like we love and respect him, but you could do better.
01:45If you gave me a vote – now, Siciliano's the red zone guy I grew up with.
01:47That's why he always has a nice place in my heart, because he was my original red zone guy.
01:52We want football!
01:54We want football!
01:55Come on, now.
01:55We don't want ties.
01:57We don't want ties.
01:58I mean, one of Hugh Jackson's shining moments was a tie against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
02:04Never forget that week one game.
02:05I thought it was mooning everybody when he ran into the lake.
02:09Oh, boy.
02:09That was just for people's enjoyment.
02:11Yeah.
02:11Yeah.
02:12This is the only show I talk about nudity on.
02:15The only one?
02:16Yeah.
02:17Barstool?
02:17We can get Phantom 60, a real upgrade, real quick.
02:20Well, we try to be a family program.
02:24Why?
02:25No, Nick's got a great point.
02:26You've gone with the barstool, guys.
02:27What are you talking about?
02:28Come on, now.
02:29Oh, boy.
02:30Here we go.
02:33I don't play for ties.
02:35You know, I don't like ties, and I totally respected what he did there.
02:40I just think spinning it ahead, like, I'm deeply concerned about this Sunday, and it
02:46does feel like this season in a lot of respects in terms of their playoff hopes, because if
02:51they lose this game, they're 5-5, and I don't think that they're going to catapult into the
02:56playoff field.
02:57The AFC is, you know, it's kind of in a state of we know who six of the seven are
03:02for the
03:03playoffs.
03:03I mean, barring an extreme quarterback injury or two.
03:08So, to me, guys, I don't know if you saw Houston, but they were humming this past Sunday.
03:14You know, this is going to be a real defining game for the Browns.
03:18They've been so good at home, haven't lost at home.
03:20How do they come out here on Sunday and answer?
03:24They've responded all year.
03:25They've got to do it again.
03:26What did you make of Todd Munkin not announcing Deshaun Watson as the starter and instead
03:30saying he wasn't ready to make that announcement quite yet?
03:33Well, what I made of it is what I make of a lot of what the Browns do organizationally,
03:39and it's that they collaborate on a lot of their decisions.
03:43And the owner is involved.
03:46The GM is involved.
03:48Everyone's involved.
03:50And so I think that's why they got Todd Munkin to be the head coach of the football team.
03:54You know, this is just, it's always been my thought process.
03:57You guys know this because we've talked long enough.
03:59There's collaboration involved with everything that the Browns do, for better or worse.
04:04And so I'm sure that those conversations were happening.
04:09And, you know, Shadur, what's interesting about it, Jonathan and Nick, is that Munkin started
04:16the week, did he not?
04:18When he was asked by a media member about the quarterback situation, he was dismissive of
04:23the press member and basically, you know, laughed at the question.
04:28And, dude, we're not talking about that enough.
04:31Like, why in five days did the tone change to that degree?
04:36I mean, to me, the only rationale, and you guys, we always, we agree and we disagree on
04:41stuff.
04:41The only rationale to me was, somebody said to Todd after the fact, hey, like, let's take
04:47a step back and not be that dismissive about this.
04:49Right or wrong?
04:51That's a fair read.
04:53All right, so you're going to Shadur or you're going to Deshaun?
04:56I go to Deshaun.
04:57He's won me five games.
04:59He's won my football team five games.
05:01He's driven the team down the field and he's found ways to win.
05:06So if, if, if you think that Shadur is your future and that's your philosophy, my response
05:16to that would be, okay, then there's no better time than during a bye week to figure your way
05:21through that.
05:22Because like I said before, the, the Browns, if they lose this game, they fall to five and
05:28five and you, you are going to have to either start acknowledging reality, you know, before
05:36the Raider game or God forbid, you lose the game at home.
05:38The Raiders are not good or after the Raider game, then, then you can make the change.
05:43But why would you deviate from the guy who got you off to a five and three start to the
05:50season, that's not fair to Watson.
05:53The Browns are still in the mix.
05:54They have a chance.
05:56They, they have the Texans on Sunday and the Texans are, you know, played much better this
06:01past week, particularly their offense.
06:03CJ Stroud looks very good.
06:06If, if I'm the Browns, I, if Deshaun Watson is good and healthy enough to play, he has earned
06:14the nod this Sunday in an isolated box.
06:18He has earned the nod this Sunday to play.
06:20And that's how I'm treating it as the coach of this football team.
06:22If I was in those shoes.
06:25Yeah.
06:25It also kind of seems like you're leaning towards where I'm at too, where, although I agree.
06:29And Nick has agreed with that idea too, that Deshaun Watson should be your quarterback this
06:33week.
06:33What's changed for me though, John, is I just, I got a shorter leash now.
06:37And so like, if that means it's on a week by week basis, that's what that means.
06:41But like the Texans game legitimately might be the end result for Deshaun Watson, especially
06:47heading into a buy.
06:49Well, if he's that miserably bad for three quarters, because here's the thing, would you
06:54both agree here based on the way Houston played last week and based on Houston's talent?
06:59If Watson has a rough three quarters, like we've seen in other weeks, do you think that
07:05the Browns have another magical fourth quarter in them?
07:08Yeah.
07:09I think there's a chance I trust him until I don't.
07:11Okay.
07:12Well, then, but then if, but then if he leads them down the field and wins the game, then
07:16you're not going to remove them as the quarterback of the team.
07:19Well, you're not going to do that.
07:21No, no, no, but I don't, I don't know that.
07:23I don't know that it's going to come down to whether or not he can pull a rabbit out of
07:26his hat.
07:26Once again, you think it's going to come.
07:29You think the Browns are losing this week?
07:30Sure.
07:31Sounds that way.
07:31Yeah.
07:33I'm choosing hope, John.
07:35Okay.
07:35Well, look, look, I am too.
07:37I like, I like this football.
07:39Look at negative, look at negative Peterlin here.
07:42Guy was negative on the guardians.
07:44They made the ALCS and now he's, he's going with the negativity with the Cleveland Browns.
07:49I can't believe it.
07:50If he leads them to a win, he should.
07:52And if he plays well, I mean, guys, we see what our, this is revolutionary analysis here.
07:59Okay.
08:00I, our eyes tell the story.
08:02Like this guy, if he goes out and he does what he's done for much of this season, then
08:08he should still be the quarterback of the football team.
08:10The one thing I would say is, as the game went on in new Orleans, it was interesting to
08:16see the vertical passing game, get, get into a rhythm.
08:20You know, that was, that was encouraging.
08:22And can Watson make some of those throws?
08:24He's made them this season.
08:26He has made them this season.
08:27He's made some big boy throws.
08:29He's found Jerry Judy in some huge spots this season.
08:32He's found Denzel Boston.
08:33I want to see that continue.
08:35You know, I think that was my big takeaway from Sunday was as the game went on.
08:39I love to see Sanders throw it down the field to the degree.
08:42I had fun with that too, John.
08:44And no denying that.
08:45I just, my problems right now is really, it's beyond quarterback, even though we can talk
08:48about to Sean and whether he's been good enough or not, but I, you got no run game right
08:51now.
08:52The offensive line looks as worse as it's ever been.
08:54And the defense, it doesn't matter if it's Woody marks or who the running back is going
08:58to have a day.
08:59It just seems like, it seems like we can't stop the run at all.
09:02And so the defense that we once kind of hung our hat on isn't the same defense either.
09:06That's why I get to the spot I'm at with the Texans game.
09:10Well, but, but the Texans are 27th in the league in rushing offense.
09:16I mean, and the game is in Cleveland.
09:19Yeah, but they just played, we just watched the Saints play Odrick Estame, who we booted
09:23off our team a week prior, right?
09:25Run like he was Walter Payton back there.
09:27We watched Braylon Allen a few weeks ago, go for an insane numbers to back up to Brees
09:31Hall.
09:32Yeah, but if, but for me, it was actually the breakdowns and pass covers that led me to
09:37being disappointed in the defense.
09:38I mean, they gave up a couple of explosive plays in the air in the fourth quarter that
09:43they have not given up that, that, that, that to me, that they were playing single man coverage
09:48and they got beat this secondary.
09:50And I know I'm holding them to a high standard, but if your rush defense isn't going to be
09:53good, then your pass defense better be good.
09:55And new Orleans won the game to me because Shuck finally made a couple of big throws.
10:00He didn't do that in the first three quarters of the game, but what, what does it, what does
10:04just have to do the, so you're saying that changing to Sanders is going to change that
10:08much with this offense?
10:09No, I didn't say that.
10:10No, I was just, I was just, didn't say that.
10:12I was just defending the idea that I don't think they're going to win against the Texans.
10:14That's all.
10:15Like why, why right now I'm, I'm at the least amount of confidence I've had in the Browns
10:19all season long is right now that it's for the reasons I displayed.
10:23So five and five at the bye week is what you've got.
10:27And are you declaring that their playoff hopes are dead?
10:30If that's the case, uh, no, we're definitely trending in that direction though.
10:33They just have too many things popping up that they didn't have earlier on.
10:36And they have too many things that are making them just not as good of a football team.
10:39Again, yeah, your offensive line is getting worse.
10:41I don't know how that's happening.
10:42John Quinchon Quinchon cannot play right now.
10:45And we have holes in the defense you have to address.
10:48Yes, I agree.
10:49But, but we go back to the quarterback position.
10:51Why would changing to Shador Sanders change anything else?
10:54The answer is it wouldn't.
10:55And I think it's a little unfair to Deshaun Watson to now change to Shador Sanders.
11:00No, we agree.
11:01We know I both knew me and Nick have all agreed that Deshaun should play this weekend.
11:06But you are saying that he, that, that you would make the change if Deshaun doesn't perform well.
11:10If Deshaun, if Deshaun stinks, I would make the change.
11:13But again, I don't think that's what the Browns would do.
11:14I think the Browns are going to stay with him because they like Deshaun way more than I like Deshaun.
11:17Well, like you're not getting good enough quarterback play as is.
11:20If he continues to go down that road, then yeah, you have to make a move.
11:22I mean, he's 28th in basically every advanced stat and a number I can come up with.
11:28The offense is 29th in the NFL, averaging 17 points a game.
11:31They're not good enough offensively, John.
11:33No, they're not.
11:34They're not good enough offensively.
11:36I don't think that Shador would change that much.
11:39I think that Watson, you know, he's done a good job of keeping the ball secure for the most part.
11:45But the offensive line problems are real.
11:47And like I said, if we get to a point where if they lose to Houston, they lose to Vegas,
11:53okay,
11:53if they were to lose off the bye, which, you know, coming off byes can be tricky for, you know,
11:58it'll be interesting to see how Munkin approaches the bye week, what he does.
12:02Because at that point, you know, let's just say they're, if they're six and four, I mean, if they were
12:06to win Sunday,
12:07which all three of us are, it sounds like picking Houston.
12:10And look, all three of us have been wrong on stuff before.
12:14That's for sure.
12:15And if they're six and four, I mean, that would change the whole complexion of your season.
12:20It'd be huge.
12:20Yeah, it'd be huge.
12:21You'd have Vegas off the bye.
12:23I have a hard time believing the Browns would lose that football game.
12:26It is the NFL.
12:27Anything can happen from week to week.
12:28And then you have Cincinnati at home.
12:30And, you know, if the Browns were to beat the Texans, I would not be shocked if you see that
12:34Browns-Bengals game get flexed
12:36and get elevated to, you know, a better spot because it would be a really compelling matchup in the AFC
12:43North.
12:43I mean, like, here's the thing.
12:47They should have Deshaun Watson on Sunday.
12:52Until I see him, and I've been the biggest Deshaun critic.
12:56I was a huge Deshaun critic because he didn't perform.
12:58But unless I see him fall off the side of a cliff on Sunday and just look miserable and actually
13:04make the offense worse,
13:06I don't have a reason to pull him from his job right now when he's won me five football games.
13:11I can't do it.
13:12All right, real quick here, we've got a little breaking news from the NFL.
13:15The Vikings have released Odell Beckham Jr., so that was quick.
13:19John, we've only got about a minute, bud, but I did want to talk some Cavs here.
13:23Is it officially a matter of when, not if Kenny Atkinson gets fired after last night in Charlotte?
13:29Yeah, it certainly feels that way.
13:31I mean, they're five and six.
13:36It comes off to me that whatever the message is and whatever the leadership is, it's now falling on deaf
13:44ears.
13:45But, guys, how could you watch the footage last night of James Harden?
13:52And the clips are out there.
13:53You've seen them.
13:55How could you watch that and sit there and say, okay, it's the coach's fault?
14:00You know, James Harden, this is what happens when you sign up for him, and there can be a negative
14:11side of that.
14:13And it just feels like, does changing the voice matter that much?
14:17We're going to find out, but it feels like a matter of time for Kenny Atkinson, and I don't think
14:25it's all his fault.
14:26I think that the Cavaliers have issues that go beyond just the coach, because they continue to change coaches.
14:34And what answer has that really provided for them?
14:38Well, they got swept in the Eastern Conference Finals.
14:40They hadn't done that previously.
14:42Wasn't that fun?
14:43That was linear growth, as they'll tell you.
14:46But changing the coach is not going to make them a title contender.
14:49They're not a title contender.
14:51They're not one of the five or six best teams in the NBA.
14:54Okay, I tend to agree with you, but that's the same thing people said when they went from Tibbs to
14:59Mike Brown, and they did win a title.
15:03So I agree with you, by the way, that I think the end result will be the end result, but
15:06that's going to be what they're going to fall back on, is, well, nobody thought the Knicks were going to
15:10win a championship with Jalen Brunson as their best player, and Mike Brown as their head coach.
15:13So we should pretend to hire Dawn Staley, and then go with the other person after Dawn doesn't want to
15:18do it.
15:18Yep.
15:18All right, I'm in.
15:19And not Johnny Bryant.
15:20I'm in.
15:21John.
15:21We're just not allowed to interview Condoleezza Rice.
15:24Thank you all.
15:25All right.
15:26Thank you, John.
15:26That was not a bad walk-off there.
15:28John Fanta there, NBC Sports Checkout, Fanta in 60.
15:31He makes Cleveland proud every single day, but certainly on Monday.
15:35Why don't you talk on that show?
15:36I don't buy that.
15:38You know there's a five-minute block where Fanta just gets buckwild, right?
15:43Fanta after dark.
15:44Yeah.
15:44Spring break Fanta.
15:45Come on now.
15:46It is cable TV.
15:47You can get away with a lot.
15:48I mean, invite me on.
15:49We'll get those talks going real quick, John.
15:52I just invited myself on a show.
15:54John on the Wiseheart Right.
15:55We Make It Right.
15:56Call Kyle Right.
15:57Hotline.

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