00:00Is this an audition for Deshaun Watson on Sunday?
00:04It sounds funny. He's won five games this year.
00:05Why would it have to be an audition?
00:07But in some ways, you can see how that would play out
00:11if you're trying to look at the season from Mars or from the moon or something,
00:16looking back down on the world and trying to figure out
00:18how exactly this could play out after this week.
00:21Looking back down.
00:24Right? From the satellite?
00:25Yeah, sure.
00:26I'd say that a million miles away.
00:27Let's go with that, sure.
00:28Yeah, trying to get some perspective on the situation.
00:31Yes, yes. I like that.
00:32Charles Robinson will give us some perspective at 11 o'clock.
00:34He's from NFL Blue Book.
00:36Jeff, he heard you weren't going to be here yesterday,
00:37so he said, I'm not coming on the show, so he said he'd come on today.
00:40Wise man.
00:41Yeah, that's what I said.
00:42Tim May knows everything about Ohio State.
00:45He's going to join us at high noon.
00:46Plus, we have our plethora of Friday events that happen,
00:50two keys and a lock, Todd Munkin's press conference,
00:53and, of course, we do quick predicts on Fridays instead of why am I smarter.
00:57And that will give you the opportunity to tell us the score of the Browns game
01:00against Houston on Sunday.
01:02And, yeah, and so, you know, we've got all these things that are very,
01:06very important.
01:07Big, big day.
01:07Big, big, big day.
01:08So, let me just, let's kind of summarize the conclusion you came to
01:12and I came to.
01:14Is this a one-game audition for Watson on Sunday?
01:17I say no only because of the fact that they're in contention.
01:22And he's been the quarterback of record in five, their five wins.
01:28If their record was, you know, not good, if they were two and seven right now,
01:34something like that, without question.
01:36But I, if there is the chance that Todd Munkin says, you know what,
01:44I've determined that this, that I've seen all of this I want to see,
01:48and he goes to another quarterback, it would be Shador, I'm sure.
01:52But I don't think that's going to happen yet.
01:58So, I don't, I personally agree with you.
02:00I think that when you break it down, I think Deshaun is your starting
02:05quarterback until someone tells the Browns, you're eliminated from the
02:08playoffs.
02:09Yeah.
02:09And then, Andy, the minute that happens, man, I'm playing somebody else.
02:14Yeah.
02:14And we're past the trade deadline, so you can get rid of that whole notion.
02:17Or maybe even slightly before.
02:19You know, if Deshaun goes out and plays, you know, they come out of the bye
02:23and they don't play well, you know, I, you could make a move.
02:28I just don't think it will happen now.
02:30I don't know.
02:31Is it desperate?
02:32No.
02:33I don't think it's desperate either.
02:35No, it's not because.
02:35If they made a move after the break, Jeff, I wouldn't be surprised.
02:39No, it wouldn't stun me either.
02:41Even if they win this week.
02:43That would surprise me.
02:45The one thing about this, let's not confuse, like, what I'm saying,
02:52or winning five games, with Deshaun playing great quarterback.
02:58I don't think he has.
02:59And let's not confuse Shadour with a great second half, fourth quarter in particular,
03:07of playing great quarterback, because I don't think he did either.
03:11You know, what they played was, okay.
03:15Lance Reisland, actually, after, and I did this, after listening to you coming in on the Browns pregame show,
03:23I flipped over to our pregame show.
03:25Right.
03:26Oh, thanks.
03:26Appreciate you.
03:27Well, no, I listened to you guys first.
03:29Yes, go ahead.
03:30You know, got to hear what my guy Tyvee says.
03:32Yeah.
03:33But Lance said.
03:34Thanks even more.
03:34You're welcome.
03:35Lance said this, and I thought, boy, that's absolutely on the money.
03:39Can you win with that quarterback?
03:41Yes.
03:41Can you win because of that quarterback?
03:43That's a different question.
03:45And I thought, boy, that's perfectly said.
03:48How would you answer that for both quarterbacks?
03:49I think you can win with those guys, but they're not going to win for you.
03:53For instance.
03:54Yeah, even with fourth quarter comebacks?
03:56No.
03:57I don't.
03:58Andy, I don't think so.
04:01I think you can win with Deshaun at quarterback, and I think you can win with Shador at quarterback.
04:06Right now, you're not going to win because of them.
04:11They finally put some talent on this offense.
04:14Well, a competent quarterback can do a decent job of leading that and get some wins.
04:18That's what Deshaun's done.
04:20But I look out there.
04:22I don't see Aaron Rodgers in his prime.
04:24No.
04:24I don't see Lamar Jackson.
04:26I don't see Patrick Mahomes.
04:28I don't see Jaden Daniels.
04:32I see somehow, some way getting things done in the fourth quarter.
04:35Sometimes it feels lucky.
04:37Yeah, but that's okay.
04:38I think I see underthrown footballs.
04:42They're playing competent quarterback, and they have a decent talent around.
04:45This holds true for both.
04:47Well, here's the weird part for me, Jeff.
04:48I felt like we were watching the same quarterback on Sunday with Shador.
04:53It was the same game.
04:54Yeah, it was the same game.
04:56Shador looks like he has a stronger arm.
04:58But does that mean it's on the game plan?
05:00It's on the coach?
05:00Or is it on the athletes that are on the field?
05:03Yes.
05:03I mean, they look so similar.
05:05Yeah.
05:06It was, there were differences in the quarterbacks.
05:10Deshaun gets away a little bit, but then he also hangs on to the ball like crazy.
05:14And Shador might be guilty of some of that.
05:17Shador let her rip a little bit more downfield.
05:20Deshaun let her rip with his legs a little bit more.
05:22There are subtle differences, but it was the same type of game.
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05:28Martin is in Wycliffe.
05:29Hi, Martin.
05:29Hello, Martin.
05:30Good Friday to you.
05:31Hi, Andy.
05:32Hi, Jeff.
05:33I enjoy the show.
05:34I'm all-time listener.
05:36I, and I was also made by Jeff one, it's probably been a while, a friend of the show,
05:46something like that.
05:46Oh, nice.
05:47Wow, good for you, Jeff.
05:48If I made Martin a friend of the show, that's a weird thing.
05:51Yeah, you must really be a friend of the show.
05:52Yeah, I don't do that very often.
05:54Jeff, you, I really like you, Jeff.
05:56I think you cool people, but I think you down, to me, you sound like you give Shador no credit.
06:02First of all, I think this is an audition for the shot.
06:07If he goes out and stinks up the place against Houston, and they lose, of course,
06:14then I think you have to consider playing Shador.
06:18Jeff, you were talking about the plays that Shador made.
06:21You said Boston came back for the ball.
06:24That defensive back was right there.
06:27That was great coverage.
06:28The ball was right there.
06:30He didn't stop.
06:32He jumped and took the ball from the defensive back.
06:35That was good coverage.
06:38Concepcion was wide open.
06:40The ball dropped right in his stomach.
06:42He didn't stop.
06:43He just stood there, caught the ball, ran for a touchdown.
06:46You downplayed to me what Shador done.
06:50I believe that he was one of the quarterbacks.
06:52Martin, I also said when I was going over that with Andy, I said,
06:55and you can't take those throws away from Shador because he made them.
06:59Right, I agree with that.
07:00But you also made it sound like the defensive backs had to stop for the ball,
07:05come back, you know, like the, you know, you made it sound like that.
07:10Well, I definitely thought that with the Boston play.
07:14Well, if you look at the play, Boston jumped and took the ball from the
07:18defensive back.
07:19Exactly my point.
07:20He was right there.
07:20That was good.
07:20Exactly my point.
07:22And then that's what I'm saying about Deshaun.
07:26Deshaun, you said he holds the ball too long.
07:29I believe the Browns can win with either quarterback.
07:32And I also believe that if they don't win this game,
07:36you have to consider where Deshaun is as far as being a competent quarterback
07:43in the NFL.
07:45I want you guys' perspective on that.
07:48Thank you for taking the call.
07:49I appreciate it.
07:49You got it, Martin.
07:50Thanks for calling.
07:52I think Martin's right.
07:54You do have to consider it.
07:56If he has a bad week this week.
07:58You have to consider it.
07:59But, Andy, I just think it would be a big move by Munkin if you make a change
08:06of quarterback when a guy is 5-5, let's say they lose, and you're in contention.
08:10That's big.
08:12And I, you know, it's his call.
08:16But right now, you've had some success with Deshaun playing quarterback.
08:21I think Shador can do it, but it goes back to what Lance said.
08:25And I think, yes, and I agree with what Martin said because Lance said it too.
08:30Can you win with either one of these guys?
08:32Yeah, you can.
08:33I don't think you're really going to win because of these two guys.
08:37That's why I think you're still looking for a quarterback.
08:40That could change if Shador gets the opportunity to play late in the year, Andy,
08:44and plays better football.
08:45I guess the other way you could look at it too is let's just say the Browns win.
08:50Let's say the Browns win this week, and they win 21-20,
08:54but they're helped out by three pick sixes.
08:57I'm just throwing that a hypothetical, right?
08:59They'd be 6-4, though.
09:00So if the offense had no contribution into points scored
09:04or little contribution into points scored,
09:07that might be another reason why you might look at this week's game
09:10and say, all right, it goes back to the pitcher's theory on should pitchers
09:17hang their hats on wins when they don't score runs, right?
09:21But that also goes back to coaching.
09:25They're going to have to figure it out, which guy gives them the best job.
09:29I don't think either guy has, and Shador has a small sample size
09:34because he only played one game.
09:36I don't think either guy has shown this year,
09:40and it's unfair to say that about Shador, that, man,
09:43they're playing great at quarterback.
09:45I hope they can get there.
09:47I think the guy who's more likely to get there, probably Shador.
09:51To say he's playing great at quarterback?
09:53Maybe.
09:54But, again, Andy, I've said this all along.
09:58I'm not sold on any of these guys.
10:00The one that intrigues me most is the fourth string guy.
10:03I still think the reason you have a chance every week
10:05is because these guys aren't throwing interceptions.
10:07I thought that was a huge –
10:09Well, that's nice for now.
10:11Let's hope that continues.
10:12I thought that was great for Shador last week,
10:14that he was able to not throw a pick.
10:17Sure.
10:17Aaron's in Cleveland.
10:18Hey, Aaron.
10:19What's up, man?
10:19Hi, Aaron.
10:21Hey, how you doing?
10:22What's going on?
10:23Yeah, I think it's the game plan.
10:26If you look at the games, we've got magical fourth quarters,
10:31but both of the games look the same.
10:33It's the same movie.
10:36Nobody's asking the question about Todd Monk
10:38and opening up the playbook before the fourth quarter,
10:41before we're behind the eight ball.
10:44So what do you want –
10:45The question then,
10:46and this goes back to what I was just talking about,
10:48about throwing interceptions.
10:50Let's say he opens up the playbook earlier
10:51and they start giving up turnovers left and right.
10:54Is it worth it?
10:55I don't think it would be left and right,
10:57but, I mean, all your great quarterbacks might throw an interception.
11:00Joe Burrow, I mean, how are you going to go back and forth
11:02with a Joe Burrow?
11:03No, I know, but, I mean, you also have to look at Shador
11:05from last year, seven games, ten picks, right?
11:08So you do want to scale it down a little.
11:10Yeah, but we didn't have these weapons.
11:12I mean, look how many weapons we got this year.
11:15I'll give you that.
11:16I'll give you that.
11:16I just think – thank you, Aaron.
11:18Appreciate it.
11:19I don't have a problem with them.
11:21I mean, if he scales it,
11:23but let's just say the playbook isn't open for the first three quarters
11:25and everything Aaron said is right,
11:26and he may be right that they're really super conservative
11:31in the play calling early on in these games.
11:33Maybe they don't trust either quarterback.
11:36And that gets you a chance to at least try to win in the fourth quarter.
11:39And, by the way, if that's been the game plan,
11:42it's been successful, hasn't it, in all but two games?
11:45You and I both think the same thing.
11:47Just let her rip.
11:48You know, I –
11:50I don't know that – I know he says let her rip,
11:52but let her rip may not give you a chance to win a game
11:54in the fourth quarter.
11:55But if you let her rip in the fourth quarter and it works,
11:58why wouldn't you let her rip other parts of the game?
12:01Because it didn't work last week.
12:03I don't know that you let her rip last week.
12:05In the fourth quarter?
12:07No, in the fourth quarter you didn't.
12:09Yeah.
12:09It did work.
12:10You did everything but come back to win.
12:12Well, then it didn't work if you didn't win.
12:13Well, no, but the offensive numbers were there.
12:16Okay.
12:17But the biggest number was –
12:19How about if we blame the D?
12:23The offense was in a position –
12:25the offense was in a position to win the game again last week.
12:30It didn't matter what the defense was doing.
12:32And if you ask, then –
12:34They came back twice in the fourth quarter last week.
12:36Yeah, but I'm saying if the playbook is closed,
12:38essentially, for the first three quarters,
12:41and you're being ultra-conservative,
12:43I would say that game plan has worked then.
12:46And even if they didn't win last week,
12:48I'll say that game plan works.
12:51Look where they are.
12:52No one expects them to be at five wins even now.
12:54Even if they're right on the edge of five and five.
12:58I would agree with that.
12:59So, maybe Todd Munkin's right in being –
13:02and I'm not saying that he is being conservative
13:04because – although it does come off that way.
13:06And our first quarter offense is atrocious.
13:09And our first quarter defense hasn't been much better.
13:12So, when you look at it,
13:13have they approached this the right way?
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