00:00frank schwab what was that about that's that's his name frank schwab
00:05he uh that's just mean he wrote a uh he basically had a whole write-up on every team's grade
00:13through
00:14the first half of the season and i was surprised because he is he is staunchly anti-deshawn
00:19and giving anything close to deshawn any sort of positive write-up is real progress for him
00:26he gave the browns a minus i thought that's about as nice people that just don't like to show me
00:32like it's personal with them because of the off the field stuff or the off the field stuff they
00:37really will not give the browns any credit so i feel like this is a real win for frank schwab
00:42i like this development for schwab i mean objectively i don't know how anybody can look at what this team
00:47was supposed to be what this team has around itself and how they they got munkin in here which nobody
00:53really believed in except for a select few people maybe yourself included and give them anything
00:57short of an a which then brings me to the thing that he said that annoys me which is he
01:02says the
01:02bad news is the wins will hurt their quest to fix their quarterback problem in the 2027 nfl draft
01:08and i don't know when we got so obtuse about how teams find quarterbacks in the nfl draft yes
01:16everyone knows your best chance to find a top five quarterback is to get into the top 10
01:22but the idea that the browns have to lose out and that's the only way you're going to get up
01:26into
01:26that range is are there a lot more circumstances if you're picking in the teens which is where the
01:31browns are right now yes but the idea that the browns can't trade up for a quarterback and that
01:37this is somehow this is wins in in spite of of them you know basically what is it cutting off
01:43your nose
01:43despite your face i hate that like it is just all of these people and it's every year we talk
01:49about
01:49this with quarterbacks of like wow you're winning too many games this is bad you need to lose out
01:54and i i've had people when the browns lose they're like yes the plan is on and i'm like for
02:00the love
02:00of god take care of the season win as many games as you can and then do what you can
02:06to trade up for
02:07a quarterback or trade for a veteran quarterback the idea that winning the browns are winning so many
02:11games and it's bad for them i think is silly i think it's stupid and i think it's incredibly
02:16i think it's trying to be too clever it might be i just think it's somebody that's void of the
02:22feelings of the fan base is all that's i mean he can just look at this objectively and ask himself
02:26the question is it true that the bad news or that wins will hurt their quest to fix their quarterback
02:31problem in the 2027 nfl draft that is objectively true it just is again is completely devoid of how
02:38the fans in the city that are taking in the team actually think about these things but it so it
02:43might
02:43i don't know he looks at this the same way you'd look at like a spreadsheet if you're andrew berry
02:47or the same way that you look at like it's not his mess it's not his problem so he doesn't
02:52have
02:52to think about any of the repercussions attached to it he just has to look at it does this get
02:56you
02:56closer to taking a quarterback at the top of the draft or does it not and that answer as of
03:00right now
03:01with those wins is no now again we know there's way more layers to that and there's way more that
03:05goes
03:05into that conversation than just that i think he's just looking at it for the face value part of that
03:09and that's all that is well but i think that's the problem because i think that is a fair amount
03:14of analysis across the nfl of we we don't care about the actual context meaning all right are there
03:21tangible things to be gotten from a winning season for a first-time head coach meaning are there a lot
03:27of young guys there who probably are going to have a better chance to develop and to succeed in a
03:33consistent uh winning environment this year or competitive environment which i think both of those
03:39questions are absolutely yes but i think those people would also say what is out what out what
03:44weighs more uh winning winning a couple games or a quarterback being great well you can still go up
03:50and get the quarterback though like you can i i think there's this idea so i know that there's only
03:54one way to run well but i think that's like what what frustrates me about this from frank schwab is
04:00this is how everybody treats every quarterback situation that isn't settled in the long term
04:04as if you have to stink now it's it's the honestly it's an extension of the pervasive tanking
04:10mentality that i think too many really smart people have allowed to creep in and seep in
04:15and i just i think it's proven to be janky the texans tanked for two whole years three whole years
04:21to
04:21get to a tongue of iloa they they accomplished nothing with him we can mention the browns and their
04:26tanking and and how that went to a nice small run but certainly not championship and winning it
04:33well that is interesting though because when we brought up miles miles brought this up earlier
04:36he was like what what actually got the team winning you know like at what point did it you got
04:40all
04:41these draft picks and then what ultimately did turn the tide you could make the argument what
04:45turned the tide is the quarterback in baker mayfield well but even then there were what how many
04:51quarterbacks like the the ravens were at the end of the joe flacco experience they didn't even take
04:56him uh take lamar with their first first rounder they traded up for the last draft yeah he was the
05:01end of
05:01the draft of the first round so i i guess i just i think there's it's too reductive of thinking
05:07of
05:08well you gotta all right the browns have now at five and four they've hurt themselves that's
05:14melodramatic to me i think there is just as much to be gained from winning as many games as possible
05:20and then this offseason going all right can we get the third best quarterback in this draft or
05:27should we go out and take a swing at a veteran that's out there okay but but hurt him saying
05:33hurt their quest i i guess i just i i don't know i find the the phrasing of that funny
05:38because like
05:39that is objectively true in that it hurt them in regards to getting the the best pick they possibly
05:45can and then having the best opportunity to get whatever quarterback you want but it doesn't mean
05:49saying hurt their quest doesn't mean that you've completely eliminated their quest and i think there's
05:53a difference attached to that so like even though you if you end up i don't know with the 18th
05:57pick
05:57in the first round and you also have the rams pick as well and you might have to offer up
06:02your rams
06:03pick in addition to go ahead and move up those spots i think the argument that frank is making is
06:08that if
06:08you didn't if you didn't win those games to begin with you'd already be in that spot initially so i
06:12could just cost you more which i think i think both of us have made kind of a an agreement
06:16that if it
06:17costs you more that's just the price of doing business and i'm okay if that's the price i like seeing
06:22this
06:22team win i like having my weeks not feel like they just don't matter at all i like talking about
06:26like
06:27we broke down this texans browns game earlier and going inside the numbers that to me is just a more
06:31fun experience yeah and here's the thing the browns can win five games and still have to use the rams
06:37pick to get up to where they need to be if there are three quarterbacks in this draft and the
06:43nfl decides
06:44it's one two and three well you're either if one of those teams is open for business and you're the
06:51sixth pick you get a second rounder isn't going to get that done the only time it becomes a problem
06:55is if you end up like what the steelers did after ben roethlisberger where you're just you're just
06:59perennially in this area of somewhere between 16 to 23 and just and and not willing by the way and
07:06andrew barry's always willing to move up but you're 16 to 23 and so that means you're just never going
07:11to be in the front of the line for the very best of the quarterback class so you don't get
07:14your guy
07:15necessarily you don't get your quarterback that you love more than anyone you get what turns out to be
07:20the third or the fourth best quarterback out of that class and sometimes the and i'm and now i'm
07:24going to do a sometimes i hate that i've started we have enough we can we can do this both
07:28ways
07:28until the end of time that's just the nfl well but i think my point is for every time you
07:32can say
07:32joe burrow was the best quarterback in that draft i can flip it around and go well josh allen was
07:37what
07:37quarterback three quarterback four off the board we could do this until we can do this to the end of
07:41time like that's how that works but again there's optionality there that is not that's not how it's
07:46presented from the nfl at some point people decided this team stinks and the only way they
07:52cannot stink in the future is if they get the number one pick or number two pick or number three
07:57pick in the draft meaning there's nothing that the browns could have done this year to appease people
08:01in the nfl but they wanted this year to be a lost season yes they wanted this year to be
08:05wasted they
08:05wanted this year with the what the preseason projections were is what they wanted to see come
08:09true over under at five and a half don't sniff anything more than that and and kind of is sitting
08:15it for a season and the browns decided they didn't want to do that like though the one clear message
08:19the browns had as many people this offseason was trying to tell you that this team wouldn't be any
08:23good the browns kept telling you we're not just gonna let the season come and go well remember
08:28the browns have had two losing seasons so they've had two seasons where they say we're gonna pull the
08:34wheels off this thing and where she goes she goes it's just their unfortunate luck that there
08:39wasn't a veteran quarterback worth trading for or a another quarterback because twice they picked
08:45at a spot you could have taken them and neither of the time was their quarterback worth drafting
08:50which i think is partly how we got here to be honest is because i think andrew berry has now
08:53gone through two different drafts and said oh no i did i guess it doesn't i'm in the spot to
08:58pick a
08:58quarterback there's no quarterback that's here i'm kind of getting screwed year in year out i might as
09:02well just start winning games and get this thing head in the right direction and then we can figure out
09:05the quarterback spot at some point will the browns strong start to the season hurt them i i really
09:11liked when frank schwab was saying the a minus part of this i got really annoyed about the oh this
09:15is
09:15bad news eric in cam's corner welcome to the show buddy hey what's up i was sorry i just got
09:21in the
09:21car so i missed the frank part but i think this is a good conversation nonetheless and um nick jp
09:28what do
09:28you think if just hypothetically speaking right because so far andrew berry has done a marvelous
09:35job you know building this roster to different pieces that went out and harold fanning and
09:39carson special during guys like that right um what if what if he go out and and and draft you
09:46know a
09:46smart right right tackle because you know the one we have now you know i question his uh his brain
09:52power especially in the teeth of the game um what do you guys think about still continuing to add
09:57that depth and and then when you when you know for sure for sure you can reach and get that
10:02that
10:03number one guy then try to find a way to get him because i think we got a lot of
10:06equity with draft
10:07picks and things that nature so what do you guys think about continuing to build depth and then
10:11when you know you can go go get that quarterback for sure for sure because you like arch manning this
10:15year no one knows projection wise he's going to be in the nfl because he's up and down in college
10:20eric i think i think the problem here is i think your your time to draft and build depth has
10:27already
10:27come and gone i think what this year's proving is and thank you for the call bud i think you're
10:31finally to the part where you're too you're going to get too talented to be bad enough to be where
10:36you want to be so you might as well make that swing by moving multiple picks that you do have
10:41this
10:42year it's also not out of the and honestly at this point i might even say it's closer to the
10:47same odds
10:47as you drafting a quarterback it's it's not crazy to think we'd get a quarterback at some point either
10:52through around the nfl or free agency or something that isn't just drafting a quarterback in the first
10:57round
