00:00After kind of talking with fans at large, watching people on social media, I no longer have a handle on
00:08this.
00:09Well, so there's a couple things in this, right?
00:11Like, how many people are going to go exclusively to Boo?
00:14I don't think it's going to be that many.
00:16You know, like the idea that there's so many people that we talk to that are angry about Deshaun Watson
00:20and the people that want to even not be Browns fans anymore because of Deshaun Watson,
00:24those people are either not going to be watching at all or be watching from their couch.
00:28And so, like, you have to factor that part of this in.
00:30A lot of the people that are going are A, season ticket holders,
00:33and B, people that want to go to see the Browns do as well as possible.
00:37So I don't think that number is going to be anything like maybe we would have thought about it if
00:41it was 0-2.
00:41But I ultimately, I still think the number is going to exist.
00:44I think the number is going to be closer to 30% or 40%.
00:46Now, you have said previously that you would boo Deshaun Watson, yes?
00:51I would boo Deshaun, yes.
00:52Would you boo him this Sunday after one good performance?
00:55Yeah, I still would. One good performance doesn't erase anything from me.
00:57I'm booing for the previous four years.
00:59I'm not booing because of what he's done so far this season.
01:02I'm booing for him wasting four years of my life.
01:04Yeah, that's a big, I think that's worthy of a boo.
01:07I also don't think boos are the end of the world.
01:09I'm very, like, that's how you express your either excitement through cheers
01:13or your displeasure through boos.
01:15Through boos, excuse me.
01:16And do I think overall Deshaun Watson has been a massive disappointment?
01:20Yeah, I do.
01:21Do I feel like there's going to be a million more opportunities to tell Deshaun Watson
01:24that I strongly disliked the four years that he's been here?
01:28No, I don't think there's going to be that many opportunities.
01:30So, yeah, I'd stand up and boo.
01:31So, it's interesting.
01:32I agree with you on booing that it just doesn't, I don't understand why athletes
01:38take a big umbrage with, especially, like, in a town, like, we don't boo often in Cleveland.
01:44At least I don't feel like we do.
01:46Like, this isn't Philly, where booing is really their way of saying I love you
01:50or the Bronx cheer in New York or Boston.
01:53Like, I feel like we're a pretty gentle sports town, even if we are also a little psychotic at times
02:00because, you know, we're avid fans of all of our teams here.
02:03So, I agree with you.
02:05Listen, I wouldn't have booed Deshaun in preseason game number two,
02:09and I wouldn't boo him now, but I am, I think when it comes to trust,
02:16I think the trust tree is built on Sunday.
02:19What Deshaun focuses on when he comes out of that tunnel and he hears what he's going to hear
02:25is going to go a long way to earning trust with Browns fans.
02:28If he has a bad play and somebody stands up and boos.
02:32Like, trust is built in these moments.
02:35So, from Deshaun's side, I think what he needs trust-wise is he needs to be booed less or not
02:41at all.
02:41And I get that.
02:42I can't promise you that.
02:44I can't give you that.
02:45I can just tell you if I went there, I wouldn't be booing you.
02:49But what I think is interesting is from my side of the street,
02:53I need to know if you're going to get booed that you're not going to collapse in on yourself.
02:58And I think when it comes to, like, hey, do I know definitively,
03:01definitively, do I trust Deshaun to handle whatever Sunday throws at him?
03:06My answer right now is no.
03:08But that's what Sunday's about.
03:10Well, within this, so somebody that is obviously just went through how I would boo him on Sunday
03:14if I'm a paying member or paying ticket-goer, I would be booing him.
03:18I would also cheer him if in the third quarter he's dealing.
03:22And this is the part for Deshaun that I think he knows and I think he understands,
03:26but I hope he really does grasp.
03:29If you play well, you can get 100% of the stadium on your side.
03:32Like, in that game.
03:33Now, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden people are buying Watson jerseys
03:36and it doesn't mean that it erases the previous four years.
03:38And it also doesn't mean that you're going to have people loving you.
03:41But the people like myself that would go stand up and boo
03:44and really just voice my displeasure for the entirety of the Deshaun Watson experience,
03:48by the time you get to the third quarter, fourth quarter,
03:51if you're in this game and you're dealing and you're just having a great game,
03:55all I've got to do or all I would do is cheer.
03:58216-474-0092.
04:00Do you trust Deshaun to handle whatever Sunday throws at him
04:03as he starts the home opener against the Carolina Panthers?
04:08I do think they're, you know, the Browns did a really good job
04:11at constantly trying to breathe life into Deshaun,
04:15leading all the way up into that Buffalo game
04:19where obviously things went the way they went.
04:21And even going to the Jacksonville game, like they've continued to try
04:25and tell Deshaun, like, if you win, it's going to be fine, right?
04:28Uh-huh.
04:29And then obviously last Wednesday happened.
04:32Yeah, you got the first taste of that, by the way.
04:34And then it got a bit ugly.
04:35And then, you know, he gets this win on Sunday.
04:37And I just, I think the message now has to be, Deshaun, you've already done it.
04:42You've proven to yourself you can do it.
04:44And you have the best opportunity you've had in at least two years,
04:49if not five years, to go out there and convert a bunch of boos into cheers.
04:56Deshaun will always be just the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns to me.
05:01I don't foresee a scenario where Deshaun will become my quarterback.
05:05At some point between the off-the-field stuff, I think some of his kind of shying away
05:13from maybe embracing Cleveland in a bigger way, and then, of course, the bad football
05:19and the injuries, at some point there's just too much for me to ever feel like
05:23that's my quarterback, right?
05:25Yeah.
05:25But I do think there's an acceptance that can be had.
05:29And I think there's plenty more people who Deshaun can convert to him being their quarterback.
05:35And if I'm the Browns, my message is, if you win against Carolina and you go out against
05:41Pittsburgh, also at home, Thursday night football in front of the entire nation,
05:46and you have another good game, and the Browns are 3-1, the prophecy that we gave you in the
05:52preseason will be fulfilled.
05:54It's right there for you, Deshaun.
05:56You did the hardest thing, which is having your first good game in two years.
06:00Now it's just go out and repeat the performance and get this team to 2-2 or 3-1.
06:06And if you're 3-1, I'll tell you, the next time you come home, a few weeks after that,
06:11you're not going to be hearing hardly any boos.
06:13But you've got to just keep chipping away is the point.
06:15If Rome wasn't built in a day, you can't do it all in one night.
06:18You've got to just keep chipping away.
06:19People like myself that have no interest in really liking you or really even wanting you
06:24to succeed outside of the fact that you're the Browns quarterback,
06:27one game doesn't do it for us.
06:28We're going to need a lot more, and we're going to need a consistent play.
06:31And when you do get booed, and when you do get knocked down emotionally,
06:35I need to see you respond.
06:36Because right now, there's a reason why so many people after the preseason game
06:40with the Bills were like, you can't put them out there.
06:42It's all up here.
06:43It's all up in his head.
06:45And so can you get past that?
06:48By the way, just in what you said there, what's going to be really interesting is
06:51if Deshaun has another good game, the Browns win on Sunday,
06:55whether we stop doubting that part of the Deshaun experience.
06:59Yeah, I think it'll go a long way.
07:00If he stands in there, gets booed, and responds,
07:04the idea that he's a broken toy and emotionally just done,
07:07that part goes away.
07:09But again, this is all, it's like a brick-by-brick thing.
07:11This is all, you've got to do it one at a time.
07:13This is not something that he can just do overnight.
07:15And so I think for people listening and getting angry,
07:17being like, how would you still boo him?
07:18Guys, one game doesn't erase all four years.
07:21One game doesn't erase everything.
07:22Like, this is going to take a little bit of time.
07:24But he can get there with a lot of the fans.
07:27It just has to be week by week.
07:28Kevin on Twitter saying, for wasting, he puts it in quotations,
07:32for wasting the last four years of my life.
07:34And then he goes on to say, and booing will waste that five minutes of your life.
07:38Booing adults is weird and cringy.
07:40Not weird, it's a sporting event.
07:41Yeah, it's a sporting event.
07:42That's kind of what you do when you want to voice your displeasure, you boo.
07:45Also, I think you're just saying this because you're a Watson warrior,
07:47which, by the way, is fine.
07:48You're allowed to be a Watson warrior.
07:50I guarantee you, Kevin, I'm going to need a no-boo guarantee here.
07:54Meaning that you've never booed at any sporting event.
07:57Otherwise, you're completely full of crap on this.
08:00How is it weird as an adult to boo?
08:03Yeah, I don't get that.
08:04That might be the weirdest take I've ever heard.
08:06In the area of weird, weird to boo.
08:09I think it's trying to reverse engineer some way, some defense of booing Deshaun.
08:13Deshaun, I wouldn't boo Deshaun.
08:16Again, I wish him the best this Sunday and for the randerous time in Cleveland.
08:21But if I were standing next to somebody that is booing, I wouldn't go,
08:25hey, don't do that.
08:26That's weird and cringy.
08:27I'm just so not turned off by the idea of booing.
08:30I don't know why there's people that are so offended by booing.
08:33I just cannot explain it.
08:36You pay your ticket.
08:37That's part of the ride.
08:38I think people like Kevin might be a little soft here.
08:41If you can't handle booing, that's the other thing.
08:45Maybe.
08:45These athletes deal with so much hate and so much pressure on social media,
08:50and then they hear this sound.
08:52Boo.
08:53Boo.
08:54That's the one that gets you?
08:55What's so amazing about it is that it feels like it does get to Deshaun,
08:58and it shouldn't.
09:00These quarterbacks, with how much they have to deal with,
09:02if you had to get to them, it should have been years ago
09:04that you'd get to them with booing,
09:06not when they've been in the NFL for, check's notes, 10 years.
09:10Like, come on.
09:11I'm still very young, according to Todd Monk.
09:13Yeah.
09:14Jay in Cleveland.
09:15Welcome to the show, Jay.
09:17Hey, how you doing, y'all?
09:19How y'all doing?
09:19Doing all right, buddy.
09:20What you got for us?
09:22So, I just want to say,
09:25don't boo Deshaun off the bat.
09:29Let the team feel the positive energy.
09:32Don't exuberate the negative and all that,
09:35because that affects the whole team,
09:38as well as Deshaun.
09:40The team will know the boos are for Deshaun and not for them,
09:42and if they're affected by it,
09:43then we got bigger problems than me booing.
09:45Yes, I know these are professionals,
09:48and they understand what they signed up for.
09:50Yeah, if they're affected by it, we got bigger problems.
09:52They are human.
09:53They are human.
09:55And just let the positive,
09:57now if you throw two picks in the first quarter,
09:59boo him to whatever.
10:03But let's put that positive energy out there first,
10:07and let's ride.
10:09Let's go.
10:10Let's go.
10:11If he's going to play good,
10:12cheer him.
10:13I mean, put all your personal whatever,
10:16you know, saying he did all of the whatever.
10:19But put all that to the side for at least the first quarter.
10:23At least when you first come out
10:24and introduce the names of everybody,
10:28just wait.
10:29And he'll mess up and be a boy.
10:33That's all I'm saying.
10:33I like that you're guaranteeing a mess up.
10:35You're like, and then he'll mess up
10:36and then get after him then.
10:38Just wait until he messes up.
10:39So you want a full,
10:39what if he messes up in the first quarter?
10:41Because it sounds like you want a first character,
10:43first quarter no boo guarantee,
10:45and I don't think we can guarantee that.
10:46No, I just want to open the lineup,
10:50name introduction, guarantee.
10:52Like, if he messes up and don't do it,
10:54if he throw a pick on that first drive,
10:56I'll probably get boo.
10:59Jay, we appreciate you, buddy.
11:01Thank you, Jay.
11:02And I do think a lot of people have gotten to that right there,
11:05where Jay is, where it's like,
11:06all right, I'm not going to boo
11:07when he comes and runs out on the field.
11:09But, you know, as the game moves on,
11:11we'll see how he's doing.
11:12He might have a whole bunch of cheers.
11:14He might have a whole bunch of boos.
11:15I just think it's interesting, you know,
11:17Jay's thing is, don't boo him.
11:19It's like, I'm real comfortable
11:21telling other people how to be.
11:23Like, my message is,
11:26I'm going to take it from Tom Withers.
11:29Please don't embarrass the city.
11:31Like, that's, don't do anything.
11:32Yeah, don't throw batteries.
11:33Yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:34You know, don't do anything stupid.
11:35But booing, that doesn't, if that,
11:38like, again, like, here's the thing.
11:40I can't guarantee.
11:41We've got to normalize booing, Nick.
11:42That's right.
11:42We're on a mission to civilize,
11:44and booing is the key to it all.
11:45Let's normalize booing.
11:47It should be an acceptable thing.
11:48But I just think it's interesting.
11:49Like, if the national media picks up,
11:50oh, Browns booed Watson in the home opener
11:53ahead of the game.
11:54Wouldn't they be like, yeah, no duh?
11:55Yeah, I think so.
11:57Especially with the way they picked up
11:58the comments from today's presser from Deshaun.
12:01Fans voiced displeasure over a guaranteed contract
12:05that went extremely poor for them.
12:06Keith has got a whataboutism for you,
12:09Keith and Olmstead.
12:10You get him.
12:11Come on now.
12:11Come on, Keith.
12:12Get after him.
12:13How are you doing?
12:13How are you doing?
12:14Well, here's what I want to say.
12:16First of all, I'm in my, like, I don't know,
12:19somewhere in my 60s.
12:20I've lost track.
12:21But you guys kind of are manifesting the boo a little bit.
12:27Okay?
12:27So you guys should be happy because you want him to play good.
12:34Because if he doesn't play good and they bring in the other guy,
12:38are you going to boo him when he doesn't play good?
12:41Why would I boo him?
12:45He didn't cost me four years.
12:48All right.
12:49So you just, tell me what I said.
12:51Did you hear me?
12:52Did you hear me?
12:53He just, he cost us four years.
12:56Okay.
12:57And six draft picks.
12:58He, okay, I, look, if I was the owner of the team,
13:03Deshaun, you're on the team.
13:05You're never going to play.
13:06You're going to go see if you could get a contract somewhere else,
13:10which I don't think he's ever getting a contract from any other team
13:14because of what he did to the NFL, to the owners.
13:18They're not, he's going to be like Colin Kaepernick.
13:21They're never giving him another free ride again.
13:23I think there's a little different situation there, Keith.
