00:00What's this nonsense about Shador and A.J. Ross and Todd Munkin and whatnot?
00:04Is that a big deal, little deal, no deal?
00:08I was amused by Todd Munkin's amusement at the whole situation.
00:16The way it was framed on the broadcast.
00:18They could be used as in Hayward there for a second.
00:20I think that the way it was framed on the broadcast was that basically Shador was just suggesting a bunch
00:32of stuff that wasn't in the playbook.
00:34And Todd had to tell him, no, can we stick to what's in the playbook?
00:40I wasn't there, so I don't want to speculate on how that whole conversation went down.
00:46I will say this, though, it wouldn't shock me if Shador Sanders all of a sudden started drawing stuff up
00:54on the whiteboard that wasn't even in the playbook or whatnot.
00:57It wouldn't surprise me, but I don't know that it's that big of a deal.
01:05I think that there are other things we can complain about when it comes to Shador Sanders, but I don't
01:10know that that's going to be one of them.
01:12Did you think this was vengeful by Todd Munkin to get this report out and get this story out, or
01:16do you feel like it happened because Todd Munkin just wasn't as suave with understanding what he can tell A
01:21.J. Ross or not?
01:22Yeah, I think a little bit of the latter.
01:25I don't know that Todd Munkin wanted that to be shared with the television audience.
01:32Those meetings are largely informal meetings, those production meetings, and a lot of things get shared with the broadcasters that
01:45would never be shared with the local media, either formally or informally.
01:53And coaches and GMs and players trust broadcasters to use discretion with what they actually share on the broadcast.
02:03So maybe that ultimately ends up being a little bit of a hard lesson for Todd Munkin.
02:09But you know how Todd is.
02:11You ask him a question, and he's just going to give you the answer.
02:14You may not like it, might not be politically correct, but I'll be honest with you, when I was watching
02:25the game and I heard that report in the middle of the game, I was taken aback by it a
02:29little bit.
02:30That caught my attention, no question about it.
02:33Darrell, is Deshaun Watson's job on the line with this Texans game?
02:38No, I didn't think it was on the line in the last 72 hours.
02:41I think I might be the only person in town that didn't think that there was any type of debate
02:45or controversy.
02:47You know, I said going into the game, it was not an audition for Shudor Sanders.
02:52Deshaun Watson would return to be in the starting quarterback once, you know, everything got, you know, checked off or
02:59whatever.
03:01And that is exactly what has happened here.
03:05And so, you know, I think that Todd Munkin did the best he could to try and dance around the
03:12questions that he got today about, you know, is this a long-term commitment to Deshaun for the rest of
03:16the season?
03:16Is this just a week-to-week thing?
03:20And, you know, Todd basically said, well, we don't, right now we're not thinking long-term, but also at the
03:24same time, not week-to-week, but we are week-to-week.
03:26And, you know, so read into that however you want to read into it, but I think Deshaun Watson is
03:32the quarterback for this team as long as he is healthy this season and they remain in playoff contention.
03:38Yeah, Munkin said, you know, he thought it was obvious and he didn't have to say it publicly.
03:42If it was that obvious, though, would it not be obvious for your coaches and everyone else to understand what
03:48was going on on Monday then?
03:49Well, I think what happened on Monday was the trade deadline was coming up, Shador Sanders was coming off of,
03:56you know, a decent performance there.
03:58Maybe he caught the attention of someone around the league that might have forgotten about how he conducted himself during
04:05his press conference on Wednesday.
04:07And they just, you know, were focused on what he was doing on the field.
04:11And so I think that there was a little gamesmanship in there as well.
04:15And, you know, Todd doesn't, here's the thing about Todd, he doesn't like answering quarterback questions on Mondays.
04:21You know, he doesn't want to have conversations about changing quarterbacks after the game or on Mondays.
04:26Yeah, I also don't like answering questions about my weight when I'm at the doctor's office, but you still, you
04:31know.
04:31Part of life.
04:32Kind of the situation is right there.
04:34It's the job.
04:35The job is you've got to answer questions.
04:36Or whether or not you're in.
04:37No, that one's a rhetorical question, I thought.
04:41No?
04:41Okay.
04:42Daryl, Jared Versa.
04:44Yeah, they know the answer.
04:48Hey, we're having fun.
04:50Daryl, Jared Versa or Quinshawn Judkins, who are you more concerned with right at this moment today?
04:55Versa.
04:56I mean, he hadn't done anything.
04:58Not a single splash play in nine games.
05:03So, I mean, him, it's not even close.
05:09At least Quinshawn scored some touchdowns.
05:11I mean, just nothing in the way of meaningful production from Jared Versa.
05:17And so, that is a concern.
05:21I didn't let it bother me for the first few weeks of the season.
05:26We're at week 10, and he's done nothing.
05:29So, it would be nice to see Jared Versa do something at some point.
05:34Yeah, and I understand that.
05:36And I agree 100%.
05:37But I do want to ask you about Quinshawn.
05:39I know the offensive line is obviously a part of this, and it goes hand-in-hand with running back
05:43success and offensive line.
05:44Hey, they've been so good that Todd Munkin's not making any changes.
05:47Those are, in fact, their best players.
05:50Would you have made a change in the offensive line?
05:53Here's the problem.
05:54They traded for Titus Howard, and they gave him a contract extension, and he's just been god-awful.
05:59He's been really bad.
06:00So is Spencer Fano, too, though.
06:02Yeah, Spencer's had a tough couple of weeks, but I can chalk that up to he's still a young player.
06:07What changes would you make?
06:08If you were Munkin right now, what would you do on the offensive line?
06:10I'd bench Titus Howard's what I'd do.
06:12Even with the money and everything attached to it, you just go into DeJuan?
06:16I vehemently disagree respectfully with Todd Munkin that Titus Howard is one of the best five offensive linemen on this
06:25team right now.
06:25Because if that's the case, then they're in trouble.
06:27Oh, he's been atrocious.
06:28But remember when he suffered that concussion, right?
06:31And then they made sure on Saturday he'd get cleared.
06:33And I always thought that was because they just saw DeJuan for a couple days and thought,
06:37Oh, no, we have to get Howard back.
06:40What is that telling you if the response is we have to get Titus Howard back with how bad he's
06:43been?
06:44Oh, I hear you.
06:45And like I said, I mean, Todd was very clear today.
06:49And I don't believe that he was just giving us his version of coach speak.
06:54No, I really felt he was being sincere.
06:58You know, he broke out the kids' remarks.
07:00We can't trade in the kids.
07:02It's like, what?
07:03I don't know where that came from.
07:05But, you know, I mean, he's going to stick with that starting five.
07:10And I think the point he was trying to drive home is at some point those guys got to get
07:14their act together.
07:15I'm sticking with them because I believe they're the best players we have.
07:18But the time has come for them to start doing their jobs.
07:21Knock off the stupid penalties.
07:24Let's, you know, play cleaner football.
07:26You know, hit our blocking assignments correctly and whatnot.
07:30And might make life in the passing and the run game much easier than it's been.
07:34I think that that was the message that Munkin was trying to send to that particular position room this afternoon.
07:41Darrell, give me your final eight games of the season prediction for the Browns.
07:49Four and four.
07:51Would it help if we went game by game for you and did another eight game schedule again?
07:55Four and four.
07:56What a cop-out of a...
07:59That's not a cop-out.
08:01That's a massive cop-out.
08:02That's the safest answer you could have taken.
08:04I mean, it's an answer, though.
08:05It is an answer.
08:05But it's not a good one.
08:07Well, I'm sorry I didn't give you the answer you were looking for, Nick.
08:10Next time, tell me what answer you want so that I can be in and give you the answer that
08:15you want.
08:15I was looking for a good answer.
08:17That's all.
08:17Four and four.
08:18Well, four and four is a pretty good answer.
08:19That's a company man answer.
08:20That's nine and seven.
08:22That's nine and seven.
08:25They play...
08:27It's not the right number, Darrell.
08:28Oh, ten and...
08:30Nine and eight.
08:31Sorry.
08:32I keep forgetting about the 17th game.
08:34Math was hard.
08:35I didn't do very well in school in that particular summer.
08:39Hey, we're having fun.
08:39Hey, we're just having fun.
08:41Don't worry about it, Darrell.
08:42The other day, we're just having fun.
08:43I was told there would be no math today, and somebody clearly lied to me.
08:47No, sir.
08:49You chose to do math, and that one's on you.
08:51That's right.
08:51You did.
08:52You elected into that.
08:53Yeah.
08:53We didn't force you into anything.
08:54I kind of did.
08:55I'm walking into a few doors this afternoon here.
08:57So I asked you about the offensive line, but I did want to...
09:00Part of the reason why I wanted to ask you about that is to get to the question about
09:02Quinshawn and to find out exactly what we do at this point.
09:05How much of this is on him versus how much of this can be held to the offensive line stinking?
09:10At what point do we just say, Quinshawn, he's just not cutting it?
09:15And it does seem like they're gearing more towards Sampson than ever before.
09:20Yeah.
09:20Well, I think that part of the problem that you have right now when you look at the Browns'
09:28run game and you're talking about mistakes being made in the run game or lack of consistent
09:33production there is that it's not one person making a mistake.
09:39And it's also not one person consistently making a mistake.
09:43It's kind of like they're drawing straws in the huddle.
09:45Who's going to mess the play up this time?
09:48And that's what's been difficult.
09:51Now, Quinshawn, I think that the vision hasn't necessarily gotten back to where it needs to
09:59be as a running back.
10:01And I say that understanding that it's easy for me to sit there and click the mouse and
10:05hit the pause button when I'm watching the All-22 film and say, oh, well, you know, if
10:10he'd gone left, he could have run for days, but instead he went right, right into the pile.
10:15But I don't know what that particular play was and if, in fact, he was really supposed to
10:22run right.
10:23So, like, I try and be objective about that whole evaluation, but I do think that it's a
10:28combination of just everything.
10:30Poor blocking up front, poor fits, poor seeing the field on the part of Quinshawn and getting
10:39to the spot that he needs to be when he needs to be there so he can get into the
10:43second level
10:44of the defense more consistently.
10:46I think they've got a short yardage problem right now that they've got to figure out.
10:50Not just a goal line situation problem, but, you know, down in three yards to go problem
10:58and that they've got to figure out.
11:00And so, yeah, I mean, I'd love to sit here and just say, yeah, it's so-and-so's fault.
11:05And if they get that one guy straightened out, everything's going to be fine.
11:09But I just feel like that it is a collective failure.
11:12And, you know, yeah, I think that they're going to Dylan Sampson a little more.
11:17That was hard to miss on Sunday.
11:19Now, Todd tried to frame that as, you know, well, that just, you know, pace and flow of
11:23the game or whatever.
11:24But I kind of feel like we might be seeing a little more Dylan if Quinshawn continues to
11:33be on this level of production that he's been on.
11:36So I know you're talking more specifically about the run game, of which it's more than
11:40just, you know, one player thing.
11:41And I do agree, I think the offensive line has been somehow worse on a consistency level
11:47in the run game than they have been in the pass game, which is hard to do.
11:51But they've at least had moments where they've looked good in the pass game.
11:55The Tennessee game is outside of the Jeffrey Simmons thing.
11:58But I guess my thing is, I advocated earlier in this week for a fall guy from the Saints
12:04game.
12:04And I was thinking Daniel Thomas, who made the stupid penalty of going out of bounds
12:09and being the first guy to touch.
12:10Oh, yeah.
12:11Like, that's just such a, like, when you're Titus Howard, you can make $60 million and
12:17have all the stupid penalties because you know they can't cut you.
12:19They can't touch you.
12:21Daniel Thomas should understand his role in this whole thing.
12:24I know it's not fair.
12:25Life isn't fair.
12:27Todd Munkin just keeps doing the, well, we're just going to get better.
12:30I think at some point there needs to be jobs taken and people need to either lose opportunity
12:36and real opportunities, not one snap, or lose their job because that might be the only thing
12:40that's going to get them to stop making so many penalties.
12:43Yeah.
12:43Or, you know, bench a guy for a little longer than just one or two snaps.
12:47I mean, you know, Jared versus jumps off sides, you see him run to the sideline, right?
12:51We've seen that consistently on that side of the ball.
12:54And while, yeah, it gives the appearance of accountability, the problem is, is,
13:00the behavior is not corrected, right?
13:02They keep making the same mistakes and doing the same thing over and over again with no
13:08change in results.
13:09They're, they're the most penalized team in the national football league.
13:11Some of the penalties that they, they commit are just absolutely stupid.
13:14They can't line up correctly for a punt or a kickoff, which to me is, I mean, that's
13:20just like the, the basics.
13:22It, you know, it's right up there with illegal formation on offense.
13:25Like you call the play in the huddle.
13:26You should know what the play is.
13:27You should know where you're supposed to line up on the play.
13:29There shouldn't be any problems with illegal formation.
13:31That's one of those penalties you should never get.
13:33Sounds like you're a big fan of fall guyism too there.
13:36Welcome to the club.
13:38Well, I mean, look, if, if the, if, if the standards are being raised right now, right?
13:44In that the expectation becomes that they should in late December, early January, be
13:51planned for a playoff spot.
13:53You can't have this nonsense continue.
13:56And, you know, uh, unfortunately, whatever they're doing right now to try and quash the
14:01nonsense of all these penalties, it's not working.
14:05Okay.
14:06Yet another double digit penalty game.
14:08The only reason it was 10 penalties, not 11 on Sunday as well.
14:11The two point try failed.
14:12Even if they had that two point conversion, it wouldn't have counted.
14:15They would have had to do it from the 12 yard line.
14:17So, uh, and credit to Shador Sanders for taking accountability for causing that hold with,
14:23with how he, uh, you know, bailed from the pocket there.
14:25But, um, the, the penalty stuff just drives me nuts because that like lining up's the
14:31easy part of the game, knowing that you're supposed to stay in bounds is the easy part
14:36of the game.
14:37And unfortunately, uh, in areas where it's the easy part of the game, that's where the
14:41Browns are coming up short.
14:42Darrell, we got a boogie.
14:44I know you never come up short.
14:46Thank you so much.
14:47You bet guys.
14:48Darrell Reiner there brought to you by Shabin Jewelers, Cleveland's premier jewelry store.
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