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00:00we did hear from the Todd father today it started with the Mary Kay cabinet report in the eight o
00:04'clock
00:05hour today Deshaun Watson will start for the Cleveland Browns and that means to me sanity
00:11has been restored for the Cleveland Browns I mean what would made sense the entire time continues
00:16to make sense that's the end result of this okay and it's as many people that wanted to see Shador
00:20Sanders play if the shoe was on the other foot and Shador had started the season five and three
00:24and had the same exact numbers that Deshaun had you'd be livid if they would have moved away from
00:29them so like what's fair is fair it's funny because you know this when you involve social
00:34media in these decisions it becomes half of people screaming you love uh Deshaun Watson and the other
00:40half saying you hate Shador Sanders and all of those commentaries are really stupid this is not that
00:46hard this is not uh this is this shouldn't only stupid teams screw this up one guy has you five
00:53and three the other guy played well enough to win at the end of the game but you didn't win
00:58the game
00:58and one guy has a little bit more cachet in the locker room right now yeah and that's and it's
01:05weird that we have to say that like I'm sure the locker room likes both guys you know why because
01:11both guys seem to have good personalities within the walls of Berea like they get along with their
01:18teammates that's not the same thing as I have confidence this guy can win that's totally different
01:24and then by the way I'm not trying to say that this is a knock on Shador it's not Shador's
01:28fault
01:28he only has one start but he has one start and they are oh and one I'm sure he carried
01:34some favor
01:35as as as you know some belief from his teammates it's not the same thing as eight games of winning
01:41football from from Deshaun Watson that's not pro Deshaun or anti-Shador that's just how like
01:47logically locker rooms and your workplace works too but again I for me it's less about the locker room
01:52because this isn't Todd Munkin going around and be like hey it's like an episode of Survivor and
01:55everyone's casting their ballot as to who they want to start like this is Todd Munkin's decision
01:59and Todd Munkin the entire time has believed in Deshaun Watson and through eight games of watching
02:03Deshaun Watson play he's got no reason to think that he can't continue to win with Deshaun Watson yeah
02:08but I think this is where sports talk people and fans completely don't understand the importance of
02:14the locker room part of why Todd said you know oh the the locker room is going to tell me
02:20who the
02:20starter is that there is truth to that and guys have to feel like they have a supreme belief that
02:27the best guy at that position is playing and that's not true with every position by the way
02:32because backup linebacker doesn't get the same attention the quarterback is the most important
02:38thing and yes it matters for that locker room yeah but you're gonna have the same result if the
02:42locker room feels like Deshaun Watson gives him the best chance more likely than not Todd Munkin's also
02:46going to feel that way as well like I feel like those things also work in concert yeah but I
02:50think
02:50sometimes people skimp on that the people who say just play Shador are negating the importance that
02:55this isn't just about Todd Munkin's decision it is informed decision by Todd Munkin based in part
03:01off what he's hearing from that locker room I think the people that are saying just play Shador think
03:04that this Browns team is headed downhill fast and they want to play Shador because they think the
03:08season is gone and Deshaun Watson's not going to be here next year and so like for where me and
03:12you
03:12differ on this is that I we still believe you're in the playoff hunt now again this season might end
03:16up spiraling and that's why I've not given Deshaun the longest of leash on this what's evolved for
03:20me out of the discussion is that he's got this game against Houston and he's on a week-by-week
03:25evaluation like that's how this works but as long as you're in the playoff hunt Deshaun Watson got you
03:29in this spot and he should continue to be the quarterback while acknowledging his quarterback play
03:33has not been across the board so awesome that you can't possibly replace him I will tell you though
03:39those two things do run contrary to each other Deshaun being week to week and the Browns being
03:44the playoff hunt or it being his job as long as he's in the playoff hunt there those things aren't
03:51necessarily like they're those are two things running in different directions and I think that's
03:55kind of an important thing to acknowledge because if the Browns lose this game and they decide we're
04:01moving to Shador and the messaging is well they don't feel they're in the playoff hunt they'll be wrong
04:06five and five is still very much in the the thick of the race in the AFC well you got
04:10basically six
04:11spots already secured in the AFC and everyone's playing for that seventh spot so if you go to
04:14five and five your odds are going to be somewhere around the 25 to 30 percent range so I guess
04:19like
04:19the graphic it will say you're in the hunt but if you've lost three straight and you're five and
04:22five and your offensive line stinks your running game stinks your defense is trending downwards
04:27you're basically telling everybody where the season is going Deshaun obviously learned today that he
04:31was sorry he learned that we learned today that he was starting against Houston his old team and he
04:38says there's nothing really left there anymore it's been too long it's a big opportunity for us get back
04:43on the winning track especially and get you know in front of our home fans that's the ultimate focus
04:48it's focus on that all the outside things you know going against uh you know my former team that stuff
04:52was in the past you know you know four forty four five years ago yeah it was a big deal
04:57but now you
04:58know I think both both sides have moved on and uh you know we're just both trying to find ways
05:02to win
05:03and continue to you know put ourself in position for you know later on down the road so this is
05:07the
05:07right thing to say I also don't believe it because I don't think Deshaun has gotten his get back yet
05:13for a twofold right one because they've clearly had a lot of success in the ashes of Deshaun
05:21leaving there and the ashes of Deshaun's career and he hasn't so I think there's just a very natural
05:27thing of man I'd like to go put up 300 yards and beat them and you know I think that's
05:31a very human
05:32thing even if he can't say it because that would become a distraction the second thing is I guarantee
05:39you that Deshaun Watson remembers what Cal McNair said where Cal McNair and his wife Hannah McNair I
05:46want to make sure I got her name right but I remembered it uh where they said on a podcast
05:50we're
05:50really thankful to Cleveland for giving us all the picks so we could rebuild and win yeah I did the
05:54problem myself is that so Deshaun is always trying to paint this uh I'm gonna take the high road I'm
06:00never gonna I'm never gonna try to I don't know get back or have any vengeance or anything he did
06:04this with us with the with all the Cleveland fans comments and everything he tried as hard as he
06:08possibly could to not say what he ended up saying and I just I feel like it'd be more human
06:12or come
06:13across better if he was like yeah yeah I really want to show that fan base that I still have
06:17it and I'm
06:17still good even if we even if we all know that's not true well so yes it would be more
06:21human maybe
06:22he knows he can't that's a that's a bill he can't he can't uh necessarily cash what do you mean
06:26like
06:26so maybe he's writing checks that he can't cash is what I meant to say like maybe he understands
06:30that if he comes out and says I'd love to be great maybe he knows because he hasn't been he
06:34hasn't
06:34been the old Deshaun Watson and maybe he understands he'll never be the old Deshaun Watson and so if that
06:40doesn't exist then what what trash is he possibly going to talk well it's okay so stylistically
06:45Deshaun has always been the Kevin Stefanski of quarterbacks downplay negate none of this really
06:52matters it's all about the game that kind of thing I do think that's one of the ways that Kevin
06:56and
06:56Deshaun actually did work together is I think I think Deshaun when it wasn't with his off the field
07:02stuff just in terms of how he handled the media did tend to downplay a lot of things and that
07:07was
07:07different than Baker um so I think it's a stylistic thing with him which is why I'm pointing it out
07:12and I don't think Deshaun has learned how to flip gears to be real because the second that he tries
07:20to be real it gets messy really really quickly so as much as I would like a more human approach
07:26and
07:26I feel like if Deshaun had taken a more human approach the last five years I think there would
07:31be even more empathy and sympathy for him in this town because I think by and large this is a
07:36place
07:37that can not necessarily forgive but certainly take it easier on you if you show a human element
07:42I just don't think that I don't think that's something that Deshaun is naturally gifted in
07:47terms of allowing that level of connection while also not then coming out and saying whatever his
07:52strongest feelings are and maybe for this week it's the right approach only because we just don't need
07:57another week of quarterback controversy or screwing up in front of a microphone and so maybe that's
08:02Deshaun's line and thinking on this I just nobody nobody hears that and believes him yeah nobody
08:06hears that and thinks uh yeah Deshaun's perfectly fine and treating the Texans as if it's the Titans
08:10game that's just not true even in the way that I've thought about it you know no one has enjoyed
08:16the Deshaun jokes more than Houston fans outside of maybe Pittsburgh and Baltimore fans which is a great
08:21fat slice of irony in its own place given their love of flawed individuals like Ray Lewis and
08:26Ben Roethlisberger Nick because of CJ Stroud if CJ Stroud never came into their life they
08:32wouldn't enjoy the Deshaun Watson jokes they'd look at it as that was our franchise quarterback
08:35that was our ticket out of suck and it never materialized it's totally fair but I think I think
08:40there's an it's weird because again I don't really like Deshaun like from a human perspective I do not
08:47relate to him on any front a lot of what we're talking about right now of I just have never
08:52felt
08:52like I've got a feel for the the real guy but there is an element to this game where it's
08:57like
08:58listen I want to beat the Texans because that's a good team throw out the three and five
09:02record that is a good team this is a win that if you get it we can actually put some
09:06win in it in
09:07spite of the record I also think it would be kind of cool for Deshaun like we're in a weird
09:12spot where
09:12I don't really you know I don't really vibe with Deshaun on any level I'm appreciative of five and
09:18three but I would I there would be some if if they won on Sunday and he had a good
09:23game specifically in
09:24that order not just you won on Sunday but if you if you had a 300 yard game and they
09:27won I would look at
09:29that and go that good for him I can understand that I think on some level that does matter for
09:33him especially when it's in front of the home crowd here in Cleveland and I think that matters
09:39I mean this is the perfect storm of just awful situation for Deshaun to have to overcome and what
09:45might be the most important game of the season for him think about it like Houston they do the one
09:50thing that Deshaun has really struggled with this year in taking sacks better than just about any team in
09:54the NFL they're way better than their three and five record we know that we've established that
09:58this is a good team CJ Stroud is playing about as good a football as you can in the previous
10:01three
10:02four weeks as a quarterback and Tank Dell is the exact kind of player that the Browns have had
10:05problems with out of the nickel spot as well and then on top of all that then he's got this
10:10big
10:10emotional build-up to this game because he can tell us it doesn't matter but I know it matters and
10:14you know it matters too going against your former team and going against the McNairs you're right to
10:18point out with the podcast comments and everything that still exists there like it is a
10:22especially coming off the week that he just had where is he is he healthy is he not healthy
10:26coming off the concussion like this is the perfect storm of like six different things he's got to try
10:31to overcome which makes this week incredibly hard for Deshaun and also in turn incredibly impressive
10:36if he can't overcome it and it there is the there is the are you playing for your job thing
10:42and the
10:42Browns can downplay that but the answer is the only way you truly know that you're not playing for
10:48your job is if you win you know you go to the bye at at six and four and you've
10:54you know by the way
10:55a fair amount of home games on the other side of this so all of a sudden you add credence
10:59to Todd
11:00Munkin's assertion of how many away games you played here like Raiders out of the bye then a
11:05Raiders team that's starting Mendoza for them would be the second time in his career so like there is it's
11:10just it's so funny because for the Browns it's a big game because you've lost two straight this game in
11:14and of itself if you had taken care of either the last two weeks this game would be a well
11:19show up
11:20let if you get the win great but it's not like a must-have but because you've lost the last
11:25two
11:25weeks it becomes a pretty important game because there's a lot of decisions if you lose this game
11:30that can change the trajectory of the back half of the season but from the Deshaun thing you talk about
11:36his his week-to-week nature you talk about the starting job you talk about the future of his career
11:41you
11:41talk about his past with Houston you talk about coming off the the concussion uh his own kind of
11:47up and down play this year it feels like a bizarrely incredibly important game for Deshaun Watson
11:55and what most most teams will look at this and just go well it's a week 10 game with a
11:59bunch of
12:00landmines that are thrown in his at his feet and so like I I think this so this will show
12:04me a lot
12:04if Deshaun can win this game and overcome the seven different things we just laid out the six seven
12:09different things that we laid out didn't mean to do that uh but if he can overcome all that
12:13it'll it'll impress me because this this is a lot for Deshaun this weekend there's a lot he's got to
12:18prove yeah and this is where like if the numbers don't look the sexiest in the world but you win
12:23you should give Deshaun credit for this kind of win if you can get it because that's that that
12:27defense I they started out pretty paltry D'Amico has them turning the corner and they can still do
12:33the Chargers they had eight sacks against the Chargers last week yeah I think they have 49 in total on
12:37the year I mean they like they are they're getting after quarterbacks well as the Browns proved last
12:42week you don't even have to be a good offense and you're gonna get you're gonna get seven or eight
12:46sacks in a game yeah they turned Carl Granderson into Elsie Greenwood overnight looked like a hall
12:52of favor yeah if he went against the Browns he's that man's gonna be talking crap every single week now
12:57he's one time one time he opens his mouth and he just goes gangbusters you get to do it he's
13:03gonna
13:03that's how Jared Verse built up his whole idea that he's just a crap talker yeah one point Jared
13:07Jared Verse had the game that Granderson just had where he talked crap and it was the best game
13:12he's ever played in his life and so now he's just a talk crap guy it'd be really nice if
13:15Verse could
13:16have a Granderson game this weekend but 216-474-0092 we are talking about the Browns decision
13:22to start Deshaun Watson JP and I are in complete agreement this was the right move
13:26you are trying to win these games Deshaun has won you a bunch of games and you know there's there's
13:34still probably going to be a moment for Shador here but the Browns are in the thick of it and
13:37you've got a you got to give this locker room the best chance to win but we're also asking about
13:42Deshaun's comments and it's just another game we also don't buy that let's go with Jalen in
13:47Hollywood Jalen welcome to the show what's up what's up guys how much buddy how you doing man
13:53the first thing I want to say is I think those guys were definitely into you I think they really
13:57liked that you looked young I don't think it was fake at all thank you you know what this is
14:01this
14:01is how you support a friend Jalen is you go ahead and let them know no those guys were hitting
14:07on you
14:07my end result Jalen I think they were too into them I know your end result was they were willing
14:12to
14:12nail anything and that's offensive well they're into a lot of things special okay you see this
14:18Space Mountain doesn't take all comers thank you very much I'm looking yeah
14:23but uh also guys I listen I listen to this portion of the of the radio station because
14:28you guys are more realistic than Ken I like you guys no you Ken is delusional but well I agree
14:34with
14:35you guys but I disagree I disagree I think you should start watching but on the same end I don't
14:41think
14:41the Browns are that high on going to the playoffs I don't and I think that Andrew Berry has basically
14:50told you all that because if he was really into like going into the playoffs he would be picking
14:56up players from the yard sale digging into ever ever since the season that started he's been picking
15:02up players out of the waivers GMs don't do that when they're trying to make a real run into the
15:07playoffs I think they're only into seeing the development competitive competitive development
15:13from their players during the season it's not about we're not trying to go to the playoffs this year
15:17and since we're not trying to go to the playoffs I think they should start shooting all right so so
15:23one thank you and thank you for the support Jalen good stuff buddy thank you Jalen no problem all
15:28right that's very nice we actually had the um so I think there's a difference between we're trying
15:34to win a championship or we're putting everything into making the playoffs and we're we we don't care
15:41about making the playoffs I think if you asked Andrew Berry and certainly Todd Munkin do you want to make
15:47the playoffs this year I would be pretty surprised if they were saying no I would be pretty surprised
15:53if they have said now that we have started five and four that that wouldn't be a goal of ours
15:58even
15:58if it is even if it isn't the primary goal of this season sure I think they I think what
16:04Jalen's
16:05getting at is are the Browns just trying to figure out as much information as they can are they
16:08really worried about the wins loss out of this and I think they're I think they're trying to straddle
16:12that line and so part of that is why people say Shador Sanders should see the field if at any
16:17point it does start to stumble for Deshaun you got it you got to find out as much information as
16:21you
16:21can nobody's denying that all right Daniel Pickerington has an idea to uh about Harold
16:26Fannin Jr. that I might entertain because I'm sick of watching him chip people all the time Daniel
16:31welcome to the show buddy what you got for us thank you hey uh yeah the uh it kind of
16:37seems you know
16:38with uh Fannin everybody knows you know it's more lopsided he's not you know tight end wise but I
16:44don't know why they're so you know steadfast or just even horse blindish with Fannin just making him
16:50I mean he's a receiver you know I don't know why that seems like they can't acknowledge that but
16:56the um and how this didn't come into play around the uh trade deadline where you know it seems like
17:03at
17:03any position wide receiver was one that we had a little more flexibility with trades but the um
17:11yeah it just seems like it's really obvious to everybody that Fannin is a receiver but I don't
17:17understand like why that's not acknowledged or I don't know I want to get your take on this
17:23Daniel we appreciate you all right so I don't look at him as a pure wide receiver and that is
17:28he is he
17:29does have more of a tight end build and he doesn't have the blinding speed of receiver what I get
17:33annoyed with Todd sometimes is that he thinks 11 personnel 12 personnel and maybe we just don't get
17:41like Harold can play the inline position or he can play like the the Y position he can he can
17:48play
17:48some kind of slot like you can do things with him and then have Blake Whitehart and it's not true
17:5412
17:54personnel so I agree with Daniel's overarching point which is why do we just keep forcing him
18:00into the blocking tight end role why do we keep saying like oh well you can only play tight end
18:04this way or that way sure and I know coach Riz was like Blake Whitehart's good enough he can do
18:07this
18:07that's like that's the whole idea I just question whether or not the the Browns believe that I mean
18:12block you're here for one reason Blake I know but like I clearly they don't trust him clearly in this
18:17I mean we saw it they ran 11 personnel 77 percent of the time on Sunday and it was it
18:22was all with
18:22Fannin like they don't it's a great idea in theory 12 personnel you throw Whitehart in there and then
18:27Fannin gets to catch the ball a ton as he should be doing they they don't seem like they trust
18:31Whitehart
18:31that much

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