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00:00:19Welcome.
00:00:20Throughout this week you have been enjoying the programming of 4.
00:00:25I sincerely hope that the innovative spirit of this chain is already present in each and every one of your homes.
00:00:30Now it's our turn, Fourth Millennium is here.
00:00:33And this is our own personal mystery ship.
00:00:36From there we take off every week, every seven days, in search of unexplored universes,
00:00:40of enigmas to be solved, of mysteries that are still there.
00:00:43And I know it seems paradoxical.
00:00:45In this 21st century, full of technology, full of digital advances,
00:00:49Even thinking about the mystery sounds contradictory.
00:00:52But that's not the case.
00:00:53Historical enigmas, police enigmas, authentic X-Files,
00:00:57They continue to stand up to us, they continue to be a challenge.
00:01:00And we, a team of journalists who neither believe nor disbelieve,
00:01:05but simply look for the evidence and the data,
00:01:07We are here to satisfy your curiosity.
00:01:09Because perhaps this is the most important thing.
00:01:11If you are a curious soul, if you believe there is still much to discover,
00:01:15If you are able to feel the fascination of the unknown,
00:01:19I am convinced that this is your program.
00:01:21We are Cuarto Milenio and we are about to begin.
00:01:25Will you join us?
00:01:51Ochoque is a dead town.
00:01:52And it gives the impression that the people who once lived there abandoned it to its fate.
00:01:57It is a place that has been perpetually plagued by misfortune.
00:02:01How else can one explain that three plagues—cholera, typhus, and smallpox—were concentrated only there?
00:02:07So much so that the other neighbors became little less than undertakers for the people of
00:02:11Ochoque.
00:02:12And I wonder, why were they so looked down upon?
00:02:14Why are there 13th-century songbooks that mention the devils of Ochoque?
00:02:18Why, ultimately, did nobody want them?
00:02:21I've been wondering about that for a long time.
00:02:22And what I have discovered are breathtaking sound recordings.
00:02:26Several EVP recordings.
00:02:27One of them is a girl of about 9 or 10 years old, who screams where there is no one else around,
00:02:31Pandora!
00:02:32Another is a mature woman who says, "What's the closed door doing?"
00:02:36And that's precisely what we're talking about, doors.
00:02:38Well, Ochoque means secret door, door of the cold.
00:02:41And we get the impression that behind that door, behind that threshold, there are still too many secrets.
00:02:47Our team, the Cuarto Milenio reporting team, has gone to the dead village, trying to find the great enigma
00:02:54who hides in the cursed village.
00:02:59Throughout our country, there are places marked by mystery.
00:03:04This ruined village, located among the rugged mountains of the Treviño county, 20 kilometers from Vitoria, appears to be
00:03:11one of these enclaves.
00:03:19Considering the supposed tragic history of Ochate, it makes Ochate a rather, shall we say, unusual place.
00:03:29Since ancient times, these lands have been considered sacred.
00:03:34The anthropomorphic tombs of children or very small people, carved into the rock, are proof of this.
00:03:47The people of Dugar say that different epidemics repeatedly swept through the place.
00:03:53Asiatic cholera, typhus, and smallpox decimated the population.
00:03:58Inexplicably, they did not affect the surrounding populations.
00:04:02Thus, the other villages became gravediggers for the unfortunate inhabitants of Ochate.
00:04:09Regarding the negative legend surrounding Ochate's stress in relation to epidemics, the period between 1860 and 1870 is situated
00:04:16three epidemics: typhus, smallpox, and cholera.
00:04:20But there is no reliable documentation in archives about these epidemics.
00:04:23The absolute silence that enveloped Ochate for more than 100 years was broken on July 24, 1981.
00:04:31The moment when the young bank employee Prudencio Muguruza managed to photograph a gigantic white sphere that
00:04:38It seemed to be hitting the tower itself.
00:04:42From there, Prudencio Muguruza began to investigate the history of the area, and that's when he
00:04:45He begins to publicize the topic.
00:04:47Especially as a result of an article that was written in the now defunct magazine Mundo Desconocido in the year
00:04:5282,
00:04:53in which Pruden describes, under the title Lights in the Secret Door, the story of Ochate,
00:04:59the epidemics of Ochate,
00:05:00the tradition of UFO sightings in Ochate.
00:05:02And it's a bit of a bombshell, especially at a popular level, that Ochate makes itself known to the world.
00:05:06And that's when we researchers took over from Prudencio Muguruza and continued with the investigations.
00:05:13Many of those researchers today don't even want to hear the name Ochate.
00:05:17Perhaps because they were direct witnesses to certain phenomena.
00:05:21One of the most repeated claims was that it was the progressive sound of a heartbeat.
00:05:35Hidden on one of the hillsides, about 500 meters from the tower, is the hermitage of Burgondo.
00:05:41Accompanied by researcher Julio Corral, we discovered among its ruins the story of an enigmatic medallion.
00:05:48It was in 1947, when the hermitage was still in operation, that he continued to surrender hidden within it.
00:05:55A lightning bolt struck the roof during a storm.
00:05:58And that lightning strike caused some damage inside; debris fell.
00:06:06And when Víctor Moraza, a resident of Imirurín, went up to see the damage among the rubble,
00:06:13He found a medallion that I honestly think is beautiful.
00:06:17It is a piece that has been little studied, yet it is very beautiful.
00:06:23Incredibly, this very temple is the exact place.
00:06:27where many people have observed the appearance of a shadowy figure slowly approaching them.
00:06:34They see a lady dressed in black walking along the wall as if she were walking behind it.
00:06:42It's always very clear, a woman, dark, a shadowed figure, normal height.
00:06:49He wears a tunic that covers his head; we assume that's precisely why it's understood that
00:06:55She is a woman.
00:06:55And as it moves, it is not a static figure, but a figure that passes, crosses the wall,
00:07:00It enters the wall and passes through it directly.
00:07:13Night falls on these ever-solitary lands.
00:07:17Silence takes over everything.
00:07:19It's time to prepare the teams so that a new field investigation can begin.
00:07:26Will we be the next witnesses?
00:07:33We left our reporters waiting for the night of Ochate.
00:07:36And what we are going to do, with your permission, is a journey through time and space.
00:07:40This Cuarto Milenio program has the ability to become a kind of mystery ship.
00:07:44And we're going, if you like, to a July night in 1981.
00:07:49In the images you have been seeing, you have observed that gigantic ball of light,
00:07:53That's what opens Pandora's box, what makes a lot of people interested.
00:07:56because of the matter of that abandoned town.
00:07:59The protagonist, the man who takes that photograph, the culprit, in quotation marks,
00:08:03And I believe it is fortunate that we are debating this issue today, thanks to Prudencio Muguruza.
00:08:07Prudencio, good evening.
00:08:08Hello, good evening, girls.
00:08:10Hey, what do you remember when you see those shocking images, right?
00:08:13From that sphere of light that you encountered, well, almost by surprise, or by surprise, we could say.
00:08:18Well, surprisingly, the truth is that what you feel is nostalgia for that time, isn't it?
00:08:25Because the truth is, it was a very interesting time, wasn't it?
00:08:30You also remember, then, all the experiences, what I went through there in Ochate,
00:08:35How many nights have I spent there alone, also in the middle of the night, investigating, delving deep there.
00:08:41And, well, it's always interesting, isn't it, that all that has been recognized, isn't it?
00:08:47So that people can see, and so that many people can then have felt the same experiences.
00:08:52What did you feel at the exact moment that gigantic sphere of light began to descend?
00:08:57Would it be right in the area of the tower, more or less?
00:08:59Well, look, I actually saw that on the other side, I mean, on the other side of Ochate there
00:09:07a town called Aguillo.
00:09:08So, I was walking around there one night and when I came out, I remember, it was already twilight, the time
00:09:15Since it's getting dark, isn't it?
00:09:16So, I remember that upon leaving a fairly dense forest, that is, there was a field, a very large open area, and
00:09:24That's when I noticed that flash.
00:09:26I was accompanied by a small dog, and the dog was already restless before the flash occurred, or
00:09:34Yes, I was already moaning, my legs were going up, I was scratching myself.
00:09:38My first thought was, well, maybe it smelled like some wild animal, there are some around there.
00:09:44There are plenty of wild boar or badgers, and he'll be restless, he'll be nervous about it, won't he?
00:09:50But it was a matter of seconds, and that's when everything lit up; it was like a halo of light in
00:09:55the esplanade, and when I looked up and saw that enormous sphere,
00:10:00On the other side of where this sphere was, there was Ochate, which at that time I didn't even know existed.
00:10:07Ochate.
00:10:08Several universities, including the University of Bilbao, produced a comprehensive report at the request of Juan José Benítez on what
00:10:14There could have been something behind that sphere,
00:10:16And what supposedly happens in that light phenomenon is something physical, something material that is there.
00:10:23So, what is it? Neither we nor even the specialists who wrote the report can know that.
00:10:28remaining a mystery.
00:10:29But another big secret, Pruden, is what happens next. That light is almost like a call, an alert,
00:10:36that makes you start to delve into the history of that town. Who are your first informants? The people of
00:10:40the surrounding villages?
00:10:41Well, look, the first informants, I'm telling you honestly, were my grandmother's friends, who were from there.
00:10:48My grandmother lived in this village, because we had a little house there and she spent months there.
00:10:53and her friends, who were elderly, but elderly women of ninety-something years, almost one hundred years old.
00:11:00And talking to them like that, they started telling me, well, over there, where you saw that, on the other side are the
00:11:06ruins of this cursed village, that's what they told me.
00:11:11And so they all died there, many years ago, and nobody goes near there anymore.
00:11:16And that's how they started telling me, and that's when I began to inquire, when I began to investigate,
00:11:23And everything that had initially overwhelmed me began to appear.
00:11:28Three plagues, history tells us that there are three plagues.
00:11:31Prudencio Moguruza's first report, called Lights at the Secret Door,
00:11:34of which we have seen some fragments in the report,
00:11:37They talk about three epidemics, focusing only on that town and respecting the others.
00:11:42as if misfortune were concentrated only there for some reason.
00:11:45We have tried to speak with an epidemiologist, a medical specialist in these matters,
00:11:49And he has been kind enough to answer us, it is Fernando Nájera,
00:11:52It tells us about the virulence of some of these plagues,
00:11:54and also how strange it is that they focus on that place.
00:11:58Smallpox is a symptomatic disease that begins with spots,
00:12:03the spots on the skin, which then turn into blisters and then into scabs,
00:12:09which is often hemorrhagic, when it is a severe disease,
00:12:13and that will lead to death in a short time.
00:12:17In the case of smallpox, the percentages that have been,
00:12:21have varied greatly throughout history,
00:12:23But recently the figures were from a major smallpox epidemic of 20 to 30%.
00:12:31which, in a way, would contradict that smallpox that wiped out the population of Ochate.
00:12:41In other words, they weren't 100% epidemics.
00:12:46Between 20 and 30%, in the case of cholera, it could be higher in some cases.
00:12:53But there were also many people who survived, weren't there?
00:12:57In other words, in some acute cases it could be somewhat superior.
00:13:01But in other cases, even less so, right?
00:13:04Plagues and misfortune, perhaps reflected in some mysterious hollows,
00:13:08in some graves of children or very small people that surround Ochate.
00:13:12Prudencio, what's truly unsettling is how you discover
00:13:15something that has already gone over organizations, museums,
00:13:20Nobody paid the slightest attention to that necropolis.
00:13:23Exactly, nobody, nobody.
00:13:25It was curious because among the many visits that Ochate made,
00:13:29which were common at that time,
00:13:32One afternoon I discovered, among the undergrowth,
00:13:36I discovered it on a hillside like that, on a hill,
00:13:38I discovered some stones there with a very strange shape, didn't I?
00:13:41Then he said, this is not natural, this had to be done by man.
00:13:46And with a small hoe I began to dig there, I began to dig.
00:13:50One day I went, I dug a bit, another day another, little by little,
00:13:53And then it began to appear, the tombs began to appear.
00:13:56with the shape of the human body,
00:13:59And you already know that most of them also seem to be children's graves.
00:14:03or of very small beings.
00:14:04Do you have any explanation for that?
00:14:06Who were those inhabitants, those deceased people?
00:14:08All the information about that town, unfortunately, too,
00:14:12Most of it burned in a fire that occurred in the Bishopric
00:14:17Many years ago, it burned down, and all the information about this town was burned down.
00:14:22It should also be mentioned that it is located in a conflict zone.
00:14:26at the administrative and file level,
00:14:27in the county of Treviño, which as you know is an islet
00:14:29belonging to Burgos, within the province of Álava.
00:14:32But perhaps what may interest our audience most
00:14:35This is what happens in Ochate based on the investigations of Prudencia Muguruza.
00:14:38People flocked there; it had to be said, it was an incredible phenomenon.
00:14:41The people of the region began to experiment,
00:14:45And sometimes with little care; with these issues, one must be cautious.
00:14:49Well, these are delicate matters.
00:14:51And yes, it did happen; quite a few people had problems.
00:14:56even at a psychological level.
00:15:00But it is true that people started going en masse,
00:15:03also partly the same as people who are genuinely interested,
00:15:08who wants to investigate, who wants to experiment,
00:15:11Well, the typical hooligans go there too,
00:15:13who, by the way, destroyed the hermitage,
00:15:16which we now see completely destroyed,
00:15:17which we already saw in the report earlier,
00:15:20I remember when the hermitage was completely intact at the beginning.
00:15:24And yes, it was a huge crowd.
00:15:26And of course, the phenomena that occur in the town began to take place.
00:15:32There are many people who have tried to reconstruct the past of Ochate.
00:15:35This hermitage we have seen, absolutely desolate,
00:15:38It was able to accommodate certain brotherhoods.
00:15:41They speak of the Knights of St. John, they speak of the Templars,
00:15:43Theories are free.
00:15:44What we do have left is a wonderful portico,
00:15:47who is already in the town of Uzquiano,
00:15:49whose gargoyles, figures, and capitals are truly mysterious,
00:15:52as if the diabolical, the strange, the evil were permanently present.
00:15:57And like a small bus without a sail in Egypt,
00:16:00The people of Uzquiano carried it away stone by stone,
00:16:02as if they especially venerated that portico that is already in Uzquiano.
00:16:06It is all that remains of Ochate's art.
00:16:08But, Prudencio, the night in Ochate is very special, isn't it?
00:16:11You have come to feel things that are the same as hundreds of other people have felt.
00:16:16We have seen photographs, we have seen documents, voices, we are going to listen now.
00:16:19But they have even told me about the beating of a heart, about presences.
00:16:24Could you tell our viewers about it?
00:16:25Well, I've witnessed several phenomena there, haven't I?
00:16:29One of them, what you say, the famous heartbeat, a kind of heartbeat.
00:16:35Also apparitions, shadows.
00:16:37In other words, it's like a silhouette that moves.
00:16:40That flows, moreover, in the hermitage, up above, when it was still intact.
00:16:43But many people have seen what they call the black lady.
00:16:45Yes, she's a kind of black lady, or like a kind of monk, as if she were wearing a hood
00:16:50or something like that, that moves.
00:16:53Then, apart from that, I remember one night, which I witnessed, the pity is that that day I wasn't even wearing
00:16:58I didn't have a camera, I wasn't carrying anything.
00:17:00I witnessed a very peculiar event.
00:17:04And that's when I looked out from the top of the hermitage, because I was coming from the other town, from Arrillo, because
00:17:09the mountain, you have to go through the mountain, walking along a path.
00:17:12And when I looked out from the hermitage and contemplated the ruins of Ochate, the whole town was completely illuminated.
00:17:19But it was a blanket of light.
00:17:21There were thousands and thousands and thousands of fireflies there.
00:17:25I mean, it was like...
00:17:27I don't know, it's incredible.
00:17:28They must have chosen that place for a reason.
00:17:30Yes, that place is special for a reason. You know, you usually go to the countryside and on a summer night you might see fireflies.
00:17:35Here, another one there, or you can see four, half an ocean, but those were thousands.
00:17:39In other words, the whole town was illuminated.
00:17:41There are those who even speak, and you went with a European botanist, Prudence, to check and calculate that in the immediate vicinity only
00:17:48Ochate has a number of poisonous plants, like few other places.
00:17:51Yes, nowhere, he says, I haven't seen anywhere in Europe so many poisonous plants
00:17:57like there is here.
00:17:58Because?
00:17:58That concentrates everything.
00:17:59Why this puzzle of enigmas? Why this puzzle of mysteries? Why concentrated in this place from which
00:18:04Is that the watchtower of ancient mysteries all that remains?
00:18:07We don't know. What we do know is that the testimonies, as Prudencia Moguruza states, are multiplying by the dozens.
00:18:14Some of them tell us about apparitions, about figures, exactly as we have described them, with a kind of
00:18:19hood or in the style of monks.
00:18:21We have on-site recorded testimony from one of the people who suffered the most, who actually encountered
00:18:28This can't be a pleasant experience for anyone.
00:18:29He is a producer from Vitoria, Miquel Colmenero, and this is how he told our team of reporters who traveled to Ochate.
00:18:36We started to take very clear steps, steps that indicated someone was walking towards us, the footprints perfectly.
00:18:44We could hear the footsteps inside the car.
00:18:47We began to see two human-shaped figures approaching us.
00:18:54As they get closer, we can see that they are of considerable height, quite tall.
00:19:04The surprising thing was that when they were about 10 meters above the car, maybe less, I pulled
00:19:12I turned on the high beams, the light switch, and there was nothing there.
00:19:17You're already more restless than usual.
00:19:19You turn on the radio, you try to talk to the others.
00:19:23You hear them, you hear them, you have the radio in the car and they have walkie-talkies.
00:19:28I can hear them perfectly, but they can't hear me.
00:19:33You rewind the tape you had recorded, you start listening and there is nothing on the tape.
00:19:41Well, yes.
00:19:43Nothing is heard until a moment when a very clear voice is heard saying, "I am here."
00:19:50That "yes, I am" was the answer to a silly question you ask a lot, you say, well, if there is
00:20:00Something here, that gives us proof.
00:20:03That was the silly question, and he answered us on that tape.
00:20:08He told us, "Yes, I am."
00:20:11People like any of you, like any of us, who one day unexpectedly encountered the impossible.
00:20:16It must be said that these experiences leave a lasting mark on the protagonists.
00:20:19Witnesses are never the same after encountering these phenomena, which we discuss here on Cuarto Milenio.
00:20:24We don't know what they are.
00:20:25What we are trying to do is investigate.
00:20:27Like Prudencio, NASA investigated the photograph of the famous Treviño UFO obtained by you.
00:20:33Did it get to that point?
00:20:34Yes, yes, he even went to NASA, he investigated the photograph, specifically the oldest one, his name is Kolman Bonkemitsky, something like that, a
00:20:43surname as well as Russian.
00:20:47And they detected, they said in the analyses, that if we can check on the sphere, at the top, there are some striations
00:20:55that are formed,
00:20:56Well, according to them, it corresponds to an impressive braking force based on fluid dynamics.
00:21:02I mean, it had to be something that stopped it, but in an incredible way.
00:21:07And then he disappeared.
00:21:08And then he disappeared.
00:21:09Kolman Bonkevich.
00:21:10Bonkevich.
00:21:12A famous major figure who was very interested in the UFO phenomenon, like many other high-ranking officials we will learn about.
00:21:17throughout these programs.
00:21:19Now, if you'd like, we'll return with our reporters.
00:21:22The fireflies, the fog, who knows what, are waiting for our cameras.
00:21:26An unprecedented device, standing guard in Ochate.
00:21:30Our special correspondents, led by Francisco Contreras, were there.
00:21:36The base of operations is set up in the old tower.
00:21:39A kind of beacon for ancient travelers that shines in the middle of the darkness.
00:21:45We moved an infrared camera to the esplanade to monitor the live signal and record it on a hard drive.
00:21:51Many people claim that strange lights or presences occurred right here, where we found them.
00:22:02It's 5:20 in the morning.
00:22:06We are in Ochate.
00:22:08The tower was right behind me.
00:22:10The cursed village.
00:22:11The image you see right now is what we are monitoring through our infrared camera.
00:22:20You will hear a background sound.
00:22:22It's the generator we have to power lights, monitors, and video cameras.
00:22:30Any object, person, or animal that passes through this field of vision will be recorded.
00:22:37So far, absolutely nothing.
00:22:43The surprise came in the middle of the night.
00:22:47One of the Civil Guard officers from the Álava Command wants to share his sincere testimony with us.
00:22:52I have had the opportunity to see the photograph that a colleague, I'll say, who belongs to the Command of
00:22:59Álava,
00:23:01He took a day off from duty with his digital camera and observed what might be inside the tower, in
00:23:10a beam, a face, or that he could distinguish a face.
00:23:14A face with a beard and an aquiline nose.
00:23:17That's the composite sketch that so many agree on.
00:23:21That's the face.
00:23:26At the same time, in the early hours of the morning, we carried out several psychophonic tests.
00:23:31We remember time and again the two most famous recordings, obtained almost 20 years ago by technicians from Radio Vitoria.
00:23:38The unmistakable voices of a girl and a mature woman, which sound again, tearing through the night.
00:24:00With the first light of dawn, we conclude our investigation.
00:24:04The paranormal phenomena that supposedly occur in Ochate have proven elusive on this occasion.
00:24:11But why haven't they occurred in front of the device we've installed, in an unprecedented operation in this location?
00:24:18Something tells us, however, that there will be another opportunity.
00:24:22And perhaps on that occasion, we will be able to catch them.
00:24:37We are confident that we will continue to pursue the mystery.
00:24:40We are convinced that we will continue to pursue enigmas.
00:24:43This time, as elusive as ever, we know that well, those of us who have been filming after them for a long time.
00:24:49But we also have faith that at some point they will appear in front of our cameras.
00:24:54And that way we can show them to you.
00:24:56And let you always draw your own conclusions.
00:25:00That's what Cuarto Milenio is all about.
00:25:01Okay, how many nights in Ochate, Pruden?
00:25:04Voices, images, photographs.
00:25:07Have you ever felt genuine fear there?
00:25:10Well, yes, there have been some nights when I've felt panicked.
00:25:15Perhaps this past night, when I was at La Ermita,
00:25:21which used to be an inn, because there were tables with plates nailed to the table.
00:25:27And it must have been some kind of monks' inn that was located there.
00:25:30And there I saw the silhouette very clearly.
00:25:33And that day I did feel fear.
00:25:35Did you see that figure so similar to the one we've heard Miquel Connero talk about, for example?
00:25:38Yes, yes, yes, but I saw her clearly.
00:25:40I mean, clearly.
00:25:40I have no doubt about that day.
00:25:43Then there are also the days when that sudden fog rolls in, right?
00:25:48The fog is thrown up and then disappears in the same way.
00:25:51Maybe on a summer night when everything is starry, right?
00:25:54And one night, I remember, from the first programs, do you remember?
00:25:59The midnight program.
00:26:01And Antonio José Alés, of course, on the SER radio network?
00:26:03Well, with the team, I remember, with a girl, Almudena Velda, who I don't know where she is now,
00:26:08But she was also the one who hosted the program.
00:26:10We were there with the SER radio network, recording there.
00:26:13From the first recordings that were made.
00:26:14And that night, as long as the equipment was set up, well, I don't know if it lasted about five minutes.
00:26:20In other words, the five minutes running along the path, everyone with their equipment,
00:26:24because they truly began to be heard, and listened to like the ears of wolves,
00:26:31and that in between, the fog and everything.
00:26:33It was like a horror movie, you know, but everyone was running.
00:26:38And at the SER network we had another quite significant experience together.
00:26:41To record a program, which was the first live broadcast ever made,
00:26:45the first recording made there, in its entirety, next to the Ochate Tower,
00:26:49And that recording mysteriously disappeared.
00:26:52It was something we've left as an anomaly.
00:26:55You were convinced that something was going to happen that day, as always, weren't you?
00:26:58The area reaches a ravine, where the researcher Roberto Pérez has later managed to identify Roman remains.
00:27:03The story of Ochate seems to go much further back than we imagined.
00:27:06And there's still more to be discovered, just wait.
00:27:09But yes, that night, and you also remember that I told you.
00:27:14I mean, tonight I was noticing, I was noticing that we were being watched over there,
00:27:20There were presences there, I told you, and you see how what happened happened.
00:27:26Was it never broadcast?
00:27:28It wasn't broadcast because it disappeared, but come on, in the most incredible way.
00:27:32We hope that this Cuarto Milenio program will arrive without any problems.
00:27:35as we are doing to all your homes,
00:27:37Because it's true that it often feels like something is happening in Ochate,
00:27:41Coincidence, mystery, we don't know.
00:27:43which causes many investigations to fail.
00:27:46Now there are many researchers who continue in the footsteps of Prudencio Muguruza
00:27:48and that they are investigating, collecting files, disappearances,
00:27:51There have been many stories surrounding the cursed village.
00:27:53And I believe, Prudencio, to end here,
00:27:56What's interesting, as a result of this report, is
00:27:58Motivating people, always with respect.
00:28:00Let them continue investigating and perhaps in a short time we can share more, right?
00:28:04Well, I think so, we should encourage them to continue investigating.
00:28:08Always, as you say, of course, with respect.
00:28:11And I am convinced that new things will continue to appear.
00:28:16They will be discovered and perhaps we will understand why.
00:28:21The name Ochate alone...
00:28:24In other words, a secret door, which I believe is the most common meaning,
00:28:30What else can be attributed to Ochate?
00:28:32Secret door, you know it can be a door to the cold.
00:28:34Gate of the cold, passage of the wolves, it also said.
00:28:37Yes, but I believe, I am convinced that it is a secret door.
00:28:40What? Where? Why?
00:28:42Well, I don't know, it will surely be discovered someday.
00:28:46So we'll leave it at that, Prudencio.
00:28:48Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for being on this first program.
00:28:51Hopefully, we can open that secret door and find out what's behind it.
00:28:54Well, let's hope so, and I hope you'll be an important part of it.
00:28:58We left the shadow of the Ochate tower
00:29:01And we're going to a very far away place.
00:29:02We're going all the way to the moon, no more, no less.
00:29:04By the way, have we reached the moon?
00:29:05I think so, I'm convinced of it.
00:29:07However, it seems that a large portion of Americans
00:29:10He thinks and believes the complete opposite.
00:29:11Why this controversy?
00:29:13Well, we're going to tell you about it here, on Cuarto Milenio.
00:29:36Was it really a giant leap for humankind?
00:29:41Or maybe not?
00:29:47Solomon's table arrived in Rome in the year 70 AD.
00:29:51after the sacking of Jerusalem.
00:29:53The eternal city fell in the 5th century into the hands of the Goths.
00:29:56And these were the ones who brought the treasure to their capital, Toledo.
00:30:00Several accounts support this journey
00:30:02and the trail of the sacred object is lost right here,
00:30:05in the old city built on the banks of the Tagus River.
00:30:15Well, Solomon's table may have been in Toledo
00:30:17And in fact, there are many historical references to it.
00:30:24Solomon's table may have been in Toledo.
00:30:32Solomon's table may have been in Toledo.
00:30:35Solomon's table may have been in Toledo.
00:30:52One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.
00:30:56I'm sure you remember these words.
00:30:59They were said by Commander Neil Armstrong as he descended the ladder of Apollo 11.
00:31:03At that moment, July 20, 1969, a centuries-old dream was completed and culminated.
00:31:10A historic feat.
00:31:11So what has happened that makes 38.1% of Americans not believe it?
00:31:16What happened?
00:31:17Some even claim it was a blatant fraud.
00:31:21A setup carried out, who knows, without a set like this one.
00:31:25The Apollo skeptics, as they call themselves, provide photographs, documents, and even recordings obtained from various amateur radio centers.
00:31:34They've stirred up so much controversy that I propose a different trip.
00:31:37A journey to the far side of the Moon.
00:32:01It really was a giant leap for humankind.
00:32:06Or maybe not.
00:32:09From the very moment of the landing, voices were raised claiming that it had all been an elaborate fraud.
00:32:15That man had not yet reached the Moon.
00:32:19But those cries have never been heard by NASA specialists.
00:32:24Going to the Moon was a public act.
00:32:28I was leaving Cape Kennedy.
00:32:31He could be followed from Fresnerillas, from California on the TAD.
00:32:35But the Russians, who were then the Soviets, were following her too.
00:32:40Because the frequencies weren't secret, because they couldn't be secret.
00:32:46Apollo skeptics argue that the United States could not afford to fail in the eyes of the world, especially in the midst of the Cold War.
00:32:53their conquest of the Moon.
00:32:54Furthermore, they add without hesitation that more things happened on that historic journey that prevented the arrival at our satellite.
00:33:02A recording, allegedly obtained by amateur radio operators who managed to access communications between NASA and [the US/UK], has been circulating for years.
00:33:09the astronauts.
00:33:35However, the astronauts were too excited to obey the order.
00:33:41Well, it's so rigid!
00:33:44You're so rigid!
00:33:46Gon!
00:33:47What's that there?
00:33:49It's a weapon!
00:33:50That's the truth!
00:33:51What's that?
00:33:51No, Tango!
00:33:52Tango!
00:33:53You're so rigid!
00:33:56Okay!
00:33:58No, no, no!
00:33:58Communication!
00:33:59Bravo, Tango!
00:34:00Bravo, Tango!
00:34:01No no!
00:34:02No no!
00:34:03Already!
00:34:04So!
00:34:06No no!
00:34:06TO!
00:34:07No no!
00:34:08No no!
00:34:09No no!
00:34:11We don't know if this recording is real.
00:34:14In any case, according to the most recent polls,
00:34:17A large percentage of the population still doesn't quite believe that man landed on the Moon.
00:34:24Some scholars have even tried to prove that Armstrong was able to take his small but significant step.
00:34:30not half a million kilometers from Earth,
00:34:32but in other dusty plains that are only 150 kilometers from the neon signs of Las Vegas.
00:34:41Specifically, in film studios secretly built in the Nevada desert,
00:34:46in the mythical Area 51.
00:34:52Strange shadows, flags waving where there is no air, anomalies in the terrain and in the light.
00:34:59These are just some of the elements that make skeptics suspicious.
00:35:03The truth is that from the moment of the moon landing,
00:35:06Everything related to the astronauts was shrouded in a veil of great secrecy typical of the military environment.
00:35:12A secret that lasts to this day.
00:35:15If it can be counterfeited, then yes, it can be counterfeited.
00:35:19Do I think it's counterfeit? I don't think so.
00:35:22Did they manipulate some images for perspective because it was commercially advantageous for them?
00:35:27Well, that's also possible.
00:35:28But I don't think they did it with bad intentions.
00:35:34Strange things happened at the Robledo de Chabela monitoring station in Madrid on that historic night.
00:35:41Things that some veteran journalists have not been able to forget.
00:35:45They invite us, I'm going to put it in quotation marks, they invite us to leave that little room, that small room.
00:35:54That's when I noticed something about the idea that we should go soon, that there was no reason to.
00:35:59Because it's said that whoever wants a soft drink can go out, and whoever doesn't, stays.
00:36:03here.
00:36:04There was no reason to.
00:36:04And that's the big question I've had since that night.
00:36:07What happened in those four or five minutes and why did we leave?
00:36:10The monitors at that moment displayed a map showing the small volcanoes and such, with the ship advancing very fast.
00:36:21very close.
00:36:22And before it even lands, there, nothing, a few seconds, I don't know how many, then it cuts off.
00:36:30And when it returns, the spacecraft has landed on the Moon.
00:36:39In September 2001, astronaut Busan Aldrin lost his temper.
00:36:44And he attacked, without saying a word, a pole-skeptic journalist who approached him shouting,
00:36:49Swear to me on the Bible that you have been to the Moon.
00:36:52The response was, this punch worthy of a boxer.
00:37:00President Bush's recent announcement that man will return to the Moon in 2018 has surprised many.
00:37:08Perhaps then, we will know the whole truth.
00:37:32Surprising and worthy of reflection.
00:37:34Okay, I confess that I do believe we went to the Moon, but I also confess that there is some evidence
00:37:40and graphic documents full of anomalies.
00:37:43We have them here on Cuarto Milenio so you can give your opinion.
00:37:46To examine them in depth, those we consider the workhorses of the polar skeptics, we have with us Santiago Camacho,
00:37:52a member of this team and also a true expert in conspiracies.
00:37:55Santiago, good evening.
00:37:56Good evening, Iker.
00:37:56What are those key photos that, for the skeptics, reveal the great fraud?
00:38:01Well, we've chosen just a few because there are so many, actually.
00:38:05In fact, the skeptics, those who don't believe we went to the Moon, point out a lot of anomalies.
00:38:10in many images.
00:38:11For example, in this one.
00:38:12In this image we can clearly see how the shadow of the stones, below the photograph, goes in a
00:38:19address
00:38:20And the shadow of the lunar module, a little further on the horizon, is going in a completely different direction.
00:38:25What's wrong with that?
00:38:27Well, if tomorrow we see the telegraph poles, the trees, anything illuminated by the light of the
00:38:34sun,
00:38:35We will see that all the shadows go in the same direction, not one in each.
00:38:40What type of lighting does this?
00:38:42Artificial lighting.
00:38:43If we have a lamp, a light bulb, we see that all the shadows move away from the light source.
00:38:48Those who have analyzed this image say that the light source used to create it could have been located at
00:38:53just 10 meters,
00:38:55If we take into account that no flash was used, no spotlight was used, no artificial lighting of any kind was used
00:39:01guy
00:39:02To make the images of the moon, then, how do you explain this?
00:39:06The phantom light, therefore, there is a light source, supposedly, and nobody can locate it.
00:39:10But some have said that it's 10 meters from this point.
00:39:12Indeed.
00:39:13Curious.
00:39:13But the analysts, the Apollo skeptics, can say what they want, but I have a special fondness for this image.
00:39:19because it was the engineer himself who designed the camera, a Hasselblad camera used by professional photographers all over the world,
00:39:27The engineer who designed the camera, when reporters from the American network Fox presented it to him,
00:39:33He said, "I have no explanation for this image."
00:39:35Because?
00:39:35Because?
00:39:36Very simple.
00:39:37What we see here so clearly is sunlight.
00:39:40As we've already said, there are no spotlights, no flash.
00:39:41This is sunlight.
00:39:42And yet, the image is backlit, but we can clearly see the little sign of the
00:39:48USA
00:39:49Mr. Astronaut emerging from his trapdoor.
00:39:52With perfect clarity, moreover.
00:39:53With perfect clarity.
00:39:54If tomorrow, with our digital camera or our mobile phone, we try to take a photo under these conditions,
00:39:59With the sun in front of us, we will see that we cannot capture absolutely anything.
00:40:03Unless we use what photographers call a fill flash.
00:40:07We took the picture with a flash even though it was daytime, so the light from the flash gave us the
00:40:12enough light to compensate for that backlighting.
00:40:14You can think that, or you can think that the surface of the moon, which is white, could have
00:40:20reflected light.
00:40:21However, it is especially noticeable that here, on the little leg, at the very bottom, where it is in complete shade, flush with the ground.
00:40:28of soil,
00:40:29Even though nothing on that illuminated white surface can reflect it, there is still a brightness, a glimmer of light,
00:40:35which can only come from something higher up, that is, from that hypothetical flash.
00:40:42Again, suspect flash, suspect spotlight for the Apollo skeptics.
00:40:44Yes, but don't think it's all just a game of light and shadow. There are things that sometimes, when put
00:40:49In a forensic sense, they are almost as impressive, if not more so.
00:40:53Look at this image and we see the engine, the immense nozzle of the rocket engine, 5,000 kilos of thrust,
00:41:01with which they were able to lift into the air, to keep in the air this metallic mass that was the
00:41:06lunar module,
00:41:07and that they launched incandescent gases at high pressure through that nozzle, which nevertheless were unable to move the most
00:41:15minimum
00:41:16of the small stones that we see placed each in its place, of a floor that we all have in the
00:41:23mind
00:41:23The astronauts' footprints, photographed a thousand times, on a floor that has a consistency similar to talcum powder.
00:41:29However, that full-pressure jet of incandescent gases couldn't move anything.
00:41:33So much so, that if we look at the image of one of the legs of the lunar module,
00:41:39We will see that it is perfectly clean, perfectly immaculate.
00:41:43It looks exactly as if they ran a scythe over this kind of aluminum.
00:41:47It looks like the cleaning lady came and gave it a shine for the photo.
00:41:50Moreover, in this very fine powder, in this sand even finer than beach sand,
00:41:54This thing, which must weigh several tons, not only doesn't sink or leave any kind of mark,
00:41:59but it seems to have no weight, no consistency whatsoever,
00:42:05as if it were, and I'll leave it at that, as if it were something made of papier-mâché, as if it were something of
00:42:11decorated.
00:42:12And speaking of sets, this image has its own charm too.
00:42:16If we analyzed it in detail, we would find many things,
00:42:18But we're going to focus on just one of them, which is this stone in the corner,
00:42:23that has something that seems...
00:42:25A C.
00:42:26Exactly, a C.
00:42:28In the world of American film and television, set designers use a code,
00:42:33which is painting a series of letters on the floor where the decorations will go,
00:42:37and then put those letters on the table, on the chair, on the things that are going to go in the
00:42:41decorated to compose it,
00:42:42as we have this set here.
00:42:45But man, you say the prop man, the C, or the rock have been forgotten.
00:42:49I think it should go inwards, but it's gone outwards.
00:42:52I mean, sure, it could be anything. In fact, NASA said it was a hair.
00:42:57that when they scanned the photo, they put the slide in the scanner,
00:43:00Well, a little hair got in there, a speck of hair, and it stayed there in the shape of the letter C.
00:43:06What's really suspicious is that shortly after releasing this version,
00:43:09This version of the photo appeared on NASA's website.
00:43:12Yes, he does have hair, and hair of considerable size.
00:43:17with a hairy or fur-like appearance, and which has completely made the letter C disappear.
00:43:22Which already tells us that something, however minimal, has been changed or manipulated in this photograph.
00:43:29What's more, we even have a third version of the same image.
00:43:33A third version, which is the one currently available if we go to the NASA website,
00:43:36all our viewers can find themselves in a place where there is neither hair nor E.C.
00:43:41nor anything at all that might seem suspicious.
00:43:45You continue to experience those anomalies, which would be very difficult to explain,
00:43:47But certainly not that one, and that proves that the images have been retouched, even if only for that purpose.
00:43:52Curious, and the photo among the photos, the one with the flag, isn't it?
00:43:54Yes, indeed, here we have this one which we have included as a testimonial.
00:43:58Because this flag is clearly moving, clearly waving.
00:44:02It's not an optical effect, it's not something inherent to the image,
00:44:05but there are plans, video plans, film plans,
00:44:09in which you can clearly see how, without anyone touching it, this flag moves.
00:44:14Many viewers will wonder, well, what's so strange about flags? They're made for that.
00:44:18The problem is that there is no air, no atmosphere, on the Moon.
00:44:22There is no wind of any kind that can make the flags move.
00:44:25Therefore, that would indicate that the image should have been taken
00:44:30somewhere a little closer than the Moon.
00:44:32As that wise man would say, and yet, it moves.
00:44:35The evidence is there, the data is there, and the opinion has to be yours.
00:44:38Thank you very much, Santiago, for your contribution.
00:44:41We will continue to look at expert opinions from NASA.
00:44:45for those for whom all of this is not so clear.
00:44:47For example, we have the important testimony of Don Luis Ruiz de Gopegui.
00:44:51He was the one who ran the Fresnedillas space station,
00:44:53which was so important in the story of Apollo 11.
00:44:57For him, all of this is, without a doubt, pure conspiracy theory.
00:45:00Well, I think this controversy is so pointless.
00:45:08which, in short, is for a man who writes a book,
00:45:12There are fragments being picked up, but the flight to the Moon was a public act.
00:45:20In other words, it wasn't like Dolly the sheep,
00:45:26that some scientists there in a laboratory without anyone seeing them
00:45:30They conduct an experiment.
00:45:32Strong words that would be on its other side
00:45:34in those of specialist Alan Davis, also a technician and engineer at NASA,
00:45:38who followed the broadcasts from the island of Antigua.
00:45:41For him, other things happened on the Moon.
00:45:43Yes, he did leave, but something extraordinary happened.
00:45:47He made these statements to a local television station in Granada.
00:45:52Let's go with them.
00:45:53Well, NASA knows it exists and lives outside our system.
00:46:03They know with great certainty that there is another time.
00:46:09who comes here to our land this time to pay a courtesy visit.
00:46:16We know this from the visitors we have from that time.
00:46:22And this, thanks to the visitors, exists today.
00:46:26as it has existed for a thousand or more years.
00:46:31And suddenly, I overheard a very curious conversation.
00:46:37I felt that someone else was watching, staring at him and his partner.
00:46:43That someone was watching all the astronauts' activities.
00:46:52Alan Davis's story is certainly interesting.
00:46:54However, his words are not news.
00:46:55in the sense that they were uttered a long time ago, about 15 years ago.
00:46:59What is current is what has happened surrounding an astronaut, Bruce Aldrin.
00:47:03And that's because, over the course of seven days, a lot can happen.
00:47:05Things that are not usually reported in the news media,
00:47:08that don't make the front page, but they're there and they interest us.
00:47:11These are the news stories of the unknown.
00:47:13And those, Carmen Porter will always bring them to Cuarto Milenio.
00:47:16Carmen, welcome.
00:47:17Thank you very much, Iker, for including me in this new adventure on Cuarto Milenio.
00:47:22And, of course, on this new channel, also on Cuatro.
00:47:25What happened to that astronaut? Who is he?
00:47:27Well, Iker has stood out with some clarifications, some truly shocking information.
00:47:34This was said by none other than Bruce Aldrin, the second astronaut to walk on the Moon,
00:47:39that a UFO, an unidentified flying object, accompanied the Apollo 11 spacecraft on its journey to the natural satellite
00:47:45of the Earth.
00:47:46Therefore, Mr. Aldrin has broken a long-held secret.
00:47:4936 years was the supposed age; it was hypothesized that something really happened and that even another of the astronauts took a
00:47:55telescope.
00:47:56Initially, Iker, they believed it was the spacecraft's propulsion system that had detached,
00:48:01But then, both from Earth, members of NASA, and on the rocket itself,
00:48:06Michael Collins, the third astronaut, checked with a telescope they had on board
00:48:10that indeed a UFO was accompanying them throughout their journey through space.
00:48:14A UFO, moreover, with a peculiar shape, right, Carmen?
00:48:16Yes, many other astronauts did, because there are even images of that supposed UFO, they took photographs, even NASA,
00:48:24in which you can see an L-shaped flying object.
00:48:28That's all we know; we can't give any more information.
00:48:30Photographs, mystery. The graphic object and the unknown have always been closely intertwined.
00:48:36We know that you may have that type of material, yes, photographs, taken with mobile phones, taken with digital cameras.
00:48:42Your collaboration is important in this too, isn't it, Carmen?
00:48:45Of course, we also want you to send us all those photos you have where something strange appears.
00:48:50that they haven't been able to identify, for example, or when they were using the recorder and some strange sound was recorded on
00:48:56the tape.
00:48:57All of that can be sent to us in two ways, and of course, the topics you want us to cover.
00:49:02Let's play here on Cuarto Milenio.
00:49:04As I mentioned, there are two ways to contact us. One is through the email cuartomilenio.com
00:49:10and the other is by regular mail at Gran Vía street, number 32, third floor, 28013 Madrid.
00:49:17They need to make Cuarto Milenio very clear for us.
00:49:19Well, now you know, you can and should be a part of it if you're interested in the mystery of this great
00:49:24family,
00:49:25of this large network of correspondents.
00:49:27Your information, your data, your news, your graphic document may be important to start our investigations.
00:49:32Meanwhile, our mystery ship continues its journey in search of new mysteries.
00:49:37of new topics, of new reports.
00:50:03Legend and history tell us that many centuries ago the great sage Solomon
00:50:07He built his magnificent temple and kept three objects of power within it.
00:50:11The menorah, or seven-branched candelabrum, the famous ark of the Covenant
00:50:15And a third, perhaps less known, perhaps more unsettling, the table of Solomon.
00:50:21This table has stirred up unease, dreams, and longings in so many people, perhaps too many.
00:50:25They talk about Hitler, Napoleon, and expeditions in recent centuries.
00:50:29And they all point to one place: Toledo.
00:50:32Some say this table was made of solid gold, others speak of precious stones
00:50:37And some suggest that there was a map or mirror that allowed one to see the future and the past.
00:50:43Truth or legend?
00:50:43In fact, many Toledo expedition members went down into the underground tunnels of the imperial city.
00:50:49There they encountered some very strange things.
00:50:52So many that the cave of Hercules, where all the data indicates that this table exists,
00:50:56It was sealed up, never to be opened again.
00:50:59The Cuarto Milenio team has managed to get inside it.
00:51:02to search for clues about a sacred object, an object of power.
00:51:06Perhaps by watching this report we will understand why for millennia
00:51:10The table of power, the table of Solomon, is being persecuted.
00:51:17Walking through Toledo is like entering a labyrinth full of ancient mysteries.
00:51:23No one has yet been able to definitively determine the exact age of this city.
00:51:28Possibly because it's as old as time itself.
00:51:36The Middle Ages, a dark and bloody era,
00:51:39Here it shone brightly, thanks to the coexistence of different cultures.
00:51:44Yes, that's true, with tolerance, especially at an intellectual and cultural level.
00:51:48In other words, the Christians build their churches, but the workers are Arabs.
00:51:53There is a mixture, a syncretism of currents, artistic, philosophical, cultural.
00:51:59In fact, it becomes a major center through its school for translators.
00:52:05Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived together here for centuries.
00:52:09And various chronicles from that time narrate it in great detail.
00:52:13how some of the most important treasures that have ever existed were kept.
00:52:18Without a doubt, the most fabulous of them all was Solomon's table.
00:52:24Built 3,000 years ago in distant Israel,
00:52:27The true name of God was written on his paws.
00:52:30A word that, according to Jewish tradition, could appease all the evils that plague the earth.
00:52:35This table actually had that power
00:52:39that the elements that were in it did not rot.
00:52:43So, if the elements that were in it did not decompose,
00:52:46The table could not be destroyed either.
00:52:49So, that's why there has been a desire to find out in some way
00:52:56If that table had the power to prevent what was placed on it from rotting,
00:53:01This means that she also has her own life.
00:53:05So, if it has a life of its own, where is it?
00:53:09Solomon's table arrived in Rome in the year 70 AD.
00:53:13after the sacking of Jerusalem.
00:53:14The eternal city fell in the 5th century into the hands of the Goths.
00:53:18And these were the ones who brought the treasure to their capital, Toledo.
00:53:22Several accounts support this journey
00:53:24and the trail of the sacred object is lost right here,
00:53:27in the old city built on the banks of the Tagus River.
00:53:37Well, Solomon's table may have been in Toledo
00:53:39And, in fact, there are many historical references to them.
00:53:41The Mozarabic chronicles, the Arab chronicles of the 9th century,
00:53:46of the 10th century, 11th century,
00:53:48They make many references to the presence of the Table of Solomon of Toledo.
00:53:51And, furthermore, it is said that it was Tariq who found Solomon's table,
00:53:55and, precisely, in the Cave of Hercules, in the House of the Red Bulls,
00:53:58or in the Enchanted Palace.
00:54:03The exact place that the chronicles tell us about,
00:54:06the Cave of Hercules,
00:54:07It is currently located at Callejón de San Ginés number 3.
00:54:11This would be one of the main entrances to access the treasure.
00:54:14On the facade we can still see details of the Visigothic decoration.
00:54:18Right next to the cave stand the remains of an old church
00:54:22and tombs that lend a macabre accent
00:54:24to a place that for many was cursed.
00:54:27We are going to be one of the first media outlets
00:54:30that we penetrate the interior of this enclosure.
00:55:02The Cave of Hercules
00:55:14It is said that there were many expeditions in search of Solomon's table
00:55:18And they also say that many of those seasoned treasure or power seekers
00:55:24They returned as if they had seen the devil himself.
00:55:26The truth is that many people, for many centuries,
00:55:29has sought the enigma of that object
00:55:32which for many is hidden in the bowels of Toledo.
00:55:34But we want to get down to specifics, and we want to do it with specialists.
00:55:37who have actually dedicated part of their lives to investigating the matter.
00:55:41It is a pleasure to have Mr. Fernando Ruiz de la Puerta here,
00:55:44writer, author I believe of one of the few monographs in Spanish
00:55:48on the subject of the cave of Hercules and the table of Solomon,
00:55:51in addition to being a professor at the University of Castilla-La Mancha.
00:55:54Don Fernando, good evening, welcome to Cuarto Milenio.
00:55:56Hello, good evening, thank you very much.
00:55:58And Lorenzo Fernández, an old adventure companion,
00:56:01not old because of his obvious youth,
00:56:04but by the number of years we've spent filming together
00:56:06in search of mystery reporting.
00:56:08Today he is the editor of Enigmas magazine and has also written books.
00:56:10as Keepers of the Secret, surrounding this mystery,
00:56:13which also has to do not only with Toledo,
00:56:15but then we will discover that there are other people who searched in other provinces
00:56:18Solomon's table.
00:56:19Lorenzo, welcome to Cuarto Milenio.
00:56:21Well, I'll add, good night, Iker.
00:56:22There are many people who say that Spain is lost, let's put it that way,
00:56:26because a prophecy was broken, because King Rodrigo, no more and no less,
00:56:30He entered that cave or that place and defied, I don't know, the gods, the curses, right?
00:56:34While trying to find Solomon's table.
00:56:36Well, that entrance of King Rodrigo into the church of Hercules,
00:56:39or to the house of the clods, as it was called then,
00:56:41It's almost, almost a historical fact, but I'm not saying it's entirely a historical fact.
00:56:46Many chronicles appear.
00:56:48Then, the part about Solomon's table, for me, is just a legend.
00:56:53a legend introduced by the Arabs, and I've more or less researched it,
00:56:57And I believe that the whole story of Solomon's table was introduced by the Arabs,
00:57:01around the 10th century, in the first chronicle they wrote about him,
00:57:05that of Abel Alcutilla, which was written around 850,
00:57:09and it is written in the city of Samarra.
00:57:11Because the earliest chronicles we have, the Mozarabic one, and that of Abel Javid,
00:57:16And those by Abel Cordader, these do not mention the table,
00:57:19Yes, they mention the house of the terracotta, they mention the treasures,
00:57:23They mention everything that happens there, I mean, the tapestry and all.
00:57:25What is certain is that the Visigothic kings had taken very good care of themselves.
00:57:28to put a lock on each of those entrances that led to the treasure.
00:57:33They didn't want anyone to profane the secret,
00:57:35Doing so would entail what we just heard, the loss of all possessions.
00:57:39Lorenzo, it is true that in other provinces of Spain,
00:57:41The table of Solomon has also been sought with great zeal, not only in Toledo.
00:57:44Jaén is another one of those cities, well, then,
00:57:46observed with a magnifying glass by many researchers, until very recently.
00:57:50Indeed, we also have to see that history is a story
00:57:54of looting and conquest, evidently at the time when the Arabs went to Toledo,
00:57:57They gather the treasure found there,
00:58:00Among them is supposedly that magical symbol which is the Table of Solomon,
00:58:03And as they withdraw, as the Christian troops advance in the reconquest,
00:58:07It seems that at one point his intention was to pass that treasure on with that table,
00:58:12with that sacred object, to North Africa, but they could not,
00:58:14so they had to bury him in a very specific place on the Iberian Peninsula,
00:58:19specifically in Jaén.
00:58:20Many researchers, in fact, have been searching for centuries,
00:58:23I'm not talking about two days ago, it was a long time ago, looking for that table,
00:58:26and some even claim to have located her, no more and no less,
00:58:29that very close to or even below the cathedral floor, the floor of the Jaén cathedral.
00:58:33This bishop remained like a veritable mummy, we are seeing it.
00:58:37surprising images of a man who was buried for a long time in a drawer in the cathedral itself,
00:58:42And it shows that many people had faith, the certainty that that physical object existed.
00:58:48Bishop Alonso Suárez de la Fuente del Sauce,
00:58:50who had already drunk from the initiatory knowledge when he was in Galicia,
00:58:54in the diocese of Mondoñedo, later in Málaga and then in Jaén,
00:58:57This man knew something, he knew too much, to the point that he upset his own ecclesiastical hierarchy.
00:59:01which practically condemned him, despite being a true benefactor, to utter oblivion.
00:59:06In fact, he was condemned to die as a heretic inside a coffin.
00:59:10This man remained for 350 years without a place to be buried.
00:59:14so it seems that he found something that bothered him a lot
00:59:17and that he also did it, at a time when the episcopal table was practically ruined,
00:59:22It made him incredibly rich.
00:59:23He was a man who also left behind his strange symbolism,
00:59:26symbolism related to the entire search for Solomon's table,
00:59:30both on the wall, on the walls of the cathedral as well as in other temples that he built.
00:59:34Fernando, therefore, the table or the archetype, whatever it is, the object that is being sought,
00:59:39What power could he be hiding? Why was he being so relentlessly pursued? Why with such intensity?
00:59:43Well, I think it's because, not because of its value as a jewel, gold, emeralds, or precious stones,
00:59:52but because on what was the table was written a name that was the true name of God.
01:00:00Or, as other versions also state, it was a text in which something was deciphered or...
01:00:08revealed
01:00:09the power of the name, the doctrine of the name, the power of the word,
01:00:13What many hermeticists speak of is the pre-Adamic language, that whoever knows it masters things
01:00:17because he knows the true name of things.
01:00:19A hidden language, then?
01:00:21The authentic language, not the hidden one, yes, of course hidden, but only because it is possessed by a few initiates.
01:00:27It is the pre-Adamic language, that is, the language in which, as recounted in Genesis,
01:00:33When God tells Adam to name things, he will name them.
01:00:37Only he who knows the true name of the thing, the being, the object, the plant, the animal,
01:00:42has power over him.
01:00:44And for a long time it was believed that on Solomon's table was none other than the genuine
01:00:49and true, the only name of God.
01:00:51But even other cultures, if you have some notes there, Fernando, have spoken of those magic words.
01:00:55that we imagine that they were repeated with different purposes that we no longer know, we have lost that knowledge.
01:00:59Yes, the world of language, which is extremely interesting, from both an orthodox, semiotic point of view,
01:01:09As the hermetic viewpoint, it has always given place to a belief that there are certain words
01:01:15with power.
01:01:16And there are people like that in every culture.
01:01:18Words with power?
01:01:18For example, these are very curious words; we have "al mazar," which fosters friendship between men and women,
01:01:26al taktrai, which is engraved on an iron triangle and destroys crops,
01:01:30a of the amen, which is engraved on a stone and destroys buildings and fountains,
01:01:35Then we have, for example, the Hebrews, which are two sacred words for them, which are
01:01:39sen anforas y shabaot.
01:01:41They were amphorae, which was supposedly what was on the table.
01:01:45Yes, supposedly that's what they say, but of course, later, if there's time, I'll tell you some stories about the table.
01:01:49Where can I wander, stumbling around, apart from everything it leaves behind?
01:01:52Hidden codes, now that they are so fashionable, by the way, in literature, secret codes and words, we repeat,
01:01:57I think it's a very interesting concept, of power, repeated in certain circumstances.
01:02:01They could generate, who knows, perhaps certain effects.
01:02:04By the way, Lorenzo, those who searched for the cellar, we're talking about groups, secret societies, they're also very fashionable.
01:02:09They have also spoken of Freemasonry, of more or less discreet brotherhoods,
01:02:13who have relentlessly pursued that object of power.
01:02:16And we're not talking about centuries ago, but almost up to the present day.
01:02:19Yes, moreover, in this case we are talking about genuine secret societies,
01:02:23which included members of the church, members of royalty, members of the nobility, from different eras.
01:02:28In this case we have, for example, evidence that in 1969,
01:02:31A researcher was studying the yellowed papyri in the archive of the diocese of Jaén,
01:02:38from the cathedral archives, and found a document containing a list of names,
01:02:41Among them was, for example, Alonso Suárez de la Fuente del Sauce himself,
01:02:45And the letterhead said those who searched for the cellar.
01:02:48We can clearly see that there is a cave here too, just like in Toledo.
01:02:50We are talking about the area beneath the Holy Chapel of the High Altar, of the cathedral,
01:02:54There is a cave where, supposedly, in times past,
01:02:57It may have been guarded precisely what is known as the Table of Solomon,
01:03:01or part of Solomon's Table.
01:03:02But not only that, just like in Toledo, there are also the remaining walls of the Gothic cathedral,
01:03:07Specifically the North Wall, there we have some rather strange symbolism,
01:03:10which, as in Toledo, is apparently making a direct reference
01:03:14to what that Table of Solomon is, and which, of course, has nothing to do with the brands
01:03:18of a stonemason.
01:03:19Of course, these are signs for initiates; it's like a map with certain keys that only a few know how to follow.
01:03:23Of course, we're going to try it on Cuarto Milenio.
01:03:25I would like to say goodbye with a word, not of power, but rather with a question of power.
01:03:29Okay, Fernando, if I were to ask you, in your opinion, where might the Table of Solomon be?
01:03:34Very briefly, or the object of power, and Lorenzo, let's see if we get to the same point, are totally different.
01:03:39What would you say to me?
01:03:40The Table of Solomon, as a physical thing, is nowhere to be found.
01:03:44The archetypal idea of what Solomon's Table is, is within oneself.
01:03:50It is an object of inner power; it does not physically exist.
01:03:52Exactly, it is an object of inner power.
01:03:54I don't agree with Fernando, but I also partly think that Jimeno is very close to Torredón.
01:03:58where that great Visigothic treasure is located, along with that of Guarrazar,
01:04:02Very close by there are remains that lead us to believe that the Table of Solomon,
01:04:05or at least one of its legs, where the semaphorás, the name of power, was also written,
01:04:10They could be buried there, or at least there was a time when they were.
01:04:14Perhaps we should also consider whether what was important was the Table of Solomon itself.
01:04:18or what was on top of Solomon's Table, but obviously this would be too broad and arduous.
01:04:23Material for another program; some speak of a map, a mirror, seeing the future, seeing the
01:04:27past.
01:04:27The truth is that since the Temple of Jerusalem, since the magnificent Solomon,
01:04:31It is about an object, a series of objects, that are being looted from one place to another.
01:04:35The trail goes cold in Toledo.
01:04:36Thank you, Lorenzo, thank you, Fernando, for participating in this first program.
01:04:40And we have left our colleague Juan Vallejo practically eager to enter the very cave of Hercules.
01:04:47Is the treasure there? Are the remains of so many treasure hunters there?
01:04:51Let's find out.
01:04:59The interior of this cave invites reflection, for the mystery remains alive within it.
01:05:05The holes we see in one of its walls were drilled by workers sent here by Cardinal Silicio
01:05:11in 1546,
01:05:13searching for gold that was no longer there.
01:05:15His efforts were in vain.
01:05:17Perhaps that's why he decided to plug it.
01:05:20Ten members of that expedition died in strange circumstances, convinced they had seen hell.
01:05:29Following the trail of Solomon's table is no easy task.
01:05:32However, almost unnoticed in some of its corners, we can find ancient signs in the form of hieroglyphs.
01:05:39A clear example is the stonemason's marks that appear on one of the cathedral walls,
01:05:44which for many researchers are directly related to this age-old quest
01:05:49of an object that became part of the oldest Muslim traditions.
01:05:57There is one fact that, while not historical, I find particularly relevant or interesting,
01:06:02Tolero is the only city that appears in the Arabian Nights.
01:06:06a masterpiece from Teotihuacan, written in the 10th century,
01:06:09where it is already mentioned that when Tarik arrives in Tolero,
01:06:12He enters an underground space, a cavern,
01:06:15And there she finds, among a vast treasure of pearls, hyacinths, diadems, and jewels,
01:06:19The table that the prophet Solomon, son of David, is said to have loved, says the book.
01:06:26But where can we look for Solomon's table, if it never left Toledo?
01:06:33The truth is, if anyone wanted to hide it, they couldn't have found a better place.
01:06:37hidden from the visitor's eyes,
01:06:40This city has an entire underground world of endless tunnels,
01:06:43whose origin and use is an even greater enigma than the search for the table itself.
01:06:49The entire Toledan Rock, where the city is located,
01:06:53It is, well, composed of this grain of anatexia, isn't it?
01:06:56It's an extremely hard material, and well, one of the mysteries of these underground passages is that, of course,
01:07:01The dating, as you correctly asked, reaches almost 4,000 years old.
01:07:06And here were four families from the Tiberius, on the other side of the river,
01:07:11with four wooden tools, that is, it's one of the enigmas,
01:07:14the construction of these underground tunnels.
01:07:17The identity of the builder of these tunnels and their true function remain a complete mystery.
01:07:22Many point to a gigantic school of negromancy or occult magic,
01:07:27where experts from all over Europe came.
01:07:29Many of these passageways are blocked up,
01:07:32without knowing for sure what is hidden on the other side.
01:07:39In fact, a chest of gold coins was found a few years ago,
01:07:43in an unprecedented Islamic drought in the city of Toledo, in one of these false walls.
01:07:49Two bricklayers found him; they came out with their coins.
01:07:51And everything turned out fantastic, it's in the Santa Cruz Museum.
01:07:56Thousands of tourists visit this beautiful city every year,
01:08:00to delight in the beauty of some streets,
01:08:02that have the power to transport us to another time.
01:08:06Beneath the feet of the walkers, a few meters away,
01:08:09It is possible that incredible riches still remain,
01:08:13even the Table of Solomon.
01:08:15But we must never forget that the greatest treasure that exists in Toledo,
01:08:18It is his own legend.
01:08:23She will remain hidden somewhere, in some province, in some country,
01:08:26The Table of Solomon, as we have seen, many believe it to be true,
01:08:30And they continue to search for it, and will perhaps continue to do so in the coming centuries.
01:08:34because history is full of mystery, of enigmas,
01:08:35from areas that are not very well known.
01:08:38The news is an example.
01:08:39Carmen, by the way, there has been one last discovery
01:08:42which we could describe as sensational from an archaeological standpoint.
01:08:45Yes, it's true, the Israeli authorities
01:08:48They confirmed the discovery this week.
01:08:51of the first Christian church of which there is record.
01:08:54The first one.
01:08:55Theologians have already dated it to the 3rd or 4th centuries.
01:08:58A truly stunning mosaic has also been discovered.
01:09:01It features the typical fish symbols of Christianity and also a word,
01:09:06a word that everyone will know, Jesus, Jesus Christ.
01:09:10It would perhaps be, Carmen, the first time that this inscription mentioning Jesus of Nazareth has been seen.
01:09:15And it's not the only inscription there is.
01:09:17Three others written in ancient Greek have also been discovered.
01:09:23One of them refers to the table of the Last Supper,
01:09:26in which Jesus Christ was with the apostles.
01:09:29Until the beginning, up to this point, it was believed to be an altar, the table,
01:09:33which was not such an object, but in this case we are talking about a material object.
01:09:37That table where Jesus Christ held the last supper.
01:09:41It was in Mejido.
01:09:42It was in Mejido. Furthermore, this place is interesting because the New Testament
01:09:46He identifies it with Armageddon, the place where a great war was going to take place.
01:09:50which would end with the end of Iker's world.
01:09:52Well, let's hope, of course, as always, that the scriptures and the prophets are wrong.
01:09:57But we have gone from Solomon's table to the table of the Last Supper.
01:10:00Both, undoubtedly, carry a great deal of mystery.
01:10:03As we mentioned before, the photographs you can send us are mysterious.
01:10:07Amazing photographs and, to be honest,
01:10:09They shrink the soul, whatever they are.
01:10:12The example is right there, Carmen.
01:10:14It's even a little creepy.
01:10:15Yes, that's true.
01:10:16A friend from Barcelona kindly sent us this photograph
01:10:20where they were on a wedding day, celebrating,
01:10:23Moreover, I was very pleased, as it was a family member's wedding.
01:10:27And when they took one of the typical photos, something strange appeared behind them.
01:10:32Someone who shouldn't have been there.
01:10:33And that in the photograph we can see a person.
01:10:36It's a woman's face.
01:10:38It's a very clear woman's face.
01:10:39But you can even see the teeth.
01:10:42Our computer analyst, Guillermo León, has analyzed this image.
01:10:47And the first thing he said was that it's not a fraud.
01:10:49There is no photo retouching of any kind.
01:10:52It was also taken at night, with a flash.
01:10:56which rules out many things.
01:10:58There is movement, there is an overall blurriness in the photograph,
01:11:00due to the slight movement of the hand during the exposure time, for example.
01:11:04And whose face will this be?
01:11:05Who will it belong to?
01:11:07These are enigmas that we take almost for granted,
01:11:10because quite a few people have assured us that they have these kinds of photographs
01:11:14and that they don't know what's there.
01:11:15We will try to analyze it using all available means, always seeking a logical solution.
01:11:19In this case, it seems that it does not exist.
01:11:21Most importantly, make sure they are clear on how to contact Cuarto Milenio.
01:11:25Sure, we'll repeat those two contact methods.
01:11:28And one way is through email, cuartomilenio.com
01:11:32and the second by regular mail,
01:11:34where we will collect all the material that you send us
01:11:36And of course we'll show it here after each program.
01:11:40That other way to contact them is at Gran Vía street, number 32,
01:11:43third floor, 28013 Madrid.
01:11:46And of course, on behalf of his Cuarto Milenio program.
01:11:49Each of these investigations will be fundamental in order to try to reach a verdict.
01:11:54Mystery is like that, as we said before, elusive, strange,
01:11:58But we pursued him.
01:11:59Our mystery ship continues its search for new horizons
01:12:02in space, in history, in the past, in conspiracy.
01:12:06What we are sure of is that next week, in seven days,
01:12:09We will be here with all of you, ready to pose at least three riddles.
01:12:13and that you always have all the information and can form your own opinions.
01:12:18We'll be waiting for you. Fourth Millennium. This is the appointment.
01:12:23What you are about to see is real.
01:12:28These are images collected by some Central European researchers
01:12:32who began their experiments in 1985.
01:12:43Whose faces do these belong to?
01:12:46What are these unsettling faces looking for?
01:12:49peeking out onto our television screens?
01:12:55Like psychophony, their purpose is to offer comfort.
01:13:01to humanity or to their loved ones,
01:13:05because that's what they said, to offer comfort,
01:13:08to show them that life doesn't end here.
01:13:16One of the most disturbing cases, once considered the strangest in Europe,
01:13:21It happened almost two decades ago in the vicinity of the Madrid town of Somosierra.
01:13:27Andrés Martínez, along with his wife Carmen Gómez and his son Juan Pedro,
01:13:31They happily set off from a small village in Murcia.
01:13:35However, they never reached their destination.
01:13:38The tanker truck that Andrés was driving,
01:13:41It overturned at high speed on the old National Highway 1,
01:13:44causing an unprecedented catastrophe in the area.
01:13:47The dangerous cargo, sulfuric acid,
01:13:51It affected the fields and the riverbank.
01:13:53The bodies of the married couple lay lifeless in the twisted wreckage.
01:13:57The child simply wasn't there.
01:14:13In the 1950s, Francisco Franco received, in an official audience at the Palace of El Pardo,
01:14:17to a character, an author, named Jaquín Bor.
01:14:21It was truly curious that Franco was able to receive this character at the Palace of El Pardo.
01:14:25because it was actually a pseudonym that he himself used in a book called Freemasonry.
01:14:30And that he wrote it, moreover, with the help of Carrero Blanco,
01:14:32who, well, as he was his collaborator in many aspects after the Civil War,
01:14:34This was also the case in the confession of this book, which contained a series of articles against the Freemasons.
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