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00:00:02In this 21st century, there are many people who think that there are no more mysteries left to solve.
00:00:10Many people are convinced that this reality no longer has any surprises to fascinate us with.
00:00:18We believe the complete opposite.
00:00:21We believe that the mystery, in the broadest sense of the word, is there.
00:00:26We've come to tell the tale.
00:00:28Well, we are Cuarto Milenio, you are all welcome and let's begin.
00:01:01I am convinced that this new season of Cuarto Milenio is going to be full of surprises.
00:01:06And they'll understand perfectly.
00:01:08One of the classic sections of our program is photographic analysis.
00:01:12The photographs of the mystery.
00:01:13Carmen Porter, good evening.
00:01:14Good evening, Iker.
00:01:15Now, to the work you do together with Guillermo León, our IT analyst, we are going to add an element that is giving
00:01:20lots to talk about.
00:01:21The videos.
00:01:22Of course, it has become fashionable, especially through the internet.
00:01:26Those videos where strange beings apparently appear.
00:01:29Also unidentified flying objects.
00:01:31But today we're going to analyze a strange being that has apparently been captured by some campers in a forest
00:01:37from Girona.
00:01:38There they encountered a winged, tremendous being, who gave them a terrible fright, Iker.
00:01:44They were out at night, decided to record with their camera, and suddenly came across two enormous wings.
00:01:50They follow the trail of feathers.
00:01:52They also said there was a trail of blood they were following.
00:01:56And what they find is a terrifying being that stares at them with tremendous red eyes from the darkness.
00:02:02They get very scared, they throw the camera away and leave everything there.
00:02:06This happened in our country, in Girona.
00:02:08But there are also other very similar videos circulating online that were recorded in other locations.
00:02:13countries.
00:02:14In this case we traveled to Holland, Iker.
00:02:16There, too, a winged creature has apparently been discovered in a forest by some boys who were...
00:02:23back at a campsite.
00:02:25Two identical themes, two different locations, but the same technique.
00:02:30Deceiving everyone by making it seem as if this being was really populating the forests of different cities.
00:02:37We have received hundreds of messages during the summer talking about this filming which, as we have said, is already practically international.
00:02:44We have discovered that there are copies, which means there is no truth.
00:02:47Guillermo León's verdict: fraud.
00:02:48Guillermo León's verdict: a complete fraud.
00:02:52Furthermore, it is very clear how that being is perfectly illuminated so that its red eyes are visible.
00:02:57Because those wings were created to deceive people, and not only in our country.
00:03:02As I said, this series of videos is also being distributed in England, Holland, and France.
00:03:07The important thing is that we want you to send us these recordings, whether they are from the internet or, of course, your own.
00:03:13And we will continue to analyze those mysterious photographs.
00:03:16But we have to start now, going all in.
00:03:19We have topics, three in particular, that are well worth listening to.
00:03:21These are them.
00:03:24Tonight we investigate a strange death in the shadow of the cathedral.
00:03:30We will also learn the true story of the exorcist.
00:03:35And we will discover the arithmetic of the so-called Key 11.
00:03:48We've seen them thousands of times, but they still move our souls in the same way, as if it were the first time.
00:03:55every time they are projected.
00:03:56Experts say that the 21st century began here.
00:03:59In fact, it will almost be five years since this event.
00:04:04An event that has always been full of mysteries and enigmas.
00:04:08In Cuarto Milenio, with all due respect and remembering the victims, of course,
00:04:11We also want to remember a lot of myths, fables, and strange legends,
00:04:16Many people, since they are already online, don't know what part of it is true and what part is fraud.
00:04:20We're going to try to discover what lies hidden on the other side of those events that changed the world.
00:04:259/11.
00:04:34On August 10, the British Home Office announced the culmination of a counter-terrorism operation
00:04:40that had thwarted a new large-scale terrorist attack.
00:04:44The plan was to simultaneously blow up several passenger planes in mid-air.
00:04:49Several dates have been considered for the attack.
00:04:52One of the most likely dates was August 11th.
00:05:05Few were those who did not relive bitter memories of recent history during those days,
00:05:11such as the attacks of September 11, 2001 in the United States, or those of March 11 in Madrid.
00:05:18The possibility of adding a third eleven to this painful rosary made many wonder
00:05:24If it really was mere coincidence, what led the killers to choose the dates of these atrocious crimes.
00:05:31Or is there something more?
00:05:34The motivation behind Al-Qaeda's actions is primarily religious.
00:05:38Their actions seek to bring pain and suffering to those they consider their enemies.
00:05:43But they are also imbued with macabre symbolism.
00:05:47It might be possible to find some kind of explanation in the Quran for this repetition of the number 11.
00:05:52In Koranic schools in Afghanistan and other Islamic countries,
00:05:58People dedicate years to studying, not nonsense.
00:06:02but, among many other things, something comparable to our geometry,
00:06:07that is, the symbolic meaning of numbers.
00:06:10For example, they add up the different characters that make up a word
00:06:17and they make the numerical meaning.
00:06:20And all the importance that has, I insist, from our rationalist mindset,
00:06:24That may seem stupid.
00:06:26But it has always been of tremendous importance to humanity
00:06:29and it also has one for Islamist initiates.
00:06:34Muslims, everyone knows what they expect,
00:06:36especially the earthquake to the madi, to the envoy, who is the 12th imam.
00:06:45Therefore, the well-guided one, whom they call the martyr, is always considered.
00:06:53He will be the one who brings justice and peace to the world.
00:06:57But before that there will be terrible moments.
00:07:01Let's say, the closing of that stage 11.
00:07:04The bloody events of March 11 in Madrid
00:07:07They took place exactly 911 days after September 11, 2001,
00:07:14a date that is known worldwide as 9/11.
00:07:18It did indeed take place exactly two and a half years after September 11th
00:07:24or 911 days later, that is, 9-11, on a date that when added to the date of the Madrid attack
00:07:34From March 11, 2004, the numbers also total 11.
00:07:38In this macabre equation, however, there is one unknown that doesn't seem to fit.
00:07:45On July 7, 2005, London experienced a series of terrorist attacks,
00:07:50which resulted in more than 50 deaths and 700 injuries.
00:07:54Apparently, there was no connection to the symbolism of 11.
00:07:58The fact that there are archetypal symbols, not just 11 and 7, in these Islamist attacks,
00:08:05but the fact, for example, of four attacks that are repeated in each circumstance,
00:08:10Four explosions, four planes, against three targets,
00:08:15Let's say, the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and the third target, where the plane crashed,
00:08:22In the case of Madrid, three stations with four explosions; the same in London.
00:08:27three stations and a bus, which makes four.
00:08:30It's also possible that it's all just a coincidence.
00:08:33Ultimately, there is no theory that can explain what meaning it has
00:08:37that on September 11, 2002, the winning number in the New York State Lottery
00:08:43Out with 9-11.
00:08:54One of the most disturbing elements of this grand conspiracy
00:08:57This book, The Great Deception, constitutes it.
00:09:00It became a best-seller throughout Europe and the United States,
00:09:03It was signed by a journalist, Thierry Mishan,
00:09:05And he made us all believe that something else crashed into the Pentagon,
00:09:09nothing more and nothing less than that it wasn't an airplane.
00:09:10Who can explain this better than anyone who talks about these matters?
00:09:13Welcome, our dear colleague Santiago Camacho.
00:09:16Good evening, Iker.
00:09:17What do you think? Has it been a long time?
00:09:19I've been here five years tonight, to be exact.
00:09:21And there are many people who still think that filming was a trick.
00:09:24that there was no flight that crashed into that iconic building.
00:09:28I have some photographs that might show us that perhaps,
00:09:32In all likelihood, it was an airplane, a Boeing 757.
00:09:36what crashed into the Pentagon.
00:09:39This is the engine breakdown of a Boeing 757.
00:09:43This is the catalog used for maintenance.
00:09:46All the pieces are there, and I would ask our viewers to take a look at this one.
00:09:52which is a kind of cylinder full of very characteristic little holes,
00:09:55with a kind of small washer around it, which I think is impossible to miss.
00:09:59It's a big piece, it's the centerpiece of a Boeing 757 reactor.
00:10:04This piece was found within the Pentagon rubble.
00:10:07And we're going to see it right now.
00:10:08In fact, the set of small holes with its washer is perfectly recognizable.
00:10:14It's obviously wrecked; it's suffered a tremendous impact.
00:10:18But there it is, there it is, and any maintenance technician for this type of aircraft
00:10:22can you tell us exactly what that piece is?
00:10:26But it's not the only one, it's not the only perfectly recognizable piece,
00:10:29Furthermore, there's no need to go inside the plane,
00:10:31But on the outside there is something much more obvious, which is the wheels.
00:10:34This is the landing gear of a 757.
00:10:38It is very distinctive; we see that it has a series of elliptical openings, with radii,
00:10:43and an outer ring that holds the rim, which is also very distinctive.
00:10:50So if we go back to the ruins of the Pentagon,
00:10:53We will come across one of these tires, which is the one we are going to see next.
00:10:58Here it is.
00:10:59Well, I think it's pretty clear that elliptical holes are exactly the same.
00:11:05There is the characteristic double ring around it,
00:11:09And this photo is completely contrasted and belongs to those Pentagon ruins.
00:11:15I believe there would be more, in fact there would be more evidence.
00:11:17But I think that with just this pair,
00:11:19I believe we are in a position to have demonstrated,
00:11:22I believe that beyond any doubt,
00:11:24that it was indeed an aircraft of those characteristics that crashed into the Pentagon.
00:11:29Case closed, Santiago Camacho, case closed I say because there was indeed a plane at the Pentagon.
00:11:34There are also numerological coincidences, at the very least significant ones.
00:11:38I have a note here; this has been circulating all over the internet.
00:11:41which is the great loudspeaker of conspiracies.
00:11:44New York City, 11 letters,
00:11:45Afghanistan, with an H in English, 11 letters,
00:11:48The Pentagon, the Pentagon, 11 letters,
00:11:50George W, 11 letters,
00:11:52New York is the 11th state,
00:11:54The first flight to crash is flight 11.
00:11:56There are 65 passengers,
00:11:586 plus 5, 11,
00:11:59September 11th is the day
00:12:02which make up the numbers 1, 1, 9,
00:12:049 plus 1 plus 1, 11,
00:12:07victims, 254,
00:12:082 plus 5 plus 4, 11,
00:12:10September 11th is the 2nd, 5th, and 4th day of the year.
00:12:132 plus 5 plus 4, 11,
00:12:15between 9/11 and 3/11,
00:12:169, 11,
00:12:18days difference.
00:12:19All of this has encouraged many people to make their own predictions,
00:12:22There are even official sources from the 11M investigation.
00:12:24who have spoken of Kabbalah,
00:12:27that it's not quite right to talk about Kabbalah,
00:12:28because it's another world,
00:12:29but yes to numerology.
00:12:31We have an Arabist with us,
00:12:33highly prestigious translator,
00:12:35dear friend Andrés Guijarro,
00:12:37welcome.
00:12:38Good night.
00:12:38Good night.
00:12:39I don't know how you view all this,
00:12:40For example,
00:12:40of the numbers.
00:12:41Let's talk about perhaps the most overwhelming element,
00:12:44It has to be said,
00:12:45Because among all these legends that make no sense,
00:12:47UFOs, strange images,
00:12:49There is one that does have it,
00:12:50And that is, I repeat,
00:12:52March 11,
00:12:53September 11,
00:12:579/11 in India,
00:12:58and on August 11th, it was aborted.
00:13:00Four times 11.
00:13:02Because?
00:13:03Your opinion?
00:13:05No, I couldn't find it.
00:13:07Number 11 specifically, right?
00:13:08No, not even 11 as a number,
00:13:10nor that event as an event.
00:13:15Not in traditional sources.
00:13:18Later, in the Arab Islamic world,
00:13:21There has been one, let's say,
00:13:23reinterpretation of its own eschatological tradition,
00:13:27with a series of, well,
00:13:28particular events,
00:13:29If you'd like, we can talk about them later.
00:13:31which do include this event
00:13:35inside, in short,
00:13:36another context,
00:13:39The element of conspiracy appears.
00:13:41Is conspiracy important to them?
00:13:43While for us it might be something worthy of a joke,
00:13:45superfluous, even frivolous,
00:13:47Is it important to them?
00:13:48Indeed.
00:13:49Let's see, in the Arab Islamic world,
00:13:52even,
00:13:54not only at a popular level,
00:13:56but in the media,
00:13:59that we could, in short, consider serious,
00:14:01at a political level,
00:14:03especially in, therefore,
00:14:05In short, the speeches,
00:14:06the leaders' speeches
00:14:08or the political representatives for show,
00:14:11Conspiracy is always present.
00:14:13In short, the conspiratorial element arrives.
00:14:17we can even say that
00:14:19For them, conspiracy is reality.
00:14:21what for us is a conspiracy,
00:14:22or what is taken here as a conspiracy,
00:14:25That's the reality.
00:14:27So, it must be said,
00:14:28arguments like those that appear in that book
00:14:29or those that appear in conspiracy forums
00:14:33and often, in short,
00:14:34a little delusional,
00:14:35that we can find here,
00:14:37because we can hear them from the mouth of,
00:14:40Well, what can we say?
00:14:42the Prime Minister of Yemen
00:14:44or journalists from, in short,
00:14:47major newspapers in Egypt, etc.
00:14:50Conspiracy as a reality,
00:14:51If you'll allow me, Andrés,
00:14:52so that the people from Cuarto Milenio
00:14:53a much more graphic image is created.
00:14:55what we're talking about,
00:14:56We can see what some called key 11.
00:14:59And with sufficient distance
00:15:01And without any political bias, of course.
00:15:03I have to say that this team,
00:15:04You know that very well, Santiago,
00:15:05has received information
00:15:07from people in official positions
00:15:08who were investigating various attacks
00:15:10and they were asking us for information about key 11.
00:15:12We were surprised,
00:15:13But they required that information.
00:15:15They considered her important.
00:15:17A kind of number
00:15:18that it wasn't random,
00:15:19It was not by chance.
00:15:19We're going to try to see inside.
00:15:22of that thing that is truly scary.
00:15:24Some have called it key or code 11.
00:15:30Even today,
00:15:32when it is about to be celebrated
00:15:33the fifth anniversary of the tragedy,
00:15:35the events that occurred on September 11, 2001
00:15:39They continue to shock us.
00:15:42However,
00:15:43the tremendous historical significance
00:15:45of what happened
00:15:46has not served to prevent
00:15:48that over the years
00:15:49have begun to circulate
00:15:51all kinds of hoaxes,
00:15:52stories
00:15:53and urban legends
00:15:54in this regard.
00:16:06Already in the weeks
00:16:07after the disaster
00:16:08it began to be said
00:16:10that 4,000 Jews
00:16:10employees in offices
00:16:12of the Twin Towers
00:16:13They stayed home
00:16:14the day of the attacks.
00:16:16The workers,
00:16:17according to the broadcasters
00:16:18of this malicious urban legend,
00:16:21they would have been warned
00:16:22for the services
00:16:23Israeli intelligence.
00:16:25Even prestigious newspapers
00:16:27They were victims
00:16:28of these manipulations.
00:16:29Many media outlets
00:16:31they played it back then
00:16:32a supposed quartet
00:16:33by Nostradamus
00:16:34which predicted what happened.
00:16:36In the City of God
00:16:37There will be a great clap of thunder.
00:16:39Two brothers destroyed
00:16:40because of the chaos.
00:16:41While the fortress holds,
00:16:43The great leader will fall.
00:16:45The Third Great War
00:16:47will begin
00:16:47when the big city
00:16:50arraba.
00:16:51However,
00:16:51its author was not
00:16:52the French seer,
00:16:54but a contemporary author
00:16:55named Neil Marshall
00:16:56that he intended to carry out
00:16:58a sociological experiment.
00:17:00Another hoax was
00:17:01that the images
00:17:02of Palestinians
00:17:02celebrating the attack
00:17:03offered by CNN
00:17:05were actually
00:17:06images that dated back
00:17:07to the first Gulf War.
00:17:09The myth persisted
00:17:10despite the fact that in the video
00:17:12could be heard
00:17:12like the Palestinian protesters
00:17:14They cheered for Osama Bin Laden,
00:17:16a name that would have been
00:17:18unknown to them
00:17:19in 1991.
00:17:21In the end,
00:17:22the Brazilian student
00:17:23that it had put into circulation
00:17:25the fake news
00:17:25he retracted,
00:17:27but the legend
00:17:28still survives
00:17:28in many forums.
00:17:32On the ground
00:17:33from the images
00:17:33also emerged
00:17:34other dubious stories
00:17:35regarding the tragedy.
00:17:37From the macabre joke
00:17:39of a suspected tourist
00:17:40who took his last snapshot
00:17:41when one of the planes
00:17:42It was coming towards him,
00:17:43even the devilish faces
00:17:45that many claim
00:17:46to have photographed
00:17:47in the smoke of the fire,
00:17:49even going so far as
00:17:50because of the appearance
00:17:50of UFOs
00:17:51above the sky
00:17:52from New York
00:17:52at the moment
00:17:53of the tragedy.
00:17:55Halfway
00:17:56among the urban legend
00:17:58and the theories
00:17:58conspiracy
00:17:59There are those who claim
00:18:00which is not possible
00:18:01than an airplane
00:18:02crashed
00:18:03against the Pentagon.
00:18:05A topic
00:18:05that even today
00:18:07It remains an object
00:18:08of heated controversy.
00:18:21And amidst so much
00:18:22numerical amalgamation
00:18:23so many keys
00:18:24so many codes
00:18:25so much information
00:18:26wrong or right
00:18:27Sometimes fate
00:18:28it shows
00:18:28especially macabre.
00:18:30Do you have the document there?
00:18:31Santiago?
00:18:31Show the camera.
00:18:32Well yes,
00:18:33September 11,
00:18:342002
00:18:34winning number
00:18:37911.
00:18:38One year later?
00:18:39Exactly one year later
00:18:40It is one of the lotteries
00:18:42New York state.
00:18:44It's a system
00:18:44a little strange
00:18:45because there is a number
00:18:45in the morning
00:18:46and another one in the afternoon
00:18:47and they have to match
00:18:48both.
00:18:49This is a photograph
00:18:50of that winning ticket
00:18:52And here there really aren't any more.
00:18:54symbolism
00:18:54nor terrorist strategies
00:18:56that are worth it.
00:18:56Here, simply
00:18:57Well, it's the signature
00:18:59Let's call it chance,
00:19:00chance,
00:19:01destiny,
00:19:02But one more fact,
00:19:03one more piece of information
00:19:03for that curious
00:19:04and enigmatic statistics
00:19:06of 9, 11
00:19:07and well,
00:19:09This is what it is.
00:19:10Don't leave yet,
00:19:11Andrew,
00:19:11And neither are you,
00:19:11Santiago.
00:19:12On your line
00:19:13Are you going to tell us something?
00:19:14what does that have to do with it
00:19:14with what you see here,
00:19:15a 20 dollar bill
00:19:17seemingly innocent.
00:19:18How far does it go?
00:19:19human imagination?
00:19:20Poor 20 dollar bill.
00:19:21Human imagination
00:19:22It has no limit,
00:19:23conspiracy theories
00:19:24neither
00:19:25And we're going to talk about a
00:19:26that really
00:19:27nobody,
00:19:28nobody,
00:19:28no one can imagine.
00:19:30Well,
00:19:30Well, stay here with us.
00:19:31Fourth Millennium,
00:19:32We'll be back in a few minutes.
00:19:33By the way,
00:19:34We're going to talk too
00:19:34of a harrowing subject,
00:19:36criminological.
00:19:37Come here,
00:19:38Satan,
00:19:38that I am your brother,
00:19:39the last thing I am
00:19:40in a dark alley,
00:19:42near a place
00:19:43also full of clues,
00:19:44Jaén Cathedral.
00:19:45We're going to investigate
00:19:46fourth millennium.
00:19:55The Cathedral of Jaén.
00:19:55The Cathedral of Jaén.
00:20:13We're going to investigate
00:20:14Jaén Cathedral.
00:20:30We are practically back to 9/11, 5 years later.
00:20:34There is information that is presented in a rigorous series, but there is other information that affects human beings.
00:20:38that moves through the internet, that influences many people, and that we want to examine in a rigorous light.
00:20:44This is true, this is not a legend, this happens, and what's also unsettling is knowing how many people are thinking
00:20:50in cabals and numerology to create what you are about to see.
00:20:53Santiago, the 20 dollar bill is all yours.
00:20:55How do you imagine Ocean Humanas reaching this point?
00:20:58Well, I don't know, but what's truly incredible is that on the internet, just a few days after the tragedy,
00:21:05A series of images began to appear explaining a process for making a series of folds in the banknote.
00:21:12And in the end we see that what appears is an image of what could be the facade of the Pentagon.
00:21:20with that characteristic cloud of smoke after the attack.
00:21:23By the way, Santiago, and I think it's the next day, the next day this is spreading on the internet
00:21:30And the first scene is like that, the Pentagon with its smoke, but the innocent internet user said that the folds
00:21:36They were for making an airplane.
00:21:37Yes, yes, of course.
00:21:38No, but there's more.
00:21:39An airplane, nothing else.
00:21:40Because then, using the same ticket, another series of maneuvers begins.
00:21:44And that's what we're seeing right now, which is the Twin Towers.
00:21:49Or rather, what they say is a representation of the twin towers in flames.
00:21:54What is absolutely unusual is that there are a lot of people on the internet who see this
00:22:01the sign of a conspiracy by the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Jews,
00:22:08from several until you choose your favorite culprit,
00:22:11and that they had the audacity to design the dollar bill
00:22:17decades before the construction of the Twin Towers
00:22:20having anticipated his macabre plans for the 21st century.
00:22:24The big question is how someone, the day after an attack, who has to be a man,
00:22:27Well, like everyone else, dismayed, he dedicates himself to doing these things.
00:22:30That's how things are going for us, some might say.
00:22:32Incidentally, the United States is a key element, always guilty,
00:22:37in this paranormal, strange and menological literature,
00:22:39and sometimes with the most aberrant theories, but they are believed there.
00:22:43I would highlight a book published in '93, the author is Bashir Muhammad Abdullah,
00:22:50in which he makes a comparison between North American civilization
00:22:54and a vanished civilization mentioned in the Quran.
00:22:58The Quran mentions several ancient civilizations that disappeared.
00:23:03product of divine punishment, for example, Ad, Zamud, etc.
00:23:08So, what this author does is reinterpret those civilizations in the sense that
00:23:15The new AD would be the United States,
00:23:18The Quran states that the capital of this civilization,
00:23:23The civilization of Ad, would be a city that appears, incidentally,
00:23:27on those same nights too, which is Iran of the Columns,
00:23:30Iran Datil Aymad, Iran of the pillars, of the columns.
00:23:34So, this author, his thesis, in short, wrapped in conspiratorial arguments and such,
00:23:42Because of this nature that we have mentioned before, the new AD would be the United States,
00:23:49The new Iran, Datil Aymad, the Iran of columns or pillars, would be New York.
00:23:55and as such, it would be condemned to destruction.
00:23:57You've experienced it from the inside, you've been there studying these kinds of manuscripts,
00:24:01And of course, what's a little scary is that so many people think these kinds of things.
00:24:05Finally, Andrés, is there anything to fear? Would you fear the number itself, 11?
00:24:09Because one might think that, well, four repetitions is a lot,
00:24:13Or should we reassure them that I believe...
00:24:14Anyway, I don't attach too much importance to the number, as I told you before.
00:24:18So, well, if events of this nature, in short, related to this conflict,
00:24:24They can happen again, if that's your question, well, I don't know.
00:24:27But of course the conflict exists.
00:24:29Whether or not they have anything to do with a new number 11, or whether it will reappear,
00:24:33Well, I haven't the slightest idea, in any case, I've already told you that I don't pay much attention to it.
00:24:40It is true that, well, there are a number of coincidences.
00:24:42In short, the number 11 is repeated, it appears many times, or at least some times from my point of view.
00:24:47Perhaps in a somewhat forced way, but oh well, that's one thing,
00:24:53And on the other hand, the event itself, with all the terrible and catastrophic aspects that it encompasses
00:25:00that conflict.
00:25:01I can't tell you, Andrés, whether we feel more at ease or more uneasy.
00:25:03Thank you so much for your visit.
00:25:05Santiago, we will continue investigating, because what is clear is that tonight,
00:25:08Millions of people are simultaneously accessing information like this,
00:25:12That it can no longer be erased, that it remains there. That's incredible.
00:25:15Incredible and also a source of much knowledge and sometimes also of much confusion.
00:25:20Now let's go to Jaén, to another place where, not now, but centuries before, there were also codes,
00:25:24There were secret societies, a wonderful place above all, an incredible place,
00:25:28full of people looking for the cloak, looking for strange symbols,
00:25:32And some people link all this to the Da Vinci Code.
00:25:34Let's get to know him. But first, let's look at what's been making headlines, the latest news from the fourth millennium.
00:25:46And the first news item of this new season of the fourth millennium has to do with an expedition,
00:25:51a very special expedition, Carmen.
00:25:52A team of scientists has traveled to Huelva, specifically to the Malisma de Hinojos.
00:25:58in the Doñana National Park, because they believe that Atlantis can be found there.
00:26:03Experts have followed the hypothesis of the German scientist Reine Kuhners,
00:26:07which placed the mythical lost city in this area of Huelva.
00:26:10Kuhners based his theory on the texts of Plato, who raised the possibility that it was a section of southwestern Spain,
00:26:16submerged around 500 BC by a great flood.
00:26:21This investigation aims to determine if there are any traces of a past human settlement.
00:26:26or whether it is a purely geomorphological phenomenon.
00:26:29Two years ago, Iker, German scientists traveled to Doñana,
00:26:34precisely after seeing some photographs taken by a satellite,
00:26:38where it was presumed that the mythical city could be located.
00:26:41No more, no less. This tomb is almost from the time of Atlantis.
00:26:45It is a funerary carving belonging to a wealthy family from Segobriga,
00:26:50which also measures two meters in height.
00:26:52The discovery of this stele, which dates from the 1st century AD,
00:26:55It took place in the Archaeological Park of Cuenca and has provided numerous details
00:26:59about what life was like in Roman Spain.
00:27:02The piece is well preserved and features a depiction of a girl who died at the age of 10.
00:27:07called Yocunda.
00:27:09The little girl is sitting down, dressed in a toga and, as we can see, playing a lyre.
00:27:13The stele also contains a 16-line text,
00:27:16engraved in limestone, revealing that the young woman belonged
00:27:19to one of the richest families in the ancient city of Roman Hispania.
00:27:24Yocunda, what did that girl see? What kind of world did she have to behold with her eyes?
00:27:29It's a complete mystery.
00:27:30As has been a mystery for a long time, this manuscript.
00:27:33Scientists at Stanford University have managed to decipher some texts
00:27:38that had been hidden for many centuries in a parchment.
00:27:41Thanks to a non-destructive technique, known as X-ray fluorescence,
00:27:45The researchers discovered that beneath drawings on a parchment made from goatskin
00:27:50There were some texts that are considered the basis of modern mathematics.
00:27:55Among the writings is the only known Greek version of the treatise
00:27:58on floating bodies and the theory of mechanical bodies.
00:28:02Apparently, the original texts were transcribed onto parchment.
00:28:05by an anonymous scribe in the 10th century.
00:28:08Three centuries later, a monk from Jerusalem named Joanes Mironas
00:28:12He recycled the manuscript and scraped the parchment to erase the original text and reuse the skin.
00:28:18He intended to make a book with this material, so he cut the pages in half.
00:28:21and filled them with Greek Orthodox prayers.
00:28:24And in the 20th century, religious images made with gold paint were added.
00:28:28which highlighted the value of that volume.
00:28:32Today it is considered the eighth wonder of the world
00:28:35by those scientists who have managed to decipher ancient knowledge.
00:28:38But please pay attention to this image.
00:28:40It's the beginning of The Da Vinci Code, the movie that has taken the world by storm.
00:28:45A dead man, Jacques Saunier, a conservative who appears in this position
00:28:49in the middle of the Louvre's Grand Gallery.
00:28:51Now, please look at this other one.
00:28:53This is reality.
00:28:54It happened in Jaén some time ago and some say there are certain connections.
00:28:57because of the place where this body was found.
00:29:00It's a crime, it's a mystery, it's something worthy of a novel.
00:29:02Our colleague Pablo Villarrubia tells us about it.
00:29:07Jaén, early morning of July 11.
00:29:10A couple alerted the police in Jena to the existence of a corpse in Santa María Square.
00:29:16right in front of the cathedral.
00:29:18The scene is nightmarish, worthy of the beginning of a horror movie.
00:29:24The body of a man lies lifeless, face down, naked,
00:29:29with half his body covered in blood and practically buried by feathers and bird droppings.
00:29:37Nobody saw anything, nobody knows anything.
00:29:41Only the old gargoyles of the temple are silent witnesses to a death that occurred
00:29:46in such strange circumstances.
00:29:55Shortly before the discovery, a neighbor heard voices saying
00:29:59"Come here, Satan, I am your brother."
00:30:05Who was that man?
00:30:07The victim, Francisco de la Higuera Muñoz,
00:30:10He was a peaceful citizen with no criminal record, about to turn 60.
00:30:15He was murdered.
00:30:17Why in such a strange way?
00:30:19Who attacked him like that in the middle of the street?
00:30:23Some authoritative voices noticed a disturbing detail.
00:30:27The cathedral of Jaén, in whose shadow the body had been found,
00:30:32It is a temple known to lovers of the occult.
00:30:36Some have studied and written about their internal relationships
00:30:39with the real people who inspired The Da Vinci Code.
00:30:42Would that be a hypothesis?
00:30:44To clarify a possible ritual crime.
00:30:49Francisco Muñoz was last seen alive by a police officer
00:30:52At 1:10 a.m., apparently intoxicated, on Campana Street.
00:30:58At 3:25 a.m., a couple alerted the police to the body of a naked man.
00:31:04But before that, terrifying screams had been heard.
00:31:07And almost at the same time, an individual in his 30s, wearing a white plaid shirt,
00:31:14He ran off, disappearing into the streets of the old town.
00:31:17The city hall's surveillance cameras, located in front of the cathedral,
00:31:23They captured the individual, who has not yet been identified.
00:31:28As if it were a ghost of flesh and blood.
00:31:31When they found the body, the police found all his clothes around him.
00:31:39She found him completely naked.
00:31:40Even his personal belongings, such as his watch and keys, were found next to the body.
00:31:46A fact that goes unnoticed if one believes that this person undressed on their own.
00:31:52But I, as I have been able to corroborate with witnesses and friends who know him,
00:31:58Paco was a person who didn't get naked.
00:32:01It was not a person, as the police pointed out from the beginning,
00:32:05that she was prone to undressing in public.
00:32:08She had never undressed in public before.
00:32:10The Jaén police, consulted by Cuarto Milenio,
00:32:13He defends the accident hypothesis to explain Francisco's death.
00:32:17A regrettable fall on the access stairs
00:32:20from Valparaíso Street and the cathedral square,
00:32:23with a fatal blow to the head.
00:32:26But the explanation seems weak,
00:32:28compared to the other elements that make up this strange case.
00:32:32Since this person is defenseless,
00:32:37who physically assault her until death,
00:32:40not only that, but it also undresses her,
00:32:43They offend her, even to the point of letting her die.
00:32:46If so, the corpse appears practically with a drag mark.
00:32:52from a meter and a half where it can be produced
00:32:54what is the first impact,
00:32:56until they find him dead,
00:32:59and the fact that the animal's shafts and excrement,
00:33:02as well as the feathers,
00:33:04are located beneath their face
00:33:06and on her body,
00:33:07and the bag placed on her back,
00:33:09It suggests that this person has suffered at least one crime.
00:33:13Many have considered the possibility of a ritual crime,
00:33:18although fear seals mouths.
00:33:20Few journalists dare to break the silence,
00:33:23that seems to float throughout the city.
00:33:26And the fact that this person died violently,
00:33:30and has not yet been discovered,
00:33:32not even the author or authors who were present at the time of his death,
00:33:38because it makes one think that he might be behind it.
00:33:41some role-playing image,
00:33:47any game that some people have been able to make,
00:33:49or based on some earlier manuscripts,
00:33:52any book they have read.
00:33:54For many it is a chosen place, a professed one,
00:33:56a specific environment that indicates something that very few can understand,
00:34:01perhaps a hidden message.
00:34:03The cathedral is not just any place.
00:34:06Its mysterious history involves, according to some scholars,
00:34:08to characters like the strange French priest Berenguer Sunier,
00:34:13person who appears cited as character and driving force
00:34:16from the plot of the novel The Da Vinci Code.
00:34:19The cellar could be the mysterious cave
00:34:21that extends below the cathedral.
00:34:24Although unlikely,
00:34:26There may be a connection between the death of Francisco Muñoz,
00:34:29with rituals dating back more than 500 years
00:34:32and that, unfortunately,
00:34:34They could have been resumed.
00:34:36There are ritual sacrifices that afterwards,
00:34:38in Christian times,
00:34:40they are supposed to be suppressed,
00:34:41But still, in the Middle Ages,
00:34:43There are traces of ritual sacrifices
00:34:45related to the Jaén cathedral.
00:34:47The most pompous, let's say,
00:34:49the most eye-catching,
00:34:50the one of the Constable of Castile,
00:34:53who was sacrificed through,
00:34:55The ancient sacrifice was by means of a blow to the head,
00:34:57or a blow to the head, opening the head.
00:35:00And he was sacrificed during High Mass,
00:35:03who was attending mass,
00:35:04And a crossbowman came in and hit him on the head with a machete.
00:35:07and opened it.
00:35:09Simple coincidences or chance occurrences?
00:35:11In the second part of this report
00:35:14We'll look at other possible connections.
00:35:16about the strange death of Francisco Muñoz,
00:35:18with symbolic elements
00:35:20that date back thousands of years.
00:35:23This is the strange chronicle
00:35:25of a death in the middle of the night.
00:35:28In a very special place.
00:35:34Come here, Satan, I am your brother.
00:35:36That is the latest voice, according to official investigations.
00:35:39which can be heard very close to the Jaén cathedral.
00:35:41Several neighbors, I imagine frightened,
00:35:42It's the last thing they hear.
00:35:44Perhaps the victim, perhaps the aggressor, perhaps a ritual.
00:35:48You'll see how this issue gradually becomes more complicated.
00:35:50and it seems worthy of a novel.
00:35:51It just happened.
00:35:52And Pablo Villarrubio, our dear colleague,
00:35:54He's researched it and I know you're very impressed.
00:35:56Yes, because it was one of the most intense reports
00:36:00that we made for Cuarto Milenio,
00:36:01mainly due to the recent death of a person
00:36:03which has no explanation to this day.
00:36:06Even the police themselves, despite considering the possibility of an accident,
00:36:11He has many doubts regarding this case.
00:36:13and that is also surrounded by circumstances,
00:36:16the same cathedral, a very busy place
00:36:19or relatively busy at night
00:36:21and that a crime has occurred there.
00:36:23Well, all of that really raises a lot of questions for us.
00:36:27Well, an important moment has arrived for Cuarto Milenio.
00:36:28For another season we have the forensic expert Mr. José Cabrera with us,
00:36:32forensic psychiatrist and also a good friend
00:36:34and that has taught us so many things throughout the first almost 40 programs
00:36:37from Cuarto Milenio.
00:36:38Don José, welcome.
00:36:39I'm going to blush.
00:36:40No, no, but it's true, it's accurate and real.
00:36:43And we also want to count on you,
00:36:45We'll be doing that over the next few weeks.
00:36:47to explain how forensic investigation is sometimes very simple,
00:36:51very analytical, and the first thing a forensic scientist does, I imagine, is
00:36:53Hey, this is weird, is it normal? What do you think?
00:36:56Death is always the same, but it's not always very similar.
00:37:00In this case, there are many elements that are not clear to a doctor.
00:37:04I would have liked to read the autopsy report.
00:37:06which unfortunately we do not have because it is under seal.
00:37:10But we certainly have many elements that leave us with doubts.
00:37:15And I'm here today to unravel them.
00:37:18Shadow of doubt, says Don José Cabrera,
00:37:20And this story takes place in the shadow of the cathedral.
00:37:23Who was missing from this puzzle?
00:37:24So that in a few minutes we can delve into the arenas of debate
00:37:27trying to get to the bottom of all this.
00:37:29Well, we were missing a journalist, a good friend too,
00:37:32Lorenzo Fernández, editor of Enigmas magazine,
00:37:34He published a book back then that now, of course, has a different meaning.
00:37:38The Secret Keepers.
00:37:40He's going to tell us.
00:37:42Lorenzo, welcome.
00:37:42Well inherited, Iker.
00:37:43Do you think there's a connection, very briefly, please, Lorenzo?
00:37:46among elements of the da Vinci code, no more and no less,
00:37:49and a crime that occurred in Jaén?
00:37:50Absolutely.
00:37:51I believe there are grounds for judgment, at least.
00:37:53to suspect that the person who performed the act,
00:37:55has carried out this murder,
00:37:57At least I had some information related to that part of the story.
00:38:01So with these friends, these elements, and this research,
00:38:04We're going to try to get to the bottom of this.
00:38:06The background of a very curious story.
00:38:08Remember, it all started like this.
00:38:10Come here, Satan, I am your brother.
00:38:12We'll be back in a few minutes, here on Cuarto Milenio.
00:38:41The corpse of Francisco Muñoz
00:38:43It appeared a few weeks ago in the shadow of Jaén Cathedral,
00:38:47covered in blood, with a precise blow,
00:38:49and also surrounded by bird droppings and bird feathers.
00:38:53Was there some kind of meaning in all of this?
00:38:55Was it a ritual?
00:38:56It's strange because the place where all this is happening is not normal,
00:38:59at least for those knowledgeable in enigmas and esotericism.
00:39:02I want you to know the inner workings of the place where all the mysteries are kept.
00:39:06I want you to know the other side of Jaén Cathedral.
00:39:12To understand the secret history of Jaén Cathedral,
00:39:15It is necessary to know who reformed it,
00:39:17embedding it with symbolic elements that only a few initiates could decipher.
00:39:22A true occult bishop,
00:39:24Don Alonso Suárez de la Fuente del Sauce,
00:39:27who lived during the time of the Catholic Monarchs.
00:39:30But what was the origin of insider information?
00:39:33What did the obscure bishop obtain?
00:39:37The information possibly came to Bishop Suárez
00:39:41from the time when he was Grand Inquisitor.
00:39:42During the time when he was Grand Inquisitor,
00:39:44He had to judge many heretics
00:39:45and many books of heresies or mysteries passed through his hands,
00:39:50which could be considered heretical.
00:39:52So, simply he, as a researcher,
00:39:54more than as an inquisitor,
00:39:55He became interested in that, and that's why, in the end,
00:39:58He put his life on hold to go to Jaén
00:40:00to do all those investigations on site.
00:40:03Bishop Suárez wanted to be buried in the dolmen.
00:40:08In other words, the dolmen corresponded to,
00:40:09In the new cathedral, the dolmen corresponded to the main chapel.
00:40:12The main chapel where the relic of the holy face is kept.
00:40:16So, he left in his will
00:40:19that they should bury him there,
00:40:20because he had built that part of the cathedral.
00:40:22But in some later works that were done,
00:40:25They temporarily removed the body
00:40:27And they placed him there, who was a mummy,
00:40:29and they put it in a side drawer.
00:40:31When the work on the chapel was finished,
00:40:34the cathedral chapter,
00:40:35which was already very different from that of Suárez's time,
00:40:38perhaps also wanting to break with that esoteric tradition
00:40:42that the bishop had imposed there,
00:40:45the council decreed that it should not be buried
00:40:48where he had wanted to be buried,
00:40:50on the floor of that chapel.
00:40:51The dispute between the descendants of Bishop Suárez
00:40:54and the diocese of Jaén lasted almost four centuries.
00:40:58The so-called bishop in burial was reburied
00:41:01only in the year 2002.
00:41:03I made my family sneak in to be in the front row
00:41:06and be able to take photographs.
00:41:09It was an impressive ceremony,
00:41:11It was a historic event and we had to be there.
00:41:16The scepter was carried on the shoulders of the members of the Brotherhood of the Good Death,
00:41:20all in uniform,
00:41:21with an impressive background music.
00:41:25They took him to the chapel of Liticio,
00:41:28where it had been in the dresser,
00:41:30and that the dispute was resolved
00:41:32placing half a tomb inside the main chapel
00:41:36and half out.
00:41:36Before being buried,
00:41:38The doctor Diego Justicia was granted
00:41:41just half an hour
00:41:42to study the mummified body of the bishop
00:41:45who had suffered from a strange illness,
00:41:48enigmatic,
00:41:49just like what happened to him back then
00:41:51to the musician Sergei Rachmaninoff
00:41:52and to President Abraham Lincoln.
00:41:55I already,
00:41:57by the hands,
00:41:57I had suspected that this man might have,
00:41:59because he had one hand
00:42:00which we call the aristocratic hand,
00:42:03or medical hand,
00:42:04It's called arasnodactyly,
00:42:07because its hand is shaped like a spider,
00:42:10It has something like the lamb of a spider,
00:42:11So the sheep was very long,
00:42:13then he suspected me,
00:42:14I suspected
00:42:15that this man could have a syndrome
00:42:17which we call Marfan syndrome.
00:42:20But other mysteries
00:42:22They surrounded the mummy of Bishop Suárez.
00:42:25The ancient book with which he had been buried,
00:42:27That disappeared in the 19th century.
00:42:30just as the ornaments disappeared,
00:42:32They changed them too,
00:42:33because the ornaments it had were also very symbolic.
00:42:37Already in the 19th century,
00:42:38Other religious people continued searching for Solomon's table
00:42:41and the hermetic knowledge of the mother goddesses,
00:42:44Following the example of Bishop Manuel Muñoz Gárnica.
00:42:47It is said that he was visited by the French priest
00:42:50François Berenguer Sonnier,
00:42:52of the parish of Rennes-le-Chateau,
00:42:54the same one that drives a good part of the script
00:42:56from Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code.
00:42:58According to the writer and journalist Lorenzo Fernández Bueno,
00:43:01There is a possible reference to Berenguer Sonnier
00:43:04on the armrest of one of the choir stalls in the cathedral.
00:43:08His initials, B and S.
00:43:11There are also several parallels between Bishop Muñoz Gárnica and Sonnier.
00:43:16Both were searching for a sacred relic
00:43:18and they possessed hermetic knowledge predating Christianity.
00:43:23The death of Francisco Muñoz from this point
00:43:26It has many more parallels with the past
00:43:29beyond what one might imagine.
00:43:31The character from The Da Vinci Code,
00:43:33who appears dead in the Louvre Museum in Paris,
00:43:36It's not by chance that it's called Sonnier
00:43:38and is linked to the mystery of Rennes-le-Chateau.
00:43:42At the beginning of the highest-grossing film of the last year,
00:43:45The Da Vinci Code appears dead,
00:43:49naked, in a very special position.
00:43:51Some claim that all this perhaps
00:43:53have a connection with a group of people
00:43:56who are familiar with the work of Dan Brown
00:43:58and by other authors
00:43:59that delved into the Church's connections with paganism.
00:44:04This is a mystery.
00:44:05I hope it doesn't exist.
00:44:07I hope so, although it would be from a literary point of view, let's say,
00:44:10That would be great, but I hope it doesn't exist in the 21st century.
00:44:14no survival of any secret society
00:44:17that he has revived the tradition of the sacred king
00:44:24and that he is capable of sacrificing a person
00:44:27because of those pre-Christian myths.
00:44:29We have seen how silence makes the investigation very difficult.
00:44:34Many colleagues prefer to remain silent,
00:44:36although quite a few have drawn similarities
00:44:39with the first scene of The Da Vinci Code,
00:44:42Father Sonnier,
00:44:43And it happened one summer night
00:44:45in the shadow of a beautiful cathedral,
00:44:48mysterious and special.
00:44:50For now,
00:44:51perhaps only one person in the middle of this plot,
00:44:54the strange passerby who was fleeing
00:44:56being caught on security camera,
00:44:59know the whole truth.
00:45:01A truth
00:45:01which may never be published.
00:45:18Don José Cabrera,
00:45:19the police say,
00:45:21officially,
00:45:22and the media consulted by Pablo Villarrubia,
00:45:25who was a person,
00:45:26Well, she was drunk,
00:45:27which is located at that exact point in the Jaén cathedral,
00:45:30who undresses,
00:45:31and that someone passing by,
00:45:33like a ghost of flesh and blood,
00:45:35It leaves excrement and feathers.
00:45:38What we have here, certainly,
00:45:39It's a corpse.
00:45:40naked,
00:45:41of a man who indeed
00:45:42has a history of alcoholism,
00:45:45with several bruises,
00:45:46which are very typical of people
00:45:47who have liver problems,
00:45:48with a blow to the head,
00:45:50that could have been done
00:45:51when tripping and bumping into things,
00:45:53because many people die in the bathtub,
00:45:54when slipping, etc.
00:45:55or that someone could have given it to him.
00:45:57The only thing that doesn't add up for the forensic expert,
00:45:59In this case, to me,
00:46:00It's about the feathers
00:46:01and the issue of pigeon droppings.
00:46:03I mean,
00:46:04because the pigeons,
00:46:05We all know that there are many in Jaén,
00:46:06at a certain point,
00:46:08They go where there is meat,
00:46:10and it could have been thought
00:46:11than the pigeons,
00:46:12They see a body there,
00:46:13It's not that they see the body,
00:46:14come meat,
00:46:15They put themselves there,
00:46:16And there are many pigeons in Jaén,
00:46:18and then they shed feathers,
00:46:20They relieve themselves,
00:46:21that is to say,
00:46:22without human intervention.
00:46:23That's what doesn't add up in the explanation.
00:46:26that is to say,
00:46:26Indeed, pigeons can go and peck at a body.
00:46:28Because they do,
00:46:29They can do it,
00:46:30They are not vultures,
00:46:31But they do it because it's food.
00:46:32And another issue is that indeed
00:46:34It's a large amount.
00:46:35That's the only thing that stands out.
00:46:36from the perspective of a doctor like myself.
00:46:38We'll see later.
00:46:39José Cabrera,
00:46:40If it sounds like a ritual to you,
00:46:42if you've seen anything
00:46:43similar in your years of research.
00:46:45Lorenzo Fernández has many surprises in store.
00:46:46tonight is for us.
00:46:47Lorenzo has been here for many years,
00:46:48He is from Jaén,
00:46:49accustomed to wandering through the cathedral,
00:46:50to examine,
00:46:51He has written several books,
00:46:52Rex Mundi or the Guarani of the Secret,
00:46:54about that occult bishop,
00:46:56about that missing book,
00:46:57about that society of those who sought the cellar.
00:46:59And now watching the report
00:47:00It's left us a little frozen,
00:47:01It has to be said,
00:47:02because none of us
00:47:04I was looking for an explanation.
00:47:05or I found it around those feathers.
00:47:07And I think you have something.
00:47:09A relationship can be established
00:47:11with one of the great secret societies
00:47:12that there has been
00:47:13and who have of course performed in Jaén
00:47:14based on all the magic,
00:47:16esotericism,
00:47:17sacred objects
00:47:17that there supposedly
00:47:18They have been preserved for centuries.
00:47:20And in this case,
00:47:21one of the most important
00:47:22It is the one known as the sparrow.
00:47:24The sparrow.
00:47:25The sparrow crow was a group of initiates
00:47:27who spoke the language of birds.
00:47:29It must be said that the language of birds,
00:47:30the first initiate
00:47:31who spoke this language
00:47:32It was precisely Solomon,
00:47:33that is represented
00:47:34right in front
00:47:35where this body was found.
00:47:36Where did this man kill himself?
00:47:37Exactly.
00:47:38The statue is in place
00:47:39both of Solomon
00:47:39like King David.
00:47:41It powerfully attracts attention
00:47:42the fact of the feathers.
00:47:44That is to say,
00:47:44if it is made to allude
00:47:45specifically to this sparrow
00:47:46We must start from the idea
00:47:47that this hierarchy
00:47:49of this secret group
00:47:50always left
00:47:51of the large birds,
00:47:52of birds of prey.
00:47:52That is to say,
00:47:53The eagle was always first.
00:47:54From there
00:47:55you are descending to the bu
00:47:56until you ended up in the sparrow
00:47:57that we say
00:47:57It was the lowest scale.
00:47:59And these people also
00:47:59I'm telling you
00:48:00who only spoke
00:48:01the language of birds
00:48:02and even
00:48:03in the 19th century
00:48:03they arise
00:48:05at the end of the 15th century
00:48:06early 16th century
00:48:07and they spoke Castilian Spanish
00:48:08precisely from the 15th century.
00:48:09It was a very closed group.
00:48:10that guarded
00:48:10all these secrets
00:48:12and so off the top of my head
00:48:12The idea comes to me.
00:48:14to say
00:48:14Well, it's curious.
00:48:15these feathers
00:48:17when also
00:48:17practically
00:48:18in a straight line
00:48:19is found
00:48:19that place
00:48:20where since the end
00:48:22of the 19th century
00:48:22they meet
00:48:23the members
00:48:24of secret societies
00:48:25that have happened
00:48:26through this cathedral
00:48:27and it is precisely
00:48:27the Casa Gorrión tavern.
00:48:30One thing, Lorenzo.
00:48:31Look closely
00:48:32these initials
00:48:33B.S.
00:48:34According to the investigations
00:48:35Lorenzo's
00:48:35could be
00:48:36the sample
00:48:36of a visit
00:48:37of the enigmatic
00:48:37Berenguer Sonier
00:48:38I repeat
00:48:39the strange priest
00:48:40who became rich
00:48:41almost consecrating
00:48:43with diabolical figures
00:48:44a small church
00:48:45in France
00:48:46and where Dan Brown comes from
00:48:47It is inspired
00:48:48and puts Sonier
00:48:49to the first character
00:48:50and main
00:48:50from the da Vinci code
00:48:51And that's nothing.
00:48:52Did Sonier visit Jaén?
00:48:53Yes, he visited Jaén
00:48:54of course
00:48:54That cathedral?
00:48:55He was in the cathedral
00:48:56he was in the tavern
00:48:57Sparrow House
00:48:58but not only in Jaén
00:48:59He was in Puerto
00:48:59He was no longer in Madrid
00:49:00in Barcelona
00:49:01He was in Toledo
00:49:02specifically
00:49:03the population of Ajofrín
00:49:03that is to say
00:49:04He is a man
00:49:05which followed
00:49:05the key locations
00:49:06in which he
00:49:07one way or another
00:49:08I sensed that he was
00:49:09the Solomon's track
00:49:10Berenguer Sonier
00:49:11is following this lead
00:49:12and meets
00:49:13with the members
00:49:13of the main ones
00:49:14secret societies
00:49:15It is attested
00:49:15There are letters in Ajofrín
00:49:16For example
00:49:17He got them
00:49:17the researcher
00:49:18Mercedes Izquierdo
00:49:20where the very
00:49:21Abbe
00:49:22reflect and reflect
00:49:23that he has come
00:49:24to these places in Spain
00:49:25also to Martos
00:49:26looking for that clue
00:49:27and finds something
00:49:28And why Berenguer Sonier
00:49:29BS left
00:49:30at one point
00:49:30What is the specific type of this cathedral?
00:49:31It's a curious detail.
00:49:32because that's where it leads us
00:49:33to that society
00:49:34to those who sought
00:49:35the cellar
00:49:35Juan Eslava Galán speaks
00:49:37and that refers
00:49:38to a group
00:49:38which possibly
00:49:39had a Masonic court
00:49:40We're talking
00:49:41of the beginning
00:49:42of the 16th century
00:49:42and in the Guerrero chorus
00:49:44the gothic choir
00:49:44that still remains
00:49:45inside the cathedral
00:49:46there are aspects
00:49:47that powerfully call
00:49:47attention
00:49:48For example
00:49:48the floor is a checkered pattern
00:49:49like that of the Masonic lodge
00:49:50any Masonic lodge
00:49:51the floor is checkered
00:49:53But that's not all.
00:49:53to enter
00:49:54You have to go through
00:49:55a door
00:49:55that is
00:49:56left and right
00:49:57that is ornate
00:49:58with a skeleton
00:49:59or a skull
00:50:00just above
00:50:00This is the step
00:50:01to the reflection chamber
00:50:02of the Freemasons
00:50:03where one begins
00:50:04and obviously
00:50:05Leave the B and the S
00:50:06reflected
00:50:07in one of the ashlars
00:50:08from the choir itself
00:50:09It's curious.
00:50:10BS is also reflected
00:50:12precisely
00:50:12at the entrance
00:50:13of the temple
00:50:13of Mary Magdalene
00:50:15in Rennes-le-Chateau
00:50:16just below the pillar
00:50:17Can we see the image now?
00:50:18of the botanical pillar
00:50:19It's a kind of signature
00:50:21B and S
00:50:22Furthermore, it is repeated
00:50:22almost constantly
00:50:23in the documentation
00:50:24that he writes
00:50:25both in France
00:50:25as outside of France
00:50:26And there in this case
00:50:27specifically
00:50:28BS appears
00:50:29that everything leads us to think
00:50:30since the documentation
00:50:31it's there
00:50:31which indeed
00:50:32Berenguer Sonier
00:50:32It is at the end of the 19th century
00:50:34in Jaén
00:50:34precisely with one
00:50:35of the heirs
00:50:36of this initiatory sect
00:50:38Muñoz Garnica
00:50:39the canon of the cathedral
00:50:40which of course also
00:50:41He knew many secrets
00:50:42of what supposedly
00:50:43there it has been kept
00:50:44bird society
00:50:46in quotation marks
00:50:46And now this corpse appears
00:50:47and we repeat
00:50:48Berenguer Sonier
00:50:49the man who gives rise
00:50:51really
00:50:51to the incredible
00:50:53and a great salesperson
00:50:54novel by Dan Brown
00:50:55Pablo
00:50:56There is one thing that is very important
00:50:57And it needs to be said.
00:50:57Because it needs to be said.
00:50:58that we are here
00:50:59to break the silence
00:51:00and to tell the tale
00:51:00There were journalists in Jaén.
00:51:02that they had already
00:51:03I've sensed this clue
00:51:05connection
00:51:05between
00:51:05The Da Vinci Code
00:51:06scenes from The Da Vinci Code
00:51:07and death in the cathedral
00:51:08and you have found
00:51:09with a fear
00:51:10and a silence
00:51:10Nobody wanted to come
00:51:11of that area
00:51:13to tell it
00:51:13clear
00:51:14despite
00:51:15who has broken
00:51:16that silence
00:51:16luckily
00:51:18for us
00:51:18has been
00:51:21Moya
00:51:21the journalist
00:51:22the correspondent
00:51:23of the world
00:51:23and that he dared
00:51:25to comment
00:51:26to do also
00:51:27a connection
00:51:28with the book
00:51:28with the da Vinci code
00:51:30and well
00:51:32found
00:51:32that possibility
00:51:33also
00:51:33that it was
00:51:34a murder
00:51:34practiced
00:51:35by people
00:51:37associate
00:51:37to error games
00:51:38I hope that's not it
00:51:40because otherwise
00:51:40we would be giving
00:51:41much more turns
00:51:42Is there fear in Jaén?
00:51:42talk about this
00:51:43Have you ever been afraid?
00:51:44I feel silence
00:51:45For example
00:51:46I went to talk
00:51:47with a cook
00:51:47from a restaurant
00:51:49who was a friend
00:51:50of the deceased
00:51:52and the person
00:51:53He looked scared.
00:51:54for the best
00:51:54normal too
00:51:55as a journalist
00:51:56but already a little bit
00:51:57more relaxed
00:51:58he told me
00:51:58that I didn't understand
00:51:59because
00:52:00had killed
00:52:01to Francis
00:52:02because he was a good person
00:52:03a person
00:52:04who didn't get into trouble
00:52:05a person
00:52:06that he had a normal life
00:52:07He drank a little
00:52:08and he was a very good friend
00:52:09of the children
00:52:09yes indeed
00:52:10because it had been
00:52:10vedel
00:52:11in a school
00:52:12before retiring
00:52:13And there wasn't one either.
00:52:15a mobile
00:52:15let's say
00:52:16of robbery
00:52:17Pablo's question
00:52:18would be the victim
00:52:19suitable for a ritual
00:52:20Many people will be thinking about it.
00:52:21We need to do a part
00:52:22at the moment
00:52:23It must be said
00:52:23please
00:52:24the thousands of associations
00:52:26of role-playing games
00:52:26Don't think now
00:52:27that we are attacking
00:52:28Quite the contrary
00:52:29the crime was like this
00:52:29And it is true that
00:52:30mistakenly
00:52:31many people think
00:52:32that the role has to do
00:52:33with all this
00:52:33the role itself
00:52:34It has nothing to do with it
00:52:34with all this
00:52:35Don José Cabrera
00:52:36throughout his
00:52:37many years
00:52:37research
00:52:38forensic
00:52:39you have found
00:52:40with a corpse
00:52:42with this symbolism
00:52:44of the feathers
00:52:44on the street
00:52:45Before I wanted to tell you
00:52:46that I was
00:52:47with the murderers
00:52:48of the role
00:52:49I tried them
00:52:50at the time
00:52:51I had to do
00:52:51psychiatric assessments
00:52:53and so on
00:52:53and in that case
00:52:54indeed
00:52:54They were people
00:52:55a very young
00:52:56that allowed itself to be induced
00:52:57by the greatest
00:52:58and the greatest
00:52:58It was schizophrenia.
00:52:59means
00:52:59He was a man
00:53:00with a serious disorder
00:53:01In other words, a mentally ill person
00:53:03without treatment
00:53:05indeed
00:53:05what you said
00:53:06It's very clear.
00:53:07role-playing games
00:53:07do not lead to this
00:53:08one has fun
00:53:09You give to intelligence
00:53:11And regarding the question
00:53:12What are you doing to me?
00:53:13This certainly
00:53:15It has every impression
00:53:16of being a symbolic death
00:53:18that is to say
00:53:19symbolic death
00:53:20Yeah
00:53:20What does that mean?
00:53:20means
00:53:21that is as if prepared
00:53:24the corpse
00:53:25that is to say
00:53:25because nothing has been stolen from him
00:53:26his belongings
00:53:27They were standing around the corpse.
00:53:29There were feathers
00:53:30and bird droppings
00:53:30who has spoken very highly of us
00:53:31of symbolism
00:53:32regarding possible partnerships
00:53:34etc.
00:53:35now
00:53:35I have a great emptiness.
00:53:37because I don't know
00:53:38the cause of death
00:53:39because it's a blow
00:53:40in the head
00:53:40can kill a person
00:53:41but that blow
00:53:42Can someone give it?
00:53:43or that someone
00:53:44may stumble
00:53:45and fall and die
00:53:46and then later
00:53:47another person
00:53:48take advantage of that circumstance
00:53:50and create a symbolism
00:53:52That's the fault
00:53:53And that's normal.
00:53:54José Cabrera
00:53:54that someone
00:53:55Because, I repeat,
00:53:56that there is a scene
00:53:57Right, Pablo?
00:53:58is located
00:53:59to an individual
00:54:00that they call
00:54:00the ghost
00:54:00the press
00:54:01she called it that
00:54:01because nobody knows who he is
00:54:02Jaén isn't that big either.
00:54:04could not be located
00:54:05at this moment
00:54:06Is it normal for someone
00:54:07see a dead body
00:54:08and instead of helping him
00:54:09Looking for feathers?
00:54:11totally strange
00:54:12that is to say
00:54:12It's beyond human comprehension.
00:54:14the one that a person
00:54:14I passed by there
00:54:15see a dead body
00:54:16and instead of running
00:54:17to the police
00:54:17or to the Civil Guard
00:54:18grab some feathers and throw them there
00:54:20therefore
00:54:20That's the key element.
00:54:21mystery
00:54:22the investigation
00:54:23remains open
00:54:24José Cabrera
00:54:24thanks a lot
00:54:25to you
00:54:25Pablo Villarrubia
00:54:26Thanks mate
00:54:27Lorenzo
00:54:27We will continue investigating.
00:54:29We'll be there investigating.
00:54:30Let's see what happens
00:54:30Now let's see
00:54:31other things
00:54:32other documents
00:54:32other elements
00:54:33which are also graphics
00:54:34and visuals
00:54:35They couldn't be missing
00:54:36the photographs
00:54:37of fourth millennium
00:54:46definitely
00:54:47It's a gloomy place.
00:54:48and special
00:54:48the one we visited
00:54:50now we come here
00:54:51to the laboratory
00:54:51to fall flat on our faces
00:54:53with another
00:54:54which also has its intrigue
00:54:55Carmen
00:54:55a curious image
00:54:56that sent us
00:54:57a person
00:54:58that is identified
00:54:58like Styx
00:54:59via mail
00:55:01electronic of the program
00:55:02she said she was captured
00:55:03in London
00:55:04in April 2005
00:55:05and really
00:55:06after the analysis
00:55:07by Guillermo León
00:55:08It's really curious.
00:55:09what we can find
00:55:10in it
00:55:11as we see
00:55:12It's the River Thames
00:55:13on the shore
00:55:14they go for a walk
00:55:15passersby
00:55:16and suddenly
00:55:17on one side
00:55:19it is sensed
00:55:21a silhouette
00:55:22which seems to be
00:55:23smoke
00:55:23smoke
00:55:24or of luminosity
00:55:25the truth
00:55:26It's just weird
00:55:27because it would be a species
00:55:28of a translucent child
00:55:29there are no signs
00:55:30handling
00:55:31in the photo
00:55:32nor in the information
00:55:33neither
00:55:33Exif
00:55:34the one that stays etched in memory
00:55:35in all cameras
00:55:36digital
00:55:37although nowadays
00:55:37Yes, that's true
00:55:38that can be edited
00:55:39said photograph
00:55:40and put that strange being
00:55:41strolling
00:55:42next to the passersby
00:55:43that really
00:55:44they did it
00:55:44on the shore
00:55:45of the River Thames
00:55:46So, first photo
00:55:47of the season
00:55:47with some uncertainty
00:55:49And now let's move on to something else.
00:55:50which also causes it
00:55:51and a place
00:55:52similar
00:55:52although in the United States
00:55:54over there
00:55:54You know which movie
00:55:55it was filmed
00:55:56with an atmosphere
00:55:56such
00:55:57No?
00:55:58the most terrifying movie
00:56:00The Exorcist
00:56:01The Exorcist
00:56:02William Fritzkin
00:56:03she did it
00:56:03the novel was written
00:56:04William Peter Blatty
00:56:05and tonight
00:56:06on Fourth Millennium
00:56:07let's get to know
00:56:07the true story
00:56:09It must be said
00:56:10one more time
00:56:11that the truth
00:56:11surpasses any fiction
00:56:13the story
00:56:13of the child
00:56:14which gave rise
00:56:15to this film
00:56:15Robbie Mangin
00:56:17They want to meet her
00:56:17here
00:56:17on Fourth Millennium
00:56:19one day
00:56:21and
00:56:47on Fourth Millennium
00:57:07It doesn't matter how much time has passed.
00:57:09There are topics that affect us in a very special way.
00:57:13Some psychiatrists speak of the archaic subconscious.
00:57:16For generations, for centuries, we have the same terrors.
00:57:19The same ones that also terrified our great-grandparents.
00:57:22One of the greatest, one of the most fearsome, is the figure of the evil one, of the demonic.
00:57:27William Peter Blatty told it very well in a novel that sold millions of copies, The Exorcist.
00:57:32And what about the movie sequel?
00:57:34I confess that I still can't watch it without being startled.
00:57:38There is something about that movie that makes it different from any other in the world of horror.
00:57:42There is something that might be true.
00:57:45Could it be true, or is it true?
00:57:48I leave you with The Exorcist.
00:57:54In 1973, a film terrified the world.
00:57:59Millions of viewers around the world were shocked by the case of the possessed girl.
00:58:04A chilling story based on the novel by William Peter Blatty, which showed the world that evil is...
00:58:12closer than we imagine.
00:58:20Blatty tells the story of Regan McNeil, a girl like any other, who made the mistake of opening a door
00:58:26into the unknown, which would take time to close.
00:58:30It all started when the little girl, through the Ouija board, tried to contact her recently deceased aunt.
00:58:38Regan begins to change before the frightened eyes of her mother, who does not recognize her daughter in the being
00:58:43that lies before him.
00:58:44Her childlike voice turns harsh, she blasphemes, mutters in Latin, strange cuts appear on her face, and her face becomes a shadow.
00:58:53of what it used to be.
00:58:55Unexplainable phenomena occur around the girl.
00:58:59The furniture moves on its own, the lights turn on and off, the sheets on her bed swirl violently.
00:59:09The family consults numerous doctors and surgeons seeking a solution to the ailment that torments their daughter.
00:59:14But science has no answers.
00:59:17That is when they turn to faith; the priests have no doubt.
00:59:21Now, Regan is possessed by evil.
00:59:25The girl's demonic face, her scarred skin, that otherworldly voice, and the brutal contortions she performed while
00:59:34was exorcised
00:59:35They have gone down in film history and are described with extreme clarity by Blatty in his novel, as if
00:59:41I would have lived it.
00:59:42But William Peter Blatty didn't need to imagine The Exorcist.
00:59:47The story was real.
00:59:50The case was so gruesome that it remained a secret for years.
00:59:54So secret that the story of little Regan Magnil is actually the story of a boy named
01:00:02Robin Mannheim.
01:00:12Now I invite you to take a break.
01:00:15The entire Cuarto Milenio program focuses on this very special place, our place of testimonies,
01:00:21where everything relaxes a little, where time seems to pass more slowly.
01:00:24And it's worth it.
01:00:25It's worth it because we are living the true story that inspired William Fratkin's The Exorcist.
01:00:32It really does feel like this could be a movie.
01:00:35We can get confused and think that it's all fiction.
01:00:38But cases of possession, of alleged possession, do occur.
01:00:41And many people, not just priests, have testified that almost inexplicable elements prey on bodies many times
01:00:49of boys and girls.
01:00:50The true story of the exorcist, the protagonist was Robin Mannheim, a boy from Montreiner.
01:00:55In Spain we have similar cases.
01:00:58Our first guest is a prestigious journalist.
01:01:01He has been the world's religious affairs correspondent for more than 15 years.
01:01:05He is José Manuel Vidal.
01:01:06I extend a special welcome to you tonight.
01:01:08Welcome José Manuel Vidal.
01:01:09Thank you.
01:01:09You've done reports on this exorcism issue.
01:01:12Is it heresy to say that exorcisms are still practiced?
01:01:15Does evil seem to be lurking around in this 21st century?
01:01:18Not only is it not heresy, but it is the explicit reaffirmation of a dogma.
01:01:24A dogma, let's say, that is shameful in the Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council,
01:01:29which becomes secondary, because the pendulum swing that occurs in the Church always leads to this type
01:01:35of things.
01:01:36Before the council, the priests wanted to force people to God.
01:01:40And then they would even stage sulfur and hell and all that kind of stuff.
01:01:45After the council that was forgotten and today nobody talks about hell and the devil.
01:01:50But it is a dogma, it is a reality that exists, that occurs, that appears in the Old Testament, in the
01:01:56New Testament,
01:01:58And there are cases today that confirm it.
01:02:00From Jesus of Nazareth, who could have been one of the first exorcists,
01:02:04There are historical accounts of people extracting, let's call it that, demons or evil entities.
01:02:09of the bodies of other individuals who are severely affected.
01:02:12Of course, talking about this in the 21st century, for example, in Madrid, can be shocking.
01:02:16You did one of those reports that goes around the world, it has to be said.
01:02:20Never a truer word spoken, when talking about the story of a girl,
01:02:23And you became personally as a journalist, as a person removed from what might be the most common motivations or
01:02:30less personal,
01:02:31You came to see phenomena in that girl that we might consider inexplicable to science.
01:02:36Yes, I was affected, very personally affected, to the point of falling to my knees there.
01:02:45so that those phenomena that were happening before my eyes would end as soon as possible
01:02:50and that girl would stop suffering, feel free, and that mother who was on her knees beside her
01:02:56put an end to the years of suffering that I had interviewed her about before the exorcism
01:03:01And when I saw her during the exorcism, it lasted two hours.
01:03:05It was a truly transformative experience, one of those that marks you for life.
01:03:10And in those moments you touch the mystery, you feel something, that is to say, this cannot be invented,
01:03:17In other words, I went in with many prejudices, as a good journalist, or a good journalist as a journalist.
01:03:21that you always doubt and say, well, this could be a setup, what's the motivation behind it.
01:03:27I had thoroughly researched the exorcist, and had sought advice from all my sources and contacts.
01:03:34who he was, why he was doing it, there was no trickery involved.
01:03:38Did you feel afraid?
01:03:40I felt fear, yes, I felt fear, especially at two moments. One, when the girl with her eyes completely rolled back in her head
01:03:46He turned around.
01:03:47I was sitting on a bench at the same distance as you and I are now,
01:03:51She was lying on the floor on a green plastic mat, and at one point she turned towards
01:03:58my
01:03:58and he looked at me with his eyes completely blank.
01:04:00Another time when Father Fortea told me that if I wanted I could ask him a question mentally
01:04:07and I didn't dare to do it.
01:04:10And the third time I felt the most fear was when, at a certain moment, Father Fortea interrupted the exorcism.
01:04:16Because that is a struggle, the significance of a struggle between good and evil right there before your very eyes.
01:04:21A taboo struggle, a centuries-old struggle that is staged there.
01:04:24And at the first hour, after the first hour, he cut short the exhausted exorcism and went out to get a drink.
01:04:31water.
01:04:31And at that moment I said to myself, what's going on here? What could happen now?
01:04:36As long as he's there, everything is under control.
01:04:38He's like the master of ceremonies who perfectly directs the event.
01:04:41When he left, you feel kind of like, well, what can happen here now?
01:04:46Then, José Manuel, there have been cases that have acquired more or less relevance,
01:04:49cases that have become public, more or less controversial stories,
01:04:53But the feeling is that when you go back to the primal matters, when you truly see that body,
01:04:58You even confessed that at one point, given your pragmatic perspective,
01:05:03as a journalist who goes to verify a reality,
01:05:05You see a girl's body rise a few centimeters off the ground.
01:05:09Yes, yes.
01:05:09Can you confirm that?
01:05:10Yes, yes.
01:05:12In other words, in that environment there are a series of phenomena that powerfully attract your attention.
01:05:20The voice, for example, you for two hours with howls, shrieks,
01:05:25truly otherworldly, that shock you from within, that stir you up inside.
01:05:30The laughter, the laughter of the supposed devil that was in there,
01:05:35how he answered Fortea's questions in all languages,
01:05:39In Latin, in Greek, in the ones I controlled, right?
01:05:44And the claws, the hands turned into claws, I didn't get to see the feet because they were...
01:05:50The girl was wearing white socks on her feet, a kind of sports sock.
01:05:57But even inside the sock, you could see how the foot had turned into a claw.
01:06:01And at a certain moment, when, well, yes, you see that girl who is constantly moving in a creepy way,
01:06:09It rises, I couldn't say exactly, five centimeters from the ground and remains upright for a few moments.
01:06:17And then you say, well, what's going on here?
01:06:20It starts to rise and in a fraction of a second it rises about five centimeters from the mattress
01:06:27and it remains stabilized there for a few fractions of a second, right?
01:06:30And you say...
01:06:32Did you see that?
01:06:33I saw that myself.
01:06:34The 21st-century journalist, who is used to grappling with daily news reports and technology,
01:06:38In this fast-paced world, how does he come to terms with having seen that with his own eyes?
01:06:43Well, it's complicated, it's very hard.
01:06:46You're left marked, you're left a little groggy for a while, you say, but what's going on here?
01:06:52How does this happen? Why does this happen?
01:06:55It gives you the feeling that you are touching the mystery, and the mystery of the deepest depths.
01:07:01Those primordial mysteries, right?
01:07:05It gives you the feeling that there is some kind of struggle between good and evil.
01:07:09Do you think there was no trickery involved?
01:07:11From what I saw, from what I witnessed, absolutely none.
01:07:14Neither Fortea nor those of us who were there,
01:07:19acting as notaries, simply observing what was happening before our eyes.
01:07:25And as a notary, you have also been able to witness something truly surprising and overwhelming.
01:07:31Theologians would call this xenoglossia, the ability to respond or speak in languages completely unknown to the person.
01:07:37You were able, if not to engage in dialogue, to listen to a dialogue that you understood, because you know Latin, Greek, and I believe there was even
01:07:45Hebrew words.
01:07:46In Hebrew. The three languages I know, Latin and Greek, the two languages I know.
01:07:52I don't know Hebrew, but I do know Latin and Greek.
01:07:54Father Fortea used both languages to ask him things, and very specific things at that.
01:08:00And he always answered perfectly.
01:08:02I am now remembering an interview I had many years ago with one of the official exorcists of the diocese of
01:08:07Barcelona, Father Suñar.
01:08:08And he told me that for him it made all the difference.
01:08:11He had never faced the devil more than once, he said, a man who studied theology.
01:08:15And José Manuel was talking about a girl in a very disadvantaged neighborhood in Barcelona, a very precarious socio-cultural situation.
01:08:21I was speaking to him in perfect Latin.
01:08:23This seems to be a fact that attracts a lot of attention from the church.
01:08:26You, in 15 years of journalistic career, in this last medium, but many more covering these kinds of issues, with
01:08:32rigor, with precision.
01:08:33Have you come across anything similar?
01:08:36I had never attended a live exorcism before.
01:08:40I was really impressed and I don't think I'd ever seen anything like that before.
01:08:46I think, look, I've witnessed things and seen things, but never things like that.
01:08:52Was it worth it?
01:08:53It was totally worth it.
01:08:55I wouldn't do it again, though, because you suffer too much.
01:08:59It's being in a situation, as I was saying before, touching the depths of the human being
01:09:07And seeing that girl and that mother, who seemed like a real woman in pain, suffering so much, on her knees...
01:09:13next to her daughter.
01:09:15You're waiting, and for a moment, as I was saying, I started crying and praying that
01:09:20I would finish as soon as possible.
01:09:21Perhaps as a result of this testimony from José Manuel Vidal, we begin to understand that reality almost always surpasses...
01:09:27fiction.
01:09:28And perhaps we'll also see the report that follows and the story that gave rise to the exorcist with different
01:09:33eyes.
01:09:34José Manuel Vidal, journalist for El Mundo, I truly thank you from the bottom of my heart for being the first guest at the
01:09:39testimonial section of this program.
01:09:40Thanks to you.
01:09:41We continue with that gripping story.
01:09:43What was hidden behind the exorcist?
01:09:45Who was that child?
01:09:47What happened to him?
01:09:48Let's find out.
01:09:52Fathers Albert Hughes, Raymond Bishop, William Borden and Walter Halloran subject the young man to extremely harsh sessions to exorcise him.
01:10:02With the rituale romanum in hand, the priests try to expel the demon from Robbie's body.
01:10:09In one of the sessions, he brutally attacks one of the priests.
01:10:15Satanic words and symbols sprout on his skin overnight.
01:10:19Its appearance is terrifying.
01:10:22Robbie Van Hengen is possessed.
01:10:25To each prayer of the clergymen, Robbie responds with an impossible movement, unbecoming of a human being.
01:10:32Weeks go by without the young man showing any signs of improvement.
01:10:37The priests had faithfully followed the three steps dictated by the rituale romanum.
01:10:42I command, I expel you, and I conjure you, but absolutely nothing.
01:10:49They decided to convert him to Catholicism.
01:10:52Robbie is baptized.
01:10:53Later, they try to get him to take communion.
01:10:57And he spits out the body of Christ again and again.
01:11:01Finally, he swallows the sacred host.
01:11:04Robbie Van Hengen begins to writhe with extreme violence.
01:11:08He convulses and writhes like never before.
01:11:11But it's the final fight.
01:11:14Suddenly, the room lights up.
01:11:17Robbie opens his eyes.
01:11:18And a faint thread of voice flows from her mouth.
01:11:22He's gone.
01:11:26The creator of The Exorcist based it on a brief, a small note from a local newspaper.
01:11:31How often does that happen?
01:11:32Great stories in small spaces.
01:11:35Exactly here.
01:11:36This cluster of lines told the story of a priest who was trying to fight to save the soul supposedly
01:11:43condemned by a boy.
01:11:45The name that came to light was Robbie Van Hengen.
01:11:47Keep that in mind.
01:11:48It seems that the exorcism lasted for weeks.
01:11:51And that really impressed so much that it ended up becoming a novel.
01:11:55The reality was there.
01:11:56Our colleague Carmen Porter investigated and explored that reality.
01:11:59In his book Mysteries of the Church.
01:12:00With documents never seen before.
01:12:03Documents that approximate reality?
01:12:05Or are you thinking that there might also be some fiction or exaggeration involved?
01:12:09Documents that are completely real.
01:12:10We have to go back to 1949.
01:12:13To the town of Moonrainer in Washington.
01:12:16There, the protagonist of the events is a boy.
01:12:18A boy who was named Robert Van Hengen.
01:12:20I was 13 years old at the time all the events took place.
01:12:24It all started, Iker, because he was very fond of using the Ouija board with his aunt Harry.
01:12:29At 13 years old, he used a Ouija board.
01:12:30At 13 years old.
01:12:31She is the one who gets him involved in spiritualism.
01:12:35The one who starts practicing with him.
01:12:37They believe they are contacting the dead, beings that are on other planes, in other spheres.
01:12:42And when she dies, when his Aunt Harry passes away, Robert locks himself in his room and tries on his own to
01:12:49that board full of letters.
01:12:51In which he allegedly wants to contact his deceased aunt Harry.
01:12:56And may she receive messages from beyond.
01:12:58It is then, from those solitary, childish games that Robert plays, that things begin to happen in his home
01:13:07poltergeist phenomena.
01:13:09There are also strange smells that are always in the room.
01:13:12Strange noises always around Robert's bed.
01:13:16At first, the parents think they are just childish pranks.
01:13:20They also think he is very affected by the death of that aunt to whom he was very close.
01:13:25I loved her very much.
01:13:26But they begin to see that something strange is happening around them.
01:13:30They witness jackets and coats flying out of closets.
01:13:36How books fall off the shelves and literally fly around the room.
01:13:41And that's when they don't know what to do anymore.
01:13:44They take him to psychiatrists, they take him to psychologists.
01:13:46Everyone rules out that it is a mental illness, that he has any mental disorder.
01:13:53That's when they decide to go to an exorcist.
01:13:56What was then known as a priest who could calm or at least alleviate these phenomena that
01:14:05They were happening around this boy.
01:14:07Initially, it is the Lutheran priest Mills who decides to say several prayers, even taking him to his house to
01:14:16to see if those phenomena actually occur.
01:14:18They all witness how a kind of invisible claw, one of the nights, completely tears the mattress where
01:14:25Robert Manhey is lying down.
01:14:27How long did the exorcism last until, as we saw in the images of our colleagues' reenactment, it was all over?
01:14:31The exorcism lasts more than six months, mainly because several exorcists intervene to try to cure this person.
01:14:42boy, to Robert.
01:14:43The first of them, the Lutheran, cannot perform an exorcist ritual as is done today in
01:14:51the Catholic Church,
01:14:52because Luther had removed some of the prayers, including the one for exorcism.
01:14:57Furthermore, he is attacked by Robert Manhey himself and decides to completely distance himself from this boy and all the others.
01:15:04phenomena that occur around it.
01:15:06It is then that he converts to Catholicism, is baptized, and the exorcism can be performed on him.
01:15:12Three Catholic priests, Bogner, Bishop, and Halloran, are the ones who have been treating [the patient] for more than six months.
01:15:19This boy.
01:15:20Night after night, they watch as the phenomena occur with increasing virulence.
01:15:26Sometimes, as we saw in the report, strange words begin to emerge from inside Robert's body.
01:15:35like gel, hell, also a series of numbers.
01:15:39The priests don't quite understand what those dates mean, what those words mean.
01:15:43They do understand some of the Latin words he says; he even answers the priests when they ask him questions...
01:15:50In other words, there is that dialogue again that José Manuel Vidal was telling us about a few moments ago.
01:15:53Indeed, there is once again that dialogue in dead languages that he did not know.
01:15:57He even says that he pronounces words in Aramaic.
01:16:01And it all ended, suddenly one day it was over.
01:16:03And what do we know today about Roby Manhey, the supposed Roby Manhey?
01:16:06The night on which the most terrible phenomena occur, according to the diary kept by one of the
01:16:12priests, Bishop,
01:16:13I was writing down each day what was happening during those days.
01:16:17Terrifying things that even, according to William Peter Blatt later stated,
01:16:22He was able to speak with that priest, but he had described very little in the film.
01:16:28What was happening there was tremendous until one day, when the phenomena seemed about to end
01:16:33even with the boy's life,
01:16:35with Robert's life, because in the end they calm down from one moment to the next.
01:16:39He says the evil has already left his body; there is a great burst of light within.
01:16:43room
01:16:44And from that day on, Robert Manhey, having converted to Catholicism,
01:16:48What I could find out is that he is now a completely normal person.
01:16:52He does not remember those six months of his life, nor does he remember the exorcisms he underwent.
01:16:57and that today he has children and is a normal person like any of us here.
01:17:03A surprising story, the one that originated, as we have learned today, tonight, the exorcist.
01:17:08The curious thing is that, obviously from a psychiatric perspective, we have discussed it on occasion last season,
01:17:13There has to be some kind of hysteria, there has to be some kind of explainable phenomenon.
01:17:17But there comes a point when brain science itself reaches unknown thresholds.
01:17:21What we are going to see now, without a doubt, I believe, clearly has to do with hysteria,
01:17:25It has to do with people who believe they are possessed,
01:17:28But it's curious that this continues to happen and why it occurs.
01:17:31You were talking about 13 years old, Carmen.
01:17:33Alberto Granados, colleague, good evening.
01:17:34How are you? Good evening.
01:17:35Welcome to this new season.
01:17:36Thank you.
01:17:37Your report and experience, well, you were both there, truly impressive.
01:17:42Careful, we're not saying here that this girl, of course,
01:17:45I hope she also recovers very soon, and is possessed by the devil.
01:17:48Not at all, nothing could be further from the truth.
01:17:51We are talking about people who think they are something special, and that is a trauma for the family.
01:17:55You experienced it a few months ago.
01:17:57What is important to highlight here is that psychological problems did not exist.
01:18:00At least, that's what this 16-year-old girl had been told.
01:18:05who said or thought that strange characters visited him.
01:18:10So yes, he did see several doctors, several psychiatrists,
01:18:13And it seems that that issue was ruled out.
01:18:15Schizophrenia, or any psychological illness, appears to have been ruled out.
01:18:20Therefore, we are not dealing with a case of demon possession.
01:18:23We also can't talk, because if we look at some of the images,
01:18:25We will see how the girl carries a crucifix,
01:18:27Therefore, he also had no problem wearing a crucifix,
01:18:31in these little trances he entered,
01:18:33in which she claimed that strange characters visited her.
01:18:36But strange characters like entities.
01:18:38Yes, they were entities that also interacted with each other,
01:18:44They were people who visited her, told her things,
01:18:47They even made her find objects; there were objects in the house that those characters desired.
01:18:53In short, the girl was going through some pretty serious crises,
01:18:56which sometimes lasted up to three or four hours at a time,
01:19:00with those small possessions of those characters.
01:19:03And spasms, attacks on his own family, which is something that often happens and is very curious,
01:19:08And many of us think, believe, that there may be a larval of family conflicts.
01:19:13that suddenly appear in that way.
01:19:14This interests us because it interests human beings.
01:19:16And we have recordings that we are reviewing,
01:19:18even with the original sound of those moments when we see a girl
01:19:22who attacked his own mother when he was only 13 or 14 years old,
01:19:25who seemed to want to kill her.
01:19:27These are traumas that are experienced within families, and many people are talking about them.
01:19:30Well, what nonsense, of course, you have to experience it and have it in a family.
01:19:33She is also hypnotized in this case by Prudence Mogulusa,
01:19:37which we have had in this program.
01:19:39He's the one who led us to this case, and the truth is that
01:19:42From the beginning, what she does is look at her mother with a face,
01:19:47We have covered her face so that her privacy is not revealed
01:19:52And since she is a minor, even more so,
01:19:54but above all because of the tremendous ferocity with which he attacks his mother's neck.
01:19:59He says he wants his strength, he wants his power.
01:20:02We later spoke with the mother,
01:20:04She says she is a very strong, very lively person, and that her daughter is much calmer.
01:20:08But the hatred is always directed towards that mother.
01:20:11She did not believe that she, her mother, or her family were possessed by any demon.
01:20:16But there was indeed a dichotomy between two characters, one bad and one good.
01:20:20Good and evil are always at play, in this case within the body of a little girl.
01:20:25What could it be? Well, the truth is that we didn't reach any conclusion.
01:20:28It is true that some of the words we will hear later,
01:20:31She herself, now conscious, having come out of the trance, out of hypnotism,
01:20:36She is able to reproduce them.
01:20:37This is very strange because in other exorcisms we have witnessed,
01:20:42People don't usually remember what happens when they are in that trance.
01:20:47when they are performing an exorcism or in this case hypnosis.
01:20:51This happened very recently, in Vizcaya.
01:20:53Yes, just a few months ago.
01:20:55And what also caught our attention is that it seems he also had special powers.
01:20:59That is, when I was near a family member and felt something strange,
01:21:03Soon after, strange things started happening to that relative.
01:21:05What the ancients called the gift of prophecy.
01:21:07Exactly.
01:21:07Everything gets mixed up a bit.
01:21:08If you'd like, let's take a look at those images of that supposed strange language.
01:21:13that many alleged possessed people claim to suddenly become aware of it
01:21:17And maybe then we'll really explain what it means.
01:21:30We consulted several specialists in ancient languages and, Carmen...
01:21:35And they didn't give us any solution.
01:21:37It did not correspond to any language, neither to Latin, nor to Greek, nor to Aramaic.
01:21:43We also open all the lines that this program always has to request your help from here.
01:21:49If you understand any language in the words the girl has said, please,
01:21:52Let them get in touch with us and see if we can figure out what they're saying.
01:21:56Although it's logical to think, Alberto, that this is just a product of one's own imagination,
01:21:59of elements that are not yet fully evolved and that sometimes arise in this way
01:22:03And above all, a greeting to that family because the suffering is there, no matter what anyone says.
01:22:07What is certain is that we experienced it, and the truth cannot be seen in the images.
01:22:12Because, as Carmen rightly said, we have covered up the teenager's face,
01:22:16But that face she made showed two people.
01:22:18One of them started, so to speak, that induction into hypnosis
01:22:23and another when it erupted with the presence of the possible visitors she had
01:22:27And they were two completely different people, that's clear.
01:22:30In this case, Alberto, there's no spiritualism or playing with a Ouija board, right?
01:22:33None of that, none of that happens.
01:22:34I believe it stems from a trauma that has been happening to him for some years now.
01:22:38He experiences these strange occurrences, and that's where it ends.
01:22:41There has been no Ouija board session or anything like that.
01:22:44Well, first of all, greetings to that family; I'm sure everything will be fine.
01:22:47But it's a journalistic example that these things happen.
01:22:50that families have to deal with elements that sometimes seem like hysteria,
01:22:53but doctors can't diagnose it either.
01:22:55So, well, let's just say the field of the human mind is very broad.
01:22:59Now we're talking about another field, a field that we know fascinates the people of Cuarto Milenio.
01:23:04Alberto, thank you very much, mate.
01:23:05A journalistic chronicle of what happens in many homes.
01:23:08That's right, traumas, psychiatry has a solution, sometimes it doesn't find it.
01:23:11We are sure, without a doubt, that this will calm down.
01:23:14Possessions, no.
01:23:15But for people who truly believe it, who live it, and who suffer it, yes.
01:23:19Let's now turn to another type of suffering,
01:23:21because there are people who have a very bad time when they get certain photographs.
01:23:24Carmen, the photographs from Cuarto Milenio.
01:23:33The old books on the UFO phenomenon said, whatever this mystery is,
01:23:38because in summer, people have more free time
01:23:40and a greater desire to photograph things in environments where they are not usually found,
01:23:44Many more images like this were captured, Carmen.
01:23:47Images sent to us, in this case, from Jimena de la Frontera, in Cádiz.
01:23:52Pedro Suárez told us that he captured this image,
01:23:55taking it, moreover, at a beautiful monument we found there
01:23:58and that he never realized there was a flying object,
01:24:01in this unidentified case, who was flying over the place.
01:24:04As we can see, it is indeed true that something was flying there.
01:24:08There is even a certain volume that can be seen in the shadows it casts
01:24:11on the ground and on part of the tower.
01:24:13But it could have been something someone had thrown from nearby,
01:24:18even from behind the building.
01:24:20One of those discs we use at the beach,
01:24:22that might have been flying over at that moment, when capturing the image,
01:24:26This photograph, Iker.
01:24:27In other words, a trick, an accident.
01:24:30What seems most strange is the underwater gaze,
01:24:34It can be said, in an unusual place.
01:24:36In a magical and beautiful setting,
01:24:38especially because of the animals that inhabit it,
01:24:40the Barcelona aquarium.
01:24:41That's where the parents of our viewers were spotted,
01:24:44Rosa and Victoria Olmedo, who write to us from Malaga,
01:24:46This image.
01:24:47At first they didn't realize what was being reflected
01:24:50in one of those windows, Iker.
01:24:52But we have analyzed, as we always do with photographs,
01:24:54And indeed it looks like a hooded monk
01:24:57I was also walking through those glass-enclosed corridors.
01:25:00As we can see in some of the images,
01:25:03There we see him, a completely hooded being.
01:25:06What was he doing walking around the aquarium?
01:25:07Well, that's Guillermo León's creation, isn't it?
01:25:09No.
01:25:10The most curious thing is that it is not a recreation of Guillermo León.
01:25:13That's right, it was there.
01:25:15There may be an explanation.
01:25:16We see in the foreground, precisely on one of the sides,
01:25:20on the right side of our screen,
01:25:23to a person who is wearing a cap, with a visor.
01:25:26Guillermo León thinks it could be a reflection,
01:25:29thanks to the concave crystals, which create that effect.
01:25:32But he really does look like a monk who was looking through the water
01:25:36to the people who were walking.
01:25:39Mystery or optical illusion?
01:25:41Two contact points that we are reactivating?
01:25:43Two contact methods that, as always, you can send
01:25:47anything you want us to analyze.
01:25:49Videos, photographs, and their stories too.
01:25:51We would like to receive them through those two contact methods.
01:25:54cuartomilenio, arroba4.com,
01:25:57and our post office box, 18189,
01:26:00clearly stating the Madrid postal code 28080.
01:26:04Well, it's getting close to the time to close our house for a week,
01:26:08Our mystery ship, the place where we work.
01:26:10By the way, Carmen, would you like me to tell you a little secret?
01:26:13Yeah.
01:26:13Do you know that one of the teams from Cuarto Milenio
01:26:16Has something happened to you that doesn't usually happen?
01:26:19What have they encountered in the mystery?
01:26:20Mysteries don't usually appear on our screens,
01:26:25in our cameras.
01:26:26He's always elusive, but this time,
01:26:28Juan Jesús Vallejo's team, in a place in Asturias,
01:26:31He has encountered some very strange things.
01:26:32The panic came to pass.
01:26:33We'll tell you in a week.
01:26:35We'll be here.
01:26:36Don't miss the appointment.
01:26:37As you know, we are Cuarto Milenio.
01:26:51Don't miss the appointment.
01:27:38Don't miss the appointment.
01:27:52Don't miss the appointment.
01:27:55Thank you.
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