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00:00What's going on, Kenny?
00:01No trades.
00:03Big snoozer at the deadline for our Cleveland Browns.
00:08Thoughts, opinions, more?
00:09What do you think?
00:10You know what?
00:10Okay.
00:11Big snoozer.
00:12Let me put two things together that I think have been part of the Browns' reality over
00:17the last couple of days, you know, since that really, really tough, heartbreaking loss because
00:24of the two-point conversion at the end of that game this weekend.
00:29So, what has happened since then?
00:31Two things happened.
00:32We had the coach refuse to acknowledge who the starting quarterback of the football team
00:37was.
00:38Today's a big day, Browns fans.
00:41And then the team did not make a trade to add to the roster.
00:46What kind of vote of confidence is that for everything going on in that locker room?
00:51Not to us.
00:52Yeah.
00:53For the people, for the players in that locker room.
00:55Because I would not have made a huge trade.
00:57You could spin it two ways.
00:57Oh, you wouldn't have?
00:58I would not.
00:59Yeah.
00:59I think I know why, but I want to ask you why.
01:01Yeah.
01:01Why?
01:03I don't think you wanted to raid your asset pool going forward for this team.
01:11Like, if they were going to add depth, okay.
01:13You know, we kept talking about backup tight end.
01:15It was a lot of non-splash, non-flashy moves.
01:20There was one player that a lot of people, at least fans that I had talked to, thought they
01:25might want to take a run out.
01:26That most teams that needed a running back wanted to take a run out.
01:30Jonathan Taylor?
01:30Yeah.
01:31He didn't get traded at all.
01:32They just weren't trading him.
01:33I did.
01:33There's...
01:34But age-wise, he's already 27.
01:36Well, yeah.
01:36But, you know, there's...
01:39Christian McCaffrey, I don't know if he's held up pretty well, but there's games that
01:42are really good after 27.
01:43I remember that was the big thing when talking about trading him.
01:47Derek Henry has aged like a fine wine.
01:49I don't know if anybody else really is, but I think you're looking at a guy like Jonathan
01:54Taylor.
01:54What would you get?
01:55What are you going to give up for Jonathan Taylor?
01:56Because it all depends...
01:58How much does it change the outcome of this season for you two?
02:00Well, I mean, he's a great running back, but what did they do the other day without
02:06Quentin Nelson?
02:07And, you know, I guess I...
02:08Because I'm...
02:10Obviously, I'm checking out on the Colts.
02:11I'm not going to sit there and watch the Colts.
02:13I'm done.
02:14I should have, maybe because...
02:15But I didn't think they...
02:16I never thought them serious to trade for Jonathan Taylor.
02:19And it's like, dude, you're playing the Cowboys.
02:21You're both bad teams.
02:22I don't want to deal with you.
02:23Jonathan Taylor ran for 46 yards.
02:25Okay, so...
02:2613 yards.
02:26What did he catch out of the...
02:27Did he catch anything out of the backfield?
02:29Or is there anything that's redeeming out of that game?
02:32Jonathan Taylor had five catches for 18 yards.
02:36Okay, so that was a...
02:39Sterling...
02:39I don't even know if they won or lost.
02:41They lose, I imagine.
02:42They lost by four.
02:43To Dallas, right?
02:44Yeah, to Dallas.
02:45But, um...
02:46So, I didn't think they'd trade for him.
02:48Because, again, there's no Chris Ballard there.
02:50And, you know, my whole thing...
02:51Some people got it the wrong way.
02:53Like, I thought they didn't get enough in certain trades.
02:55I'm like, man, I understand that, like, Quentin Nelson was leaving.
02:59But I think he could have got a little bit more for him.
03:01Had you not fired Chris Ballard, maybe it would have got a little bit more.
03:04But if you didn't want to trade him, and he's the general manager,
03:06well, I understand you have to make that decision.
03:09And if ownership loves a guy, we know this.
03:11If ownership loves somebody, they're not going to let him go.
03:13I'm sure that there were other offers...
03:15There definitely were other offers earlier for Miles Garrett that the Browns' ownership
03:20was just not going to entertain.
03:21And if Carly Ursae-Gordon does not want to entertain a trade for Jonathan Taylor,
03:24it just isn't going to happen.
03:26And if it was going to happen, you know, what are you going to give up?
03:29If we're not going to draft running backs in the first round,
03:33are we going to give up first-round picks for running backs?
03:36I think the answer is no.
03:37I don't think that Andrew Barry is going to do that.
03:40I don't think that many people are going to do that.
03:41So, okay, Jonathan Taylor didn't get traded for.
03:44Were there other running backs I guess you could have went after?
03:46I guess you could have went after Derrick Henry,
03:48but they're not going to give you Derrick Henry.
03:50Could you have gone after, like, a Saquon Barkley or something like that?
03:54I really don't think so.
03:56So, you're kind of stuck with what you have.
03:58But I like your answer because it's exactly what I thought.
04:02I think that they're in a position that they did not really expect themselves to be in.
04:06And because they're in that position, you're like, hey, this is really good.
04:10If you were 7-2, maybe you kind of start going for the gusto there.
04:14I think that would have been a difference.
04:15Maybe that would have been.
04:17Had they won the Jets game, had they come out on top of that Saints game.
04:19Yeah, but you're 5-4, and it's like, all right.
04:22Like, we're having discussions on what quarterback to play,
04:26and I'm having this conversation with everybody going,
04:28yeah, and I still don't think either quarterback's going to be here next year.
04:31I still don't think, like, we can sit here and fight,
04:34and I got some at 6-20.
04:36I might just have to wash my hands of the one here.
04:38If this is true, I don't want to believe it.
04:41I didn't want to believe you yesterday, and I'll get to that at 6-20.
04:43I'm not going to do it earlier.
04:44Well, so hold on now.
04:45What?
04:46They didn't trade Shador.
04:48No.
04:48Which, we were not saying we thought that could happen.
04:51I think, like, people thought maybe Dylan Gabriel,
04:53but Dylan hasn't played this year, so what teams are trading for him?
04:57We asked what teams would be trading for Shador,
04:59and we'll play some of Albert Breer if you missed the warm-up show
05:02with John Calavita, who stood in admirably for the great Jeff Thomas this morning.
05:07But you said you still don't think either quarterback will be next year.
05:11Yeah.
05:12Why not Shador at this point?
05:14He did not get traded.
05:15I will tell you why coming up at 6-23.
05:18I'm not going to tell you now.
05:21I want to.
05:22This is the show that refuses to answer the hard-toe question.
05:24No.
05:24Well, if you're that pissed at me for not telling you,
05:27then please come back at 6-23.
05:28I will address this at 6-23.
05:30Or stay around now also.
05:32Yeah.
05:32Well, I mean, yeah.
05:33But then at 6-23, listen for that answer.
05:36I was going to ask.
05:36I would like them to stay, but if they're that mad at me,
05:39like, hey, I will tell you at 6-23, we have audio to play.
05:42I'll get to that.
05:44And we will play the Albert Breer audio coming up later, too,
05:46because I agree with Albert.
05:48I agree with Albert.
05:53If you really want my honor, if you do want to discuss some quarterbacks,
05:57you want to get really into conspiracy here?
05:58Go ahead.
06:00I think Dylan Gabriel has a better chance to stay than all of them.
06:03Whoa.
06:08And a hush came over the room.
06:09I'm not trying to be hot takey.
06:10I'm being serious.
06:12And yet, how many snaps as a starter do you think he'll take
06:14in his time that he'll stay longer than all of them?
06:18Hopefully for himself and the fans and the Browns, very few.
06:22But.
06:23Well, that's not good for him.
06:24No, that'd be terrible for him.
06:26He wants to play.
06:27I draw conclusions.
06:29I can't draw conclusions.
06:31I draw lines out of things I hear.
06:34Okay?
06:37And all we heard is how much he knows the offense.
06:40How much he knows the offense.
06:41What have they struggled with with the other two quarterbacks?
06:44Knowledge of the offense.
06:46And so if this guy knows the offense,
06:48and I don't think that either one of these other quarterbacks are staying.
06:51Taylon Green can.
06:52I mean, Taylon Green's 6'6", and I think Taylon Green's smart.
06:55And I think Taylon Green has some potential.
06:58We'll see.
06:59But I don't think that Taylon Green's in any danger.
07:01Clearly, they've worked.
07:03Carson Ryan is doing the practice squad shuffle just so they can work the whole roster
07:09because they want to keep four quarterbacks.
07:12It's very interesting to see what they're doing to make sure they keep four quarterbacks.
07:16There's moves that they've made or not made, and that's one of them,
07:20to show you that I think they're surprised by their start at even five and four,
07:24in that I don't think they're rooting to lose.
07:26I don't think they hope to lose in the front office at all.
07:29But I think that they're going, we are not going to give up our assets.
07:32We are not going to give up on anybody we think can be a part of the future for the
07:35now.
07:36So we are not giving up first-round picks for any of these guys that you mentioned.
07:40We're not going to give up second-round picks for any of these guys that you mentioned.
07:43I think after the game against the Saints, they might have been closer to being –
07:46I mean, a blocking back, what are you getting – blocking tight end,
07:49what are you giving up for a blocking tight end?
07:51Very little.
07:51Very little.
07:52And if it was that high of a price, they're like, I want a fourth-rounder.
07:56Like, if you were like, I want a fourth-rounder for Charlie Kohler.
07:59Bye.
08:00Like, that type of thing.
08:01Maybe they thought Harold Fannin was so good blocking this past week
08:04when they made it apparent on the broadcast.
08:06That's all he did was chip away the entire week
08:08until they needed him to go beast mode and score a touchdown.
08:11Well, I mean, you mentioned him and comparing him to David Njoku
08:13and how David Njoku didn't do the things that Harold Fannin's doing
08:15and, like, David Njoku at the beginning of his career
08:17was simply not interested in blocking.
08:19But if you want to get conspiracy theorists about it,
08:24I don't think that the two – the starting quarterback
08:27or either or of the starting quarterbacks will find out later today.
08:30I just don't think they're long for the roster.
08:32And I think they're preparing for a future with somebody else
08:35who's either on another team or still in college.
08:39And that might be, honestly, with how much we know that they love
08:42one certain college quarterback, that might be a two-year process.
08:47I hate to say it.
08:49I hate to say it.
08:50Because I think they're looking at it right now.
08:52And I remember – you didn't get into it, Nate Tice, right?
08:55It was the other one?
08:55It was –
08:56Robert Mays.
08:56Robert Mays.
08:57Okay, so I can quote Nate Tice.
08:59I thought Nate Tice said it great at the beginning of the year.
09:02And he hosts the Football 301 podcast.
09:04It's a great podcast.
09:05They don't talk down to anybody.
09:06I really do enjoy Nate Tice and what he does.
09:10He had mentioned – he goes, man, the goal for the Browns –
09:12because they liked their draft.
09:13They liked a lot of things that they did.
09:15He goes, the goal for the Browns, I think, is to be –
09:17and I forget which 49ers team it was.
09:19Maybe it was the 1949ers, but I'm not sure.
09:22The team that was building with Kyle Shanahan, it's like,
09:25you want to be in all these games, but you're okay if you don't come out on top
09:29in all these games.
09:30And they've come out on top in more of these games than they have.
09:33And I think that's been a surprise.
09:35But you want to be in a position where it's a nice position
09:38to drop a young quarterback into.
09:41And this is part of the fight I've had with people over the last 24, 48 hours
09:46where there's people going, well, if we – like, Jason and I got into it yesterday
09:50because he's like, well, what's going to the wild card Ron give you?
09:52I go, what does it get you?
09:54I go, I don't care if they go out there and get boat raced like they did against Houston.
09:57What does it get you?
09:58Like, it proves that your young guys can play together.
10:01It proves that you're developing a culture.
10:03It proves that you do have talent here.
10:05I can keep – I am building trust in the 60-year-old head coach.
10:08I'm building trust in the embattled general manager
10:11and trying to find reasons to go, yep, this is on the baseball guy.
10:15This is not on Andrew Barry.
10:17Good friend.
10:17Like, we're trying to do that here.
10:19I don't want to give up on any of these guys.
10:21I really don't.
10:22So the reason that's brought up is that they very well could look at this
10:26at the end of the year if they finish with seven wins,
10:28if they finish with nine wins, whatever it might be,
10:30if they approach the playoffs and go, we know we have this, this, this, this, this.
10:34We still need this, that, and the other.
10:36And this is a better situation to drop a quarterback into
10:38than what the previous quarterbacks were dropped into, including Baker Mayfield.
10:42Now, his team got built up after him, but it's a better situation.
10:47And also, again, part of the fight that I have is that winning games is not a bad thing.
10:52Because I don't, who were, the last time we lost games, quote-unquote, on purpose,
10:58Baker Mayfield 2018, for Baker Mayfield in 2018, or for the number one pick in 2018,
11:04that was a blue-chip draft.
11:05Does anybody see quarterback drafts the way that it was almost 10 years ago now?
11:10No.
11:10I don't know that any quarterback draft is going to be like that now.
11:12Exactly.
11:12So now I think you're going, you are more apt at, where are they at, 16 and 18 in the
11:17draft
11:17with the Rams pick?
11:18Currently.
11:18Yes.
11:19You could look at it and go, okay, I might not be able to go up and get Darian Mensah.
11:25I might not be able to go up and get him, but can I go move up a little bit
11:30and maybe get,
11:31and some people are going to roll their eyes, but this might be the way they're thinking,
11:34Lenore Sellers, who was really impressive to me the other day and has been impressive
11:39and is saving Shane Bieber's job.
11:42Can they-
11:43Almost so impressive that I don't think he'll be anywhere near there.
11:45That's possible.
11:46Can you make a, can you make an argument for CJ Carr?
11:50You know, those guys.
11:51Heisman Trophy favorite right now, CJ Carr.
11:53Or, well, yeah, but there, as you said before the show, there's a hell of a lot of football
11:57left to be played.
11:59Or, and God forbid, does this become another place where, you know, I mentioned, I go,
12:05one team's trash is becoming another team's treasure and with quarterbacks in the NFL.
12:09Cam Ward was started way too early.
12:11He is in a terrible spot.
12:13Would he be available?
12:14Would you kick the tires on him?
12:16Or another guy who's a couple of years into the league?
12:19Or another guy who might be a quote-unquote journeyman?
12:22Can you do something with him?
12:23Until maybe you go after you-know-who.
12:26Which I have my criticisms for, but it's something I think they're very much interested in.
12:33Who's that?
12:34Who's that?
12:34Oh, Archman.
12:35Oh.
12:36But that wouldn't be until, not this coming year.
12:38Right.
12:38I assume he's probably going to go to Ole Miss or Indiana after this year, and that's going to be
12:42-
12:42We'll see how he finishes the year.
12:44We'll see.
12:44I mean, he had a great game against Mizzou the other day.
12:47By the way, I loved what John said.
12:49Did you notice what he mentioned about Kubiak and his reaction to Kirk Cousins being traded?
12:55I think I agree with him, because I think that Kubiak's looking at it going, we're trying to win football
12:59games.
12:59You're getting rid of this veteran.
13:00We're going to put Fernando Mendoza in there.
13:02But now I have no parachute if case Fernando Mendoza, like, something bad happens to him.
13:06Like, Kirk Cousins has played at a pretty high level, wouldn't you say?
13:09Yeah.
13:09Pretty good level.
13:11And you're hearing this, it's like, man, quarterbacks that you know, and this is a young coach,
13:16quarterbacks that you know are like, hey, they're not really going to turn the ball over.
13:19They deliver a great pass.
13:21Kirk Cousins has always thrown great with anticipation.
13:24You know, you throw the ball as long as you can, and you let your fast wide receiver run under
13:28it,
13:28and you pray to God it works, and it's worked out for Kirk Cousins.
13:32And obviously, he's a good quarterback.
13:33And I think that Kubiak knows, it's like, hey, this is, we're trying to compete here,
13:38just won a game, trying to win another, trying to win another, and another, and another.
13:41And yeah, Mendoza's the future, but I also have to figure out the now.
13:45And I think that that's what a lot of teams are trying to do.
13:48So it's conspiratorial.
13:51It is convoluted.
13:53I get that.
13:54But I think it's kind of what they're trying to form a plan,
13:57and I don't think that their plan included being 5-4.
13:59I wonder what the mood inside that building is, that they didn't add to the team,
14:04and they can't name a starting quarterback after a loss to the terrible Saints.
14:09I wonder what the mood inside that building is compared to what it was
14:12when they were going nuts early in the season,
14:15when they were partying at Deshaun Watson's place.
14:19So, coming up in five minutes.
14:22Well, we have 7 in heaven at 7.
14:25I got a clip of Albert Breer I want to play,
14:27and usually I hate, I don't hate the guy.
14:30I think he's obviously very talented, one of the people I grew up listening to.
14:33I got another radio show that I want to play,
14:38because I have to apologize to Lima.
14:40He tried to tell me yesterday, and I just wasn't listening.
14:44I just, because I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt so bad,
14:48I just didn't listen and moved on.
14:50It wasn't where I stuck my fingers in my ears and closed my eyes.
14:54I just kind of moved past you.
14:56And I brought this up yesterday, and you're like,
14:58yeah, I tried to tell you.
15:01If this is true,
15:04I really think I got to wash my hands of one of these quarterbacks here.
15:08And I'll tell you who, coming up in five minutes on the fan.
15:10And I'll tell you who, coming up in five minutes on the fan.
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