- há 17 horas
E. Jean Carroll won two lawsuits against Donald Trump for defamation and battery. Beyond that, she built a career as a successful magazine writer and authored one of America's longest-running advice columns.
Categoria
🗞
NotíciasTranscrição
00:00:28A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:00:49A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:01:00A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:01:00A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:01:02A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:01:37A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:01:39A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:01:59A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:02:05A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:02:10A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:02:35A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:02:45A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:03:21A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:03:24A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:03:26A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:03:38A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:03:52A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:03:53A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:03:54A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:03:56A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:04:14A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:04:51A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:04:56A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:04:58A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:05:08A CIDADE NO BRASIL
00:05:15I WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED
00:05:16I DIDN'T HAVE MONEY
00:05:17TO GET AN ATTORNEY
00:05:19EVERYTHING I'D WORK
00:05:20FOR WOULD BE DISSIPATED
00:05:21YOU SAID DON'T EVER
00:05:24SPEAK OF THIS AGAIN
00:05:26DON'T EVER TELL ANYONE
00:05:28THIS STORY
00:05:29AS LONG AS YOU LIVE
00:05:31DO I HAVE YOUR WORD
00:05:32AND YOU DID
00:05:34AND THAT WAS THAT
00:05:41THERE'S NO SUCH THING
00:05:43Seguindo as destiny, dear listener,
00:05:46we ourselves make our lives.
00:05:51My first husband was a very jolly fellow
00:05:54who thought he was Ernest Hemingway.
00:05:56He shot pheasant, attended bullfights,
00:05:59drank absinthe,
00:06:00toyed with the idea of shooting his brains out, and so on.
00:06:04Oh, we got along famously.
00:06:08I spent my days writing the magazine articles,
00:06:11quizzes, stories, novels, movie sets, etc., etc.,
00:06:14which nobody buys.
00:06:17This went on for 12 years.
00:06:20All the time I'm writing, writing, writing,
00:06:23and then I write this little quiz about Hemingway and Fitzgerald,
00:06:26and Esquire buys it.
00:06:28And, of course, that was the end of the marriage.
00:06:31The year is 1982.
00:06:34Outside magazine plucks me out of oblivion,
00:06:37sends me to New York to take Fran Lebowitz camping.
00:06:42Fran Lebowitz leaves Greenwich Village.
00:06:45A milestone in my life,
00:06:47but Fran Lebowitz in a tent?
00:06:51Fran's going to have this gunshot off
00:06:53before she goes to sleep for no other reason why.
00:06:56I always like to hear a gunshot before I go to sleep.
00:06:58It reminds me of home.
00:07:00I have to shoot it all night and yell and stuff so I can sleep.
00:07:04Oh, I love it.
00:07:06I absolutely adore it.
00:07:08I love it very nice.
00:07:12I got one taste of New York,
00:07:14and I thought, wow.
00:07:16And I never went back to Montana.
00:07:18That was it.
00:07:19I rented the apartment for 400 bucks a month
00:07:22on West 26th Street.
00:07:24I had no bathtub,
00:07:25no shower,
00:07:26no kitchen.
00:07:28I was as happy a being as ever existed.
00:07:34Magazines used to be written
00:07:36by very famous Hemingway Fitzgerald,
00:07:40Truman Capote,
00:07:41Joan Didion.
00:07:42Joan Didion wrote for Life magazine.
00:07:44By the way,
00:07:45does your audience know what a magazine is?
00:07:48Probably not.
00:07:50Probably not.
00:07:51This is a magazine.
00:07:53This is one of my magazines.
00:07:54Magazines are like books with big, glossy pages.
00:07:57Oh, hello, mama.
00:08:00This is good.
00:08:02Now you can just publish on Instagram,
00:08:05or you can have your own sub stack,
00:08:08and you get paid from subscribers.
00:08:11It's a new world,
00:08:12but back in the day,
00:08:16I became the sort of go-to person at Esquire
00:08:19to cover bizarre sexual gender stories.
00:08:24Dude, what a magazine.
00:08:26I went to San Francisco
00:08:27to visit the militant lesbian pornographers.
00:08:31A fabulous group, I've got to say.
00:08:35I went on the road
00:08:36and moved in with all my ex-boyfriends.
00:08:39Oh, their wives hated it.
00:08:43I was a made woman.
00:08:44Once I was in Esquire,
00:08:45then I could go on and, you know,
00:08:47write for, you know, whoever,
00:08:48because I had a big clip.
00:08:50Oh, my God, frigid women, that's mine.
00:08:52I talked to women
00:08:53who could not have orgasms with intercourse.
00:08:57Oh, surprised.
00:08:59Playboy was ahead of its time.
00:09:01I was the first female contributing editor.
00:09:04They were publishing great writers.
00:09:06They paid women writers.
00:09:08So what?
00:09:08They didn't have their clothes on.
00:09:09Big deal.
00:09:11Get past it.
00:09:12First assignment was to do a profile of William Hurt.
00:09:16And William Hurt and I went over to the park
00:09:18and made out,
00:09:19and I wrote about it.
00:09:20Jesus.
00:09:22Oh, you see this?
00:09:23I went to Dartmouth
00:09:24and moved into a fraternity.
00:09:27Oh, my God.
00:09:28When that thing ran,
00:09:30oh, well, because, you know,
00:09:32I had everything in it.
00:09:33Everything.
00:09:36I'm not a very good writer,
00:09:38but I understand I have an eccentric personality.
00:09:42If I could just get that on paper,
00:09:44that's it.
00:09:47You know, like Kitzmiller,
00:09:49Coldplay girl,
00:09:49with the idea of putting a reporter on the love train.
00:09:53They happened to mention it to me,
00:09:54and I thought I was born to do this story.
00:09:58These men in these books
00:09:59always have a lot of flash.
00:10:01There are real glitzy and brooding ways.
00:10:03Dark, but glitzy.
00:10:04That's what women want.
00:10:06I mean, tell me,
00:10:07how many men do you know with a lot of flash?
00:10:11Not very many.
00:10:15The romance book is doing exactly what James Bond did.
00:10:19He turned a woman into a sex object.
00:10:21We are turning men into sex objects.
00:10:23But in a much more tender way.
00:10:25Of course.
00:10:26I think men should be turned into sex objects.
00:10:29Don't you?
00:10:31This was gonzo journalism.
00:10:34Gonzo journalism is where you arrive at an event,
00:10:37and you swirl the events around yourself.
00:10:39You write about how you reacted to the story.
00:10:44Hi, this is Jean.
00:10:45I'm about ready to pay you the supreme compliment.
00:10:47I just got off a train for six days
00:10:49going across the country
00:10:50with women in flowered hats,
00:10:52and you are the first man I called
00:10:54when I got to New York.
00:10:56Yes.
00:10:58Buckle up and lock the door.
00:11:00Hunter Thompson is on the loose again,
00:11:02and the frenetic slap you in the face style
00:11:04he calls gonzo journalism.
00:11:06All right, let's roll.
00:11:08Hunter came to New York often,
00:11:10and we would pal around,
00:11:12go to Elaine's,
00:11:13hang out at the strip clubs,
00:11:14live sex shows, and so on.
00:11:18I surprised Hunter
00:11:20by flying to Colorado on his birthday,
00:11:23calling him and telling him
00:11:25that I was writing his biography,
00:11:27and to come and get me,
00:11:28I was at the Woody Creek Tavern.
00:11:30I have personally driven
00:11:32in his red Pontiac,
00:11:35top down.
00:11:36He's smoking a grass pipe,
00:11:39and he's just done a lot of cocaine.
00:11:42And we are going 70, 80, 90 miles an hour
00:11:45on the mountain roads,
00:11:48headlights off.
00:11:50That's Hunter.
00:11:51He lived in a state of grace,
00:11:55and I learned a lot from Hunter.
00:11:59The world was, to him,
00:12:02something to have fun with.
00:12:08The new editor-in-chief of Elle magazine
00:12:11had been reading these Esquire stories,
00:12:13and she invited me to lunch.
00:12:14She loved the tone.
00:12:16She loved the ride the wild bronco,
00:12:20go for the story, never let go,
00:12:22you know, grab that bone,
00:12:24and bury that bone,
00:12:25and dig up that bone,
00:12:26and she loved that.
00:12:28And so then she said,
00:12:30how would you like to have an advice call?
00:12:32And at that moment,
00:12:33it was like I was on the top
00:12:35of the Empire State Building,
00:12:37and I jumped,
00:12:38and I fell into a vat of honey.
00:12:41It took Zoom off.
00:12:43I was the only game in town.
00:12:45That was it.
00:12:47I've got boxes of Ask You Gene letters.
00:12:49Rich girl revolted by snot hag mother.
00:12:53I'm stuck my rut.
00:12:55Oh, that's interesting.
00:12:57Here's who I told people to give up, man.
00:13:01Huh, it's not that great.
00:13:04All my dreams were about becoming an advice columnist.
00:13:09From the age of 10,
00:13:12nightly, my father would come home from work,
00:13:15my mother, who had to meet the man at the door
00:13:18with the cocktails,
00:13:19and as they sat and discussed the day,
00:13:22I would be reading Dear Abby or Ann Landers.
00:13:27Boy, what great teachers.
00:13:29Those women could write,
00:13:31and they were witty,
00:13:32and they helped people,
00:13:33and so, you know, I drank it in.
00:13:38My answers did not come from me.
00:13:42My answers came from reading
00:13:44all those hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of letters
00:13:47of women writing how they screwed up their lives.
00:13:50So when you read that all day long,
00:13:53you take that and you compute,
00:13:54okay, that doesn't work, that doesn't work,
00:13:56and then I can give back all this knowledge
00:13:58that the readers gave to me.
00:14:00Yes, you can step second on that dream cycle
00:14:03of Destiny Dollface,
00:14:04because you know who's on next.
00:14:09Roger Ailes gave me my own TV show.
00:14:13Ascii Gene was a live, daily, one-hour frolic
00:14:18that Entertainment Weekly called
00:14:20America's Answering Machine.
00:14:24I never sugar-coated my advice,
00:14:26and ladies, it was stupendous.
00:14:31So tell me, you're married.
00:14:32Right.
00:14:33And you're out of a job right now?
00:14:35Yes, I get up in the morning
00:14:37because I have to take my son to school,
00:14:39but after I get home, I'm just very bored.
00:14:43Right.
00:14:43I think, well, if I had an education,
00:14:46if I had my college degree,
00:14:48I could be going places.
00:14:49I could be doing something that I really want to do.
00:14:52Okay.
00:14:52So you know what you're going to do
00:14:53for yourself this Christmas?
00:14:54What's that?
00:14:55Middletown's got a great community college,
00:14:57if I remember correctly.
00:14:58Yes.
00:14:58You're going to be enrolled in that thing.
00:15:00You're going to put a nice new pair
00:15:01of Christmas shoes on.
00:15:02You're going to walk over there,
00:15:04and you're going to enroll.
00:15:05You're going to go to college.
00:15:06Why not?
00:15:07What's stopping you?
00:15:08Go.
00:15:09Okay?
00:15:12If you ever want to know the pulse of America,
00:15:15just read advice columns.
00:15:16You'll see it.
00:15:17It's not necessarily in the answers.
00:15:18It's in the questions.
00:15:21In the 1990s,
00:15:22women were coming into their own,
00:15:24worried about their purpose in life.
00:15:26They talked about their careers, for God's sake.
00:15:29It was great.
00:15:29In the 80s and 70s,
00:15:30we were quiet about that
00:15:31because we were trying to, you know,
00:15:33make our way in the world.
00:15:40I think the world that is 40 and younger
00:15:44cannot conceive of what it was like
00:15:46to work and knowingly be subject
00:15:51to the predations of men.
00:15:55But we all didn't know how to think about this
00:15:58other than it happens to women.
00:16:01That's how we thought about it.
00:16:03But we told each other these stories,
00:16:05like war stories,
00:16:06that you got when you were trying to ascend.
00:16:09in your career.
00:16:11We wanted to be...
00:16:12At the table.
00:16:13Yeah, to be at the table.
00:16:14That was it.
00:16:18There's Ask Eugene.
00:16:20Downs, today is National Slut Day.
00:16:23Happy sluts everywhere
00:16:25are drinking champagne
00:16:27and unhappy sluts
00:16:29are writing to me.
00:16:31I don't like reading
00:16:33any of the advice I gave before.
00:16:35I told women to suck it up
00:16:37and just get on with it.
00:16:39You know, that's the silent generation.
00:16:41I was living my truth.
00:16:44Oh, Jesus, I hate it when women say it.
00:16:49And I'm pleased,
00:16:50our final guest, E. Jean Carroll.
00:16:52She's a contributing editor to Esquire
00:16:54and advice columnist at Elle magazine.
00:16:55The press has gone to great lengths
00:16:57to draw certain distinctions
00:16:58between Anita Hill on the one hand
00:17:00and Paula Jones on the other.
00:17:01If you look at the Anita Hill story,
00:17:03she complained about the Coke bottle,
00:17:04you know, about him making
00:17:05lewd remarks about pornographic films.
00:17:08And if she hadn't really said,
00:17:09shut up, Clarence.
00:17:11And the same thing with Paula Jones.
00:17:13She came into the room
00:17:14and he said,
00:17:15I love your curves.
00:17:17And then he put his hand on her legs.
00:17:20I think both the women are wimps.
00:17:23I think if they displayed any bravery
00:17:25or personal courage,
00:17:26they would have dealt with it on the spot
00:17:28and not have brought it into the country.
00:17:30It's not that easy.
00:17:31It's not that easy.
00:17:33Diane, if they had...
00:17:33He's a governor.
00:17:35I mean, and she's...
00:17:36She's a woman.
00:17:37She was 24 years old.
00:17:39He was putting his hands on her legs.
00:17:40I completely thought
00:17:42that the way to get to the top,
00:17:44which was, to me, was the end goal.
00:17:46You want to get up
00:17:47and you want to, you know,
00:17:48get as high as you can
00:17:49so you can earn as much money as you can
00:17:51because everything is...
00:17:53The odds are against you.
00:17:55What's this one?
00:17:56So that's where my eyes are trained.
00:17:58This is sort of sad looking at these, actually.
00:18:02It's nice to make a man happy.
00:18:05It's a...
00:18:07A bad movement to make all men happy.
00:18:13It's about a time it once was.
00:18:16I remember when I saw
00:18:18the New York Times story,
00:18:20something about Harvey Weinstein.
00:18:21I'm looking...
00:18:22And I couldn't believe it.
00:18:26Not one woman, not two,
00:18:28not three, not four.
00:18:29It was a watershed moment.
00:18:34I mean, it was breathtaking.
00:18:39The surge of Me Too rose up
00:18:41and just swallowed America.
00:18:43And what happened is
00:18:44women started to write to me
00:18:46to ask Eugene,
00:18:48should they come forward?
00:18:49How can I sit there silent?
00:18:56Whoever you are, secret listener,
00:18:58I know two things.
00:18:59You do honor to the human species
00:19:01and you possess a list.
00:19:07I'll bet yours looks something like mine.
00:19:09I recall three instances
00:19:11of being thrown to the ground.
00:19:13I was attacked by a military cadet.
00:19:15Men have had the opportunity
00:19:17to chase me.
00:19:18Molested by a camp counselor.
00:19:20Bruise me, maul me.
00:19:21Propositioned by a mob guy.
00:19:23Pricked me, prod me, thump me.
00:19:25Chased by my boss.
00:19:27This list will be called
00:19:28the most hideous men
00:19:29of my life list.
00:19:32I started to make a list
00:19:33of the not so very,
00:19:36the horrible men in my life.
00:19:38Trump went down on the list.
00:19:41I never would have written about it.
00:19:43Never, never, never.
00:19:44Until these women came forward.
00:19:46And then I thought,
00:19:47oh, okay.
00:19:49This is how,
00:19:50this is what it does.
00:19:51This is what happens.
00:19:52You don't be quiet about it.
00:19:54You don't shut up.
00:19:57There is more breaking news tonight.
00:19:59In an interview published
00:20:00in the latest edition
00:20:01of New York Magazine,
00:20:02a woman claims
00:20:03that President Trump
00:20:04assaulted her 23 years ago.
00:20:07E. Jean Carroll
00:20:07has had the kind of career
00:20:08in publishing
00:20:09that a lot of young women
00:20:10in journalism
00:20:11dream of having.
00:20:13Prolifically published
00:20:15with an absolutely singular,
00:20:17instantly identifiable
00:20:18writing style.
00:20:19People have called her
00:20:20the female Hunter S. Thompson.
00:20:23Writer and Elle magazine
00:20:24advice columnist E. Jean Carroll
00:20:25says this happened
00:20:26in a dressing room
00:20:28at the New York clothing store
00:20:28Bergdorf Goodman
00:20:29just steps away
00:20:30from Trump Tower.
00:20:31It was against my will
00:20:33and it hurt
00:20:34and it was a fight.
00:20:36Somehow I got my knee up
00:20:38and pushed him back
00:20:39and the minute he backed up
00:20:41I was out the door.
00:20:42Why didn't you call the police?
00:20:45Didn't have the guts,
00:20:46didn't want to be assaulted again
00:20:48with a lot of questions.
00:20:49Like many women
00:20:50who were attacked,
00:20:51when I had the most to say,
00:20:53I said the least.
00:20:54E. Jean Carroll,
00:20:55thank you very much
00:20:56for joining us.
00:20:57Thank you for having me on.
00:20:57I really appreciate you sharing
00:20:59this very difficult story
00:21:00with us.
00:21:01Really appreciate it.
00:21:05I went on all the shows
00:21:07and told the story
00:21:08and the one question
00:21:09they had for me
00:21:11was,
00:21:11are you going to sue him?
00:21:14I didn't have a lawyer.
00:21:15I didn't think of ever
00:21:16suing anybody.
00:21:17Okay, let's see what we got.
00:21:21Trump desperate
00:21:22to avoid E. Jean Carroll lawsuit,
00:21:25lawyers say.
00:21:26Good headline.
00:21:28I have no idea
00:21:29who this woman is.
00:21:30It's a false accusation
00:21:32and it's a disgrace.
00:21:33People have to be careful
00:21:35because they're playing
00:21:37with very dangerous territory.
00:21:41The president denied
00:21:42Carroll's allegations
00:21:44saying that E. Jean Carroll
00:21:46isn't his type.
00:21:48She's not my type.
00:21:49That is what the president
00:21:50of the United States
00:21:50has just said about the woman
00:21:51who says he sexually assaulted her,
00:21:54which is what one says
00:21:55when a friend tries to fix you up,
00:21:57not my type.
00:21:57It's not what anyone really says
00:21:59when accused of what amounts to rape.
00:22:00I meet a woman
00:22:01outside of Bergdorf Goodman.
00:22:03I took her upstairs
00:22:04to a changing booth.
00:22:06It was all made up.
00:22:07This is all political.
00:22:09When I spoke up,
00:22:11I thought he would deny it
00:22:12and then say it was consensual,
00:22:15but he just called me a liar.
00:22:17Seeing the president,
00:22:18the leader of the free rule,
00:22:19going on TV every single day
00:22:21for three days straight
00:22:22calling me a liar.
00:22:24That I couldn't take.
00:22:28My entire career
00:22:30as an advice columnist
00:22:32rested on the fact
00:22:33I could be trusted
00:22:35and not give anybody any bullshit.
00:22:38It had to be absolutely the truth.
00:22:44When the president said,
00:22:45I'm a liar,
00:22:46it shook that whole foundation.
00:22:50What is your name, please?
00:22:52My name is Jeannie Carroll.
00:22:54My name is Jeannie Carroll.
00:22:56My name is Jeannie Carroll.
00:22:58To tell the truth
00:22:59with your host, Bob Collier.
00:23:01Very well,
00:23:01let's meet our next team of challenges.
00:23:05Panel,
00:23:05these three lovely young ladies
00:23:06all claim to be Jeannie Carroll,
00:23:08Miss Cheerleader USA for 1964.
00:23:10Let's start this cross-examination
00:23:12with Marty Engel.
00:23:13Number one,
00:23:13what did you wear
00:23:14when you went to that contest
00:23:15and you beat everybody
00:23:16because you looked so terrific?
00:23:18I wore a cheerleading uniform.
00:23:22Number two,
00:23:23do you know the cheer
00:23:24that starts off
00:23:25giving the ax?
00:23:25No?
00:23:26We never use one, Mike.
00:23:27Number three,
00:23:28do you cheer
00:23:29for just football
00:23:29or for everything?
00:23:30Everything.
00:23:31Do you agree
00:23:32with that, number one?
00:23:32How did you work up a crowd?
00:23:34Not that I'm not
00:23:34just a little worked up
00:23:35sitting here,
00:23:36but I mean
00:23:37to get a crowd with you.
00:23:40How did you demonstrate that?
00:23:41I didn't demonstrate it separately.
00:23:42I worked it in with my cheers.
00:23:44Will the real Jeannie Carroll
00:23:45please stand up?
00:23:57Once upon a time,
00:23:59the Indiana University
00:24:00Athletic Department
00:24:02nominates me
00:24:03in the Miss Cheerleader USA contest
00:24:06in Cypress Gardens, Florida.
00:24:09I have done the thing
00:24:12no Indiana University football team
00:24:14has ever done.
00:24:16I have won
00:24:17a national championship.
00:24:19You were
00:24:20Miss Cheerleader USA.
00:24:23You were.
00:24:24Queen of all the cheerleaders.
00:24:26Can you imagine?
00:24:26Does that give you
00:24:27special access
00:24:28to the All-American team
00:24:29that year,
00:24:30the football team?
00:24:31It doesn't.
00:24:32I get a big scholarship.
00:24:34I meet President Johnson
00:24:35in the Rose Garden.
00:24:36Billboards,
00:24:3714 feet high,
00:24:38all over the state of Indiana.
00:24:40They featured
00:24:41your advice column
00:24:42soaring above
00:24:43a stunning crowd
00:24:44in the Indiana University
00:24:46football stadium.
00:24:47And ladies,
00:24:49I have never come down.
00:24:51Forever in mid-leaf,
00:24:52urging the crowd
00:24:53to never lose hope.
00:24:55Cheerleaders are the goddesses
00:24:57of grade school,
00:24:58high school,
00:24:58and college.
00:24:59So you wanted to be a goddess?
00:25:00And now,
00:25:00is that sort of extended
00:25:02into being a columnist,
00:25:04being a goddess
00:25:04of information?
00:25:06I was a cheerleader
00:25:07in grade school
00:25:08and high school.
00:25:10And today,
00:25:11I open an ASCII jean letter.
00:25:13And what do I do, ladies?
00:25:15I start shouting
00:25:16and yelling
00:25:17and cheering
00:25:18at the correspondent
00:25:19to pick herself up
00:25:21and go on.
00:25:23Here, let's try it.
00:25:24Let's see how high
00:25:24you can kick.
00:25:25Come on, kick, kick.
00:25:26Let's see, come on.
00:25:27Wait a second.
00:25:28You know,
00:25:28the last time I did something
00:25:29like this,
00:25:29I have to stretch my hamstring.
00:25:31Let's do a little kick, Bill.
00:25:32Come on, babe.
00:25:34Can you kick up to my head?
00:25:35Whoa!
00:25:43Carol sued the president
00:25:44after he called her
00:25:47a politically motivated liar.
00:25:51That's an extremely horrible
00:25:53thing to say
00:25:53about somebody.
00:25:54Politically.
00:25:55I, who do not have
00:25:56a political bone in my body,
00:25:58or didn't,
00:25:58now I do, of course.
00:26:00Robbie!
00:26:01Let me run and get my tea.
00:26:03Hang on.
00:26:03Hello?
00:26:04Robbie, it's so great
00:26:05to see your face.
00:26:06Thank you.
00:26:09Okay, Joshua,
00:26:10just let...
00:26:11Hi, Rachel!
00:26:12Hi, Eugene!
00:26:13Robbie Kaplan.
00:26:15This is the woman
00:26:16who won Windsor
00:26:18in front of the Supreme Court,
00:26:19which broke it open
00:26:20for all gay couples to marry.
00:26:22So she said,
00:26:23when can you meet?
00:26:24How about noon on Wednesday?
00:26:26I said, fine.
00:26:29And rode up to the top
00:26:30of the Empire State Building.
00:26:31and Joshua Matz
00:26:33laid out the case.
00:26:34And they were going
00:26:35to give me time
00:26:36to think about it.
00:26:36I said,
00:26:38hell no!
00:26:39Let's do it!
00:26:40Let's do it!
00:26:41Bring the papers!
00:26:42Let me sign it!
00:26:44At the top,
00:26:45please speak your name.
00:26:47Eugene Carroll.
00:27:02Trump's lawyers
00:27:03want this thrown
00:27:04to the DOJ.
00:27:06So it's not
00:27:06Eugene Carroll
00:27:07against Donald Trump,
00:27:08it's Eugene Carroll
00:27:08against the United States.
00:27:12The DOJ will argue
00:27:14that Donald Trump
00:27:15was acting, quote,
00:27:17within his scope
00:27:18of employment
00:27:19as president
00:27:20when he called me
00:27:22too hideous
00:27:23to rape.
00:27:28We all have a lot
00:27:29at stake here.
00:27:30This lawsuit,
00:27:31it's not just for me.
00:27:33It almost has nothing
00:27:34to do with me.
00:27:35It's for really
00:27:37women across the country.
00:27:38We have to know
00:27:39if we file a suit
00:27:40against a powerful man.
00:27:42The Department of Justice
00:27:43is not going to move in
00:27:45and take the case away.
00:27:50All right.
00:27:53This on the court
00:27:54is now a session.
00:27:55Please be seated
00:27:55and come to work.
00:27:57The court is sitting
00:27:58en banc this morning
00:27:59to hear the matter
00:28:00of Donald Trump et al
00:28:02versus E. Jean Carroll.
00:28:04Alina Habay
00:28:05represent former
00:28:06President Donald Trump
00:28:07in this matter.
00:28:09The president
00:28:09is acting within
00:28:10the scope of his employment
00:28:11when he speaks
00:28:12to the American people
00:28:13to publicly defend himself
00:28:14against a false accusation.
00:28:16So even in this court,
00:28:18he should be immune.
00:28:20Is there any situation
00:28:21in which a president
00:28:23speaking to the press
00:28:25would not be acting,
00:28:28in your view,
00:28:28within the scope
00:28:29of his employment?
00:28:30I think in this
00:28:32particular court,
00:28:33with the case law
00:28:34that has been mentioned
00:28:35by counsel,
00:28:36this was thrust upon him
00:28:37and he was responding
00:28:39to press in his job.
00:28:41My name is Joshua Matz.
00:28:42I represent plaintiff
00:28:43of Pelley E. Jean Carroll.
00:28:44I think Ms. Habay
00:28:45is mistaken
00:28:45and Mr. Trump
00:28:46was acting outside
00:28:47the scope of his employment
00:28:48in defaming Ms. Carroll
00:28:49because he did so
00:28:50for personal reasons
00:28:51rather than to further
00:28:52the interests
00:28:52of the United States.
00:28:58We're going to listen
00:28:59to the hearing.
00:29:01If the DOJ steps in
00:29:04and wins,
00:29:05my case gets dismissed.
00:29:08Well, can a president
00:29:09say anything they want
00:29:11and be protected?
00:29:12Who is he serving
00:29:13when he says something like,
00:29:14she's not my type?
00:29:15Is he serving
00:29:16the United States of America
00:29:17when he makes that statement?
00:29:19Absolutely,
00:29:20because he has to address
00:29:21the fact that this could not
00:29:22and would not have happened.
00:29:24He did not do.
00:29:25A White House job
00:29:26is not a promise
00:29:27of an unlimited prerogative
00:29:28to brutalize victims
00:29:30of prior wrongdoing
00:29:31through personally
00:29:32motivated attacks.
00:29:33That isn't the law.
00:29:34No court has ever said
00:29:35it's the law
00:29:36and we would ask this court
00:29:37not to make it the law.
00:29:39Court, stand adjourned.
00:29:48Robert.
00:29:49I can't tell you
00:29:49how he could say
00:29:50you're not his son.
00:29:53What a moment.
00:29:54What a great morning.
00:29:57The thing about Eugene
00:29:58is that, you know,
00:29:58when you're representing her,
00:30:00all we have to do
00:30:00is tell the truth.
00:30:02Yeah.
00:30:02This is a case
00:30:02where it's just so simple.
00:30:04I mean, you heard
00:30:04an argument today.
00:30:05Donald Trump's theory
00:30:06remains that he's the victim
00:30:08in this circumstance.
00:30:09Right, right, right.
00:30:10You know, and getting up
00:30:11and making it as clear as day,
00:30:12that that's just obviously wrong.
00:30:13And he was trying to protect
00:30:13legitimate victims.
00:30:15Do you hear that one?
00:30:15Particularly in cases
00:30:16about sexual assault
00:30:17where it's so much
00:30:18yuck
00:30:19always becomes involved.
00:30:20It's really important
00:30:21that the plaintiff
00:30:23be convincing
00:30:24and persuasive
00:30:25and strong.
00:30:27America.
00:30:28Oh.
00:30:28You know, we all feel
00:30:28very lucky and honored
00:30:29to represent you
00:30:30and to tell your story.
00:30:32And then we go on.
00:30:33And then we fight on.
00:30:34And then we fight on.
00:30:38Who could have guessed
00:30:40we'd chug, chug, chug
00:30:41and puff, puff, puff
00:30:42through New York
00:30:43State Supreme Court,
00:30:45Federal Court,
00:30:46United States
00:30:47Court of Appeals,
00:30:48and to federal court.
00:30:50Nobody could have guessed it.
00:30:51Nobody.
00:30:55What do I always say
00:30:56at the end of every show, honey?
00:30:58What do I always say, Don?
00:31:00Don, what do I always say?
00:31:01Faith, love.
00:31:02Good job.
00:31:03Good feeling.
00:31:04Good feeling.
00:31:06Good feeling.
00:31:07To my mother,
00:31:09I owe the richest twist
00:31:10of my so-called character,
00:31:12confidence.
00:31:13I.S.
00:31:15Betty McKinney Carroll, a hot-tempered,
00:31:18red-headed, man-rattling,
00:31:20rip-roaring Republican politician.
00:31:23That woman had the figure of Betty Grable,
00:31:26the energy of a traveling acrobat,
00:31:28and the voice of a bird of paradise
00:31:31screeching in the jungle.
00:31:33I once saw her chase
00:31:35in her high heels
00:31:36with bows,
00:31:37a large man in a car
00:31:39all the way down the street
00:31:40because he merely looked
00:31:41like he might try
00:31:42to take a parking place
00:31:43she was about to maneuver into.
00:31:46With a mother like this,
00:31:48you either grow up to be a wimp
00:31:50or a hard-nosed
00:31:51who never gives up.
00:31:53I grew up to be both.
00:31:54I avoid all confrontations,
00:31:57and I joke my way through.
00:32:04I'm glad that you could drop everything
00:32:07recreating the look
00:32:09you did in 1996
00:32:13in Ask Eugene.
00:32:14This is the look.
00:32:15This is the look.
00:32:17Lisa is the one
00:32:18who did my hair and makeup
00:32:20every morning
00:32:21day in 94, 95, 96.
00:32:24Speed ahead, 25 years.
00:32:26I sue Donald Trump.
00:32:28We go to trial.
00:32:30Who, on a jury,
00:32:32is going to believe
00:32:33that an 80-year-old woman
00:32:35is fuckable?
00:32:37Nobody.
00:32:37So, we called Lisa
00:32:39to come and create
00:32:41the exact hairstyle
00:32:43and makeup she made for me
00:32:45every day
00:32:45the year it happened.
00:32:47you would keep me
00:32:48absolutely settled.
00:32:49You don't seem to feel
00:32:51the terror
00:32:52of preparing somebody
00:32:53who's going to go up
00:32:54against the former president.
00:32:55Because I know
00:32:56you're going to win.
00:32:58You're not a liar.
00:32:59Right.
00:33:01Oh, hello, Eugene.
00:33:03Look, I'm back.
00:33:04You're back.
00:33:04There I am.
00:33:06Hello, E.
00:33:08Honey, you fell in love
00:33:09with a man, what,
00:33:10four years ago?
00:33:11Yes.
00:33:11Tell me a little about him.
00:33:13Well, from the beginning,
00:33:14he was really sweet.
00:33:15We got along really well.
00:33:17And after the first year
00:33:18of us going out,
00:33:20he began to be possessive.
00:33:22And what happened
00:33:23when you got pregnant?
00:33:24Well, it got a little bit worse,
00:33:26actually, at that point.
00:33:27He would come up
00:33:28to my job all the time,
00:33:29cause problems at work,
00:33:32calling all the time.
00:33:33Right.
00:33:33Now, those were warnings.
00:33:34Every single one of those
00:33:35is a warning sign.
00:33:36As soon as a man
00:33:37or a woman says to you,
00:33:37you can't go out
00:33:38with your friends,
00:33:39you can't go to the movie,
00:33:40you got to, you know,
00:33:41that's a big warning sign.
00:33:42Katrina, you must take steps
00:33:43so you don't live
00:33:44any more in fear.
00:33:45Do not give him the power.
00:33:47Okay.
00:33:48He's the only one
00:33:49who can make you the victim.
00:33:51If you don't let him,
00:33:52you're not, right?
00:33:53That's right.
00:33:54Thank you for coming on today.
00:33:55You're very brave.
00:33:57The Ascii gene philosophy
00:33:58is to stop cowering.
00:34:01Do not give the other person
00:34:03the power to make you the victim.
00:34:06and always press charges.
00:34:10Always.
00:34:20How you doing?
00:34:23Joe, how you feeling?
00:34:31The civil trial
00:34:32against former President Donald Trump,
00:34:34accusing him of sexual assault
00:34:35and defamation
00:34:36got underway in New York City today.
00:34:38Former Elle magazine columnist
00:34:40E. Jean Carroll
00:34:41says Trump raped her
00:34:42in the dressing room
00:34:42of a Bergdorf-Goodman department store
00:34:44nearly 30 years ago.
00:34:46Carroll was suing Trump
00:34:47for defamation
00:34:48after he called her case
00:34:49a, quote,
00:34:49complete con job.
00:34:51Said her accusation
00:34:52was a hoax and a lie.
00:34:53She's also making
00:34:54a legal claim
00:34:55of battery itself
00:34:56against Trump
00:34:56for the reported rape itself.
00:34:59Nothing compares
00:35:01and drama
00:35:02to the trial.
00:35:04The president
00:35:05issued to me
00:35:0668 questions
00:35:07that I had to answer.
00:35:08You know,
00:35:09every drug I've ever taken,
00:35:10every doctor I've ever seen,
00:35:12every time I've ever been arrested.
00:35:14Raise your right hand, please.
00:35:16Do you swear to tell the truth,
00:35:17the whole truth,
00:35:18and nothing but the truth,
00:35:19so help me God?
00:35:20I do.
00:35:21Thank you.
00:35:22Good morning, Carol.
00:35:24Thank you for being here.
00:35:25How do you do?
00:35:25I'm okay.
00:35:27My name is Alina Haba.
00:35:28I'm sure you know that.
00:35:29I represent
00:35:30former President Donald Trump.
00:35:32Have you ever been deposed?
00:35:33Never.
00:35:34Okay.
00:35:35So let's go over
00:35:36some ground rules.
00:35:37First of all,
00:35:38you're under oath.
00:35:39So that means
00:35:40you must testify truthfully
00:35:41and honestly
00:35:41and accurately
00:35:42to the best of your ability.
00:35:44Are you ready to start?
00:35:46Is that a yes?
00:35:48That's a yes.
00:35:49Giddy up.
00:35:49Okay.
00:35:50If women could see
00:35:53what kind of questions
00:35:54their fellow woman
00:35:55is asked
00:35:56when she brings charges
00:35:57of rape
00:35:58against a powerful man,
00:36:03it would stop a racehorse.
00:36:04It is really quite stunning.
00:36:07Okay.
00:36:07I am going to switch
00:36:09into the complaint.
00:36:13Do you remember
00:36:14what the temperature was outside?
00:36:16Yes.
00:36:18Clear and cool-ish.
00:36:21I was wearing a wool dress.
00:36:26and he was wearing an overcoat.
00:36:29What were you wearing
00:36:30other than that jacket,
00:36:31that dress?
00:36:32The tights,
00:36:32shoes,
00:36:36brassiere.
00:36:37I want to say to you
00:36:39and just put on the record
00:36:40that as a woman
00:36:42and although I'm an attorney,
00:36:45I'm going to ask you
00:36:46some very uncomfortable questions
00:36:47through this deposition
00:36:48and I apologize in advance,
00:36:50but how do you define sex?
00:36:52Were you wearing underwear?
00:36:54What about your handbag
00:36:55from that day?
00:36:56Did you wear a bra?
00:36:57Yes.
00:36:58Let's go through
00:36:59your education
00:37:00and your job history
00:37:01a little bit.
00:37:01What is your highest
00:37:02level of education?
00:37:03Where did you go to college?
00:37:07Indiana University.
00:37:08What was your first job?
00:37:09Approximately how much money
00:37:10were you making at that point?
00:37:11What year did they stop
00:37:12taking your article ideas?
00:37:16Are you taking any medications
00:37:17or drugs that may impact
00:37:19your ability to recall a vet?
00:37:20Zero.
00:37:21Are you aware
00:37:21of any physical
00:37:22or mental condition
00:37:23that would impact
00:37:23your ability to recall a vet?
00:37:25No.
00:37:26Have you ever had acting classes?
00:37:28No.
00:37:28Did you ever consider
00:37:30coming forward
00:37:31with your account
00:37:31prior to meeting you?
00:37:33Never.
00:37:35Why not?
00:37:36Because women
00:37:37who have been raped
00:37:39are looked at
00:37:39and this society is less.
00:37:41Every woman who admits
00:37:43to being attacked
00:37:45has to answer that question.
00:37:46Why didn't you scream?
00:37:48Why didn't you come forward
00:37:49when you did?
00:37:50Why didn't you come forward before?
00:37:52And so, no, I didn't.
00:37:56I didn't.
00:37:58From the moment E. Jean Carroll
00:37:59first sat on the witness stand
00:38:01as part of her civil battery
00:38:02and defamation lawsuit
00:38:03against Donald Trump,
00:38:05Trump's defense lawyers
00:38:06have made it clear
00:38:06that their strategy here
00:38:08is to inject doubt
00:38:09and to undermine
00:38:10E. Jean Carroll's account
00:38:11of how Trump allegedly raped her.
00:38:13Look what happens
00:38:14to women in New York
00:38:17who report a rape.
00:38:19If they've had so much
00:38:20as a sip of alcohol,
00:38:22the case will not be taken.
00:38:24If you report a rape
00:38:25and the man is actually
00:38:27brought in and questioned,
00:38:29the chances of him
00:38:30being convicted of that rape
00:38:32are .05.
00:38:35So, that's why women
00:38:37don't come forward.
00:38:38That's why we're trying
00:38:39to change it now.
00:38:40Now, this is why
00:38:41we're speaking out.
00:38:43Okay, let's go back
00:38:44to the day at Bergdorf.
00:38:47Just walk me through
00:38:48when the first time
00:38:49you noticed defendant
00:38:50on the dating question was.
00:38:53This is during the years
00:38:54I'm doing the daily
00:38:55ASCII Gene TV show.
00:38:57I'm going out
00:38:59the revolving door
00:39:00and one of New York's
00:39:02most famous men
00:39:03is coming in
00:39:04the revolving door.
00:39:05He held up his hand
00:39:07as I was coming out.
00:39:08So, I stopped
00:39:10and he came in
00:39:11and he said,
00:39:12hey, you're that
00:39:12advice lady.
00:39:14I say, hey,
00:39:16you're that real estate tycoon.
00:39:18What happened after
00:39:19he went through
00:39:20the revolving door?
00:39:22Come advise me,
00:39:23says the man.
00:39:23I got to buy a present.
00:39:25Oh.
00:39:26I say, charmed.
00:39:27For whom?
00:39:28A girl, he says.
00:39:30What did you say?
00:39:32I was delighted.
00:39:34Why were you delighted?
00:39:37I didn't advise,
00:39:38this is my duty.
00:39:40It was a New York scene
00:39:42with Donald Trump
00:39:43asking me
00:39:44to help advise him
00:39:46on getting a present.
00:39:48How old are you?
00:39:50Says the man.
00:39:51My reply is 52.
00:39:54You're so old,
00:39:56he says, laughing.
00:39:58And then what happened?
00:39:59I said, handbags.
00:40:02I said, handbags,
00:40:04that would be perfect.
00:40:06He was going to have
00:40:07no part of the handbag thing.
00:40:09So I said, hats,
00:40:10you can't go wrong
00:40:11with a hat.
00:40:12So he went to the hat.
00:40:13It's about this point,
00:40:15he looks across the store
00:40:17in the direction
00:40:18of the escalator
00:40:19and says, lingerie.
00:40:21How do you know that?
00:40:23Because he said,
00:40:23I know lingerie.
00:40:26I want people to understand
00:40:28that in the world at large,
00:40:30you were more famous
00:40:32than he was.
00:40:33You were on TV,
00:40:34you had a column,
00:40:36you were well known.
00:40:37We now know
00:40:38he just failed upwards.
00:40:42He was just a guy.
00:40:45He was not even
00:40:47an important guy.
00:40:50He recognized you
00:40:51at the store.
00:40:52You're the advice lady.
00:40:54You didn't even think
00:40:55about it though.
00:40:55You said go to the police.
00:40:57Yeah.
00:40:57It wasn't because
00:40:58it was Donald Trump.
00:40:59How did you even think of that?
00:40:59No, but that's
00:40:59the important thing.
00:41:00It wasn't about him.
00:41:02Everybody thinks,
00:41:03oh, he's the president,
00:41:04oh, he's Donald Trump.
00:41:05No, he was a man
00:41:07with a bad comb-over
00:41:09who hurt my friend.
00:41:19At that point,
00:41:20did you leave the ground floor?
00:41:22Yes.
00:41:34So what happens next?
00:41:38On the left,
00:41:39there's a counter.
00:41:44And there was nobody there.
00:41:48And on the counter
00:41:50it was a bodysuit,
00:41:52see-through,
00:41:53with a little bit
00:41:53of lace on it.
00:41:56He said,
00:41:56go put this on.
00:41:57I said,
00:41:58you put it on.
00:41:59It's your color.
00:42:00He threw it back at me
00:42:02and he said,
00:42:02go put this on.
00:42:04Tossed it back to him
00:42:05and said,
00:42:06it goes with your eyes.
00:42:08Did he catch it?
00:42:10Yeah, like this.
00:42:12This was banter.
00:42:14We're going back and forth.
00:42:16He's saying,
00:42:17put this on.
00:42:18I'm saying,
00:42:18you put it on.
00:42:19He said,
00:42:21I thought it was
00:42:29an enjoyable repartee.
00:42:32What happened next?
00:42:33He said,
00:42:34let's go put this on.
00:42:37And I started laughing
00:42:39because I'm thinking to myself,
00:42:43this is hilarious.
00:42:44I'm going to make him
00:42:45put it on over his pants.
00:42:48That's my plan.
00:42:51And then after I make him
00:42:52put it on over his pants,
00:42:53I'm going to have a story
00:42:54that I can tell
00:42:56my friends at dinner.
00:42:58Did you think
00:42:58Donald Trump would put
00:42:59the piece of lingerie
00:43:00over his pants?
00:43:01I did.
00:43:04Did he indicate that?
00:43:05He was very different.
00:43:07He was not the former
00:43:09president at the time.
00:43:10He was pretty freewheeling.
00:43:12So what happened
00:43:13after he gestured
00:43:15with his hand
00:43:15for you to go
00:43:16in the dressing room?
00:43:18It's all one action.
00:43:19I stepped into the room.
00:43:21The door was banged,
00:43:22closed.
00:43:23And he pushed me up
00:43:24against the wall
00:43:25so hard that I banged my head.
00:43:27Did it hurt?
00:43:28It jolted me.
00:43:30And then he pushed me back again.
00:43:32Now I understood
00:43:33that it was,
00:43:34this is a battle.
00:43:37And he pulled down
00:43:39my tights.
00:43:41Did you scream?
00:43:42No.
00:43:43Did you push him?
00:43:44Yes.
00:43:45Where?
00:43:48I had my purse
00:43:49in this hand
00:43:49and I tried to get
00:43:50my arms up,
00:43:51my right hand,
00:43:52and I tried to get
00:43:53my arms up
00:43:53to push him back,
00:43:55to push him back.
00:43:57The problem was
00:43:58I couldn't get my knee up
00:43:59because the pantyhose
00:44:00had been taken down.
00:44:02And then I felt
00:44:03his fingers
00:44:06rummaging around
00:44:07my vagina
00:44:10and this huge
00:44:12weight against me.
00:44:16At one point,
00:44:17I remember saying,
00:44:18it's Donald Trump.
00:44:19What the heck is going on?
00:44:21And then I felt
00:44:25his penis inside me.
00:44:29How long did that last?
00:44:33Very short time.
00:44:36Approximately how long
00:44:37do you think?
00:44:37I couldn't,
00:44:38very brief.
00:44:39It was,
00:44:40uh,
00:44:44very brief.
00:44:45Did you say anything?
00:44:48I was so shocked.
00:44:50I was laughing.
00:44:53Why were you laughing?
00:44:57trying to recapture
00:44:58the camaraderie we had
00:45:00and the sort of
00:45:00the feeling of a lark.
00:45:02We're on a lark.
00:45:03We're having an adventure.
00:45:04This is a lark.
00:45:05Trying to recapture that
00:45:06and take it out of the realm
00:45:08where he had entered.
00:45:12Trying to reduce
00:45:16any eroticism about it.
00:45:18Was it erotic?
00:45:19Not to me.
00:45:27I managed to get my knee up
00:45:29and push off
00:45:31and get him out.
00:45:35I went out the door
00:45:37and went away.
00:45:42Did you feel like
00:45:43he was trying
00:45:44to hurt your head?
00:45:45No.
00:45:46No.
00:45:50No.
00:45:50He was not
00:45:51trying to hurt me.
00:45:53He was trying
00:45:54trying to rape me.
00:46:07When I came forward
00:46:08about the president,
00:46:09then people started
00:46:10to tell me their stories.
00:46:11There are literally
00:46:12hundreds of messages
00:46:13from women, like,
00:46:14you know.
00:46:15I'm engaging right now
00:46:16on Twitter with a woman
00:46:17whose husband raped her
00:46:19repeatedly,
00:46:20tried to poison their kids.
00:46:22You know, that's scary.
00:46:23That's a scary guy.
00:46:25And then she went
00:46:26to the detectives
00:46:27two days ago
00:46:28and filed charges.
00:46:30In a way,
00:46:31it's just her telling me
00:46:32her story gave her strength.
00:46:35That is...
00:46:36That's what it's about.
00:46:41I've talked to most
00:46:42of the other Trump accusers,
00:46:43and every single person
00:46:46I've talked to
00:46:46who's accused Donald Trump
00:46:48of sexual assault
00:46:50has been threatened violently.
00:46:55many of the women
00:46:56lost jobs,
00:46:58lost family members
00:46:59over this.
00:47:00So these are all
00:47:01very brave women.
00:47:02I am, like,
00:47:02the biggest chicken
00:47:03of all of them, so.
00:47:05You lost your job.
00:47:06Oh, yeah,
00:47:07I lost my job.
00:47:1027 years
00:47:12of writing
00:47:13the Ask Eugene column,
00:47:14something I love to do.
00:47:16I get up in the morning,
00:47:16I love being
00:47:17an advice columnist.
00:47:20Loved it.
00:47:23I thought they were calling
00:47:24to invite me
00:47:24to the Christmas party.
00:47:27I'm like,
00:47:28ooh,
00:47:28I wonder what date it is,
00:47:30what am I going to wear,
00:47:31you know.
00:47:32And they said,
00:47:32E.G.,
00:47:33we won't be renewing
00:47:34your contract this year.
00:47:36And I said,
00:47:37oh, all right.
00:47:38Why?
00:47:39And she said,
00:47:40because we don't have
00:47:41the pages.
00:47:42Anybody in publishing
00:47:43knows that's, like,
00:47:44bullshit.
00:47:44A woman's magazine
00:47:46fires a woman
00:47:47for standing up
00:47:48to a powerful man,
00:47:49not, as we say
00:47:51in the fashion world,
00:47:52not a good look.
00:47:55Boom.
00:47:56Elle fired me.
00:47:59I crawled off
00:48:00the muck heap
00:48:01and began writing
00:48:02for The Atlantic.
00:48:08We drove up
00:48:10to Buffalo
00:48:10to interview
00:48:11one of the Trump accusers.
00:48:13Well, that made it,
00:48:14didn't it?
00:48:15Okay.
00:48:15I'm trying to reach
00:48:16a key corroborator.
00:48:19And I've been messaging
00:48:21her for three days.
00:48:24We're having a little bit
00:48:26of a struggle
00:48:30getting corroborators
00:48:31to go on the record.
00:48:37When you read a report
00:48:38that the woman
00:48:39who accuses the man
00:48:41has anonymous
00:48:43people's support,
00:48:44it just,
00:48:46it's weak.
00:48:47It's weak.
00:48:48It means so much
00:48:49to the believability
00:48:52of the story,
00:48:53and also,
00:48:54it is armor
00:48:55against the Trump
00:48:56administration.
00:48:58When I came forward,
00:49:00my two friends,
00:49:02who I told,
00:49:03they're both journalists.
00:49:04They knew,
00:49:05they knew the game.
00:49:07They, you know,
00:49:08they're more experienced
00:49:09in journalism than I am.
00:49:12They did not want to go
00:49:13on the record.
00:49:14They did not want to go
00:49:15on the record.
00:49:16Two experienced journalists
00:49:17because those two knew
00:49:19what was going to hit them.
00:49:24on the record.
00:49:24It's been a very emotional experience
00:49:27because from the time
00:49:28your story came out
00:49:29in New York magazine,
00:49:31you call me about
00:49:32six times a day,
00:49:33so-and-so is going to call
00:49:34you to fact-check,
00:49:35so-and-so is going to call
00:49:36you to fact-check,
00:49:36and I would say,
00:49:37I will fact-check,
00:49:38but anonymously.
00:49:40I remember convincing you
00:49:42to come with your name.
00:49:44You,
00:49:44at the end of that meal,
00:49:46you had not agreed.
00:49:47it was such
00:49:48an important decision.
00:49:50I wanted to talk
00:49:51to my family about it.
00:49:52You wanted to talk
00:49:53to your family.
00:49:53And they did not want me
00:49:54to be public.
00:49:56They did not want you
00:49:58to go on the record.
00:49:59No.
00:49:59Because of,
00:50:00you were viciously attacked.
00:50:02So,
00:50:03you went to your family,
00:50:04you discussed it,
00:50:05and what happened?
00:50:07Then I found out
00:50:08you dedicated your book
00:50:09to me.
00:50:09Oh.
00:50:11Oh.
00:50:13Yeah.
00:50:16Yeah.
00:50:20It worked.
00:50:24You're my best friend.
00:50:25We are best friends.
00:50:28How long were you friends
00:50:29with Ms. Birnbach
00:50:29prior to the attack?
00:50:31Hmm.
00:50:33We met in 90,
00:50:35or 89,
00:50:38so,
00:50:39four or five years.
00:50:40Was she your closest friend
00:50:41at the time?
00:50:42No.
00:50:43Who was your closest friend
00:50:44at the time?
00:50:45Carol was probably
00:50:47Carol Martin.
00:50:48Yeah.
00:50:52What did you do
00:50:53the day following
00:50:54the attack?
00:50:58Well,
00:50:58the next day,
00:50:59I still don't remember
00:50:59the pain in my head.
00:51:05and went to work.
00:51:07Did you tell anybody
00:51:08at work what had happened?
00:51:09Yes,
00:51:09I told Carol Martin.
00:51:11We both did our shows
00:51:12in the same studio.
00:51:13We met backstage.
00:51:14I said,
00:51:15I've got to talk to you,
00:51:16and she said,
00:51:16let's talk tonight.
00:51:17So we met
00:51:18at her house later.
00:51:21It was strange
00:51:22because I promised
00:51:23I would never
00:51:23tell anybody else.
00:51:24The first thing I do
00:51:25is see Carol Martin
00:51:26at work,
00:51:27and I had to tell her.
00:51:28And what did
00:51:29Ms. Martin say to you?
00:51:30She said,
00:51:31tell no one.
00:51:33You've got 200 lawyers.
00:51:36He'll bury you.
00:51:39The next day,
00:51:40I go to work.
00:51:41I see you.
00:51:42I felt.
00:51:44I needed a hug.
00:51:45I needed somebody
00:51:47to say,
00:51:47it'll be okay
00:51:48because Lisa's like,
00:51:49you're going to the police.
00:51:50Lisa's about business.
00:51:51She is about,
00:51:52yeah.
00:51:53But I think
00:51:53both of our responses
00:51:55were fine,
00:51:56but I just remember
00:51:57the first thing I said,
00:51:59are you okay?
00:52:00Because if you'd have
00:52:00raised your shirt up
00:52:01and you had scratches
00:52:02or something,
00:52:02that would have been
00:52:03another thing altogether.
00:52:04But you seemed like
00:52:05you were handling
00:52:06your business,
00:52:07which is what
00:52:08I knew you to do.
00:52:09But I think
00:52:10you were shamed.
00:52:13And then you testified
00:52:15in the second trial.
00:52:16I never doubted
00:52:17for a second.
00:52:18Of course,
00:52:19Carol Martin testified.
00:52:20That's what
00:52:21Carol Martin does.
00:52:22Carol Martin stands
00:52:23up for her friends.
00:52:25Carol Martin
00:52:25doesn't let down anybody.
00:52:27Of course.
00:52:28She's Carol
00:52:29fucking Martin.
00:52:33There.
00:52:37They were so mean.
00:52:39They were so mean.
00:52:40So I felt scarred,
00:52:41you know,
00:52:42from that experience
00:52:42because I've never been
00:52:45challenged that way
00:52:46sitting there.
00:52:47That's why I tell you
00:52:48and you don't accept it
00:52:50that much,
00:52:50but I don't know
00:52:51how you sat there
00:52:51four days or whatever
00:52:52it was straight on
00:52:53with that thing.
00:52:54There was some darkness
00:52:56coming in.
00:52:56There were some things
00:52:57I think we confronted
00:52:59in that courtroom.
00:53:03Listen,
00:53:04me and Lisa,
00:53:05we know our role.
00:53:06We knew that we were
00:53:06there in truth
00:53:07and we were there
00:53:08in the beginning.
00:53:10Cheers, cheers,
00:53:11top it off.
00:53:12Yes.
00:53:13Carol Martin.
00:53:14Well, I'll take it.
00:53:14Okay.
00:53:15To E. Genie.
00:53:17Whoever the fuck
00:53:18would have thought.
00:53:21I mean,
00:53:21for real,
00:53:22for real.
00:53:25You got divorced
00:53:26and then you were
00:53:27single for a while?
00:53:30Yes.
00:53:31Did you date?
00:53:33How often did you date?
00:53:35How many men did you date?
00:53:39There's such a gorgeous
00:53:40array of chaps.
00:53:42Let me think.
00:53:47In New York,
00:53:48I had a very entertaining
00:53:50social life.
00:53:53In the 60s, 70s, 80s,
00:53:55and 90s,
00:53:56the great directors
00:53:57and great musicians,
00:53:58they would go to
00:53:58Elaine's at night.
00:54:04I frequented Elaine's
00:54:05on Thursday nights.
00:54:07That was writer's night.
00:54:09One Thursday night,
00:54:11I was, as usual,
00:54:12at Elaine's.
00:54:13I was sitting
00:54:14at the regulars table
00:54:15when JJ,
00:54:16the big-time
00:54:17New York anchorman,
00:54:18comes in.
00:54:19The night.
00:54:20A different rhythm,
00:54:21a different pulse.
00:54:22He was one of the prettiest
00:54:24and most accomplished
00:54:25men in Manhattan.
00:54:26After sundown,
00:54:27there are many people
00:54:28who get it all
00:54:29and who get it on.
00:54:32He pushed back his chair
00:54:34at one end of the lanes,
00:54:36and I pushed back my chair
00:54:38at the other end of the lanes,
00:54:39and we looked at one another.
00:54:41Well, ladies,
00:54:44that was it.
00:54:45It.
00:54:51This is P2.
00:54:52It's a blown-up version.
00:54:54It was produced
00:54:54by your attorney.
00:54:56Yes.
00:54:58Thank you.
00:55:03Do you recognize yourself
00:55:04in this picture?
00:55:05Yes.
00:55:11Here in front of you,
00:55:12a black-and-white photograph
00:55:13that we've marked
00:55:14as DJT-23.
00:55:20I think that's her
00:55:21big claim to fame,
00:55:22you know,
00:55:22that she shook my hand
00:55:23to some celebrity event.
00:55:25So the answer
00:55:26to my question
00:55:27is yes,
00:55:28that after you
00:55:31made the statement,
00:55:32you became aware
00:55:33that there's a photo
00:55:34of you with Ms. Carroll
00:55:36in a receiving line,
00:55:37correct?
00:55:37At some point,
00:55:38I saw there was a photo
00:55:40on a receiving line,
00:55:41yes.
00:55:43When exactly
00:55:43was this picture taken?
00:55:46I think it was
00:55:48when I was a writer
00:55:49at Saturday Night Live.
00:55:51What year was that?
00:55:531987.
00:55:55When you said
00:55:56that Ms. Carroll
00:55:57was not your type,
00:55:58you meant
00:55:59that she was not
00:56:00your type physically,
00:56:01right?
00:56:02Uh,
00:56:04I saw her
00:56:05in a picture.
00:56:06I didn't know
00:56:07what she looked like.
00:56:08Uh,
00:56:09and I said it,
00:56:10and I say it
00:56:11with as much respect
00:56:12as I can,
00:56:13but she is not
00:56:14my type.
00:56:16Can you identify
00:56:17for me who else
00:56:18is in this picture
00:56:18with you?
00:56:19Yes,
00:56:19my ex-husband
00:56:20John Johnson,
00:56:22Ivana,
00:56:23Trump,
00:56:23and Donald Trump.
00:56:25That's,
00:56:26uh,
00:56:26I guess her husband,
00:56:27John Johnson,
00:56:29who
00:56:30was an anchor
00:56:33for ABC.
00:56:34Nice guy.
00:56:35I thought,
00:56:35I mean,
00:56:36I don't know him,
00:56:36but I thought
00:56:36he was pretty good
00:56:37at what he did.
00:56:38Um,
00:56:40I don't even know
00:56:41who the woman,
00:56:41let's see,
00:56:42I don't know
00:56:43it's Marla.
00:56:48You're saying
00:56:48Marla's in this photo?
00:56:49That's Marla,
00:56:50yeah,
00:56:51that's,
00:56:51that's my wife.
00:56:52Which woman
00:56:52are you pointing to?
00:56:54Here.
00:56:56What's that?
00:56:56The person you just
00:56:57pointed to
00:56:57was E.J. Carol.
00:56:58Who is that?
00:56:58Who is this?
00:57:00And the person,
00:57:01the woman on the right
00:57:02is your then wife,
00:57:03Ivana?
00:57:04I don't know,
00:57:04this was the picture.
00:57:05I assume that's
00:57:06John Johnson,
00:57:07is that Carol?
00:57:08Because it's very blurry.
00:57:12I take it
00:57:13the three women
00:57:13you've married
00:57:15are all your type.
00:57:16Yeah.
00:57:22So who was
00:57:23your last
00:57:25significant relationship
00:57:26that you remember?
00:57:27John Johnson.
00:57:30Who was the last man
00:57:31you gave it
00:57:32that you recall?
00:57:37I don't remember
00:57:38his name.
00:57:40That's how
00:57:41significant it was.
00:57:47Yes,
00:57:48funky listener,
00:57:49freedom is the main
00:57:50theme of my life.
00:57:52I'm a born vagabond,
00:57:54an adventurer,
00:57:55a fool,
00:57:56and somehow
00:57:57I just could
00:57:58never decide
00:57:59to experience
00:58:01lasting love.
00:58:05In New York,
00:58:06there's a taxi
00:58:07and the light is on.
00:58:09It means it's available
00:58:10and wants to meet people.
00:58:12I didn't have that.
00:58:13My light was gone.
00:58:21It's not for lack of trying.
00:58:23I wanted to meet people.
00:58:24I just...
00:58:29The music had stopped.
00:58:31Why do you think
00:58:32the music had stopped?
00:58:38Well, looking back on it,
00:58:43it may have been
00:58:44what happened
00:58:45at Bergdorf's.
00:58:56that's it.
00:59:00I've never had sex
00:59:02with anybody
00:59:03ever again.
00:59:05The music had stopped.
00:59:25A CIDADE NOVA
00:59:47A CIDADE NOVA
01:00:14A CIDADE NOVA
01:00:15A CIDADE NOVA
01:00:18A CIDADE NOVA
01:00:21A CIDADE NOVA
01:00:28A CIDADE NOVA
01:00:31A CIDADE NOVA
01:01:10A CIDADE NOVA
01:01:28A CIDADE NOVA
01:01:52A CIDADE NOVA
01:02:15A CIDADE NOVA
01:02:16A CIDADE NOVA
01:02:25A CIDADE NOVA
01:02:31A CIDADE NOVA
01:02:58A CIDADE NOVA
01:03:03A CIDADE NOVA
01:03:04A CIDADE NOVA
01:03:10A CIDADE NOVA
01:03:18A CIDADE NOVA
01:03:24A CIDADE NOVA
01:03:28CIDADE NOVA
01:03:49A CIDADE NOVA
01:03:51A CIDADE NOVA
01:03:53A CIDADE NOVA
01:04:13A CIDADE NOVA
01:04:19A CIDADE NOVA
01:04:21A CIDADE NOVA
01:04:41A CIDADE NOVA
01:04:55A CIDADE NOVA
01:04:56A CIDADE NOVA
01:04:57A CIDADE NOVA
01:04:58A CIDADE NOVA
01:05:03A CIDADE NOVA
01:05:05Foi muito diferente em dois meses.
01:05:07Você tem dois dois votos contra o presidente Donald Trump, é isso?
01:05:13Sim.
01:05:15Isso realmente tinha a toll.
01:05:17Isso realmente tinha a toll.
01:05:24Nós estávamos prepping para o segundo teste e dando testemunha.
01:05:30E o Robi, muito inteligente, disse,
01:05:35o homem que você não tem visto em 30 anos vai estará naquele dia.
01:05:39Eu só tive um total descanso.
01:05:45Eu não podia falar.
01:05:47Eu perdia meu idiota.
01:05:50Eu perdia meu idiota.
01:05:51Eu perdia meu idiota.
01:05:53E eu estou sentindo a força do meu entanto.
01:06:01O que eu não sabia que estava me respondendo.
01:06:04Eu não queria se falar de novo ou ir embora.
01:06:07Ou ir embora da sala.
01:06:17Ok, você menciona que você trabalha hard
01:06:20para puxar os memórios
01:06:22com respeito ao incidência
01:06:24com Donald Trump.
01:06:26Como você trabalha para puxar os memórios
01:06:29é um projeto de longo prazo
01:06:35é um tema de minha vida
01:06:44uma visão
01:06:46ou uma voz
01:06:47ou uma imagem
01:06:50ou uma peça de tape
01:06:53ou um flash
01:06:54um flash
01:06:56de uma foto ocorre em meu mente
01:06:59e eu vou
01:07:02bat em um
01:07:05e se ele volta
01:07:07eu tenho que
01:07:11consciente
01:07:11de que isso
01:07:13vai
01:07:13como instâncias
01:07:15você lembra quando isso aconteceu?
01:07:24é...
01:07:26é difícil de descrever
01:07:28é como uma condição
01:07:31da minha vida
01:07:33então, como você está aqui
01:07:35hoje
01:07:35você não pode descrever
01:07:37o que isso foi
01:07:38que você estava pensando
01:07:39para mim?
01:07:40Adoption de form
01:07:40você pode responder
01:07:46eu posso...
01:07:47...
01:07:48...
01:07:48...
01:07:50...
01:07:51...
01:07:51...
01:07:52...
01:07:53...
01:07:56...
01:07:57It was October 7, 2016.
01:08:03Minhas irmãs e irmãs e eu
01:08:04foram reuniados na minha mãe de morte.
01:08:08E foi uma hora muito divertida
01:08:11porque nós estávamos lembrando
01:08:13os primeiros de minha mãe.
01:08:15Ela estava gostando de assistir filmes de casa.
01:08:18Nos telefones foram fechadas,
01:08:19a TV foi fechada,
01:08:20e a AXS Hollywood tape entrou.
01:08:24Você substituiu a AXS just incase
01:08:26você está com a kissinha.
01:08:26Meu céus foi fechado com imagens
01:08:30de Donald Trump
01:08:33pressando a boca contra a minha mãe.
01:08:35Eu estou automaticamente
01:08:36atrapando a minha mãe.
01:08:37Eu só estou com a kissinha.
01:08:38É como um magnet.
01:08:40Eu não estou com a minha mãe.
01:08:43Donald Trump me empurrando.
01:08:44Eu posso fazer qualquer coisa.
01:08:48Donald Trump me rapindo
01:08:51na minha roupa.
01:08:57Eu não tenho uma resposta.
01:08:58Eu tenho uma resposta.
01:08:59Eu tenho muita resposta.
01:09:00Eu não tenho muita resposta.
01:09:26Por que é uma das melhores?
01:09:29Quando essa imagem
01:09:30vem, eu me sinto
01:09:31como um idiota.
01:09:32E eu me sinto mal.
01:09:35Porque eu não estava pensando.
01:09:37Eu perdi-se mal,
01:09:39porque eu deveria ter visto uma sign.
01:09:40Eu perdi-se mal,
01:09:42como um exemplo,
01:09:43para as mulheres.
01:09:44Eu perdi-se mal,
01:09:45porque eu fui embora
01:09:46para a minha sala.
01:09:47students que eu não estava sendo mal.
01:09:51Eu não estava bem inteligente,
01:09:53Então, eu me sentia culpabilidade.
01:09:59Eu ainda me sentia culpabilidade.
01:10:02Por que você ainda me sentia culpabilidade?
01:10:15Eu sei que eu não me sentia assim, mas eu acho que é minha culpa.
01:10:23Um minuto, você é uma daisy-fresh, smart-aleck, boisterous, bold, reckless, heedless girl
01:10:28com remarkable reserves of power.
01:10:31E 10 minutos depois, after você foi pulled into an alley,
01:10:35pushed down into a backseat,
01:10:37thrown to the ground,
01:10:39você é uma camada de paquete de female fears.
01:10:42Suzan, eu admiro você.
01:10:44Mais do que eu posso dizer para vir aqui hoje, honey.
01:10:47Eu não quero entrar no rapido porque...
01:10:49Eu não quero entrar no rapido porque...
01:10:50Eu não quero entrar no rapido hoje.
01:10:52O que eu quero ouvir é o que aconteceu com você depois?
01:10:56After o rapido...
01:10:57Actually, durante o rapido, eu disse para ele,
01:10:58por que você está fazendo isso?
01:10:59E ele disse,
01:11:00eu não tenho direito de falar sobre isso porque é tudo meu culpa.
01:11:04E você acreditou?
01:11:06Você acreditou?
01:11:07Eu acreditou?
01:11:07O que é que é que você estava sendo uma mulher,
01:11:12tão poderoso,
01:11:13tão capaz de tudo,
01:11:14por que, de repente,
01:11:16em cinco minutos de isso,
01:11:18por que você pensou que era sua culpa?
01:11:21Eu não sei.
01:11:21Eu não sei.
01:11:22Eu acho que eu poderia ter feito algo.
01:11:24Eu não sei.
01:11:25Eu não sei.
01:11:25Eu não sei.
01:11:26Então, você decidiu não se prosecute.
01:11:28Sim.
01:11:29Eu não sei.
01:11:33Eu não sei.
01:11:48Eu não sei.
01:11:50que você estava se streetindo em seu dia...
01:11:53...eso mesmo caso,
01:11:56que você está no seu dinheiro?
01:11:56Você não tem alguma coisa que é terrível,
01:12:01ou que é terrível.
01:12:05Isso não é terrível.
01:12:07Não é terrível.
01:12:08Isso não é terrível.
01:12:09Isso não é terrível.
01:12:12Isso é terrível em que você tenha erudido.
01:12:17Isso é terrível.
01:12:18Isso é terrível.
01:12:21A gente não se sentia.
01:12:26Não se sentia.
01:12:26Não se sentia.
01:12:27Não se sentia.
01:12:29E mudou.
01:12:31É como lidarmos.
01:12:34Sim, minha amada!
01:12:37Doodlebangers!
01:12:38Aqui está a Ciascine Control Room.
01:12:40Oi, Cheryl.
01:12:42Quem está você falando, Cheryl?
01:12:43Eu não sei, quem está?
01:12:44Sara runs a chiron.
01:12:46A chiron, a chiron, the words that come in under the pictures.
01:12:50Renata is in charge of the show.
01:12:52Hello.
01:12:53Oh, looky here.
01:12:55Oh, these are our guests.
01:12:57Oh, they're horrified.
01:12:58I can't hear you, Renata.
01:13:00Get into the studio, please.
01:13:02We have a show to do.
01:13:03Come on, we have people on the phone.
01:13:06Our beautiful cameraman.
01:13:08Hi, Renata.
01:13:11I'm so glad that our audience got to see you at last.
01:13:14Honey, honey.
01:13:15What?
01:13:16We have Pete on the phone.
01:13:17Oh, Pete!
01:13:17Pete!
01:13:18Honey, are you there?
01:13:20Did you ever speak to your general practitioner about the fact that you had no sex drive?
01:13:25I did have a sex drive.
01:13:28I always liked sex.
01:13:30Sex is one of the great, delicious things.
01:13:33I had shut down the pathway to meeting a partner.
01:13:46I wish perhaps I had seen a therapist, but I didn't.
01:13:53And I'm now grappling with things that may have actually have hurt me.
01:13:59And I'm getting a new view of life.
01:14:02For years, I thought of myself as an invincible old lady.
01:14:07And if I've learned anything, is I have to start admitting that I have suffered.
01:14:22But you didn't stay away from writing about it to the general public, is that correct?
01:14:28That's my form of therapy.
01:14:31I write.
01:14:57The second civil trial between Donald Trump and writer E. Jean Carroll is under the
01:15:01way.
01:15:02The former president appeared in court earlier today.
01:15:05This trial is just about damages.
01:15:08All the jury is deciding is how much more he owes E. Jean Carroll in addition to the $5
01:15:14million he's already been awarded at that first trial.
01:15:19He didn't even come to the first trial.
01:15:22Because that was only about sexual assault.
01:15:24He didn't care about that.
01:15:25But this trial was about money.
01:15:29And boy did he show up.
01:15:33Throughout the trial, Trump continued to deny Carol's allegations against him, prompting
01:15:37a wave of criticism and threats against the writer.
01:15:41Trump's attorney, Alina Habba, arguing Trump could not control what people wrote online,
01:15:46and that Carol had actually been elevated because of Trump's statement.
01:15:50Ms. Carol, do you think this trial is inadvertently helping Trump's political campaign?
01:15:56It was terrible.
01:16:00I had to stand up, walk to the witness box, turn around, hold up my hand, and swear I was
01:16:08going to tell the truth.
01:16:09And there's Donald Trump sitting 35 feet away from me.
01:16:15I was afraid I wouldn't be able to talk because that's what happened to me in prep.
01:16:20I just thought I was in deep shit.
01:16:23Deep.
01:16:25I was like this.
01:16:27It was horrible.
01:16:32And that was the moment.
01:16:35Robby Kaplan is sitting here.
01:16:37She took me by the little hand.
01:16:39And she said, good morning, Ms. Carol.
01:16:43Can you please spell your name for the jury?
01:16:48And I don't know what happened.
01:16:50I looked out.
01:16:51There he was.
01:16:53And he was exactly zero.
01:16:56He did not exist.
01:16:59One of the things that kept being hammered over and over again by Sean Crowley, the lawyer
01:17:03for E.G. Carol, who delivered that statement is that she wanted the jury to consider when
01:17:08they are thinking about punitive damages, how much will it take to make it stop?
01:17:13Because as recently as this morning, Ms. Crowley noted, Donald Trump had defamed her client
01:17:17again.
01:17:19We returned.
01:17:21We went to the court and the judge said, the jury has a verdict.
01:17:27And that's, boy, that's when you have to stand there and take it.
01:17:33It was up in the air.
01:17:35I've got Robby on this side and Sean on this side.
01:17:39Our hands are squeezing each other.
01:17:44And the four women read out the verdict.
01:17:48The big story on Action News tonight is breaking news.
01:17:51A verdict has been reached in the defamation damages trial against former President Donald Trump.
01:17:56And what we just witnessed right behind us as she left with her legal team is that she
01:18:00is elated.
01:18:01Former President ordered to pay $83.3 million in damages.
01:18:06Money, money, money, money!
01:18:08$83 million to stop Mr. Trump from getting in front of cameras from making posts on Truth
01:18:14Social as it relates to Ms. E. Jean Carroll at all.
01:18:17If he had just shut his mouth, he'd have been dealing with $5 million.
01:18:25From perspective, O.J. Simpson only had to pay $33 million for a double murder.
01:18:34This win for E. Jean Carroll marked a momentous day for victims of sexual abuse everywhere.
01:18:40Trump will, for the first time, face legal accountability for his treatment of women.
01:18:44We're fighting not really, Rachel, for me.
01:18:47It's now about fighting for all women.
01:18:50Women are fighters.
01:18:53Bad things still happen to women, yeah.
01:18:56But women are no longer damsels.
01:18:59Great.
01:19:01Wow.
01:19:02You've been on camera.
01:19:03You're a pro.
01:19:04Give me a big smile.
01:19:05Yes.
01:19:06The 10,000-year-old damsel in distress story is dead.
01:19:11It's not the 50s anymore, boys.
01:19:16Dear Ms. Carroll, thank you for standing up to Trump.
01:19:19I am your age.
01:19:21And this means a lot to our generation, which endured abuse silently.
01:19:26Congratulations on the success.
01:19:28You have gained a victory for all women.
01:19:30Please let me know if there are steps that I and others can take
01:19:34to continue your wonderful efforts.
01:19:37There's the crux.
01:19:39There is the crux.
01:19:41That is what we're facing right now.
01:19:43We have to realize that this wind has to go on.
01:19:49After the wind, it's just taken weeks and weeks to get back to my human beingness,
01:19:57which completely flew the coop.
01:19:59I don't know where my human being was.
01:20:01because I was an entity.
01:20:02I was a thing that won $83 million.
01:20:04Oh, boy.
01:20:04I don't know what that is.
01:20:06What the hell?
01:20:06You see how I live?
01:20:08I am thinking of getting a toaster.
01:20:14Oh, my God.
01:20:16Oh, boy.
01:20:24God.
01:20:27Oh, hello.
01:20:29This looks really good.
01:20:33Wow!
01:20:34Oh, my God.
01:20:35That's insane.
01:20:35We look like we're...
01:20:36Yes!
01:20:38Oh, my God.
01:20:40Look at you.
01:20:41It's awesome.
01:20:41We look like we called each other and met.
01:20:47The trial was a very big deal.
01:20:53In a dark moment, when people in America are shredding their nerves in the darkness of what's going on,
01:21:04And here comes this huge attorney called Robbie Kaplan, who stands 5'1", a giant, beats Donald Trump twice, then
01:21:16makes him pay.
01:21:17Yes.
01:21:19$83 million.
01:21:23So, how are you feeling?
01:21:25I feel fabulous.
01:21:29I feel very, very lucky.
01:21:32I'm overwhelmed every day with happiness just for being alive.
01:21:39Swear to God.
01:21:41What's your best advice for women coming forward with their stories?
01:21:46It's a very, very difficult decision to make.
01:21:49To me, it's overpowering because I'm just a woman.
01:21:53I am just an old woman.
01:21:56I...
01:21:56It's...
01:21:57This is really in honor of women everywhere.
01:22:01Amazing.
01:22:01Thank you so much.
01:22:02Thank you very much.
01:22:09What made our case so strong was the amazing, incredible, unbelievably courageous E. Jean Carroll.
01:22:15Who had the guts to face him down twice, the second time eye to eye in person.
01:22:21And tell a story that no one thought anyone would believe until we got 18 different jurors who believed it
01:22:28unanimously twice.
01:22:30If you feel it then let's go
01:22:34To a place where we belong
01:22:36We'll find the strength to carry on
01:22:40Oh, but our hearts and our minds at ease
01:22:44To have each other is the hope we need
01:22:47We're serious women.
01:22:49And a serious woman is an extremely powerful entity.
01:22:58The thing is never to despair.
01:23:00Never despair.
01:23:01We're gonna rise, rise, rise. Keep on rising, rise, rise, rise.
01:23:15The peace, rise, rise.smith,
01:23:16rise, rise, rise, rise, rise. їхι
01:23:43Dream, rise, rise, rise...
01:23:44That's where your power comes
01:23:46And remember what I always say honey
01:23:48Fate loves the fearless
01:23:51We make plans
01:23:53We follow through
01:23:54Anything we want to do
01:23:56Nothing ever gets in our way
01:24:03We got the plan
01:24:07Don't need a hand
01:24:10We don't break out
01:24:12We're in control
01:24:13And we always make our goals
01:24:15We do the work
01:24:16And we get paid
01:24:19We got the plan