00:00I need to apologize to Anthony. I'm serious. This isn't a show bit, anything like that.
00:03You tried to tell me yesterday, and I just kind of sloughed it off, and I went, no, that's...
00:07I think you got this misinterpreted or something like that. Yes.
00:10I think he tried to tell you on Monday, too.
00:12Yeah, but he probably did. He probably did. But I remember yesterday, because I sent this...
00:16I'm pretty sure you texted it on Sunday, too.
00:17There's a clip that's going around from Colin Cowherd, FS1.
00:23And I sent it to the group. John sent it to the group, and then I was like, yeah, I
00:26just saw that.
00:27And I was like, if this is true, I really got to just give up on one of them.
00:35Well, I've basically given up on Deshaun Watson as a long-term viable quarterback,
00:39and I guess I have to give up on Shador here, if this is, in fact, true.
00:46I hope it's not. I really hope it's not.
00:49Here's Colin Cowherd. This is yesterday, I believe.
00:52I believe him on his show on FS1 mentioning the A.J. Ross report that I will admit.
00:59I stuck my head in the sand. I was naive, ignorant, didn't know.
01:05I hope that there's more to the story, because if there isn't, I just...
01:09I got to officially raise the white flag. Hit it.
01:12CBS sports reporter A.J. Ross covered the Brown Saints on Sunday.
01:16That person reported that Todd Munkin, coach of the Brown, asked Shador,
01:20what do you want to go through with our opening script of the game?
01:25Shador started suggesting plays they didn't have in their playbook.
01:29What? Todd Munkin's like, okay, what do you want to do opening script?
01:33On the road, big game, 12 plays.
01:36Shador's like, I got a couple.
01:38Munkin, according to the story, said, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:40Stuff we've practiced. Stuff we have in our system.
01:44Awesome.
01:45Audio again, courtesy FS1.
01:47And you mentioned that, and I said no.
01:50I sound like the mother in Saturday night favor.
01:52He's going back to the church.
01:57I hope that's not true.
01:58That is the first time I've ever heard of something like that.
02:00Because my first thought was, well, Bernie drew it up in the dirt.
02:02And it's like, Bernie drew it up in the dirt because they saw things during the game.
02:05And then he goes like, hey, he would say like, hey, Webster, run that way.
02:12Curl it off.
02:13They would see things, and they would try it again later because Bernie had that type of memory.
02:20And you could do that.
02:24And if you're just making up plays that you want to run, I'm done.
02:29I'm done.
02:30I hope it's not true.
02:32I pray to God it's not true.
02:34I really do.
02:36I hope there was a misinterpretation there.
02:38I hope there was a miscommunication there.
02:40Well, we can find this.
02:41Owen's looking at me like I'm the biggest sap that ever lived.
02:44Well, you're listening to Colin Coward say what he heard A.J. Ross say.
02:48I'm sure we can find the A.J. Ross hit.
02:50I went back and looked.
02:51I'll go look again.
02:52But I felt like I heard her say the same thing.
02:55So this is my issue.
02:56On Sunday during the game.
02:57And she said she talked to Todd.
02:58If I can defend myself.
03:00Because honestly, that should have been a much bigger deal.
03:03That should have been a much bigger deal.
03:04I tell you what, the ones that are on the internet saying Cleveland media hates them.
03:08Why don't they see what national media said?
03:10I haven't heard a single person in Cleveland media make a big deal about this through the
03:14first two days after this football game.
03:15I didn't make a huge deal.
03:17I brought it up.
03:18Lima brought it up.
03:19And I just kind of, and you had to have looked at Owen like, well, I guess we're not going
03:22to talk about it then.
03:23I'm sure you did.
03:24And honestly, you're right to have been frustrated if I sloughed it off.
03:28And this is true.
03:29I didn't, I didn't, I didn't blow it up out of proportion because I couldn't tell, quite
03:34frankly, I couldn't tell if they were having some fun with it.
03:37Like if it wasn't all that serious.
03:40All right.
03:40I want to know.
03:41I really want to know because I remember looking up at the TV and the only thing I saw, I
03:47saw
03:48them, I didn't hear it.
03:49And the only thing I could, could make out on the internet was that he said the media took
03:56him out of context and new Orleans.
03:58He didn't mean it as a billboard, a bulletin board material out of New Orleans.
04:02The media doesn't have to take you out of context.
04:03New Orleans themselves is going to take you out of context.
04:06I believed he wasn't trying to put bulletin board material and talk trash to New Orleans.
04:11I do believe that, but it doesn't matter.
04:13They're going to take everything as a disrespect.
04:15And the Cleveland media did not even frame it that way.
04:17No, no, we didn't.
04:17That what, we were just all confused.
04:19Like, why don't you just take the softball questions?
04:21Nobody in town was like, Oh, Oh, Oh, you've woken the sleeping giant of the New Orleans
04:27Saints, but none of us did that.
04:29Mary Kay wasn't going up to Kellen Moore going, did you hear what he said about you?
04:33Oh my God.
04:34Daryl wasn't calling up Brandon Staley or the stay lie going, Oh my gosh, he doesn't
04:39respect your deep.
04:40Like that didn't happen.
04:41No.
04:42And don't give me ideas for next.
04:44I thought he was confused by, well, who the hell's a defensive coordinator that?
04:47Well, Nick Casario, John Carroll guy, I'm sure you got his number somewhere around here.
04:51So maybe you could do something.
04:52Anyway, we'll see who starts today.
04:56I hope this isn't true.
04:58Cause if this is true, then you're just not serious.
05:00This is none of this is serious.
05:01This is, you're not helping yourself.
05:04And if you can't help yourself, then I'm not, I, I, and, and honestly that you haven't
05:09been completely obliterated by defenses.
05:13It makes me even more disappointed if this is true.
05:15Again, I hope it's not true.
05:17I don't know if it's true.
05:19And you notice my tenor, if I knew it was true and I was, if I knew it was true,
05:24I'd be
05:24a lot angrier about it.
05:25If I knew it was true, I'd be a lot more demonstrative and a lot louder than what I am
05:29right now.
05:30So I'm sitting here saying this going, I hope this was misconstrued, missaid, a gag, whatever
05:37it might be.
05:38And that Colin Cowherd mistakenly took it seriously because if it is serious guys, then yeah, this,
05:48this is why it took today three to draft him.
05:50This is why the Browns themselves passed so many times earlier.
05:54This, this is why Minnesota wasn't Colin.
05:57This is why Arizona wasn't Colin.
06:00Cause if this is true, like we have Albert Breer, I know Owen's going on a wild goose
06:04chase right now.
06:05Do we have the Breer clip?
06:06Breer was asked why nobody traded or what, what interest there was in the, uh, in the
06:12trade deadline and Shador Sanders and, and Albert Breer gave a pretty, um, pretty strong
06:17answer here.
06:18I would be surprised if it was, but I view it a little bit like Tebow and Kaepernick.
06:22Not that these are all the same, the celebrity quarterback where like, if you're another team,
06:28would you want to break, would you want to introduce that into your mix?
06:32And I think this is sort of the cost of like some of the extra stuff that's gone along with
06:36having him there, right?
06:37If the guy's not even, if that guy's not even going to be your starting quarterback, like
06:41why would you introduce that into your culture?
06:44It wouldn't make much sense at all.
06:45You have to think a lot of him as a player.
06:47It's like, when you're bringing in a guy, cause you like him and it's like, okay, like
06:51developmentally, like we feel like in a year or two, maybe we could have something there.
06:54You're going to do that in the middle of the season.
06:56I mean, it almost has to be a guy that's going to fall off line and a guy who's going
06:59to blend
07:00in with the furniture more or less.
07:01Do you think Shador would just do that somewhere else?
07:03No.
07:03He's not doing it here.
07:04So I just don't know why another team would be interested in that, in that at this point,
07:10you know, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
07:12And that's, that's Albert Breer.
07:14And that's exactly the reason that Kevin O'Connell there, there's seven and two Minnesota is.
07:21Yeah.
07:22They're not inviting that.
07:23They're not inviting all this.
07:26All right.
07:27Like they, they do pay attention to outside things.
07:30They do know what Cleveland was like last year.
07:33I've said before.
07:34And I said, again, like John Harbaugh was warning people about this job.
07:39He was never coming here.
07:40I wanted him to come here badly.
07:41He was never coming here.
07:42And that was part of the reason.
07:46And I really, really, really, I'm not flying off the handle because I don't know if it's
07:50true yet.
07:51And I want to hear the context of it because I listen, I have it on the TV.
07:55I have it at low volume.
07:57I have the radio broadcast on.
07:59So I'm in my office.
08:00I listen to Nathan and I listen to Andrew and I listen to Gerard because they paint the
08:04picture that you don't always get on national television.
08:08And so I just, I didn't see anything, didn't hear anything.
08:12The only thing I saw was addressing the, the media taking him out of context over the
08:17saints.
08:17That's the only thing I really saw.
08:19And then you brought this up and I go, well, I don't know if that's true.
08:22I'm just going to move on.
08:23And I, because I didn't want it to be true because I'd be so disappointed because I know
08:30that there's talent in there.
08:32All right.
08:33If it like there, there's one guy who we had here before and he was an out and out disaster
08:38and he turned around, there were 15 guys there and he couldn't play the position in
08:41the NFL.
08:42So this guy, I do think can play the position in the NFL.
08:46And I'm thinking, why can't, why won't you help yourself?
08:49If we're just making like, if, if we're making up plays that we didn't install, that we didn't
08:55run in camp, that the guys haven't practiced, like you have a young team.
08:58That's not helping Spencer Fano.
08:59That's not helping Austin Barber or Titus, anybody that's not helping your two rookie wide
09:04receivers.
09:04That's not helping your second round, your, excuse me, your second year tight end.
09:07And that sure as hell, not helping Quinshawn Judkins.
09:11So it leads me to bad conclusions and thinking, yeah, you guys could sit here and scream and
09:18yell how you want him out of Cleveland all you want.
09:23I, I think that I see a guy that has talent, but if he's not going to be able to
09:27help himself
09:27out, I don't think he's a bad person.
09:29I don't think he's a bad young man.
09:30None of that stuff.
09:32But if you're just not going to help yourself out, then I, I got to wash my hands of the
09:36situation and we got to move forward next year.
09:38Were you surprised that Todd, um, I hope this isn't true, offered up that information
09:43to CBS?
09:45Uh, if that's true, I'd be shocked.
09:47Yes.
09:49I mean, that's the head coach of the football team saying that he offered plays that weren't,
09:53I mean, I think this is serious.
09:54I really do.
09:56And I, again, I hope that there was some miscommunication there.
09:59I hope that there's something I I'm, I'm being dead serious.
10:02Look, I'm looking into the YouTube camera.
10:04I'm, I'm as serious as a heart attack.
10:05I hope that there is like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.
10:08Like this was taken the wrong way.
10:10This, I really do.
10:12Cause it's just, it's unserious.
10:14And it bothers me going, man, you know, Mel Kuyper Jr.
10:19pounded the table.
10:20Mel Kuyper Jr.
10:21takes his reputation, whether we take him seriously or not, he takes his reputation extremely
10:25seriously.
10:26There are guys here who have backed him up over and over that take the, that take their
10:31reputation, reputations extremely seriously.
10:33I am a radio clown in so many ways, but I love this football team and I want this football
10:37team to win.
10:38And I want serious people playing for this football team that are trying to help themselves
10:42out.
10:43And what I've seen is arm talent.
10:44What I've seen is natural talent.
10:46What I've seen is a likable young man.
10:48And I think all those things can make a very nice quarterback.
10:51But if you can't help yourself, then I can't do anything and I can't advocate for you.
10:57That's in, you're not helping yourself out by suggesting plays that you haven't ran.
11:05That is not in your system because there's 10 other guys around you.
11:10And so that tells me, do you get it?
11:13You got to, you got to help out everybody else too.
11:16It's not just about you.
11:17And that's why the team can't even run the goal line play.
11:20And they had another fourth down play.
11:22They couldn't even run.
11:23Not necessarily all on Shador.
11:24Yes.
11:24But it just goes to show that he's thinking differently than what an actual NFL team thinks.
11:30Because I assumed this was all within the parameters of what they've run.
11:34I'm very serious about this.
11:36Like when you get a new quarterback in who's been in your system, what do you like?
11:40What don't you like?
11:41Let's find five plays that I know you're comfortable with or as many as we possibly can.
11:46And then we'll work our way out from there.
11:48And I thought that's what that was when you brought that up to me yesterday.
11:52Or even Monday and I poo-pooed it as well.
11:54Or just moved past it, I should say.
11:55I didn't even poo-poo it.
11:56Just kept moving on.
11:58If this is true, this is serious.
12:00And it just, it really hurts any faith I have in him being a future quarterback of this football team.
12:10And it's really disappointing because I do think I've seen some real talent.
12:14I really have seen some real talent.
12:16And it just startles me and I don't like hearing this.
12:20So I hope it's not true.
12:23But if it is, then I got to wash my hands.
12:26And we got to move forward.
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